2020 Democrats

[suchmoon]

What he meant to say is if you are a racist sexist superficial cunt first rather than voting for some one who is most capable, that is the inevitable result. No one checks all the boxes everyone wants, the inevitable result of voting for form over function is the output manifests similar shortcomings.

Sounds like a fun experiment we can do right here. Who would be acceptable to you as Biden's VP pick?

[hornetsnest]

Who would be acceptable to you as Biden's VP pick?

Asmodeus 

[Gyfts]

No one has ever heard of Karen Bass and Susan Rice was involved in Michael Flynn's partisan investigation. She hasn't been elected to public office either.

The Nat Sec Adviser (Susan Rice) was involved in the investigation into the incoming Nat Sec Advisor (Flynn) who, among other things, failed to register as a foreign agent of Turkey then lied about it on the forms when he did - also lied to the VP and Press Sec (who repeated it to the country) about his talks with Russia before Trump took office.  

Only a really shitty Nat Sec Adviser would not be involved.

Susan Rice was also at the oval office meeting with Obama, Biden, Sally Yates, and Comey where they discussed Michael Flynn's contact with the Russians and concluded it needed to be investigated. It isn't unusual for a National Security adviser to speak to foreigners prior to taking office.

Sally Yates agreed that James Comey went "rouge" in the way he handled himself with Michael Flynn, and she isn't a Trump supporter by any means - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sally-yates-comey-went-rogue-michael-flynn-senate-judiciary-committee/

Not a matter of guilt by association so I'm not going to hold Susan Rice responsible, but she was involved in that meeting and sent out the following email detailing it - https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/498593-read-susan-rices-email-discussing-michael-flynn-and-russia There hasn't been any other public evidence of her involvement but regardless, Michael Flynn's investigation was handled poorly by FBI agents who coerced him to lie about a crime that hasn't ever successfully been prosecuted. If I recall correctly, they even told him he wouldn't need a lawyer and they certainly discussed before the meeting whether the goal of the interview was to get him to lie. That isn't an investigation, that's fishing for a crime.

Unless he picks an experienced black female.  Like Kamala Harris or Susan Rice, for example.

It probably sounded better in your head unless you actually meant to say that all back women are inexperienced.

Edit: LOL Twitchy beat me by an hour.

Guess it did sound a lot better in my head. Not saying there aren't qualified black woman, but given Biden's short list of potential VP picks, he slashes away over half the list when checking the "black" and "women" boxes. Susan Rice has never been elected to public office before and doesn't have national name recognition. No one knows who she is. Kamala Harris on the other hand led an extremely tough on crime justice department, was anti-weed, pro-law enforcement, basically opposite of the garbage she spewed on a debate stage during the primaries. Liberals wouldn't like her, and conservatives don't like her. Generally an unpopular person.

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Little is it known, Joe Biden has a taste tester when he's around Kamala Harris as he fears she might spike his drink.

Kamala Harris is selfish and inauthentic. She's doing nothing but setting herself up for 2024 but is gonna pretend like she's a fighter for the people!

[Spendulus]

...... Kamala Harris on the other hand led an extremely tough on crime justice department, was anti-weed, pro-law enforcement, basically opposite of the garbage she spewed on a debate stage during the primaries. Liberals wouldn't like her, and conservatives don't like her. Generally an unpopular person.
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Kamala Harris is selfish and inauthentic. She's doing nothing but setting herself up for 2024 but is gonna pretend like she's a fighter for the people!

Sounds like the person the D will pick, since for a VP to become P and run the increasingly totalitarian, authoritarian Left ... she fits perfectly.

[squatz1]

...... Kamala Harris on the other hand led an extremely tough on crime justice department, was anti-weed, pro-law enforcement, basically opposite of the garbage she spewed on a debate stage during the primaries. Liberals wouldn't like her, and conservatives don't like her. Generally an unpopular person.
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Kamala Harris is selfish and inauthentic. She's doing nothing but setting herself up for 2024 but is gonna pretend like she's a fighter for the people!

Sounds like the person the D will pick, since for a VP to become P and run the increasingly totalitarian, authoritarian Left ... she fits perfectly.

And look at that, that is what Biden did. He came out and picked the person who has been at the top of the betting odds for this entire time. Not surprising at all, as Biden is in a good position (in regards to the polls) to pick the person at the top of the pile.

I've said in other threads in this section that Biden picked Kamala because he needed someone who was moderate enough and could gain the support of minority groups. She WAS NOT picked to reinvent this campaign. She was picked because she represents a campaign like this. She is just like Biden. A phony.

[PrimeNumber7]

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders who is widely seen in the Democratic Party as unelectable.

Some people are saying that she is one reason why we have the Bill of Rights, although if Democrats win the Senate and Congress along with the Presidency, we probably won’t have Bill of Rights anymore. She is willing to do anything for power, regardless of anyone’s pesky constitutional rights.

[KonstantinosM]

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders who is widely seen in the Democratic Party as unelectable.

Some people are saying that she is one reason why we have the Bill of Rights, although if Democrats win the Senate and Congress along with the Presidency, we probably won’t have Bill of Rights anymore. She is willing to do anything for power, regardless of anyone’s pesky constitutional rights.

Left of Sanders? You seriously believe that?

If anything Kamala Harris is a conservative.

She laughed at legalizing marijuana, in an election against a republican who was in favour. True, she's changed her position since then, but it's really a point against her. It wasn't too long ago she was in the wrong on that.

On July 22, she voted against cutting the pentagon budget by 10% and investing that money to jobs, education, healthcare and housing in high poverty areas.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s135

The democrats were 22 for and 23 against.

Kamala (or Copmala) voted against.
Just like all the other republicunts.


It's a cynical way for the elites to hush hush all the libtards who will be too cowardly to vote against the first black woman Veep (who could very well become president as Biden is well past the sell by date).

Don't fall for it. I'd be a lot more likely to pinch my nose shut and vote for Biden if he at least got Bernie or Tulsi as VP. But now? No way.

The powers that be get to feel safe, and they play the identity politics game.

Obama sucked donkey dick. People should be immune to identity politics by now.


When black children were being poisoned by high lead levels in Flint, Obama flew in for a publicity stunt instead of helping the community by declaring an emergency.

The poisoning of a whole american city, just to get some profits by building an unnecessary water pipeline and Barack "Change" Obama shortchanged a whole community of people for whom he was cast as hero.

I can't imagine the dissapointment.

Kamala didn't even make the promises obama made, I can't imagine what we'd get with her.

I'm not voting in that administration. The democratic party needs to learn that it has to change to get votes, they can't just be republican light.

[TwitchySeal]

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders

Am I missing a joke, like her desk in the senate was to Bernies left or something?  

When black children were being poisoned by high lead levels in Flint, Obama flew in for a publicity stunt instead of helping the community by declaring an emergency.

He declared a state of emergency in Jan 2016, about 5 months before his first visit.  "Obama declared an emergency and never fixed it" is a common criticism you might have been going for.

[PrimeNumber7]

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders who is widely seen in the Democratic Party as unelectable.

Some people are saying that she is one reason why we have the Bill of Rights, although if Democrats win the Senate and Congress along with the Presidency, we probably won’t have Bill of Rights anymore. She is willing to do anything for power, regardless of anyone’s pesky constitutional rights.

Left of Sanders? You seriously believe that?

If anything Kamala Harris is a conservative.

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders

Am I missing a joke, like her desk in the senate was to Bernies left or something? 

Harris is not a Republican, nor is she a moderate. She is an extremist.

She is in favor of mandatory gun confescation ("buybacks"). She wants to ban private health insurance via Medicare for All, including "full benefits" for illegal immigrants, which is not possible because finate healthcare resources would quickly be depleted by a surge in additional illegal immigrants coming to the US in need of healthcare. She is in favor of open borders. She wants college to be "free" for everyone (which really means far left colleges would get unlimited money from the Federal Government to indoctrinate young adults). She wants to restrict workers' rights to not join a union.

I could go on...

[KonstantinosM]

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders who is widely seen in the Democratic Party as unelectable.

Some people are saying that she is one reason why we have the Bill of Rights, although if Democrats win the Senate and Congress along with the Presidency, we probably won’t have Bill of Rights anymore. She is willing to do anything for power, regardless of anyone’s pesky constitutional rights.

Left of Sanders? You seriously believe that?

If anything Kamala Harris is a conservative.

Harris is in no way moderate. By some metrics, she is to the left of Sanders

Am I missing a joke, like her desk in the senate was to Bernies left or something? 

Harris is not a Republican, nor is she a moderate. She is an extremist.

She is in favor of mandatory gun confescation ("buybacks"). She wants to ban private health insurance via Medicare for All, including "full benefits" for illegal immigrants, which is not possible because finate healthcare resources would quickly be depleted by a surge in additional illegal immigrants coming to the US in need of healthcare. She is in favor of open borders. She wants college to be "free" for everyone (which really means far left colleges would get unlimited money from the Federal Government to indoctrinate young adults). She wants to restrict workers' rights to not join a union.

I could go on...

Kamala Harris is an authoritarian just like Trump. Threatening state violence (the police) for children not going to school.

By the way, most of the policies you mention would be a plus for me if Kamala really supported them.

Universal healthcare is good both for the health of the people but also for the free market. Here's why. Our current system has fake inflated prices. If it didn't you would have dentist's private practices charge reasonable fees, people would go to these practices for the same reason they go to different supermarkets.

That's actually how it works in countries with Universal healthcare. The only losers are the private insurance agencies that won't get to insert their thieving selves between us and the healthcare system.

Yes, all the people in the country deserve healthcare, yes that includes illegal immigrants, criminals, everyone. The whole resource money argument is invented when it comes to that. The cost is only inflated by insurance companies and the fake prices that we all have to pay. It's Cleptocratic bullshit.

Open borders? Citation needed. Where and how is she for open borders. I seriously doubt that.


Free college would be a good thing. Every dollar put in there probably will net society another $10 dollars back. Unlike buildin more bombs and prisons and giving all of our house tax money to the police for no reason.

The union stuff, I haven't heard about. Again, citation needed.

[TwitchySeal]

She's not to the left of Bernie on any of those things.  

She is in favor of mandatory gun confescation ("buybacks").

Only AR-15s.  (fun fact: She's a gun owner.)

She wants to ban private health insurance via Medicare for All

Her medicare for all health care proposal did not ban private insurance neither did her modified version.

She is in favor of open borders.

“We can’t have open borders. We need to have border security, all nations do.”
- Kamala Harris, March Debate

She wants college to be "free" for everyone

She wants community college to be free.  A far cry from Bernies plan.

[Spendulus]

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Kamala didn't even make the promises obama made, I can't imagine what we'd get with her.

I'm not voting in that administration. The democratic party needs to learn that it has to change to get votes, they can't just be republican light.

It's fine you are welcome on the Trump team.

[KonstantinosM]

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Kamala didn't even make the promises obama made, I can't imagine what we'd get with her.

I'm not voting in that administration. The democratic party needs to learn that it has to change to get votes, they can't just be republican light.

It's fine you are welcome on the Trump team.

I know I'm really hating on the establishment democrats, but Trump is definitely worse. The mishandling of the coronavirus which has caused about 150k unnecessary deaths and loss of GDP, as well as allowing the government to funnel money to the rich, as well as permanently reduce their taxes, including corporate taxes while only temporarily reducing middle class taxes is definitely not where I stand.

And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished.

Trump did about exactly the opposite of what needs to be done. Not that Biden/Kamala would do much better. If Biden/Kamala started convincingly promising they'll tackle climate change, they might still get my vote yet.

A Green new deal kind of thing at the minimum.

Trump has always been a non-starter for me. He lacks any policy substance. He is a veiled racist. A creepy rich guy who abused his authority to walk in on naked teen's lockers. The only thing Trump has going for him, is that as an entertainer he can sometimes be entertaining. But I never watched him anyway, and unlike apparently millions of Americans I understand that a good entertainer is not necessarily also a good leader.

Edit: I just wanna add, I don't wanna do 3 posts here close to one another, but I don't want people thinking I'm for Trump. I'm an Independent. Good policies is what I want. I don't care about the R or the D next to people's names. It's just not enough for me to get it up, unlike so many people unfortunately.

[tvbcof]

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And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished.
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I'm going to assume that like most people who've fallen victim to the climate scare scam, you are ignorant of the fact that the arctic has been free of sea ice even in the holocene:

  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379110003185

You sound pretty sure that things will get even 'worse' in the arctic within the next decade.  I've been hearing the same bullshit for at least three decades from the chicken-little crowd of mostly ignoramuses.  But maybe you are right which leave the question 'who cares'?  It's happened before and it'll happen again and the world still turns.

As for 'extreme weather', of that I have no doubt.  Techniques of weather modification mostly via manipulation of solar radiation (under the guise of 'saving the planet' complements of the same folk who brought us the 'covid-19' plandemic) are well advanced by now.  Regions who don't play ball with the globalists will be droughted or flooded out, and regions who do will get just the right amount of precipitation for their agricultural needs.  There will be some variations so that the bankers who play with weather derivatives will still make bank.

[Spendulus]

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And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished. ....

...live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it...

Exactly same thing was said 30 years ago, and 50 years ago...

But this is a standard "apocalyptic scare tactics" ... make the nightmare not close enough that you can get caught in the lie, and not far enough off that individuals won't experience it.

[TwitchySeal]

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And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished. ....

...live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it...

Exactly same thing was said 30 years ago, and 50 years ago...

But this is a standard "apocalyptic scare tactics" ... make the nightmare not close enough that you can get caught in the lie, and not far enough off that individuals won't experience it.

You forgot to bring up your “global cooling is the biggest threat to our planet” theory.

[Spendulus]

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And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished. ....

...live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it...

Exactly same thing was said 30 years ago, and 50 years ago...

But this is a standard "apocalyptic scare tactics" ... make the nightmare not close enough that you can get caught in the lie, and not far enough off that individuals won't experience it.

You forgot to bring up your “global cooling is the biggest threat to our planet” theory.

But that is because we are not discussing reality, but the fake alarmism and scare tactics of the Democratic Party, which are oriented around which scares provide the ability to shunt large buckets of money to the favored groups.

Where KonstantinosM has a logical fallacy is where he asserts the D party is actually one that do anything good for the Environment. These are the cretins who made an entire religion out of those goofy little coiled worm light bulbs. Remember that? What were they called? CFLs?

Since 1996 it was clear to anyone with a brain that white LED was going to take over lighting.

[KonstantinosM]

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And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished. ....

...live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it...

Exactly same thing was said 30 years ago, and 50 years ago...

But this is a standard "apocalyptic scare tactics" ... make the nightmare not close enough that you can get caught in the lie, and not far enough off that individuals won't experience it.

You forgot to bring up your “global cooling is the biggest threat to our planet” theory.

But that is because we are not discussing reality, but the fake alarmism and scare tactics of the Democratic Party, which are oriented around which scares provide the ability to shunt large buckets of money to the favored groups.

Where KonstantinosM has a logical fallacy is where he asserts the D party is actually one that do anything good for the Environment. These are the cretins who made an entire religion out of those goofy little coiled worm light bulbs. Remember that? What were they called? CFLs?

Since 1996 it was clear to anyone with a brain that white LED was going to take over lighting.

I'm an independent. Science facts are not partisan, they are global, they are Universal. There is a crisis looming on the horizon. It's only partisan politics that don't allow you to see it. The history books will have to settle this one, unfortunately.

I don't know how CFL bulbs were dragged into this but it was never obvious. LED bulbs have come a very long way. I'm a flashlight fanatic, trust me I know. Those CFLs played a crucial role and saved tons of energy from being wasted. They had their place and now they're being phased out.

I'm confident that I can debunk anything you throw at me but we've had that discussion.

You follow dogma on faith, I understand the science in question to the best of my ability. You're gonna bring up ridiculous conspiracies. This is all a big joke to you, a troll job, not a serious discusssion. You have your villains (the democrats and the scientists) and your heroes (your conspiracy theorists and pseudointellectuals).

This isn't really the topic here. It is however interesting that me pointing the flaws of the Democrats, that y'all like. Me pointing out the flaws of Trump and your conspiracy theories I get dismissed with things like "Oh wow, more orange man bad".... Well, that doesn't change the facts.

If climate denying republicans slide any further soon they'll start slinging their own shit at the keyboard and they'll short circuit their electronics and I won't have to read any more of this drivel. But sure as hell they'll vote in Trump for another round.


P.S. Yes, the democratic party would do better for the environment, but doing better and doing enough is not the same thing. Bernie Sanders could convince me that he'd take this seriously, all the others it's just empty rhetoric.

Bernie did do a lot of good things for Burlington when he was mayor. With a lot of difficulty especially at the beginning. He'd do the same for the entire country if the primaries went differently and he managed to get elected.

[Spendulus]

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P.S. Yes, the democratic party would do better for the environment....

Hahahaha....

False.

Democrats PUSHED... LEGISTLATED ... CFL.

The free market created white CREE LED and ran circles around them.

Democrats crush nuclear power.

I think they are largely paid off by Middle East oil interests.

Convince the stupid Americans they can go green, then the oil has to come from Saudi Arabia.

Remind you of something? It should. The Russian pipeline to Germany?

[suchmoon]

Democrats PUSHED... LEGISTLATED ... CFL.

What... ARE... YOU... TALKING ABOUT?

I don't recall any specific CFL law. There was the clean energy act that was passed under Bush W but it simply set efficiency standards for lighting - it didn't mandate CFLs. Could it be that LEDs were too expensive at the time or must it be a Democrat conspiracy?