MintDice Bitcoin Casino - SportsBook & Provably Fair Games

[MintDiceSara]

Do you have any logs regarding the total payout, and estimated payout amounts for investors?

I've scrolled through the site, but can't seem to find it.

I'm talking about something like this, ideally available somewhere on the site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2445163.0

Thanks!

Have you checked the FAQ section on investing? Have a look and let me know if it covers what you're looking for.
https://mintdice.com/faq/investing

We also have a thread here on Bitcointalk about investing with us. Check it out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152031.0

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[theskillzdatklls]

Do we know the investors say in this? I don't know if the faucet is given away from the investors money or the casinos own money so I can't really say anything specific about it.

However, if it is just the casinos money then it would be obvious that casino itself will find a way anyway, they are currently saying they are winning against the abusers so there is nothing to worry about and they are actually doing the right thing for themselves, if they are the ones paying for it, why would we worry about it, they will definitely find the correct way. But if the investors are paying for it, a bit of things change in that scenario, maybe there could be some sort of referendum where investors could decide what should be done about it since it is their money involved.

This was asked earlier and the investors to not fund the faucet, MintDice does. The investors only profit or lose from the actions of gamblers with the casino games, so they have nothing to worry about from this angle.

The real surprising thing here is that, if a person is capable of doing something like this for a faucet, how much developing skill does he have that goes unused? I mean we are talking about a guy who built a software that tries the faucet automatically, then if he busts switches the account and IP/VPN to try another account and continues as long as possible until he actually abuses the faucet, now that is some software developing skills right there, I personally wouldn't know how to do that and I have been a web developer for years! So we are talking about a guy who could use these kinds of skills he has on something much more productive instead of destructive and could make a decent amount of money, yet he uses his powers for evil and not for good, which is shocking.

I largely agree with this. Sometimes doing stupid things like this I just wonder why not spend your time being productive. But it doesn't matter what actually makes sense since the problem does in fact exist.

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

Don't let faucet abusers to withdraw, problem solved. Only allow to withdraw if the player deposited and wagered the same coins. The other way to fight abusers is, making the claim amount so little so it will be impossible to make big money. (like 1 satoshi) I don't see any other way.

Not letting them withdraw is easier said than done. And it's always better to stop the problem at the source if possible.

[theskillzdatklls]

Do you have any logs regarding the total payout, and estimated payout amounts for investors?

I've scrolled through the site, but can't seem to find it.

I'm talking about something like this, ideally available somewhere on the site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2445163.0

Thanks!

We don't have any published logs for investor payout. Given the rather large size of our investor bankroll and relatively small gambling volume, our investor payouts are not very impressive for the time being. We hope to change this with our upcoming game launches which we hope will drive more traffic to the website. With more gambling turnover, we could start a thread or log which updates investors with historical incomes.

creating account for what . to farm faucet ? that still useless imo because the amount that they can claim is not going to be worth it to gamble . they will only loose this before making it big .  increasing the wd threshold can also be a fix to these so that abusers will having a hard time to grind using free money  . besides if they really want to go here just to use the faucet , why not try the actual faucet  . actual faucets dont have restrictions  . they can claim unlimitedly aswell   .

You need to complete faucet task for 1000+ times to reach minimum withdrawal time even if you do there won't be anything left out after the transaction fee got paid but in gambling they can directly gamble with that claimed amount so they can have chances of multiplying and can withdraw it with no restrictions.So which is simple for the abusers?

The will to try and take advantages are always inside the minds of abusers, to whatever extent they are trying to compensate if the chance
is there for sure they will do the best that they can. It's tough since the site have restrictions but taking chances and finding some luck gives
gamblers desire to take the risk and efforts.

Most of multi account abusers will get caught at the time of withdrawals and in mintdice transactions are approved manually so chances ae less here for abusers.

As per my experience, all my withdrawals were processed instantly as I got it almost in less than a minute. How could you say that all withdrawals are approved manually? Afaik it was, but it is not approved manually since some time ago. Abusers do not care about how the withdrawal will be processed, they will only care about the chance of making money without spending any money then they will always try.

Withdrawals are not all created equal. There are many checks that are done automatically to determine whether or not to send them to automatic processing or manual. If you are being processed automatically each time, it probably is probably because our machine likes you

Faucet abuse, however, would lead someone to manual queue for example.

Where can I find the provably fair tab? When I clicked on someone else's bet, it showed the verification. However, there is no way I can set my own client seed. How do I know this provably fair system is fair if I can't even set my own client seed? The server can easily make up results and fake a client seed that I couldn't even choose. I looked on their help pages, and they provided an open source verification program. But then again, if the server can invent any client seed then the program does no good.

If you can't set your own client seed then the game is NOT provably fair.

You can change your client seed under the provably fair tab under your account settings.

As far as visibility goes, we posted this a while back but it could be implemented better (and it will be), but we do have everything posted.

On our FAQ you can see the repos anywhere, for example, dice:
https://mintdice.com/faq/casino-games/dice/where-can-i-verify-my-results/
On that link you'll find a link to this:
https://jsfiddle.net/MintDice/hz7x6r42/

If you have any further questions please let me know.

[domarakooth]

 You guys are forgetting the fact that a person can do this multiple times every single day via an automatic bot. I mean we are not talking about someone dealing with this by hand, he probably just gets a small machine like rasberry or whatever and he puts the bot in there and let the machine do the work. So it doesn't really take any time for that person, he doesn't even have to check, all he has to do is build a bot that will do whatever it takes to make money and if it ever reaches a point that it can withdraw, it just sends it to his wallet, so he literally never has to even look at it as long as it really works. Sure maybe he doesn't achieve what he wants and I hope he never achieves it (from what mintdice mentioned they don't achieve it) but it's definitely not taking that much time after the first build is made.

I completely see your point but even if someone was to aim for such a high level abuse then don't you think that maybe this can be monitored from the casino's side. Like only allow withdrawals from deposits or wins. This of course will require regulation from within about where each player's money is coming from but I feel that perhaps the best solution is to tackle it from within. It won't be cheap though it will deal with all of these problems once and for all

It has been a common thing for years from the scammers or basically anyone who makes money in any way that is against the rules to "play stupid" and try to get their money back.

I remember few months ago (or maybe over a year now, I can't remember) there was an account that kept on asking for his money back that he lost because "his kid gambled, and not him" from another casino. That was literally the explanation for it, dude literally said he wasn't responsible for the loss because it was his kid that lost the money and not him, so in theory on his mind that meant equal to someone else gambling from his account like a hacked account since he wasn't the one gambling from his own account. That is literally the level people are willing to go down to make their money back.

[rexxarofmoknathal]

Is there any way to verify the fairness of your bets on this site?

I've scrolled through the site and can't find any way to directly verify the betting seeds.

Also, what's the house edge here?

[theskillzdatklls]

Is there any way to verify the fairness of your bets on this site?

I've scrolled through the site and can't find any way to directly verify the betting seeds.

Also, what's the house edge here?

On our FAQ you can see the repos anywhere, for example, dice:
https://mintdice.com/faq/casino-games/dice/where-can-i-verify-my-results/
On that link you'll find a link to this:
https://jsfiddle.net/MintDice/hz7x6r42/

We'll improve this on the 2.0 update to make it more visible.

As far as the house edge, it is 1-2% depending on the game type.

[batang_bitcoin]

I honestly think that mintdice doesn't seem to update their system because we do not understand when they do something and when they don't. I mean a regular visitor could never know how they are trying to stop a person from doing that aformentioned ip switch for a bot that abuses the faucet, that is not something you can clearly "see" with your own eyes, plus website doesn't have to go offline in order to make that kind of improvements, it could be back to back implements from a test server which takes like couple seconds at most. They already said they are winning the battle already so there is no point on assuming they are still forced to improve, if they are winning then they could just let it be and it would be the end of it since there is no more enemy.

You are right that casinos can update even without going offline but if it is needed, then they have to do preventive measure by going offline for the updates.
As mentioned, they are already on the upcoming update of 2.0 so basically all of the questions you have will be answered once the update is done.

[barbara44]

^^Is there any ETA on the 2.0 version? We have heard about it for a while now and I can't wait! . I know I have liked every single thing mintdice has done so far and when you increase the expectations like that, it is very very difficult for you guys.

Like you could make a pretty decent update and I could still be disappointing, why? Because I am expecting the worlds from you so if you do even a decent one, that wouldn't be enough to keep me happy at this point, lol. All jokes aside, your track record makes people be more hyped about a crypto casino update than needed be, I am not 100% sure whats being developed neither so I don't even know what to expect or what type of improvements there will be, so I simply just assume this awesome website was just the 1.0 and we are going to get something even more awesome, don't think any further than that.

[theskillzdatklls]

^^Is there any ETA on the 2.0 version? We have heard about it for a while now and I can't wait! . I know I have liked every single thing mintdice has done so far and when you increase the expectations like that, it is very very difficult for you guys.

Like you could make a pretty decent update and I could still be disappointing, why? Because I am expecting the worlds from you so if you do even a decent one, that wouldn't be enough to keep me happy at this point, lol. All jokes aside, your track record makes people be more hyped about a crypto casino update than needed be, I am not 100% sure whats being developed neither so I don't even know what to expect or what type of improvements there will be, so I simply just assume this awesome website was just the 1.0 and we are going to get something even more awesome, don't think any further than that.

The original ETA was late April but that was pushed back a month to late May / early June. Development is hard But a lot of quality progress is being made. I said it earlier but I'll try to show some of the details on here soon enough.

Thanks for the interest and kind words Barbara.

[bearexin]

The original ETA was late April but that was pushed back a month to late May / early June. Development is hard But a lot of quality progress is being made. I said it earlier but I'll try to show some of the details on here soon enough.

There is really no need to call for a 2.0 quicker because that is just putting pressure against the developers that we wouldn't want to happen. Developers are dealing with technology which is a fragile thing, every single line of code could have insane number of wrong inputs if you rush it without really doing your due diligence, so every single line of code has to be taken care of like a baby and make sure it will be proper.

If you rush the developers, you are going to get a new system that is filled with bugs and problems because there was not enough time to beta test it and troubleshoot it as well, on top of that sometimes a code that works perfectly on many computers, could have a problem with a very old one for example, 1000 people can use it without a problem when one computer could have a huge one. So let them work, let them do whatever they want and their own time, when the time is right they will publish it for sure.

[RealMalatesta]

The original ETA was late April but that was pushed back a month to late May / early June. Development is hard But a lot of quality progress is being made. I said it earlier but I'll try to show some of the details on here soon enough.

I think the best course of action would be sharing some sort of pictures for example? I mean surely it is your own decision to share it or not because even if you share, from now to May/June you may have some sort of changes depending on what you add or remove so if you show a picture now and then do changes the real update could look different than the picture you show and that may upset some people who really like the picture but not like the end result maybe?

So in the end, it will be your decision but I feel like showing some sort of examples of the new version in some marketing effort could be hyped about and could increase the excitement in people. Like I said, you are the owner and the creator so it will be your decision, I have never managed a casino before in my life and I could be wrong.

[nydiacaskey01]

If you rush the developers, you are going to get a new system that is filled with bugs and problems because there was not enough time to beta test it and troubleshoot it as well, on top of that sometimes a code that works perfectly on many computers, could have a problem with a very old one for example, 1000 people can use it without a problem when one computer could have a huge one. So let them work, let them do whatever they want and their own time, when the time is right they will publish it for sure.

This is true, in any aspect, if you do everything in rush, something terrible will happen. Quality work takes time so if we want better service from mintdice, lets all be patient and wait for the updates. Imagine this, you aske the construction manager to finish your house in  days. In the side if the contractors, since they want to finish everything ahead of schedule, they will work for it and wait for payday to come.

[josephdd1]

If you rush the developers, you are going to get a new system that is filled with bugs and problems because there was not enough time to beta test it and troubleshoot it as well, on top of that sometimes a code that works perfectly on many computers, could have a problem with a very old one for example, 1000 people can use it without a problem when one computer could have a huge one. So let them work, let them do whatever they want and their own time, when the time is right they will publish it for sure.

This is true, in any aspect, if you do everything in rush, something terrible will happen. Quality work takes time so if we want better service from mintdice, lets all be patient and wait for the updates. Imagine this, you aske the construction manager to finish your house in  days. In the side if the contractors, since they want to finish everything ahead of schedule, they will work for it and wait for payday to come.

This is why deadlines are in place, it keeps both the team focused and on track, while the customers have a clear outline for when to be expecting things. Simple really!

[theskillzdatklls]

The original ETA was late April but that was pushed back a month to late May / early June. Development is hard But a lot of quality progress is being made. I said it earlier but I'll try to show some of the details on here soon enough.

I think the best course of action would be sharing some sort of pictures for example? I mean surely it is your own decision to share it or not because even if you share, from now to May/June you may have some sort of changes depending on what you add or remove so if you show a picture now and then do changes the real update could look different than the picture you show and that may upset some people who really like the picture but not like the end result maybe?

So in the end, it will be your decision but I feel like showing some sort of examples of the new version in some marketing effort could be hyped about and could increase the excitement in people. Like I said, you are the owner and the creator so it will be your decision, I have never managed a casino before in my life and I could be wrong.

I'll try to see if I can release some pictures of it tomorrow. It will be quite the project as there will be nearly a year's worth of work that will have gone into it once it's ready.

[arisatox]

is there any information or update on the risk free investment that was mentioned in the investment section of these forums?

[Rodeo02]

is there any information or update on the risk free investment that was mentioned in the investment section of these forums?

Sorry i think you ask it in the wrong thread ?

Or else you are asking about investing in gambling websites? I dont think there is an investment that risk free there is always a risk investing and its always part of any kind of investment you want to start.

[wozzek23]

If you rush the developers, you are going to get a new system that is filled with bugs and problems because there was not enough time to beta test it and troubleshoot it as well, on top of that sometimes a code that works perfectly on many computers, could have a problem with a very old one for example, 1000 people can use it without a problem when one computer could have a huge one. So let them work, let them do whatever they want and their own time, when the time is right they will publish it for sure.

This is true, in any aspect, if you do everything in rush, something terrible will happen. Quality work takes time so if we want better service from mintdice, lets all be patient and wait for the updates. Imagine this, you aske the construction manager to finish your house in  days. In the side if the contractors, since they want to finish everything ahead of schedule, they will work for it and wait for payday to come.

I think even deadlines are not that important since if developers can't really finish it by the deadline they will be forced to make it quicker, even if they miss their deadline in the end they are going to try to rush what they are doing after the deadline so that they can finish as quick as possible to be not too overdue.

I think it was Douglas Adams who said "I love deadlines, I love the wooshing sound they make when they go by", that should be the notion here, developers are the only ones who can know whats going on and how they should do what, let them be, if it is another 6 months required, give them another 6 months, if it is another year, give them another year. The house at it is current stage is cool enough for me honestly and I wouldn't mind waiting for a better version rather than get a bugged and lagged new version.

[perfect999]

@theskillzdatklls, you are not really helping yourself there mate . I mean if you pump up something as something huge there are only 3 things that will happen afterwards.

First is people will get hyped, and the more hyped they get the more things they will want to know and the quicker they will want to have it, think about another person telling you there is this awesome amazing thing coming soon but doesn't tell you when it is, you would feel impatient wouldn't you?

Second one, if you make it sound like this all the time when the real update happens, even if it is "good" and I mean really good, people might be disappointed because they are now imagining a spaceship going to mars to gamble against martians for the life of humanity. The last thing would be the update actually being good and well received, which I hope what will happen.

[theskillzdatklls]

is there any information or update on the risk free investment that was mentioned in the investment section of these forums?

This is a feature we want to release but it a relatively low priority task on our development list so I don't expect it to come out any time in the near future. Honestly, if things go well, I'd expect to be able to launch this in 2021-2022. Until then, we are one of the few remaining casinos that offer the standard casino bankroll investment option, which does come with risk.

@theskillzdatklls, you are not really helping yourself there mate . I mean if you pump up something as something huge there are only 3 things that will happen afterwards.

First is people will get hyped, and the more hyped they get the more things they will want to know and the quicker they will want to have it, think about another person telling you there is this awesome amazing thing coming soon but doesn't tell you when it is, you would feel impatient wouldn't you?

Second one, if you make it sound like this all the time when the real update happens, even if it is "good" and I mean really good, people might be disappointed because they are now imagining a spaceship going to mars to gamble against martians for the life of humanity. The last thing would be the update actually being good and well received, which I hope what will happen.

Our graphics are not going to be changing in any major way, but our UI/UX will be. Our home page and user interface across the website will change. Along with mobile compatibility, a sports book and the release of a few brand new to market games. Development progress has been very strong but it is a fairly major project. With any luck, hopefully our timelines will be realistic and we can launch the games soon.

I have a number of screens that I can share but I'll leave it at two of them for now:

BitRocket (Desktop version):



Slots (Mobile version):

[perfect999]

Alright, not gonna lie I want to repeat myself, you are really not helping yourself. With these pictures now I am even more hyped!

I am also very very hyped about the mobile version as well, do you have any idea if there is any limits on what mobile phones can play, I know some websites say that ANY website can play it as long as they can go on online and visit websites but I have an iphone 5 and sometimes even watching a youtube video (if too high quality) becomes a bit of a trouble so I wanted to learn if there is like any issues there, have you tested it on different phones for beta so far?

I really really hope I can play it on my phone, it would take my morning route a lot more fun when I am going to work, when I am coming back usually I am too tired to play anything but in the mornings this would be amazing.