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July 23, 2019, 01:20:31 PM |
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I dont think btc profitability has increased all that much to warrant such high price hikes in the equipment.
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July 23, 2019, 01:28:37 PM |
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Wow those prices are insane. It's like they priced it at the beginning of the price run, and then tacked on another 800$ for good measure. They know people are foaming at the mouth for gear and don't mind turning the screws a little.
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July 23, 2019, 01:32:24 PM |
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Wow those prices are insane. It's like they priced it at the beginning of the price run, and then tacked on another 800$ for good measure. They know people are foaming at the mouth for gear and don't mind turning the screws a little.
with these prices plus the import tax - I will not be ordering anything this round.
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July 23, 2019, 01:35:21 PM |
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It's more high time preference pricing for units shipping in a week. Otherwise the Nov pre orders are reasonably priced.
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July 23, 2019, 01:37:24 PM |
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with these prices plus the import tax - I will not be ordering anything this round.
Right I forgot about the import tax for the US. It feels like a bad typo really, what a kick in the teeth. All this gear was a no go for me just on the worries of going over 240V. Now though I imagine this will give any other manufacturer the same idea to start to squeeze as much out of the gear as possible. I wonder though I didn't think they would have batches that went up for sale with short delivery timeframes. Smart play if they only pre-sold 80-90% of the batch then held some back to do a cash grab for quick ship units. It's more high time preference pricing for units shipping in a week. Otherwise the Nov pre orders are reasonably priced.
Does make me consider putting the M20S on the market, and preordering a few things for November.
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July 23, 2019, 02:07:45 PM |
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These prices make Innosillicon a steal. I guess they can charge whatever they want. Supply and demand.
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July 23, 2019, 02:28:58 PM |
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Anyone see the date that the sales will start?
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July 23, 2019, 02:39:36 PM |
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These prices make Innosillicon a steal. I guess they can charge whatever they want. Supply and demand.
only bad thing about Innosillicon is that their miners use close to 50% more power than Bitmains miners - iirc
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July 23, 2019, 02:58:33 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:09:18 AM by frodocooper |
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only bad thing about Innosillicon is that their miners use close to 50% more power than Bitmains miners - iirc
The T3 is on par with the T17 , and the new T3+(57Th) should be on par with S17. Perhaps a bit lower efficiency. I think it will be close when undervolted to around 50th.
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July 23, 2019, 03:24:18 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:10:31 AM by frodocooper |
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The T3 is on par with the T17 , and the new T3+(57Th) should be on par with S17. Perhaps a bit lower efficiency. I think it will be close when undervolted to around 50th.
from what I can tell: the T2T 30T is 73 J/TH the T3+ 57T is 58 J/TH the T3 50T is 62 J/TH the S17 is either 45 J/TH or 40 J/TH depending on mode the S17 Pro (both versions) is either 45 J/TH, 39.5 J/TH and 36 J/TH again depending on mode the T17 is 55 J/TH so it really depends on mode for the Bitmain versions to be better but with Bitmain's outrageous prices the decrease in efficiency might still be negligible with the faster roi. Bitmains worst - the T17 at 55 J/th is right about even with Innosillicon's best the T3+ at 58 J/TH so based on the prices 1958 for T17 November delivery and 2230 for Innosillicon's November delivery - the bitmain has the better efficiency and lower price but is also lower overall hashing power - so maybe look at it as how many dollars per TH and Innosillicon is the winner at $39.12 per TH vs Bitmains $48.95 per TH -- I think Innosilicon's lower price per TH more than makes up for the 3 J/TH less efficiency basically - I am saying my rash statement of 50% better efficiency was an incorrect statement ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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July 23, 2019, 03:33:58 PM |
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bye-bye Bitmain. ridiculous pricing. guess it'll have to be Inno or some other manufacturer for my little farm.
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July 23, 2019, 03:38:54 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:11:05 AM by frodocooper |
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... basically - I am saying my rash statement of 50% better efficiency was an incorrect statement ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Keep in mind Innosillicon specs are high hash mode. In balanced mode they do much better in terms of efficiency. They are claiming up to 46W/TH in efficiency mode for the T3+ 57T. My 39T does close to 53W/TH in balanced mode. The S17 is superior, but i'm not sure the extra cost and wait is worth it. There are better options as of right now.
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July 23, 2019, 04:03:09 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:11:25 AM by frodocooper |
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I agree - even with better efficiency, the increased price is not worth it. especially once you add the tariff.
I almost wish I could find T15's as they are under the tariff amount and still hash just fine around the 60 to 67 J/TH range
what is extremely funny to me is now that bitmain is getting ready to sell - all the bitmain coupons are on ebay - hundreds of them and most if not all are new listings - only one catch they all say the coupons expired march 31st lol
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July 23, 2019, 04:14:49 PM |
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Anyone see the date that the sales will start?
per the email 7/24 19:00 (GMT +8)
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July 23, 2019, 04:22:45 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:11:47 AM by frodocooper |
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You all can have mine, at those prices I'm not a buyer.
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July 23, 2019, 09:48:58 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:12:38 AM by frodocooper Merited by DarkStar_ (4), frodocooper (2) |
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this is also interesting - per the email attached, orders of 2 or more miners will supposedly be shipped from Malaysia - which then means no tariff, correct? or is that meaning 200 to 500? that is my guess but he did put it as 2-500 lol ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FBNxKGvN%2FCapture.jpg&t=663&c=ZqrqcqbknyH0GQ)
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July 23, 2019, 10:38:48 PM Last edit: July 24, 2019, 12:13:22 AM by frodocooper |
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I don't know about the tariffs, I got nailed on the last batch. But to add insult I just got a letter from the state of Illinois that I owe use tax on miners I bought in 2017. Still waiting to see what that is going to cost me.
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July 24, 2019, 12:07:17 PM Last edit: July 26, 2019, 03:38:56 AM by frodocooper |
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I believe the s9k might be from Malaysia but we're still waiting on confirmation but imagine it is true they are for bulk orders 200+
No word on Malaysia units but was able to get some stock for in stock units before sell out.
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July 24, 2019, 02:03:04 PM Last edit: July 26, 2019, 03:39:50 AM by frodocooper |
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... I have enough gear for today. I will mine on.
same. i would like to swap out my S9's for 17 series but at those prices the 9's will make me more money.
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