2020 Democrats

[suchmoon]

No, I'd like a vote on REMOVING THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW.

Except there isn't. So you'd have to put the statue up first, then you can vote to remove it. That'll show them libtards.

[Spendulus]

No, I'd like a vote on REMOVING THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW.

Except there isn't. So you'd have to put the statue up first, then you can vote to remove it. That'll show them libtards.

No need to do that. Because the libtards thought they'd be clever and put one up that was slightly different. But we saw through it.

Located in Central Park, “El Che” is a sculpture by artist Christian Jankowski. Apparently, it’s not supposed to depict Che himself, but rather a Che impersonator who idolized the actual guy (what?). We’re dealing with people who defaced an Abraham Lincoln statue when going after confederates, so one would think a statue of a person who looks exactly like Che Guevara that says “Viva La Re-Evolucion,” might be a target of people who actually cared about injustice.

https://www.redstate.com/ameliahamilton/2017/08/28/if-you-must-destroy-statues-consider-these-four/

So what do you say? You have a problem with this Che statue in NY coming down? I hope not.

But it'd be kind of fun to listen to the libtards whine, bitch and moan about how they'd like to keep their statutes of their heroes.

[suchmoon]

So what do you say? You have a problem with this Che statue in NY coming down? I hope not.

Again, I can't really have a problem with something that doesn't exist. The statue that you're talking about was located next to CP on 5th Ave for a brief period in 2008 or 2009.

[TwitchySeal]

No, I'd like a vote on REMOVING THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW.

Except there isn't. So you'd have to put the statue up first, then you can vote to remove it. That'll show them libtards.

No need to do that. Because the libtards thought they'd be clever and put one up that was slightly different. But we saw through it.

Located in Central Park, “El Che” is a sculpture by artist Christian Jankowski. Apparently, it’s not supposed to depict Che himself, but rather a Che impersonator who idolized the actual guy (what?). We’re dealing with people who defaced an Abraham Lincoln statue when going after confederates, so one would think a statue of a person who looks exactly like Che Guevara that says “Viva La Re-Evolucion,” might be a target of people who actually cared about injustice.

https://www.redstate.com/ameliahamilton/2017/08/28/if-you-must-destroy-statues-consider-these-four/

So what do you say? You have a problem with this Che statue in NY coming down? I hope not.

But it'd be kind of fun to listen to the libtards whine, bitch and moan about how they'd like to keep their statutes of their heroes.

I'd be totally fine with removing a Che monument if there were one.  

But the statue you're talking about was part of 6 month Public Art installation nearly 12 years ago.  It was never intended to be permanent. You gotta be more careful with these right wing click-bait sites.  


Living Sculptures: Caesar, Dali Woman, El Che
On View
Nov 24, 2008 - Apr 30, 2009
Doris C. Freedman Plaza

New Yorkers and tourists alike are accustomed to seeing the occasional street performer, entertaining crowds with dance, magic or impersonation. When visitors encounter Christian Jankowski’s Living Sculptures, they may at first think they are seeing three street performers, surprisingly motionless and grouped together. In actuality, the figures are bronze sculptures that reference professional street performers who pose as historical or fantastical characters for passersby. Specifically these works draw inspiration from three street performers Jankowski (b.1968, Plzen, Czech Republic) observed and selected from a public thoroughfare in Barcelona: a man who presents himself as the likeness of a Roman legionnaire, and who refers to himself as “Caesar;” a man who poses as the revolutionary leader Che Guevara; and a woman inspired by “The Anthropomorphic Cabinet Woman,” an enigmatic figure created by artist Salvador Dali.

Jankowski’s sculptures are, in essence, statues of people performing as statues. Representing modern day figures, both real and imagined, they are exceptionally life-like, though solid bronze in their composition. Their human scale and figurative representation beckon viewers to come close, consider whether they are real people, pose next to them for photos, and perhaps even leave a few coins in appreciation. The installation of Living Sculptures at the entrance to Central Park is especially fitting given that it is a favored spot for public sculptures as well as some of New York City’s actual street performers, including a frequent impersonator of the Statue of Liberty.

In these works Jankowski fuses the tradition of monuments with popular references: Che Guevara’s image circulates as a symbol of politics as much as of counterculture. This representation of someone impersonating “el Che” demonstrates a further remaking and another interpretation of this icon. Dali’s “Cabinet Woman” similarly exemplifies the extent to which Dali’s imagery has entered into popular consciousness, inspiring numerous adaptations. For “Caesar,” the modern-day wearer has modified the ancient costume of sandals and sword. Jankowski conflates actual historical sources with the street performers’ interpretations, fusing and memorializing the two in sculptures that call our attention to the way figures are personified in art and popular culture.

https://www.publicartfund.org/exhibitions/view/living-sculptures-caesar-dali-woman-el-che/#section_2

I won't make the argument that everyone tearing down statues represents all the millions of protesters because it just isn't true. I haven't seen many others make that argument either but I also haven't looked hard enough. Regardless, it's a disingenuous point to lump in these mobs and protesters. But we know why this is becoming a partisan issue and it's because Trump chose to give a stance on it therefore people feel the need to do a 180 on his position to spite him.

Trump is is lumping the protesters with all the violence, looting and vandalism and also most democrats, and anyone that he doesn't like at the moment - and there are plenty of media and political leaders taking his lead, pushing the "Democrats want to destroy our Country, we must unite to defeat this evil".  All this is doing is getting everyone on both sides even more fired up, the right think that there's an Antifa Army on their way to steal their country, while the left is being taunted by the POTUS - it's like we're going through the 5 minutes before kickoff at a football game where they hype up the crowd and Trump is the guy saying "LETS MAKE SOME NOISE ARE YOU READYYYY"

A few examples:

“Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities, They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive. Make no mistake, this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American revolution.”

“Make no mistake: This is being done deliberately to discredit America’s founding principles by discrediting the individuals who formed them,”

"We will not be terrorized, we will not be demeaned, and we will not be intimidated by bad, evil people, It will not happen.”

“They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive, but no, the American people are strong and proud, and they will not allow our country and all of its values, history and culture to be taken from them.”

Trumps 4th of July (eve) Speech ^^^

Then there was this tweet that he retweeted at least 10 times in the 24 hours before his Tulsa rally.




I feel like focusing on literal statues is pretty anti-productive at this point, right now we've got bigger issues as a nation and besides, Trump ranting about statues is obviously only going to encourage people to tear down more statues.

[Spendulus]

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Trump is is lumping the protesters with all the violence, looting and vandalism and also most democrats, and anyone that he doesn't like at the moment - and there are plenty of media and political leaders taking his lead, pushing the "Democrats want to destroy our Country, we must unite to defeat this evil".  All this is doing is getting everyone on both sides even more fired up, the right think that there's an Antifa Army on their way to steal their country, while the left is being taunted by the POTUS - it's like we're going through the 5 minutes before kickoff at a football game where they hype up the crowd and Trump is the guy saying "LETS MAKE SOME NOISE ARE YOU READYYYY"

A few examples:

“Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities, They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive. Make no mistake, this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American revolution.”

“Make no mistake: This is being done deliberately to discredit America’s founding principles by discrediting the individuals who formed them,”

"We will not be terrorized, we will not be demeaned, and we will not be intimidated by bad, evil people, It will not happen.”

“They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive, but no, the American people are strong and proud, and they will not allow our country and all of its values, history and culture to be taken from them.”

...

When the Democratic mayors condone the violence, and force the police to stand down, then the media focus on nothing else, isn't his attitude justified?

Sure, the Democratic Party has been hijacked. I've been saying that for years. But don't criticize Trump about it.

[TECSHARE]

Trump is is lumping the protesters with all the violence, looting and vandalism and also most democrats, and anyone that he doesn't like at the moment - and there are plenty of media and political leaders taking his lead, pushing the "Democrats want to destroy our Country, we must unite to defeat this evil".  All this is doing is getting everyone on both sides even more fired up, the right think that there's an Antifa Army on their way to steal their country, while the left is being taunted by the POTUS - it's like we're going through the 5 minutes before kickoff at a football game where they hype up the crowd and Trump is the guy saying "LETS MAKE SOME NOISE ARE YOU READYYYY"

A few examples:

“Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities, They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive. Make no mistake, this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American revolution.”

“Make no mistake: This is being done deliberately to discredit America’s founding principles by discrediting the individuals who formed them,”

"We will not be terrorized, we will not be demeaned, and we will not be intimidated by bad, evil people, It will not happen.”

“They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive, but no, the American people are strong and proud, and they will not allow our country and all of its values, history and culture to be taken from them.”

Trumps 4th of July (eve) Speech ^^^

Then there was this tweet that he retweeted at least 10 times in the 24 hours before his Tulsa rally.

[img  width=500]https://i.gyazo.com/703b545c10ce5152f46c076c9bf40b08.png[/img]


I feel like focusing on literal statues is pretty anti-productive at this point, right now we've got bigger issues as a nation and besides, Trump ranting about statues is obviously only going to encourage people to tear down more statues.

That is because the "protestors" are actually violent and destructive, and yes, they do in fact want to destroy the nation. Many of them literally come out and say it. Even if they didn't, if you have even the slightest knowledge of history, the pattern being exhibited is very clear. This is a Maoist type cultural revolution. They are attempting to purge the old ways and enforce the new political religion by force.

The left have been completely duplicitous for so long no one believes your flimsy pretenses any more. You won't be allowed to continue along this path. Trump winning in 2016 was a referendum on the failures of the left, and unable to accept that the nation rejected your dogmas, you have done nothing but spread violence, chaos, and discord since then. History will remember you as being the frothing lunatics that tried to burn this nation down, just like the Maoists, The Bolsheviks, or the Nazis. This nation refuses to share in your collective insanity.

No way he wrote that on his own. If you compare it to his tweets or off-the-cuff speaking, well, there's no comparison.

I particularly like the last line of the speech: "The best is yet to come."

How could things possibly get any better?? I'm sick of winning as it is.

Every president has speech writers, what is your point? Who gives a fuck what you think? You don't even live here. I don't try to tell Filipinos how to rule their country, how about you fuck off to the little island you ran away to and let the people who actually have to deal with the consequences of these choices make them.

[TECSHARE]

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... So cranky!  
I think you need a time out, mister.

I'm still an American. My passport says so, and I wouldn't change it for any other in the world. I'm not going so far as to request an absentee ballot though. That might result in voter fraud.  

You are nothing but a little bitch spectator who left the game but still wants a say in how its played. That way if it goes bad you don't pay any price, if it goes well you can suddenly be reinvigorated with patriotism and return home. Fuck you. Stay there, we don't want you. The only way Democrats will win in November is fraud, which is why they are so desperate to open up as many avenues for fraud as possible.

[TwitchySeal]

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... So cranky!  
I think you need a time out, mister.

I'm still an American. My passport says so, and I wouldn't change it for any other in the world. I'm not going so far as to request an absentee ballot though. That might result in voter fraud.  

You are nothing but a little bitch spectator who left the game but still wants a say in how its played. That way if it goes bad you don't pay any price, if it goes well you can suddenly be reinvigorated with patriotism and return home. Fuck you. Stay there, we don't want you. The only way Democrats will win in November is fraud, which is why they are so desperate to open up as many avenues for fraud as possible.

You seem more emotional today than normal.  Is everything ok?

Biden is a clear favorite right now, but there's a long way to go - it wouldn't surprise me at all if things swing back in Trumps favor when the next crazy thing happens.

[squatz1]

Every president has speech writers, what is your point? Who gives a fuck what you think? You don't even live here. I don't try to tell Filipinos how to rule their country, how about you fuck off to the little island you ran away to and let the people who actually have to deal with the consequences of these choices make them.

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... So cranky!  
I think you need a time out, mister.

I'm still an American. My passport says so, and I wouldn't change it for any other in the world. I'm not going so far as to request an absentee ballot though. That might result in voter fraud.  

Not sure why we're going after people who just want to comment on American politics. Doesn't matter who they are.

Every so often I (and I think many on here, and in general) comment on other peoples politics and what is going on. I'm typically not dismissed just because I'm an American.

Do some non Americans not fully understand the issues here? Yes.

Do some non Americans understand the issues we're facing better then some Americans? Yes.

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... So cranky!  
I think you need a time out, mister.

I'm still an American. My passport says so, and I wouldn't change it for any other in the world. I'm not going so far as to request an absentee ballot though. That might result in voter fraud.  

You are nothing but a little bitch spectator who left the game but still wants a say in how its played. That way if it goes bad you don't pay any price, if it goes well you can suddenly be reinvigorated with patriotism and return home. Fuck you. Stay there, we don't want you. The only way Democrats will win in November is fraud, which is why they are so desperate to open up as many avenues for fraud as possible.

You seem more emotional today than normal.  Is everything ok?

Biden is a clear favorite right now, but there's a long way to go - it wouldn't surprise me at all if things swing back in Trumps favor when the next crazy thing happens.

Totally agree with that, November is a LONG time away. Anything can happen.

[TECSHARE]

You seem more emotional today than normal.  Is everything ok?

Biden is a clear favorite right now, but there's a long way to go - it wouldn't surprise me at all if things swing back in Trumps favor when the next crazy thing happens.

Oh no, please don't make lame attempts at gaslighting me! I have never dealt with that and wouldn't know how to respond! Biden isn't a clear favorite, you are just told he is, just like you were told Killary was a clear favorite.

[suchmoon]

wouldn't know how to respond

Indeed. Inventing a parallel universe where anything you don't like is "fraud" doesn't seem like a rational response.

But if you want to stick to your make-believe and put money on Trump you'd do quite well:

https://bookies.com/news/presidential-election-odds-daily-tracker


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

[Spendulus]

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I particularly like the last line of the speech: "The best is yet to come."

How could things possibly get any better?? I'm sick of winning as it is.

The wall could be completed?

The economy could start zooming again?

Non-violent drug offenders could be pardoned and released early as the prisons fill up with rioter destroyer haters?

Let us count the ways...

[suchmoon]

The wall could be completed?

Has Mexico paid the invoice yet? What if they don't pay by 2024 - should we amend the constitution to allow Trump to get one more term so that he could keep trying?

[Spendulus]

The wall could be completed?

Has Mexico paid the invoice yet? What if they don't pay by 2024 - should we amend the constitution to allow Trump to get one more term so that he could keep trying?

Absolutely! We can't let them get away with that!

[Spendulus]

Located in Central Park, “El Che” is a sculpture by artist Christian Jankowski. Apparently, it’s not supposed to depict Che himself, but rather a Che impersonator who idolized the actual guy (what?). We’re dealing with people who defaced an Abraham Lincoln statue when going after confederates, so one would think a statue of a person who looks exactly like Che Guevara that says “Viva La Re-Evolucion,” might be a target of people who actually cared about injustice.....

Twitch you've actually redefined Libtard there...

[TwitchySeal]

Located in Central Park, “El Che” is a sculpture by artist Christian Jankowski. Apparently, it’s not supposed to depict Che himself, but rather a Che impersonator who idolized the actual guy (what?). We’re dealing with people who defaced an Abraham Lincoln statue when going after confederates, so one would think a statue of a person who looks exactly like Che Guevara that says “Viva La Re-Evolucion,” might be a target of people who actually cared about injustice.....

Twitch you've actually redefined Libtard there...

When quoting a quote you should include both quote tags and, if available, the source.  Like this:

Located in Central Park, ?El Che? is a sculpture by artist Christian Jankowski. Apparently, it?s not supposed to depict Che himself, but rather a Che impersonator who idolized the actual guy (what?). We?re dealing with people who defaced an Abraham Lincoln statue when going after confederates, so one would think a statue of a person who looks exactly like Che Guevara that says ?Viva La Re-Evolucion,? might be a target of people who actually cared about injustice.....

https://www.publicartfund.org/exhibitions/view/living-sculptures-caesar-dali-woman-el-che/#section_2

[suchmoon]

Twitch you've actually redefined Libtard there...

Oh FFS, just admit it already. You wanted a Congress vote on removing a statue that doesn't exist. That's the peril of reading conspiratard websites.

[Spendulus]

Twitch you've actually redefined Libtard there...

Oh FFS, just admit it already. You wanted a Congress vote on removing a statue that doesn't exist. That's the peril of reading conspiratard websites.

Okay okay wishful thinking on my part.

At least I'm not asking for a Congressional vote to roll the oceans and the tides back.

[squatz1]

wouldn't know how to respond

Indeed. Inventing a parallel universe where anything you don't like is "fraud" doesn't seem like a rational response.

But if you want to stick to your make-believe and put money on Trump you'd do quite well:

https://bookies.com/news/presidential-election-odds-daily-tracker

Not sure on why people think this is some sort of fraud. Biden is the favorite to win the 2020 election right now, that's just the fact of the matter.

Do I think betting on Trump is a good idea right now? Yes. I do personally still think that he's going to win as there is something that is going to change to bring these polls close come November. Plus -- He can lose the popular vote and still win the EC. Which pretty much means anything within 5% nationally in these polls means that the race is going to be competitive.

[TwitchySeal]

Not sure on why people think this is some sort of fraud.

Trump has conditioned his base to take his word and dismiss any who question it as either mentally ill or an enemy of the United States.

Biden is the favorite to win the 2020 election right now, that's just the fact of the matter.

Not if Trump is telling the truth about the which polls are real and which are fake.


"In back-to-back tweets, Trump shares a fake poll number and dismisses a real poll number as fake"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/22/back-to-back-tweets-trump-shares-fake-poll-number-dismisses-real-poll-number-fake/


Although, to be fair - after years of "I know for a fact Trump will win in 2020 and I can't wait to rub your face in it" attitude, TECSHARE pivoted to a "The only way dems win in November is fraud" attitude.  It's subtle, but significant.