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[Juggy777]

it is nice to see that windice is still active with their promos here and they still manage to keep a good number of players online.
i remember, they started only with dice game up until they grow. now that their classic games are pretty in place here, are they planning to venture in sportsbetting in the future? you know, if it crosses with their minds here?? a lot are exploring the sportsbetting scene so am curious if they ever think of this aspect of gambling?

Idk, but there are already lot of sites offering sports betting, i think it already many choice for us to pick whatever site which offering sports betting. If windice listed sportsbetting in the future? Will you playing on here? I doubt about it.

I feel it’ll a tough call for them because if they decide to launch it then they’ll have to further run promos for the sportsbook, and which would mean less promos for their existing games and it could hurt their regular customer base.

Furthermore if they offer lower odds then the existing one’s then they’ll become obsolete even before they can stabilise, hence they should think this move thoroughly if they’re keen to venture into launching their own sportsbook.

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[jostorres]

I feel it’ll a tough call for them because if they decide to launch it then they’ll have to further run promos for the sportsbook, and which would mean less promos for their existing games and it could hurt their regular customer base.

Furthermore if they offer lower odds then the existing one’s then they’ll become obsolete even before they can stabilise, hence they should think this move thoroughly if they’re keen to venture into launching their own sportsbook.

I feel like they could just make a deal with some provider, that way they do not have to even have a bankroll for it, they are just putting the odds that the provider tell them to put and that's about it, nothing else really matters for them and there is basically zero cost aside from marketing of course.

I do not see too much downside for them, it may or may not make them money, but it will not cost them too much money neither. They can do promos, they can do marketing, but half of them comes from provider anyway, that is why you see all those amazing NFL superbowl promos everywhere, it is not casinos, most of them are main providers that work with those casinos, and yes sometimes casinos give something more on top of what the provider pays, but for starting out as a new place you can only use providers promotions and that would probably be enough to get people know about your sportsbook side as well.

[Juggy777]

I feel it’ll a tough call for them because if they decide to launch it then they’ll have to further run promos for the sportsbook, and which would mean less promos for their existing games and it could hurt their regular customer base.

Furthermore if they offer lower odds then the existing one’s then they’ll become obsolete even before they can stabilise, hence they should think this move thoroughly if they’re keen to venture into launching their own sportsbook.

I feel like they could just make a deal with some provider, that way they do not have to even have a bankroll for it, they are just putting the odds that the provider tell them to put and that's about it, nothing else really matters for them and there is basically zero cost aside from marketing of course.

I do not see too much downside for them, it may or may not make them money, but it will not cost them too much money neither. They can do promos, they can do marketing, but half of them comes from provider anyway, that is why you see all those amazing NFL superbowl promos everywhere, it is not casinos, most of them are main providers that work with those casinos, and yes sometimes casinos give something more on top of what the provider pays, but for starting out as a new place you can only use providers promotions and that would probably be enough to get people know about your sportsbook side as well.

@jostorres one key downside I see is when a bet will be voided by the provider, Windice will be blamed for the cancellation and the gambler will post negative reviews against them. Furthermore those who like to wager on sportsbook will constantly hound them for better odds, and again that’ll be out of their hands.

[tippytoes]

I feel it’ll a tough call for them because if they decide to launch it then they’ll have to further run promos for the sportsbook, and which would mean less promos for their existing games and it could hurt their regular customer base.

Furthermore if they offer lower odds then the existing one’s then they’ll become obsolete even before they can stabilise, hence they should think this move thoroughly if they’re keen to venture into launching their own sportsbook.

I feel like they could just make a deal with some provider, that way they do not have to even have a bankroll for it, they are just putting the odds that the provider tell them to put and that's about it, nothing else really matters for them and there is basically zero cost aside from marketing of course.

I do not see too much downside for them, it may or may not make them money, but it will not cost them too much money neither. They can do promos, they can do marketing, but half of them comes from provider anyway, that is why you see all those amazing NFL superbowl promos everywhere, it is not casinos, most of them are main providers that work with those casinos, and yes sometimes casinos give something more on top of what the provider pays, but for starting out as a new place you can only use providers promotions and that would probably be enough to get people know about your sportsbook side as well.

@jostorres one key downside I see is when a bet will be voided by the provider, Windice will be blamed for the cancellation and the gambler will post negative reviews against them. Furthermore those who like to wager on sportsbook will constantly hound them for better odds, and again that’ll be out of their hands.

We already have several good sportsbooks here to choose from. So right now, I don't think it will be good idea for them to go into that scene. Unless, they will find in the future that they can compete with established sportsbooks. What I am interested here is that, will the wincoin have market value in the future? Because a lot of casinos are now creating their own tokens or coins that they can also exchange in the market. Or they will just keep it in their site and remain as play coin?

[Juggy777]

I feel it’ll a tough call for them because if they decide to launch it then they’ll have to further run promos for the sportsbook, and which would mean less promos for their existing games and it could hurt their regular customer base.

Furthermore if they offer lower odds then the existing one’s then they’ll become obsolete even before they can stabilise, hence they should think this move thoroughly if they’re keen to venture into launching their own sportsbook.

I feel like they could just make a deal with some provider, that way they do not have to even have a bankroll for it, they are just putting the odds that the provider tell them to put and that's about it, nothing else really matters for them and there is basically zero cost aside from marketing of course.

I do not see too much downside for them, it may or may not make them money, but it will not cost them too much money neither. They can do promos, they can do marketing, but half of them comes from provider anyway, that is why you see all those amazing NFL superbowl promos everywhere, it is not casinos, most of them are main providers that work with those casinos, and yes sometimes casinos give something more on top of what the provider pays, but for starting out as a new place you can only use providers promotions and that would probably be enough to get people know about your sportsbook side as well.

@jostorres one key downside I see is when a bet will be voided by the provider, Windice will be blamed for the cancellation and the gambler will post negative reviews against them. Furthermore those who like to wager on sportsbook will constantly hound them for better odds, and again that’ll be out of their hands.

We already have several good sportsbooks here to choose from. So right now, I don't think it will be good idea for them to go into that scene. Unless, they will find in the future that they can compete with established sportsbooks. What I am interested here is that, will the wincoin have market value in the future? Because a lot of casinos are now creating their own tokens or coins that they can also exchange in the market. Or they will just keep it in their site and remain as play coin?

@tippytoes exactly my point unless they have something better to offer for gamblers starting a sportsbook doesn’t make much sense, but then again let’s see what the team has to say about this. Also you have raised a very important point for now I don’t think there’s much information about Wincoin price, but if they grow then in my personal opinion they may just list it on an exchange in the near future.

[jostorres]

one key downside I see is when a bet will be voided by the provider, Windice will be blamed for the cancellation and the gambler will post negative reviews against them. Furthermore those who like to wager on sportsbook will constantly hound them for better odds, and again that’ll be out of their hands.

I understand that there are downsides, but at the same time they will be able to provide sportsbetting, that is the biggest upside here and that should matter the most. I think the downside of "being blamed" is not really that much of a big deal, sure reputation matters a lot but when the provider cancels something all you have to do is "our provider cancelled this" and nothing more, if people still keep complaining just redirect the blame to provider and you are fine, don't care if they keep doing it because there is literally nothing you can do.

You do not "have to" give better odds, it would be awesome if you can but it doesn't matter because if you do not want to, you will still get "some" people, maybe not as much as you can with good odds, but still some people. These problems are all "headache" level but not bankruptcy level and that is fine they are not that big of a deal.

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[SquallLeonhart]

I understand that there are downsides, but at the same time they will be able to provide sportsbetting, that is the biggest upside here and that should matter the most. I think the downside of "being blamed" is not really that much of a big deal, sure reputation matters a lot but when the provider cancels something all you have to do is "our provider cancelled this" and nothing more, if people still keep complaining just redirect the blame to provider and you are fine, don't care if they keep doing it because there is literally nothing you can do.

You do not "have to" give better odds, it would be awesome if you can but it doesn't matter because if you do not want to, you will still get "some" people, maybe not as much as you can with good odds, but still some people. These problems are all "headache" level but not bankruptcy level and that is fine they are not that big of a deal.

It is not always that much of an upside for everyone. I do not think that windice is making THAT much money, sure they are doing fine but that doesn't mean they are doing awesome. It means that they will have to spend so much money to get it developed, deal with providers and make that type of expenses, and then they will have to do spend a lot of money on marketing as well.

Basically we are talking about something that will be at least 100k+ dollars if you want to do it properly, I can start a sportsbook for 100 dollars as well, no marketing no nothing, just get some domain and some servers and then get ready mate website connected to a provider without even a graphic change and just put it on some free places, like create a topic here, or spam it with a different account to every tweet in the sports world, which will get you banned eventually but keep doing it with another new account and keep doing it forever, here you have a sportsbook!

But of course, windice is not that bad, so they will have to spend a lot of money and they may not want to do it half-ass, or do not have the money for doing it properly.

[finity]

I see that the codepen fairness calculator that is linked to in the Fairness section of the site can verify dice and crash only. Why does in not verify roulette and  wheel?

Are those two even provably fair?

[Juggy777]

I understand that there are downsides, but at the same time they will be able to provide sportsbetting, that is the biggest upside here and that should matter the most. I think the downside of "being blamed" is not really that much of a big deal, sure reputation matters a lot but when the provider cancels something all you have to do is "our provider cancelled this" and nothing more, if people still keep complaining just redirect the blame to provider and you are fine, don't care if they keep doing it because there is literally nothing you can do.

You do not "have to" give better odds, it would be awesome if you can but it doesn't matter because if you do not want to, you will still get "some" people, maybe not as much as you can with good odds, but still some people. These problems are all "headache" level but not bankruptcy level and that is fine they are not that big of a deal.

It is not always that much of an upside for everyone. I do not think that windice is making THAT much money, sure they are doing fine but that doesn't mean they are doing awesome. It means that they will have to spend so much money to get it developed, deal with providers and make that type of expenses, and then they will have to do spend a lot of money on marketing as well.

Basically we are talking about something that will be at least 100k+ dollars if you want to do it properly, I can start a sportsbook for 100 dollars as well, no marketing no nothing, just get some domain and some servers and then get ready mate website connected to a provider without even a graphic change and just put it on some free places, like create a topic here, or spam it with a different account to every tweet in the sports world, which will get you banned eventually but keep doing it with another new account and keep doing it forever, here you have a sportsbook!

But of course, windice is not that bad, so they will have to spend a lot of money and they may not want to do it half-ass, or do not have the money for doing it properly.

@SquallLeonhart Windice does have an advantage here that they already have a huge member base, plus they have their own forum so their marketing expenses will be reduced significantly. However how many of their existing player’s wants to play on their sports book is the key here, and for this they should conduct a survey and based on what their player’s say then they should go ahead with it.

[newwest]

I understand that there are downsides, but at the same time they will be able to provide sportsbetting, that is the biggest upside here and that should matter the most. I think the downside of "being blamed" is not really that much of a big deal, sure reputation matters a lot but when the provider cancels something all you have to do is "our provider cancelled this" and nothing more, if people still keep complaining just redirect the blame to provider and you are fine, don't care if they keep doing it because there is literally nothing you can do.

You do not "have to" give better odds, it would be awesome if you can but it doesn't matter because if you do not want to, you will still get "some" people, maybe not as much as you can with good odds, but still some people. These problems are all "headache" level but not bankruptcy level and that is fine they are not that big of a deal.

It is not always that much of an upside for everyone. I do not think that windice is making THAT much money, sure they are doing fine but that doesn't mean they are doing awesome. It means that they will have to spend so much money to get it developed, deal with providers and make that type of expenses, and then they will have to do spend a lot of money on marketing as well.

Basically we are talking about something that will be at least 100k+ dollars if you want to do it properly, I can start a sportsbook for 100 dollars as well, no marketing no nothing, just get some domain and some servers and then get ready mate website connected to a provider without even a graphic change and just put it on some free places, like create a topic here, or spam it with a different account to every tweet in the sports world, which will get you banned eventually but keep doing it with another new account and keep doing it forever, here you have a sportsbook!

But of course, windice is not that bad, so they will have to spend a lot of money and they may not want to do it half-ass, or do not have the money for doing it properly.

@SquallLeonhart Windice does have an advantage here that they already have a huge member base, plus they have their own forum so their marketing expenses will be reduced significantly. However how many of their existing player’s wants to play on their sports book is the key here, and for this they should conduct a survey and based on what their player’s say then they should go ahead with it.

One thing that always make me think is that it is successfully running since couple of years now and would have a good customers base as well. But in this competitive world where each site does want to have more users so isn't it better to have the signature campaign running in this forum where there are thousands of users registered and play on other site. Not seen their campaign here from long months now.

[SquallLeonhart]

One thing that always make me think is that it is successfully running since couple of years now and would have a good customers base as well. But in this competitive world where each site does want to have more users so isn't it better to have the signature campaign running in this forum where there are thousands of users registered and play on other site. Not seen their campaign here from long months now.

I do agree that it is not that easy to end up with specific type of gambler, I mean windice was never a supppeeerbly popular place, it was a decent one of course but I have seen it get less and less attention lately, for the past year they got lower and lower in wagering numbers, maybe the wagering amount increased or decreased I do not know that but it certainly did decreased by half at least for wagering number, so that is a bad thing to see. That means if they do sportsbook then they really need to do big marketing, I do not care if they have their own forum, they are already know or anything else, even Stake with how highly popular they are, did a whole marketing thing for their sportsbook, hell they even spend so many millions on sponsoring Watford this season. Windice do not have to be THAT big of course, but it still requires to spend a bit more money.

[OcTradism]

I do agree that it is not that easy to end up with specific type of gambler, I mean windice was never a supppeeerbly popular place, it was a decent one of course but I have seen it get less and less attention lately, for the past year they got lower and lower in wagering numbers, maybe the wagering amount increased or decreased I do not know that but it certainly did decreased by half at least for wagering number, so that is a bad thing to see.

Windice makes their name in gambling and they become one of most popular dice sites that have announcement topics on the forum. Your finding is true because Windice stopped to run their promotion on the forum.

If they come back with more promotions, they will get more new gamblers. The market is bullish and gambling is one of entertainment for traders and investors.

That means if they do sportsbook then they really need to do big marketing, I do not care if they have their own forum, they are already know or anything else, even Stake with how highly popular they are, did a whole marketing thing for their sportsbook, hell they even spend so many millions on sponsoring Watford this season. Windice do not have to be THAT big of course, but it still requires to spend a bit more money.

Sportsbook is favorite gambling for gamblers, sport gamblers in particular. However, running a sportsbook is different and more complex than gaming or dice site.

You got a point because I know some gambling sites are trying to build their sportsbooks. Recently I see Roobet released theirs. It makes sense that Windice team can consider about your idea.

Roobet's sportbetting

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I see that the codepen fairness calculator that is linked to in the Fairness section of the site can verify dice and crash only. Why does in not verify roulette and  wheel?

Are those two even provably fair?

They are, it has been updated now, you can always verify on our website as well.

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[newwest]

Jackpot is really hard to get it as not seen from long time any one manage to hit that. Seems a month back last somebody had managed to get it. But that is what people wish to dream hitting it. Its really big thing to make to that Jackpot list and get the winning amount.

[SquallLeonhart]

I do agree that it is not that easy to end up with specific type of gambler, I mean windice was never a supppeeerbly popular place, it was a decent one of course but I have seen it get less and less attention lately, for the past year they got lower and lower in wagering numbers, maybe the wagering amount increased or decreased I do not know that but it certainly did decreased by half at least for wagering number, so that is a bad thing to see.

Windice makes their name in gambling and they become one of most popular dice sites that have announcement topics on the forum. Your finding is true because Windice stopped to run their promotion on the forum.

If they come back with more promotions, they will get more new gamblers. The market is bullish and gambling is one of entertainment for traders and investors.

Marketing is the MOST important part of a casino, how could they not do it properly? That is the thing I am worried about this place, if they are not doing promotions too much right now like they used to, then how are they suppose to grow bigger? And if they are not growing bigger than how are they suppose to keep the customers here happy, and if they can't keep their customers happy then how are they going to profit, if they are not going to profit from the current situation then how are they suppose to keep paying the costs? And that turns into "if they are too bad, will they eventually scam exit?" for me.

So, any casino that gets worse and worse makes me fear what could happen in the future and that is why I do not end up gambling at a place that gets worse over time. They seriously need to consider what they are doing with marketing.

[Juggy777]

I do agree that it is not that easy to end up with specific type of gambler, I mean windice was never a supppeeerbly popular place, it was a decent one of course but I have seen it get less and less attention lately, for the past year they got lower and lower in wagering numbers, maybe the wagering amount increased or decreased I do not know that but it certainly did decreased by half at least for wagering number, so that is a bad thing to see.

Windice makes their name in gambling and they become one of most popular dice sites that have announcement topics on the forum. Your finding is true because Windice stopped to run their promotion on the forum.

If they come back with more promotions, they will get more new gamblers. The market is bullish and gambling is one of entertainment for traders and investors.

Marketing is the MOST important part of a casino, how could they not do it properly? That is the thing I am worried about this place, if they are not doing promotions too much right now like they used to, then how are they suppose to grow bigger? And if they are not growing bigger than how are they suppose to keep the customers here happy, and if they can't keep their customers happy then how are they going to profit, if they are not going to profit from the current situation then how are they suppose to keep paying the costs? And that turns into "if they are too bad, will they eventually scam exit?" for me.

So, any casino that gets worse and worse makes me fear what could happen in the future and that is why I do not end up gambling at a place that gets worse over time. They seriously need to consider what they are doing with marketing.

I don’t know why you’ll feel that Windice isn’t doing well, because for me they went from a small casino to a top 10 casino in quite a short while. Also they’re running promotions on their own forum and not much on Bitcointalk, and that’s why you’ll feel that they have stopped marketing, so maybe you’ll should check their forum because I don’t feel they’re lagging as you’ll have suggested.