Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17

[MoparMiningLLC]

I dont think btc profitability has increased all that much to warrant such high price hikes in the equipment.

[Steamtyme]

Wow those prices are insane. It's like they priced it at the beginning of the price run, and then tacked on another 800$ for good measure. They know people are foaming at the mouth for gear and don't mind turning the screws a little.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Wow those prices are insane. It's like they priced it at the beginning of the price run, and then tacked on another 800$ for good measure. They know people are foaming at the mouth for gear and don't mind turning the screws a little.

with these prices plus the import tax - I will not be ordering anything this round.

[minefarmbuy]

It's more high time preference pricing for units shipping in a week. Otherwise the Nov pre orders are reasonably priced.

[Steamtyme]

with these prices plus the import tax - I will not be ordering anything this round.

Right I forgot about the import tax for the US. It feels like a bad typo really, what a kick in the teeth. All this gear was a no go for me just on the worries of going over 240V. Now though I imagine this will give any other manufacturer the same idea to start to squeeze as much out of the gear as possible.

I wonder though I didn't think they would have batches that went up for sale with short delivery timeframes. Smart play if they only pre-sold 80-90% of the batch then held some back to do a cash grab for quick ship units.

It's more high time preference pricing for units shipping in a week. Otherwise the Nov pre orders are reasonably priced.

Does make me consider putting the M20S on the market, and preordering a few things for November.

[jbillk]

These prices make Innosillicon a steal. I guess they can charge whatever they want. Supply and demand.

[AriesIV10]

Anyone see the date that the sales will start?

[MoparMiningLLC]

These prices make Innosillicon a steal. I guess they can charge whatever they want. Supply and demand.

only bad thing about Innosillicon is that their miners use close to 50% more power than Bitmains miners - iirc

[jbillk]

only bad thing about Innosillicon is that their miners use close to 50% more power than Bitmains miners - iirc

The T3 is on par with the T17 , and the new T3+(57Th) should be on par with S17. Perhaps a bit lower efficiency. I think it will be close when undervolted to around 50th.

[MoparMiningLLC]

The T3 is on par with the T17 , and the new T3+(57Th) should be on par with S17. Perhaps a bit lower efficiency. I think it will be close when undervolted to around 50th.

from what I can tell:

the T2T 30T is 73 J/TH
the T3+  57T is 58 J/TH
the T3 50T is 62 J/TH

the S17 is either 45 J/TH or 40 J/TH depending on mode
the S17 Pro (both versions) is either 45 J/TH, 39.5 J/TH and 36 J/TH again depending on mode
the T17 is 55 J/TH

so it really depends on mode for the Bitmain versions to be better

but with Bitmain's outrageous prices the decrease in efficiency might still be negligible with the faster roi.

Bitmains worst - the T17 at 55 J/th is right about even with Innosillicon's best the T3+ at 58 J/TH

so based on the prices 1958 for T17 November delivery and 2230 for Innosillicon's November delivery - the bitmain has the better efficiency and lower price but is also lower overall hashing power - so maybe look at it as how many dollars per TH and Innosillicon is the winner at $39.12 per TH vs Bitmains $48.95 per TH -- I think Innosilicon's lower price per TH more than makes up for the 3 J/TH less efficiency

basically - I am saying my rash statement of 50% better efficiency was an incorrect statement

[digital$]

bye-bye Bitmain. ridiculous pricing.  guess it'll have to be Inno or some other manufacturer for my little farm.

[jbillk]

... basically - I am saying my rash statement of 50% better efficiency was an incorrect statement

Keep in mind Innosillicon specs are high hash mode. In balanced mode they do much better in terms of efficiency. They are claiming up to 46W/TH in efficiency mode for the T3+ 57T. My 39T does close to 53W/TH in balanced mode.

The S17 is superior, but i'm not sure the extra cost and wait is worth it. There are better options as of right now.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I agree - even with better efficiency, the increased price is not worth it. especially once you add the tariff.

I almost wish I could find T15's as they are under the tariff amount and still hash just fine around the 60 to 67 J/TH range

what is extremely funny to me is now that bitmain is getting ready to sell - all the bitmain coupons are on ebay - hundreds of them and most if not all are new listings - only one catch they all say the coupons expired march 31st lol

[MoparMiningLLC]

Anyone see the date that the sales will start?

per the email 7/24 19:00 (GMT +8)

[madmartyk]

You all can have mine, at those prices I'm not a buyer.

[MoparMiningLLC]

this is also interesting - per the email attached, orders of 2 or more miners will supposedly be shipped from Malaysia - which then means no tariff, correct?

or is that meaning 200 to 500? that is my guess but he did put it as 2-500 lol

[madmartyk]

I don't know about the tariffs, I got nailed on the last batch.  But to add insult I just got a letter from the state of Illinois that I owe use tax on miners I bought in 2017.  Still waiting to see what that is going to cost me.

[minefarmbuy]

I believe the s9k might be from Malaysia but we're still waiting on confirmation but imagine it is true they are for bulk orders 200+

No word on Malaysia units but was able to get some stock for in stock units before sell out.

[philipma1957]

A lot of the gear sold out.
only these 2 left

t17 40 th for nov  1958
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190723112644806vA2EK13s0648

s17 53 th for nov 2735
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190723112227658LC9C6qfh067A

tack on 642 for shipping and trump tax the t17 40 th is 2600

tack on 865 for shipping and trump tax the s17 53 th is 3600

plus wait till nov.

there is an up side  to the nov units for a USA buyer trump tax could end or lower by nov.

making them a lower price.

I have  enough gear for today.  I will mine on.

[MoparMiningLLC]

... I have  enough gear for today.  I will mine on.

same. i would like to swap out my S9's for 17 series but at those prices the 9's will make me more money.