MintDice Bitcoin Casino - SportsBook & Provably Fair Games

[CaVO32]

^^ The reality is that many people live in third world nations where even 1 dollar a day is a decent income, 30 dollars a month may not be good enough to live off from but it would certainly help them a long way as well, so to abuse the faucets is actually a decent way to make money for many of them.

So, I do understand them, they want just a small amount of money to make a living for themselves, however the method they are doing it is actually could be considered criminal, it is against the rules of the website and you can't just take their money without their permission even if it "looks like" you are doing something you are allowed to do. That is why I don't blame all the casinos that removed their faucets, if people don't use it properly, they don't deserve it all together.

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

[hd49728]

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

[ReiMomo]

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

Faucet is good for testing the gambling platform only but if you are looking forward to the money that might you get, you might be wrong.
It needs to have at least 1 transaction of deposit before you can allow withdrawing the faucet even your faucet claim reached 1BTC.(which is impossible) Afterall, the faucet is good to lure gambler and will stay on site.

[theskillzdatklls]

^^ The reality is that many people live in third world nations where even 1 dollar a day is a decent income, 30 dollars a month may not be good enough to live off from but it would certainly help them a long way as well, so to abuse the faucets is actually a decent way to make money for many of them.

So, I do understand them, they want just a small amount of money to make a living for themselves, however the method they are doing it is actually could be considered criminal, it is against the rules of the website and you can't just take their money without their permission even if it "looks like" you are doing something you are allowed to do. That is why I don't blame all the casinos that removed their faucets, if people don't use it properly, they don't deserve it all together.

We, to date, actually have no problem with real people using our faucet which gives out a very healthy 100 satoshis per use. We have a problem with bots using our site, which we'll fight against until either we win or the bots win and we shut it down ( so far we're winning )

If real people want to use our faucet regularly, play in a non-abusive and friendly manner and chat and all that good stuff, they are more than welcome to not deposit and use the faucet and one day withdraw as far as we are concerned.

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

[arwin100]

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

Faucet is good for testing the gambling platform only but if you are looking forward to the money that might you get, you might be wrong.
It needs to have at least 1 transaction of deposit before you can allow withdrawing the faucet even your faucet claim reached 1BTC.(which is impossible) Afterall, the faucet is good to lure gambler and will stay on site.

If dev of this site want implement that for people to test their sit then it's good but if this option abused by some crazy bettors then it's another story then better to take this off and have another option like putting some test money for fair testing and abuse free site. But it's up to the owners decision on what is the counteraction they do since it's really good thing to have those option since actually it's certainly helpful for stretching up when betting.

[darewaller]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

[batang_bitcoin]

Just use play money or have some promos for your loyal members.

This is a good suggestion and might be a good alternative to fight those faucet abusers. If there's no choice, this could be the last option so these abusers will stopped what they do with the faucet abuse on mintdice.

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

Also, a good option to use rains instead of faucets and hoping that no more abusing will be found.

[josephdd1]

Just use play money or have some promos for your loyal members.

This is a good suggestion and might be a good alternative to fight those faucet abusers. If there's no choice, this could be the last option so these abusers will stopped what they do with the faucet abuse on mintdice.

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

Also, a good option to use rains instead of faucets and hoping that no more abusing will be found.

Even so guys, this faucet abuse you're talking about there's no real benefit for players to use it other than just gaining insight about the games. So, even if there's a few people relying on the faucets the amounts are not enough to withdraw or play games where you can win for real money etc. And if the faucets are not built with these strategies in mind then rather than limiting the potential number of future customers by removing the faucets like you lot suggest which won't be sustainable not to mention that it won't look good on the casino, why not instead use the technology available to limit the power of the faucets in the way I mentioned above? This is something other casinos do btw

[theskillzdatklls]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

We already have play money in our faucet too. It gets used a surprisingly large amount. We might gamify it's value down the road as well later.

[Shasha80]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

I agree with you, indeed the average gambling site provides faucets or freecoins not to be collected. But for try playing on the site.
I experienced it myself, there are several gambling sites after I tried playing with freecoins capital apparently the system is quite fair
in my opinion. And I immediately without hesitation made a deposit to play gambling on the site. So I also plan to start gambling on
the mintdice site starting with faucets first.

[virasog]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

I agree with you, indeed the average gambling site provides faucets or freecoins not to be collected. But for try playing on the site.
I experienced it myself, there are several gambling sites after I tried playing with freecoins capital apparently the system is quite fair
in my opinion. And I immediately without hesitation made a deposit to play gambling on the site. So I also plan to start gambling on
the mintdice site starting with faucets first.

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

[panjul07]

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

[virasog]

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

Didn't understand you. Even if they deposit, they will not be able to claim the faucet because their balance is not zero. If they keep on using the faucet money and losing it and reclaiming, there is nothing wrong in that as the money is returned to he casino.
Making multiple accounts is one thing which can be controlled by KYC or checking the IPs etc.

[JohnBitCo]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

We already have play money in our faucet too. It gets used a surprisingly large amount. We might gamify it's value down the road as well later.

If the faucet is paying nice and good amount like MintDice, then only because of the abusers this service should not be stopped. Rather steps should be taken to minimize the faucet abusers and encourage good use of faucet by the genuine gamblers.

[mirrasel]

These type of games are too much addictive 

[RealMalatesta]

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

I agree with you, indeed the average gambling site provides faucets or freecoins not to be collected. But for try playing on the site.
I experienced it myself, there are several gambling sites after I tried playing with freecoins capital apparently the system is quite fair
in my opinion. And I immediately without hesitation made a deposit to play gambling on the site. So I also plan to start gambling on
the mintdice site starting with faucets first.

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Maybe they are already doing this however the fact that even when it is zero balance that claims it, bots are the big trouble. So, in order to stop bots you try to find a way to stop the automatic claims and all that, which could be made by limiting the max you can claim back to back, not the first few but lets say a dude is claiming for the first time, that is instant, the second one should be a minute after, the third should be 3 minutes later, the fo.. basically it gets exponential but after one hour of no claiming, it resets back to instant and all the way to start, that way you can make sure people can claim only a certain amount in a day and won't be able to automatically claim constantly, it also would make sure no bots could claim back to back neither since it will take some time in between.

[batang_bitcoin]

Even so guys, this faucet abuse you're talking about there's no real benefit for players to use it other than just gaining insight about the games. So, even if there's a few people relying on the faucets the amounts are not enough to withdraw or play games where you can win for real money etc. And if the faucets are not built with these strategies in mind then rather than limiting the potential number of future customers by removing the faucets like you lot suggest which won't be sustainable not to mention that it won't look good on the casino, why not instead use the technology available to limit the power of the faucets in the way I mentioned above? This is something other casinos do btw

If there's no benefit for them, they wouldn't abuse but since they are abusing the system, there's something that they gain from doing that. They do that on purpose and that's why skillz and team are now testing something that might eradicate the abusers or if not, reduce them at least.

[theskillzdatklls]

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

Panjul is the most correct here.

Our faucet rate limits people to a certain number of claims per minute, hour and day.

The most sophisticated abuser we've dealt with on many occasions has set up a system whereby they use multiple accounts, VPN/IP masking and other obfuscation techniques to make it such that when any faucet amount is busted it automatically switches to a new account to run that amount up until one day it makes money. They try to bypass our standard security measures.

But we viewed this as a challenge to stop his progression and after each of his attacks, our system gets stronger each time. His last attack was 3-4 weeks ago I believe and as of yet, he hasn't been able to break our newest system. But he's come back before, may well come back again some time soon.

[josephdd1]

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

Panjul is the most correct here.

Our faucet rate limits people to a certain number of claims per minute, hour and day.

The most sophisticated abuser we've dealt with on many occasions has set up a system whereby they use multiple accounts, VPN/IP masking and other obfuscation techniques to make it such that when any faucet amount is busted it automatically switches to a new account to run that amount up until one day it makes money. They try to bypass our standard security measures.

But we viewed this as a challenge to stop his progression and after each of his attacks, our system gets stronger each time. His last attack was 3-4 weeks ago I believe and as of yet, he hasn't been able to break our newest system. But he's come back before, may well come back again some time soon.

This is interesting, having a hacker hack your system to make use or 'abuse' your faucet is something I'd probably not boost about as much. I understand that hackers are always trying, but people on here, I suppose as anywhere else, expect to have some sort of safety and even if the system as you say gets updated to deal with these attacks I believe this should happen anyway and get so strong that these hackers stand no chance. Now, this is something you should boost about 

[bearexin]

Do we know the investors say in this? I don't know if the faucet is given away from the investors money or the casinos own money so I can't really say anything specific about it.

However, if it is just the casinos money then it would be obvious that casino itself will find a way anyway, they are currently saying they are winning against the abusers so there is nothing to worry about and they are actually doing the right thing for themselves, if they are the ones paying for it, why would we worry about it, they will definitely find the correct way. But if the investors are paying for it, a bit of things change in that scenario, maybe there could be some sort of referendum where investors could decide what should be done about it since it is their money involved.