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Question: Who is your preferred candidate to ultimately WIN the presidency?
Joe Biden - 11 (10.2%)
Michael Bloomberg - 9 (8.3%)
Cory Booker - 1 (0.9%)
Pete Buttigieg - 6 (5.6%)
Julian Castro - 1 (0.9%)
John Delaney - 1 (0.9%)
Tulsi Gabbard - 11 (10.2%)
Kirsten Gillibrand - 1 (0.9%)
Kamala Harris - 6 (5.6%)
Amy Klobuchar - 1 (0.9%)
Beto O'Rourke - 2 (1.9%)
Bernie Sanders - 31 (28.7%)
Elizabeth Warren - 7 (6.5%)
Andrew Yang - 20 (18.5%)
Total Voters: 64

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^I'm pretty sure all of that is dead on.  They even had a candiate from every identify checkbox at the end of the race.  This engaged a lot of voters who weren't initially engaged and funneled them to Biden.  My greatest, most far fetched fear is that Bernie is in on it too.  His job would be to motivate progressives into the process and ultimately endorse Biden as he endorsed Hillary. I'm a huge cynic and his reluctance to actually attack Hillary, Biden, or really any of his enemies fuels my suspicion. 
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^I'm pretty sure all of that is dead on.  They even had a candiate from every identify checkbox at the end of the race.  This engaged a lot of voters who weren't initially engaged and funneled them to Biden.  My greatest, most far fetched fear is that Bernie is in on it too.  His job would be to motivate progressives into the process and ultimately endorse Biden as he endorsed Hillary. I'm a huge cynic and his reluctance to actually attack Hillary, Biden, or really any of his enemies fuels my suspicion. 

I cant see Bernie as a part of this process, I'm not that much of a cynic. I think Bernie truly wants to see his progressive vision come to fruition, but it just probably cant happen due to the amount of opposition, among the older generation, about socialism. The older generation associates socialism with the USSR, Vietnam, etc -- they can't accept that at all.

If anyone from the progressive side of things is in on it its Warren. She hasn't stepped aside yet and it may be a deliberate attack to seperate the progressive votes into two, ensuring that Bernie is unable to rack up enough delegates.

Bernie was literally robbed of the primary in 2016, when Clinton was in bed with the DNC and had been funneling money from the DNC to her own campaign. That's something that's supposed to have happen after the nominee is chosen, not when you're in a bitter fight for the nomination. This is not what is happening now, if Biden wins (and gets the majority) he'll have won fair and square. Bernie bros are still going to be made, but still a democratic process.




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March 05, 2020, 03:05:49 PM

I may be too much of a cynic here, but I think that some of this may have been planned in advance. Pete knew that Bernie would be fighting hard for a win in the early states, as that's where you build the momentum. Pete pretty much uses ALL of his resources in the first two states, Iowa and New Hampshire. He had a great result, pretty much tying Bernie in both New Hampshire and in Iowa.Pete was essentially able to cancel out any momentum and news coverage that Bernie may have been able to count on.

This is indistinguishable from a no-conspiracy scenario: niche candidate betting the farm on the first states to gain some media coverage. Happens every time and nobody remembers them a few weeks later.

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March 05, 2020, 03:17:12 PM

I may be too much of a cynic here, but I think that some of this may have been planned in advance. Pete knew that Bernie would be fighting hard for a win in the early states, as that's where you build the momentum. Pete pretty much uses ALL of his resources in the first two states, Iowa and New Hampshire. He had a great result, pretty much tying Bernie in both New Hampshire and in Iowa.Pete was essentially able to cancel out any momentum and news coverage that Bernie may have been able to count on.

This is indistinguishable from a no-conspiracy scenario: niche candidate betting the farm on the first states to gain some media coverage. Happens every time and nobody remembers them a few weeks later.

Eh, yeah. You're right.

Just typically doesn't happen so often that that niche candidate does well in BOTH Iowa and in New Hampshire. Typically they dump all their resources into one or the other. I also think that Amy, Pete, and Biden are all one from the same. They all said that they were having a political revolution, but they're all literally just establishment dems.




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March 05, 2020, 03:51:17 PM

Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.

Her best return on investment is going to be endorsing Biden, she値l probably get a VP or high cabinet position for that.

Endorsing Bernie though would make the most sense based on her views. Biden is just more of the same, and I知 pretty sure she has said that. Bernie is calling for change, like her.

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March 05, 2020, 07:42:58 PM

I think one of my biggest questions regarding this race is: Was there a plan beforehand setup with Amy, Pete, and Biden regarding the nomination?

I may be too much of a cynic here, but I think that some of this may have been planned in advance. Pete knew that Bernie would be fighting hard for a win in the early states, as that's where you build the momentum. Pete pretty much uses ALL of his resources in the first two states, Iowa and New Hampshire. He had a great result, pretty much tying Bernie in both New Hampshire and in Iowa.Pete was essentially able to cancel out any momentum and news coverage that Bernie may have been able to count on.

Bernie did great in Nevada, yes, but this bought time for everyone else to build up resources in other states and to show the voters that Bernie wasn't going to be able to win the general. That was literally the only thing on the news for DAYS, WEEKS, ETC.

Now Biden will most likely be the nominee, am I too much of a cynic? Let me know.

I think they were always planning on endorsing whichever moderate Democrat lasted the longest.  I doubt they were planning all along for that candidate to be Biden.  In fact, I bet they considered it unlikely Biden would be that candidate after NH.

I also don't think Biden tanked Iowa, Nevada and NH intentionally.  He had significantly less money than Bernie, Pete and Bloomberg and a good performance in any of those three states would've been very beneficial financially.


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At this rate Bernie will be dropping out before next Tuesday.

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Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.


Well darn it. I was so looking forward to what quips she might belt out at the next debate. Now all we are going to get is too old men yelling at each other.  I doubt that they will even invite Tulsi, though she is still in it, right?
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Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.


Well darn it. I was so looking forward to what quips she might belt out at the next debate. Now all we are going to get is too old men yelling at each other.  I doubt that they will even invite Tulsi, though she is still in it, right?

I mean it really depends on how you define 'still in it' Yes, she still has an active campaign. But she's won like 2 delegates throughout this entire race, and it's truly unclear on why she's still has an active campaign. Unless she wants to run for the Senator from Hawaii or the Governor of Hawaii or something like that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tulsi-gabbard-still-in-2020-the-race-unclear-why-2020-3




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Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.


Well darn it. I was so looking forward to what quips she might belt out at the next debate. Now all we are going to get is too old men yelling at each other.  I doubt that they will even invite Tulsi, though she is still in it, right?

Anyone who gets disgusted at

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Can vote orange hair.
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March 05, 2020, 09:40:04 PM

At this rate Bernie will be dropping out before next Tuesday.

I'll take that as a joke.
Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.

Her best return on investment is going to be endorsing Biden, she値l probably get a VP or high cabinet position for that.

Endorsing Bernie though would make the most sense based on her views. Biden is just more of the same, and I知 pretty sure she has said that. Bernie is calling for change, like her.

I値l update this for whoever she endorses

Just the fact that she's out is good enough for me. A bigger pool of potential progressive voters is a good thing for Bernie.


I'll make a little disclosure here. I've donated in total around $580 for Bernie so far around this primary season in 2020 and 2019. And I'm working class, I'm not well off by any stretch of the imagination. In my day to day life, I've never seen anyone with a Joe Biden T-Shirt or with a Biden car sticker.

I've met people supporting Trump or people supporting Bernie. I never met anyone openly supporting Biden.

I won't stop fighting now, even if there's only a small chance of getting Bernie the presidency. Super Tuesday sucked. But we're still in the race.

Bernie kind of shoots himself in the foot by using the term "Democratic Socialist". Take all the policies he backs and remove that pointless label, and we'd probably be winning right now.
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Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.


Well darn it. I was so looking forward to what quips she might belt out at the next debate. Now all we are going to get is too old men yelling at each other.  I doubt that they will even invite Tulsi, though she is still in it, right?

Anyone who gets disgusted at

old white haired men up

on silly clown stage...

Can vote orange hair.

The problem is that it will still be two old men yelling at each other, 3 more times, after the Democrats pick their nominee. Just because one guy dyes his hair orange doesn't make the display any more appealing.  Cheesy
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March 05, 2020, 09:59:24 PM

I'll take that as a joke.

Kind of. If you look at the betting odds - nearly everyone seems to believe that Bernie is done. If he doesn't win Michigan next week he'll be done for real.

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/democratic-nominee-odds

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If anyone from the progressive side of things is in on it its Warren. She hasn't stepped aside yet and it may be a deliberate attack to seperate the progressive votes into two, ensuring that Bernie is unable to rack up enough delegates.

I believe you've on to something there.  Considering that Warren's talking points often conflict with her voting record I think she's way more establishment than she wants us and her supporters to believe.  Whether it's coincidental, or deliberate back-room dealings that put her in that position, her campaign definitely took votes away Sanders, and helped the other establishment Democrats.

Now that she has dropped out, one would think that she would absolutely support Sanders, given her (supposed) progressive agenda.  They may not agree on how we should to the policies they want, but in the end their policies are very similar.  But she hasn't supported Sanders.  And I doubt that she'll support Biden either.  If she supports Sanders her establishment power position will be threatened.  If she supports Biden she risks alienating her progressive supporters.  Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.


At this rate Bernie will be dropping out before next Tuesday.

I'm going to agree with KonstantinosM, I think you're being facetious, but in case you're not; the liberals in the western states tend to be fairly progressive.  I wouldn't count Sanders out until the results from Idaho, N. Dakota, Washington, and Arizona are in.  Arizona's primary is on the 17th, so I doubt he would consider conceding the race to Biden until then.

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I mean it really depends on how you define 'still in it' Yes, she still has an active campaign. But she's won like 2 delegates throughout this entire race, and it's truly unclear on why she's still has an active campaign. Unless she wants to run for the Senator from Hawaii or the Governor of Hawaii or something like that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tulsi-gabbard-still-in-2020-the-race-unclear-why-2020-3

At this point she seems to be intentionally trolling the Democratic establishment, which I certainly respect. She's burned a lot of bridges (eg. she'll probably be primaried for her Senate seat), so I wonder what her future plans are. It almost looks like instead of aiming for higher political office, she's aiming to get a primetime show on Fox or something.

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I mean it really depends on how you define 'still in it' Yes, she still has an active campaign. But she's won like 2 delegates throughout this entire race, and it's truly unclear on why she's still has an active campaign. Unless she wants to run for the Senator from Hawaii or the Governor of Hawaii or something like that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tulsi-gabbard-still-in-2020-the-race-unclear-why-2020-3

At this point she seems to be intentionally trolling the Democratic establishment, which I certainly respect. She's burned a lot of bridges (eg. she'll probably be primaried for her Senate seat), so I wonder what her future plans are. It almost looks like instead of aiming for higher political office, she's aiming to get a primetime show on Fox or something.


Oddly enough Gabbard probably had the best chance of stripping a large number right-of-center moderate and independent votes from Trump in the general election.  I knew early on in her bid that she would never get the support of the DNC, she's not the "toe-the-party-line" type and the Democrats hate trouble makers. 

I bet you're right that her senate seat will be challenged in the next primary, if she chooses to run.  She's too smart to remain in politics anyway, and I wouldn't complain about her making daily appearances on TV.   Kiss

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I'm going to agree with KonstantinosM, I think you're being facetious, but in case you're not; the liberals in the western states tend to be fairly progressive.  I wouldn't count Sanders out until the results from Idaho, N. Dakota, Washington, and Arizona are in.  Arizona's primary is on the 17th, so I doubt he would consider conceding the race to Biden until then.

These states are not enough to make any significant dent in Biden's advantage. Less than 200 delegates total in those 4 states. He would need to get 70%+ there just to close the current gap (give or take, depending on final California results) but Biden is likely to win other states within those two weeks.

Bernie would need to win MI, PA, NY, NJ (~700 total) to stay viable. Things are not pointing in that direction at all right now. I don't think he has much chance in other big states like FL, IL, OH, GA (~600 total).

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At this rate Bernie will be dropping out before next Tuesday.

I'll take that as a joke.
Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.

Her best return on investment is going to be endorsing Biden, she値l probably get a VP or high cabinet position for that.

Endorsing Bernie though would make the most sense based on her views. Biden is just more of the same, and I知 pretty sure she has said that. Bernie is calling for change, like her.

I値l update this for whoever she endorses

Just the fact that she's out is good enough for me. A bigger pool of potential progressive voters is a good thing for Bernie.


I'll make a little disclosure here. I've donated in total around $580 for Bernie so far around this primary season in 2020 and 2019. And I'm working class, I'm not well off by any stretch of the imagination. In my day to day life, I've never seen anyone with a Joe Biden T-Shirt or with a Biden car sticker.

I've met people supporting Trump or people supporting Bernie. I never met anyone openly supporting Biden.

I won't stop fighting now, even if there's only a small chance of getting Bernie the presidency. Super Tuesday sucked. But we're still in the race.

Bernie kind of shoots himself in the foot by using the term "Democratic Socialist". Take all the policies he backs and remove that pointless label, and we'd probably be winning right now.

Have to agree with you about the Biden nothingness. Saw a car with a Beto sticker today. None with Biden...

Yeah, even the college kids see through that one.
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At this rate Bernie will be dropping out before next Tuesday.

I'll take that as a joke.
Elizabeth Warren HAS NOW DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY. Though she has not signaled for who she will endorse at this time. Both Biden and Sanders have spoken to her.

Her best return on investment is going to be endorsing Biden, she値l probably get a VP or high cabinet position for that.

Endorsing Bernie though would make the most sense based on her views. Biden is just more of the same, and I知 pretty sure she has said that. Bernie is calling for change, like her.

I値l update this for whoever she endorses

Just the fact that she's out is good enough for me. A bigger pool of potential progressive voters is a good thing for Bernie.


I'll make a little disclosure here. I've donated in total around $580 for Bernie so far around this primary season in 2020 and 2019. And I'm working class, I'm not well off by any stretch of the imagination. In my day to day life, I've never seen anyone with a Joe Biden T-Shirt or with a Biden car sticker.

I've met people supporting Trump or people supporting Bernie. I never met anyone openly supporting Biden.

I won't stop fighting now, even if there's only a small chance of getting Bernie the presidency. Super Tuesday sucked. But we're still in the race.

Bernie kind of shoots himself in the foot by using the term "Democratic Socialist". Take all the policies he backs and remove that pointless label, and we'd probably be winning right now.

Have to agree with you about the Biden nothingness. Saw a car with a Beto sticker today. None with Biden...

Yeah, even the college kids see through that one.

This is true, I've literally never seen anyone openly supporting Biden. Though I wouldn't be surprised that there is a large set of Dem voters who are pretty quiet about who they're supporting and they decide late, maybe there is a good amount of people who want the return to normalcy. They see the return to normalcy as Biden.

But -- 538 has released their updated model now that Super Tuesday is done and everything. Has Biden as the frontrunner with an 89 percent chance of winning the majority of the delegates, next is no one winning a majority.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo




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March 08, 2020, 12:14:37 AM

Fivethirtyeight just released their post-supertuesday-forecast.  They are giving Biden an 89% chance of winning the majority.  I was guessing it would be more like 25% Bernie win 25% No Majority 50% Biden win.  





Washington and Michigan will be the two to watch this Tuesday:





The following Tuesday (4 states) Biden is a lock for Florida, way ahead in Illinois and Ohio, and is a decent favorite in Arizona.

In fact, after Washington State this Tuesday, it looks like Biden is favored in every single state and territory, with the biggest margins in NY and FL.







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