MintDice Bitcoin Casino - SportsBook & Provably Fair Games

[barbara44]

Mintdice or any crypto casino is not a coca cola level tho? I mean coca cola is basically all around the world and even people who do not drink it knows its existence and that is what matters when you make a marketing for a company as big as that, you just want to keep reminding people that you exist and that's it.

If coca cola stopped advertising today they still would sell and yes in couple generations at max people would move to other places, yet when it comes to mintdice or any place, even the big ships like stake, if stopped and not doing anything they may end up losing their customers much MUCH faster, inside one generation, WE would move to other places. So I am not entirely sure if signature campaign is the best way to go about marketing or not.

The reality is that bitcoin in general is not known as much as some companies, look at google or apple for example, even when you want to look up bitcoin online you use google most of the time, which means they do not need the type of marketing bitcoin itself needs. Now, we are even more niche, because we are talking about a casino in bitcoin world which is a niche part of something niche, and we are talking about a new one that is not as old as some of its competitions as well. So of course, marketing will be different.

However, do not forget that even the oldest ones are doing the same sort of marketing to stay alive, so I see no problem with mintdice signature or mintdice contest or mintdice promotions because all lead to more users for mintdice and that is awesome for all of us involved, even just the gamblers.

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[sana54210]

Part of the idealistic vision is to have very compelling games that speak/advertise for themselves among users, news outlets and communities. It's also a reason we like the idea of having an investment bankroll; so that investors have a reason to want to help advertise and promote MintDice as well.

Maybe affiliate could work wonders as well? You talked about the "investment" part making the advertisement for itself since the people who invest actually has a reason to advertise the website because they want to make money as well, same goes for something like affiliate where people would make money.

I don't know the technical details of it like how much you pay and what percentage etc etc but there are websites that does affiliate networking and they do pay out and I would assume it would work for you as well. Just investment is good enough as well but adding affiliate so that people would make money from marketing the website would be a great addition to it. Or maybe it wouldn't, I am not really knowledgeable about these things but it sounded pretty decent.

[zhekinsp]

Part of the idealistic vision is to have very compelling games that speak/advertise for themselves among users, news outlets and communities. It's also a reason we like the idea of having an investment bankroll; so that investors have a reason to want to help advertise and promote MintDice as well.

Maybe affiliate could work wonders as well? You talked about the "investment" part making the advertisement for itself since the people who invest actually has a reason to advertise the website because they want to make money as well, same goes for something like affiliate where people would make money.

But I don't think any serious investor who invested huge amount may not be a part of affiliate marketing or they just don't have enough time for that so it is the responsibility of the site to make marketing to survive because more and more gambling sites are popping up everyday.

[theskillzdatklls]

Part of the idealistic vision is to have very compelling games that speak/advertise for themselves among users, news outlets and communities. It's also a reason we like the idea of having an investment bankroll; so that investors have a reason to want to help advertise and promote MintDice as well.

Maybe affiliate could work wonders as well? You talked about the "investment" part making the advertisement for itself since the people who invest actually has a reason to advertise the website because they want to make money as well, same goes for something like affiliate where people would make money.

I don't know the technical details of it like how much you pay and what percentage etc etc but there are websites that does affiliate networking and they do pay out and I would assume it would work for you as well. Just investment is good enough as well but adding affiliate so that people would make money from marketing the website would be a great addition to it. Or maybe it wouldn't, I am not really knowledgeable about these things but it sounded pretty decent.

We launched our affiliate program back in August, anyone is welcome to use it to attract new users and help themselves to profits from gambling turnover that their recruits play. We also offer higher incentive packages for anyone that wants to use our affiliate links on their websites, depending on the quality of their domains.

So, yes, the ultimate goal for us will have some amount of advertising from:
100% provably fair/transparent games and play whenever possible
High quality games
100% unique first to market games
Skill gaming
Affiliate program
Investor bankroll incentives
.... And of course our marketing efforts ourselves through the signature campaign and other methods.

As I said earlier, if I could lower marketing spend to zero, I'd love to do that and instead spend that on the website development, if it is self-sustaining. For the time being, however, spreading awareness is the least we can do. And if it helps some BitcoinTalk members along the way with sig rewards, so be it

[sana54210]

I wasn't mentioning how the investors could be affiliates, they are two different people.

One type of people is investors who just put up money into the website and financially support the website, the other one is an affiliate networker who brings in people with discounts and promotions and what not and give you extra bonuses whatever and they just get some cash back for the people who they brought and lost money. Those are two different people who help a casino in different ways, I personally think they are both very valuable for these type of casinos, hell people make millions of dollars from these two coming together.

Think about it, you have a company, ANY company and there is a guy who say that he has a customer for you that will buy something form you, another person says he will front the cost of the product, and you do basically nothing but run the company, it is a perfect combination of help and organization.

[theskillzdatklls]

While they often are different, they don't have to be different by any means. Imagine that you own 10% of the investment bankroll on MintDice. You'd by definition want the website to succeed because it would directly benefit you. You could compound your earnings then by also being an affiliate for MintDice and earning money both from recruits and by the recruits playing on the website at the exact same time as an investor.

I used to help promote many different dice websites myself in this exact same manner.

[adaseb]

Being an affiliate marketer for a bitcoin casino and being a bankroll investor are basically 2 completely different forms of profit. Usually a person does one or the other and not both.

Each of them carry a different set of risks and amount of time spent to make profit. Sure it is very easy to just provide a casino bankroll but keep in mind you are taking a huge risk if the casino goes bust, runs off with funds, some large whale cleans out the bankroll, etc. But generally there is little work involved, you just set it and forget it.

An affiliate referral marketer is more involved but less risk, generally there is little upfront cost involved. Say you just run a signature campaign with your affiliate link, all you need to do is be active on the forum, which costs you nothing but your time. Some other affiliate markets use Google organic traffic to generate visitors and those might cost some money but its generally considered low risk.

So both have each their pros and cons.

[shoreno]

Being an affiliate marketer for a bitcoin casino and being a bankroll investor are basically 2 completely different forms of profit. Usually a person does one or the other and not both.

Each of them carry a different set of risks and amount of time spent to make profit. Sure it is very easy to just provide a casino bankroll but keep in mind you are taking a huge risk if the casino goes bust, runs off with funds, some large whale cleans out the bankroll, etc. But generally there is little work involved, you just set it and forget it.

An affiliate referral marketer is more involved but less risk, generally there is little upfront cost involved. Say you just run a signature campaign with your affiliate link, all you need to do is be active on the forum, which costs you nothing but your time. Some other affiliate markets use Google organic traffic to generate visitors and those might cost some money but its generally considered low risk.

So both have each their pros and cons.

true both are different acts but both have the same agenda and that is to provide a profit  .

why do one when you can always do both ? in that way you can earn double profits   . afliate one is not risky but less likely that your going to profit because its not easy to find a people that can sign under your links but investing is always risky as it involves money but  im sure that people will more likely invest than do an affliate because ive been on there before  .

[zhekinsp]

Sure it is very easy to just provide a casino bankroll but keep in mind you are taking a huge risk if the casino goes bust, runs off with funds, some large whale cleans out the bankroll, etc. But generally there is little work involved, you just set it and forget it.

Investment always comes with the risk but bankroll investment on a casino comparatively has less risk of goes bankrupt, only thing we need to see before investing huge amount on casino is their reputation and duration of their existence also so you can avoid your fun theft.

[leea-1334]

Being an affiliate marketer for a bitcoin casino and being a bankroll investor are basically 2 completely different forms of profit. Usually a person does one or the other and not both.

Not only that. One means investing time and effort, one means investing actual money. I would say the risk is far far bigger in the bankroll investing.

I have had experience in this, and when profits are good, you benefit, but you have to be patient to allow losses to recover because there will always be times when players win big against the casino. But you are right you have to absolutely place trust, if you even have one doubt, do not invest. Keeping money in someone else's pocket is bad enough as a risk but with no insurance whatsoever?

[veleten]

Being an affiliate marketer for a bitcoin casino and being a bankroll investor are basically 2 completely different forms of profit. Usually a person does one or the other and not both.

Not only that. One means investing time and effort, one means investing actual money. I would say the risk is far far bigger in the bankroll investing.

I have had experience in this, and when profits are good, you benefit, but you have to be patient to allow losses to recover because there will always be times when players win big against the casino. But you are right you have to absolutely place trust, if you even have one doubt, do not invest. Keeping money in someone else's pocket is bad enough as a risk but with no insurance whatsoever?

actually , not true ( the bolded statement ) - I do both on one of the casinos , it is not something either or
if you are an affiliate marketer , you bring players to a site and can earn from their commission at the same time profiting from the bankroll investment as well
and reinvesting your commission into bankroll is a good idea because you are gambling with a house advantage on your side
I used to promote other casinos as well but they do not offer investments , or I would have done the same there
it is a matter if you trust this particular casino to make profit for you as an investor and be ready to keep your coins locked for a long period of time
you got to have enough liquidity to be able to spend money on ads and not withdraw your profit immediately

[Quidat]

Being an affiliate marketer for a bitcoin casino and being a bankroll investor are basically 2 completely different forms of profit. Usually a person does one or the other and not both.

Not only that. One means investing time and effort, one means investing actual money. I would say the risk is far far bigger in the bankroll investing.

I have had experience in this, and when profits are good, you benefit, but you have to be patient to allow losses to recover because there will always be times when players win big against the casino. But you are right you have to absolutely place trust, if you even have one doubt, do not invest. Keeping money in someone else's pocket is bad enough as a risk but with no insurance whatsoever?

actually , not true ( the bolded statement ) - I do both on one of the casinos , it is not something either or
if you are an affiliate marketer , you bring players to a site and can earn from their commission at the same time profiting from the bankroll investment as well
and reinvesting your commission into bankroll is a good idea because you are gambling with a house advantage on your side
I used to promote other casinos as well but they do not offer investments , or I would have done the same there
it is a matter if you trust this particular casino to make profit for you as an investor and be ready to keep your coins locked for a long period of time
you got to have enough liquidity to be able to spend money on ads and not withdraw your profit immediately

+1 to this. If you are an investor you would really think off this way on where you do benefit out on both things but youve been thinking mainly with your
on sites investment yet you are willing to spend those money on playing to the site rather than keeping or saving up those referral earnings.
We know that sites returns arent really that big thats why i wont consider that kind of option in my part.

[sana54210]

I wasn't talking about the difference in the way adaseb mentioned. I just meant "being an investor doesn't mean you are bringing people or you need to do anything about it", I mean an investors job is to keep the bankroll afloat and that's it, affiliate marketer only makes money when someone plays specifically, that x person you invited here has to play in order for the affiliate to make money, whereas investor doesn't have to invite anyone, he can win by others inviting others and loses money.

So, they do have the same intentions, I mean they both want people to come here and lose money so they share a result but that doesn't equal to them working the same amount. That is all I wanted to share, they are not totally different but they are definitely not the same neither.

[leea-1334]

I wasn't talking about the difference in the way adaseb mentioned. I just meant "being an investor doesn't mean you are bringing people or you need to do anything about it", I mean an investors job is to keep the bankroll afloat and that's it, affiliate marketer only makes money when someone plays specifically, that x person you invited here has to play in order for the affiliate to make money, whereas investor doesn't have to invite anyone, he can win by others inviting others and loses money.

So, they do have the same intentions, I mean they both want people to come here and lose money so they share a result but that doesn't equal to them working the same amount. That is all I wanted to share, they are not totally different but they are definitely not the same neither.

Yeah, also what I sort of said above. I look at myself as a bankroll investor and I compare to those I know do affiliate marketing and we are completely and totally different. For the site I promote in my signature, yes, this used to be a dual nature since I naturally promote the site (and in fact even have quite a number of referrals just by wearing the signature and I guess people click from it),,, while they still had a public bankroll I was also investing in it.

But the other sites I invest in,,, absolutely do not advertise for. And those affiliates I know who advertise, they absolutely have no intention to invest. But anyway, same different same, right?

[coinfinger]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

[zhekinsp]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

Building reputation is one sign of a legit site but even for that marketing is needed so they are spending what they can afford for it.But as a player just see the experience while gambling then you will feel better compared to most other sites.

[davinchi]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

I feel like affiliate marketer is investing something more valuable than money, they are investing time. Time is not something you could make back, spending 20-30 hours to get more affiliates and earn money equals to your life having 20-30 less hours you didn't do something you enjoyed, if we all had millions of dollars in our bank account, not too rich to become billionaires and be super busy with stuff all the time but rich enough (like 4 million dollars in savings account, all liquid assets) to not care we would all spend our times enjoying life instead of working and do stuff we want to do instead of we have to do, so that 20-30 hours is not possible to make back.

If you invest money and lose, worst case scenario you could make it back some other way, but you can never take your time back so I feel like affiliate marketers are doing something much more important.

[Zicadis]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

I feel like affiliate marketer is investing something more valuable than money, they are investing time. Time is not something you could make back, spending 20-30 hours to get more affiliates and earn money equals to your life having 20-30 less hours you didn't do something you enjoyed, if we all had millions of dollars in our bank account, not too rich to become billionaires and be super busy with stuff all the time but rich enough (like 4 million dollars in savings account, all liquid assets) to not care we would all spend our times enjoying life instead of working and do stuff we want to do instead of we have to do, so that 20-30 hours is not possible to make back.

If you invest money and lose, worst case scenario you could make it back some other way, but you can never take your time back so I feel like affiliate marketers are doing something much more important.

From a much different perspective, the perspective of relatively I agree with you in that time is one of the most valuable things in the world and no money eclipses it in comparison. In this case affiliate marketer is in my opinion something not quite as described above as this is the job these people chose for themselves so the empathy is not quite on the same scale. Also, if you work well and with good projects your chances of wasting your time are much reduced.

[batang_bitcoin]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

Is it necessary to know how much cost they have for marketing, staff and etc? I don't think it's very essential for a customer to know things like these. This is a confidential on their side, what's important is they are responding to the community they are building and satisfying each and every one of us.

[zhekinsp]

I think having a community manager is one of the big costs of many casinos and mintdice never required it because theskillzdatklls (lol) never let us be and he helped us out all the time, we don't really know what costs they have in staff, we know there must be some costs technologically of course but we don't know who is in the team and how much people are paid and what other casinos pay to compare neither however at the same time we all know that they have been doing marketing properly so far, they have been doing proper games as well, they have been doing whatever they have done properly which shows how legit they are.

There is no way we can't trust and like mintdice because they have done more for their community than any other casino I have ever seen.

I feel like affiliate marketer is investing something more valuable than money, they are investing time. Time is not something you could make back, spending 20-30 hours to get more affiliates and earn money equals to your life having 20-30 less hours you didn't do something you enjoyed, if we all had millions of dollars in our bank account, not too rich to become billionaires and be super busy with stuff all the time but rich enough (like 4 million dollars in savings account, all liquid assets) to not care we would all spend our times enjoying life instead of working and do stuff we want to do instead of we have to do, so that 20-30 hours is not possible to make back.

If you invest money and lose, worst case scenario you could make it back some other way, but you can never take your time back so I feel like affiliate marketers are doing something much more important.

Still they are doing it for money by investing their time rather than money as their capital.Affiliate marketing is kind of smart marketing strategies because they are not going to pay anything from their pockets they are only giving small part from the total profits.If there is no profit for the house the marketer also will not get anything.Agree that time is important but when we don't have money we have to find an alternative source which is the time.