MintDice Bitcoin Casino - SportsBook & Provably Fair Games

[MonsterV]

Video poker shouldn't be really too far away from the roadmap if you like poker so much, I mean I kinda understand the purity of poker players wanting to keep poker clean and not make some video machine help people play "poker" because they feel like it is not even poker at that point etc etc.

This one made me laugh a bit, kind of like saying you like Bitcoin so why not just use Paypal. The only real similarity is in the "hands" apart from that it's just a 2 step slot machine really. I'm not a big gambler so these games don't interest me that much, I am looking forward to their developed skills games though. I imagine that will be a big draw, as you have the classics people seem to really like - Dice, Plinko but bringing something innovative in is what will really help generate fresh traffic, that won't be easily drawn to other sites. Whereas if you offer the same type of games as everyone else, what's really keeping people loyal for lack of a better word.

Hmm yeah, innovation is important in developing business because people will certainly look for something different and more fun. And in my opinion, developing poker does not mean not keeping purity of poker, but it only adopts a few rules from poker to be combined with other rules of the game such as slots to produce a new and innovative game. For me this is not a poker game but another game so there is no indication of polluting the purity of poker in here.

[justdimin]

What I said has nothing to do with "if you like bitcoin why not use paypal" level of idiotic response. Video poker is a valid game where people could play it, sure it is as much of a slot game as its a poker game but you do decide on which cards to keep and how many cards to ask for etc which involves some poker elements in it.

Now, poker is a very expensive and difficult game to implement, sure if you can implement it that is miiiiiles better but going by your analogy, "if you are using cash and want to one day have bitcoin, why not start upgrading from cash to paypal first then from paypal to bitcoin instead of waiting with cash to bitcoin directly" which kinda makes sense.

Video poker would be a decent addition to any website, doesn't need to exist if you don't want to but could be cool to have as well.

[Steamtyme]

If the user base on MintDice grows substantially in the near future and we begin to monetize better, we can then of course afford to hire more talent to get more games developed

Well I'm sure as those new games roll out the growth will pick up. There's something to be said for breaking up the monotony and having a fresh game to have a go at.

What I said has nothing to do with "if you like bitcoin why not use paypal" level of idiotic response.

This was an example used to show how dissimilar the 2 games are. Sorry if you misunderstood that, I won't carry on this vein though  as I'm not looking to derail this thread. My comment also wasn't about the purity of poker, there are already so many variations and new ones still being created. I'm all for innovation, and trying out new formats.

[leea-1334]

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

[veleten]

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

a new crypto sportsbook is always welcome
although I'm not sure why do you think there is no competition in this sector
there are dozens of sportsbooks out there and what do you mean by a  provably fair sportsbook? 
sportsbooks do not generate random results , they simply provide odds
in any case , Stake is opening its own sportsbooks in a couple of weeks , I guess it is going to be one of them most popular crypto sportsbooks
Mintdice is planning to open one 2020 Q1-Q2 , lets see if they are competetive

[Bitcoinislife09]

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

a new crypto sportsbook is always welcome
although I'm not sure why do you think there is no competition in this sector
there are dozens of sportsbooks out there and what do you mean by a  provably fair sportsbook? 
sportsbooks do not generate random results , they simply provide odds
in any case , Stake is opening its own sportsbooks in a couple of weeks , I guess it is going to be one of them most popular crypto sportsbooks
Mintdice is planning to open one 2020 Q1-Q2 , lets see if they are competetive

The website was so smooth to use and it was very easy to use and to register I don't encounter any problem creating my account on the website I just pick a username and my email and it needed to validate, I validate it easily and I already have a working account. Also, the website elements have a lot of missing information in the front end as an I could make this website more elegant looking, the color palette use was great and the games included in the games work very smoothly.

[FanEagle]

Sportsbook is basically "provably fair" in the sense that nobody really has any way to change the outcome but players, so the sportsbook doesn't have the control over the game and can't change anything so the game is provably fair unless players cheat which is really doubtful in the high leagues like premier league for example.

Poker however could still be done without provably fair and the request could be checked, I agree with skillsthatkills that poker is not big on crypto right now, there are less money going around even on pokerstars lately compared to 10 years ago when it was the biggest period for poker but right now it is even smaller for crypto so it doesn't really require any priority. Sportsbook would be much much better option because people have been doing that for a long time.

[theskillzdatklls]

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

A "provably fair" sportsbook is not a thing, that doesn't exist and can't exist.

The provably fair conversation only related to the games the operator offers, of which we'd only consider their poker client if we picked something at all.

We'll obviously try to make our sportsbook competitive. There's a few things that we have plans for but at the end of the day in this industry there are so many things that you can ultimately do relative to competitors.

[fullhdpixel]

We'll obviously try to make our sportsbook competitive. There's a few things that we have plans for but at the end of the day in this industry there are so many things that you can ultimately do relative to competitors.

Sportsbook is a totally game changer. There has been a lot of casinos adding sportsbooks these days, fortunejack for example is the first one that added sportsbook when they were just a casino. Now stake is working on adding as well. Mintdice as we heard from you guys from adding as well.

At the end of the deal when the casinos work hard and make a name for themselves it is much easier to add sportsbook and create some sort of safe bubble. When a new sportsbook comes out I wouldn't know if I could trust them or not, I would have no idea what to do, however at the end of the day if a great casino like fortunejack/stake/mintdice adds sportsbook then at least I know there is a trust going on there, for example mintdice is a platform that I love and trust, so why would I risk playing somewhere else.

[tranthidung]

At the end of the deal when the casinos work hard and make a name for themselves it is much easier to add sportsbook and create some sort of safe bubble. When a new sportsbook comes out I wouldn't know if I could trust them or not, I would have no idea what to do, however at the end of the day if a great casino like fortunejack/stake/mintdice adds sportsbook then at least I know there is a trust going on there, for example mintdice is a platform that I love and trust, so why would I risk playing somewhere else.

Sportsbook or not, it does not a serious matter. The truly serious matter is gambling is risky itself, and much more risky than trading or investing. You can hesitate to invest or trade but sometimes when a gambler falls in love with one game or more seriously get addicted with that game, that gambler will more easily to spend money to gamble. Uncontroled gambling mostly will cause broken-capital for gamblers.

I would prefer to use gambling, and sportbooks from old and reputable casinos, and most important thing is I don't spend too much money to gamble because I don't prepare for my serious losses with gamble. Gamble for fun and to relax and refresh my mind after long time of trading.

[bitgolden]

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.

[Zicadis]

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

[veleten]

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

A "provably fair" sportsbook is not a thing, that doesn't exist and can't exist.

The provably fair conversation only related to the games the operator offers, of which we'd only consider their poker client if we picked something at all.

We'll obviously try to make our sportsbook competitive. There's a few things that we have plans for but at the end of the day in this industry there are so many things that you can ultimately do relative to competitors.

well said , will definitely keep an eye on the progress
very interested in good crypto no KYC/no gimmicks sportsbook , really hope yours deliver
and yes , check what the competitors offer and do and try to do it better ( or not worse at the very least )
try to automate your withdrawals , I know it is easier and safer to do it manually , but it deters many gamblers from the site
I know for sure that if I'm given the choice between two sites I'd pick the one with auto withdrawals ten times out of ten

[batang_bitcoin]

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

Stay tune, no announcement yet from them but I think they're working on it right now.

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

They doesn't have to compete with other sportsbook. As much as they see the market for bookies is big, they want to try it and check if it will click since most of the bettors are also looking for a better place to bet like in sports betting.

[veleten]

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

Stay tune, no announcement yet from them but I think they're working on it right now.

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

They doesn't have to compete with other sportsbook. As much as they see the market for bookies is big, they want to try it and check if it will click since most of the bettors are also looking for a better place to bet like in sports betting.

they do have to compete , same as they compete with other casinos
you don't open a business just to try it out , you want to make profit and to do that you must know the market
the sportsbook market is stacked same as the bitcoin casinos market , but there are much fewer really good no KYC crypto sportsbooks with decent odds

[leea-1334]

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.

I sort of agree and disagree.

You do not need a sportsbook just to have the feel of a complete casino, that is for sure,,, if you do what you do very well, that alone can be what makes you different, and I can say that dice is what is done very well at the places I promote.

But on the other hand, if you are not willing to be the best at 1 thing (dice), then you can be 2nd best at a lot of things;)

[zhekinsp]

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.

I sort of agree and disagree.

You do not need a sportsbook just to have the feel of a complete casino, that is for sure,,, if you do what you do very well, that alone can be what makes you different, and I can say that dice is what is done very well at the places I promote.

But on the other hand, if you are not willing to be the best at 1 thing (dice), then you can be 2nd best at a lot of things;)

Agrees that number of games is not really important,the best example could be bustadice they are literally new compared to other rival casino sites but still managed to pick top spot on dice gambling sites on the other hand people may interested if there is multiple games available at single game so they no need to register new site for every games.

I remember that mintdice team is developing a game which is not available on any gambling sites yet so this could be a game changing point for mintdice.

[redsun114]

Adding any game would increase your revenue, it is simply marketing in disguise of a new game, there is a house edge and that house edge is mostly same everywhere and you get to play that with different games to have more fun.

Let's say you make a dice game, it is 1% house edge and you found people that gambles 10 btc a day on that dice, you then add slots and it has 1% house edge too (all depends on what you make house edge) and suddenly you have 15 btc, to you it is both just machines with 1% house edge for the casino but for the gamblers it is different game that could somehow give different results which is not true but gamblers like to change games when it gets too hot.

Finally, sportsbook is just another marketing where casino is destined to win but gives a different method of losing to gamblers.

[theskillzdatklls]

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.

Thanks a lot Bitgolden, nice thing to say
And yes, our only goal is to provide a very high quality, fair and trustworthy platform, nothing short of this.

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

There was a very big internal set back with the game earlier which delayed the launch but it's being worked on rather diligently and should be ready for backend testing soon enough. For any update we have for this game, this Bitcointalk thread will be the first to know.

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

Stay tune, no announcement yet from them but I think they're working on it right now.

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

They doesn't have to compete with other sportsbook. As much as they see the market for bookies is big, they want to try it and check if it will click since most of the bettors are also looking for a better place to bet like in sports betting.

they do have to compete , same as they compete with other casinos
you don't open a business just to try it out , you want to make profit and to do that you must know the market
the sportsbook market is stacked same as the bitcoin casinos market , but there are much fewer really good no KYC crypto sportsbooks with decent odds

It's very difficult to run a no-KYC sportsbook because this can lead to many difficult outcomes for the house. How exactly we are going to approach the sportsbook has yet to be determined. For the most part, for the time being, we are mostly working on getting situated with the proper provider and working on early development. We'll have better information about this product in 2020.

Adding any game would increase your revenue, it is simply marketing in disguise of a new game, there is a house edge and that house edge is mostly same everywhere and you get to play that with different games to have more fun.

Let's say you make a dice game, it is 1% house edge and you found people that gambles 10 btc a day on that dice, you then add slots and it has 1% house edge too (all depends on what you make house edge) and suddenly you have 15 btc, to you it is both just machines with 1% house edge for the casino but for the gamblers it is different game that could somehow give different results which is not true but gamblers like to change games when it gets too hot.

Finally, sportsbook is just another marketing where casino is destined to win but gives a different method of losing to gamblers.

That's not entirely true, it is possible to win money from a sportsbook in the long term if you are skilled enough. But you are right that having more games/offerings gives us more visibility and is a form of marketing. And of course we'll do everything we can to be a high quality website

[Zicadis]

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.

Thanks a lot Bitgolden, nice thing to say
And yes, our only goal is to provide a very high quality, fair and trustworthy platform, nothing short of this.

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

There was a very big internal set back with the game earlier which delayed the launch but it's being worked on rather diligently and should be ready for backend testing soon enough. For any update we have for this game, this Bitcointalk thread will be the first to know.

So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?

Stay tune, no announcement yet from them but I think they're working on it right now.

You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

They doesn't have to compete with other sportsbook. As much as they see the market for bookies is big, they want to try it and check if it will click since most of the bettors are also looking for a better place to bet like in sports betting.

they do have to compete , same as they compete with other casinos
you don't open a business just to try it out , you want to make profit and to do that you must know the market
the sportsbook market is stacked same as the bitcoin casinos market , but there are much fewer really good no KYC crypto sportsbooks with decent odds

It's very difficult to run a no-KYC sportsbook because this can lead to many difficult outcomes for the house. How exactly we are going to approach the sportsbook has yet to be determined. For the most part, for the time being, we are mostly working on getting situated with the proper provider and working on early development. We'll have better information about this product in 2020.

Adding any game would increase your revenue, it is simply marketing in disguise of a new game, there is a house edge and that house edge is mostly same everywhere and you get to play that with different games to have more fun.

Let's say you make a dice game, it is 1% house edge and you found people that gambles 10 btc a day on that dice, you then add slots and it has 1% house edge too (all depends on what you make house edge) and suddenly you have 15 btc, to you it is both just machines with 1% house edge for the casino but for the gamblers it is different game that could somehow give different results which is not true but gamblers like to change games when it gets too hot.

Finally, sportsbook is just another marketing where casino is destined to win but gives a different method of losing to gamblers.

That's not entirely true, it is possible to win money from a sportsbook in the long term if you are skilled enough. But you are right that having more games/offerings gives us more visibility and is a form of marketing. And of course we'll do everything we can to be a high quality website

Having said that you'd do everything within your power to maintain the quality of the website it might be worth reducing the house edge - just a useful suggestion which in my opinion will help increase traffic and lead to more loyal customers