2020 Democrats

[squatz1]

....I'm not sure if TecShare understands that there is a major different between peaceful protesters and rioters. There's nothing wrong with peaceful protesters......

He understands, as apparently you do not, that Antifa has been actively providing cover and support for violent rioters, while trying to hide under a supposed "movement not organization" subterfuge.

You need to ask some basic questions, like "Where and who is the Central Command behind the recent nation wide organized protests and nation wide organized violence."

But those LEGITIMATELY aren't the majority of the protesters, plain and simple.

I'm not arguing that there are violent protesters, as there are. All of us have seen the videos of the looting happening all across America in different cities. But it's not fair to group the non violent protesters with the violent ones.

I don't think there is a central command. Are there groups that are helping to organize things? Yes. But I don't think there are tons of paid protesters and all of that jazz.

[Spendulus]

....I'm not sure if TecShare understands that there is a major different between peaceful protesters and rioters. There's nothing wrong with peaceful protesters......

He understands, as apparently you do not, that Antifa has been actively providing cover and support for violent rioters, while trying to hide under a supposed "movement not organization" subterfuge.

You need to ask some basic questions, like "Where and who is the Central Command behind the recent nation wide organized protests and nation wide organized violence."

But those LEGITIMATELY aren't the majority of the protesters, plain and simple.

I'm not arguing that there are violent protesters, as there are. All of us have seen the videos of the looting happening all across America in different cities. But it's not fair to group the non violent protesters with the violent ones.

I don't think there is a central command. Are there groups that are helping to organize things? Yes. But I don't think there are tons of paid protesters and all of that jazz.

REALLY? All that was spontaneous? First, spontaneous protests. Then, spontaneous riots. Then spontaneous firebombing and looting.

REALLY?

[squatz1]

....I'm not sure if TecShare understands that there is a major different between peaceful protesters and rioters. There's nothing wrong with peaceful protesters......

He understands, as apparently you do not, that Antifa has been actively providing cover and support for violent rioters, while trying to hide under a supposed "movement not organization" subterfuge.

You need to ask some basic questions, like "Where and who is the Central Command behind the recent nation wide organized protests and nation wide organized violence."

But those LEGITIMATELY aren't the majority of the protesters, plain and simple.

I'm not arguing that there are violent protesters, as there are. All of us have seen the videos of the looting happening all across America in different cities. But it's not fair to group the non violent protesters with the violent ones.

I don't think there is a central command. Are there groups that are helping to organize things? Yes. But I don't think there are tons of paid protesters and all of that jazz.

REALLY? All that was spontaneous? First, spontaneous protests. Then, spontaneous riots. Then spontaneous firebombing and looting.

REALLY?

Spontaneous protesting?

Well George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis by a police officer who stood on his neck with his knee for 8 mins. The video was absolutely horrid.

The protesting was and is because of this, they want reform in police departments across America. That's fair. I'm not sure on the looting and whatever though, just assuming that's just people who wanted to take advantage of this situation.

[nutildah]

According to the law. You got it all wrong. His base has been calling for ANTIFA to be labeled a terrorist organization since 2016 at least, because that is what they are. They use violence and intimidation to effect political change. That is the definition of terrorism under federal law. Stop pretending like you cunts are interested in any kind of discussion. That time has long since past and you have been riding on the pretense so long no one believes you any more. Now you see the results. Terrorists hate this one simple trick! What comes next will shock you!

Nobody even bothered to point out that Trump doesn't have any sort of ability to designate Antifa as terrorists. It was just all show, to be swallowed unquestioned by his base.

It's been fun to watch your transformation from anti-government to complete authoritarian. You are happy about the labeling of domestic citizens as terrorists so long as they are "enemies of Trump," but God forbid if a future president should place the same label on white nationalist groups, you know, ones who are actually violent and have killed people over the years. Then that would clearly be suppression of liberty and a dangerous overreach of government power.

[mayo2u]

Pretty sure a ham sandwich could beat Trump at this point. I didn't bother to hold my nose and vote for Hillary (she was a shoe-in where I lived anyway), but I can certainly do so for Biden. I think a lot of people who didn't vote for Hildog last time are of a similar mindset. We'll see. Not looking forward to the debates.

And I'm pretty sure it's going to be an easy Trump victory. You didn't bother giving reasons as to why you thought a ham sandwich would win so I'm not going to bother to reply why I think Trump expands his electoral map.

[Spendulus]

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Spontaneous protesting?

Well George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis by a police officer who stood on his neck with his knee for 8 mins. The video was absolutely horrid.

The protesting was and is because of this, they want reform in police departments across America. That's fair. I'm not sure on the looting and whatever though, just assuming that's just people who wanted to take advantage of this situation.

All "protests", looting, violence and vandalism was organized. Ever heard of "flash mob?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob

Now consider how do you, day after day, get flash mobs in 20-50 cities near simultaneously.

[PrimeNumber7]

Spontaneous protesting?

Well George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis by a police officer who stood on his neck with his knee for 8 mins. The video was absolutely horrid.

The protesting was and is because of this, they want reform in police departments across America. That's fair. I'm not sure on the looting and whatever though, just assuming that's just people who wanted to take advantage of this situation.

There was rioting going on for several days in MN when the police were ordered to stand down and not make any arrests.

Four days later, on Friday there were something like protests in 13 states, and riots broke out in exactly every city that a protest was organized in. Prior to Memorial Day, I don't believe there were any riots in the US in all of 2020, and riots are rare in the US.

The above makes me believe that whoever organized the riots had also organized the protests, probably as cover for the riots that were to follow. I think it is hard to argue the protests were anything other than planned.

Almost immediately, there was massive amounts of BLM propaganda on various social media once the riots started. There was another race incident in New York that went viral on social media the very same day that Floyd was killed. There was also what is likely BLM propaganda about Breonna Taylor circulating in the days/weeks prior to when Floyd was murdered. This may or may not be related, but a DNC PAC was/is using military technology against US citizens to counter Trump's coronavirus messaging on social media.

[Gyfts]

Amy Klobuchar's out of the VP bid and urges Biden to pick a women of color - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-biden-vice-president.html

I was hoping for Klobuchar. With how badly Trump's doing in polls, Biden's VP is going to be in charge if Trump were to lose reelection. Klobuchar was probably the least worst out of the bunch.

Guess this means Kamala Harris is all locked up? You can look into her Twitter feed and she's playing into the race war so badly. If you think Trump is divisive, I have no doubts Kamala Harris will be worse in regards to race baiting and attempting to push the narrative that everyone's an evil racist. Have no doubt that Trump will air advertisements of Kamala Harris beating Joe Biden with a stick on school busing.


Harris reminds me of Hillary Clinton. She's extremely inauthentic and her record is not going to sit well with the far left.

[TwitchySeal]

Amy Klobuchar's out of the VP bid and urges Biden to pick a women of color - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-biden-vice-president.html

I was hoping for Klobuchar. With how badly Trump's doing in polls, Biden's VP is going to be in charge if Trump were to lose reelection. Klobuchar was probably the least worst out of the bunch.

Guess this means Kamala Harris is all locked up? You can look into her Twitter feed and she's playing into the race war so badly. If you think Trump is divisive, I have no doubts Kamala Harris will be worse in regards to race baiting and attempting to push the narrative that everyone's an evil racist. Have no doubt that Trump will air advertisements of Kamala Harris beating Joe Biden with a stick on school busing.


Harris reminds me of Hillary Clinton. She's extremely inauthentic and her record is not going to sit well with the far left.

Klobuchar was who I was hoping for also.

Val Demmings seems to have a real shot now.  Black, Female, 27 years as a cop, worked her way up to Police Chief in Orlando and then Congress.  She was on the House team during Trumps Senate trial, seemed competent.
 Kind of the perfect storm for her right now politically though.

[PrimeNumber7]

Amy Klobuchar's out of the VP bid and urges Biden to pick a women of color - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-biden-vice-president.html

I was hoping for Klobuchar. With how badly Trump's doing in polls, Biden's VP is going to be in charge if Trump were to lose reelection. Klobuchar was probably the least worst out of the bunch.

Klobuchar was out not long after Floyd was killed. Specifically when it was revealed that she declined to prosecute the dirty cop who killed Floyd. If she has been previously selected, she probably would have been replaced.

I think it is pretty disgusting to be saying she is dropping out for identity politics.

[Gyfts]

Klobuchar was out not long after Floyd was killed. Specifically when it was revealed that she declined to prosecute the dirty cop who killed Floyd. If she has been previously selected, she probably would have been replaced.

Klobuchar took the approach of letting a grand jury decide charges levied on officers instead of choosing to prosecute for all of controversial police misconduct. I don't think she was unreasonable in doing this. Probably easier to take the blame off her shoulders and shift it on a grand jury instead of looking like the politician who couldn't successfully convict a cop that is viewed as bad to the public, regardless of whether that cop's actions were legal or not.

I think it is pretty disgusting to be saying she is dropping out for identity politics.

I agree but she isn't necessarily dropping out strictly due to identity politics, although it does play role. Maybe because of her record on police prosecution she knew it was best for her to step down. With the recent shit show in Minneapolis, Biden's campaign probably felt pressure to pick a black VP. Klobuchar knows this and is just showing solidarity by suggesting Biden nominate a PoC when she knows he's going to do so regardless.

Klobuchar was who I was hoping for also.

Val Demmings seems to have a real shot now.  Black, Female, 27 years as a cop, worked her way up to Police Chief in Orlando and then Congress.  She was on the House team during Trumps Senate trial, seemed competent.
 Kind of the perfect storm for her right now politically though.

Never heard of Vel Demmings honestly. She seems okay, but name recognition might be an issue.

[PrimeNumber7]

Klobuchar was out not long after Floyd was killed. Specifically when it was revealed that she declined to prosecute the dirty cop who killed Floyd. If she has been previously selected, she probably would have been replaced.

Klobuchar took the approach of letting a grand jury decide charges levied on officers instead of choosing to prosecute for all of controversial police misconduct. I don't think she was unreasonable in doing this. Probably easier to take the blame off her shoulders and shift it on a grand jury instead of looking like the politician who couldn't successfully convict a cop that is viewed as bad to the public, regardless of whether that cop's actions were legal or not.

It is the prosecutor who brings cases before grand juries. It is also very easy to get a grand jury to hand down an indictment.

Even ignoring the above, her fingerprints being on the case are damaging to her politically. This is especially true for the base of the voters on the left.

[Gyfts]

Klobuchar was out not long after Floyd was killed. Specifically when it was revealed that she declined to prosecute the dirty cop who killed Floyd. If she has been previously selected, she probably would have been replaced.

Klobuchar took the approach of letting a grand jury decide charges levied on officers instead of choosing to prosecute for all of controversial police misconduct. I don't think she was unreasonable in doing this. Probably easier to take the blame off her shoulders and shift it on a grand jury instead of looking like the politician who couldn't successfully convict a cop that is viewed as bad to the public, regardless of whether that cop's actions were legal or not.

It is the prosecutor who brings cases before grand juries. It is also very easy to get a grand jury to hand down an indictment.

Even ignoring the above, her fingerprints being on the case are damaging to her politically. This is especially true for the base of the voters on the left.

Not always, bringing a case to a grand jury usually tends to favor police because evidence is presented outside of public view and exculpatory evidence is legally required. A prosecutor is involved in the process, but again it's not very public.

I'm not sure if a DA decides whether to present evidence to a grand jury or elect for a trial though, so I might be wrong to say Klobuchar did so to avoid scrutiny if it wasn't her choice in the first place.

[Spendulus]

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Even ignoring the above, her fingerprints being on the case are damaging to her politically. This is especially true for the base of the voters on the left.

That's only true until the revision of her history by her puppet masters.

This is no different than the Biden choice.

[TwitchySeal]

Definitely not time to celebrate, but Biden is currently looking very strong in the swing state polls.  I think we're going to see Biden keep the ball on the ground and Trump taking more and more risks as we get closer to the end of the summer. He needs something to change.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-new-polling-averages-show-biden-leads-trump-by-9-points-nationally/

[Mauser]

It's quite surprising to see Bernie Sanders as the favourite in this forum. I believe the Democrats have a good chance of winning this year, but it will be a hard fight and pretty close in the end. Let's see how a possible second wave of corona will affect the election campaigns this year.

It would have much easier for the Democrats if they picked another candidate than Joe Biden.

Is anyone actually betting on the next president?

[Spendulus]

It's quite surprising to see Bernie Sanders as the favourite in this forum. I believe the Democrats have a good chance of winning this year, but it will be a hard fight and pretty close in the end. Let's see how a possible second wave of corona will affect the election campaigns this year.

It would have much easier for the Democrats if they picked another candidate than Joe Biden.....

Regardless of who they pick, the media will certainly make it look, up to the moment Trump is sworn in for term 2, as if it was an exciting drama and race to the finish.

That's to get you to watch their theatrical presentation of false news, it has nothing to do with reality.

In the real world, Joe Biden is the worse loser of a presidential candidate EVER.

Have fun!

[TECSHARE]

"Why Are Black Conservatives Called Uncle Tom?—Larry Elder Talks George Floyd Protests & New Film"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbhFubiFiqg

[Spendulus]

"Why Are Black Conservatives Called Uncle Tom?—Larry Elder Talks George Floyd Protests & New Film"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbhFubiFiqg

Reality is reversed, of course. Wikipedia -

Uncle Tom is the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel, Uncle Tom's Cabin.[1] The character was seen by many readers as ground-breaking humanistic portrayal of an African-American slave, one who uses non-resistance and gives his life to protect others who have escaped from slavery. However, the character also came to be seen – especially based on his portrayal in pro-slavery dramatizations – as inappropriately subservient to white slaveholders. This led to the use of Uncle Tom – often shortened to just Tom – as a derogatory epithet for an exceedingly subservient person or house negro, particularly one aware of their own lower-class racial status.

It is the blacks who tow-tow to the Democratic machine who should be so classified.

[TwitchySeal]

Not that it wasn't already obvious but:

"Prosecutor says he was pressured to cut Roger Stone 'a break' because of his ties to Trump"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/prosecutor-says-he-was-pressured-to-cut-roger-stone-a-break-because-of-his-ties-to-trump-336075



Here's Zelinskys written opening statement for his testimony tomorrow:
https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/zelinsky_opening_statement_hjc.pdf?utm_campaign=4024-519