Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[niothor]

^ I just love how this post is going to be teared apart by the anti nazi warriors on this forum

It's too long.  

I can see it broken in bits and bits and milliBTC by bryant .

Edit... I was wrong ^

[wizby]

yes yes... RT is spreading only "true"... right... it's time to isolate ruSSia completely... please tell me how government was taken by force in ukraine? which people want federalization? native ukrainians or putin tourists? and please tel me how so called federalization will fix everything instantly? or will it be like crimea all over again?

Sorry, armed overtake of key government positions in Kiev with overthrow of a legitimately elected president is not taking government by force. My bad. I'll update the dictionaries of the world.

No, it will not fix stuff immediately, but in a multi-national state, with differences of views in different regions a federal state works better. If you don't want to look at Russian Federation, look at Germany, Austria, tiny Switzerland, United States, to name a few.

Who wants it? Let it be decided by a referendum, last I checked that what the protesters are asking for.

Attempts to isolate Russia have been done before, often before calls to invade and subjugate Russia. It never ended well, but warmongers seldom learn.

pics or didn't happened of ARMED overtake? as far as i remember armed with fire weapons were only police (ruSSian fsb mainly) forces and was shooting to unarmed protesters...

[247crypto]

Disarmament on road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-c1sUyf1PA

[Nemo1024]

yes yes... RT is spreading only "true"... right... it's time to isolate ruSSia completely... please tell me how government was taken by force in ukraine? which people want federalization? native ukrainians or putin tourists? and please tel me how so called federalization will fix everything instantly? or will it be like crimea all over again?

Sorry, armed overtake of key government positions in Kiev with overthrow of a legitimately elected president is not taking government by force. My bad. I'll update the dictionaries of the world.

No, it will not fix stuff immediately, but in a multi-national state, with differences of views in different regions a federal state works better. If you don't want to look at Russian Federation, look at Germany, Austria, tiny Switzerland, United States, to name a few.

Who wants it? Let it be decided by a referendum, last I checked that what the protesters are asking for.

Attempts to isolate Russia have been done before, often before calls to invade and subjugate Russia. It never ended well, but warmongers seldom learn.

pics or didn't happened of ARMED overtake? as far as i remember armed with fire weapons were only police (ruSSian fsb mainly) forces and was shooting to unarmed protesters...

Re armed Nazis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kHwJW13TB0

Re "armed" policemen and "peaceful" demonstrators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E18jWXbZY8U

Just two off the top of my head.

[Pagan]

East Ukraine now is an ideal lesson for postmoderns who doubt the reality of force, coercion, credibility, prestige & sheer, naked power.

[Nemo1024]

East Ukraine now is an ideal lesson for postmoderns who doubt the reality of force, coercion, credibility, prestige & sheer, naked power.

Yes, couldn't have put it better myself. We've seen it in Yugoslavia, Tunis, Lybia, Egypt, and now Ukraine. Well done, USA.

[Pagan]

yes yes... RT is spreading only "true"... right... it's time to isolate ruSSia completely... please tell me how government was taken by force in ukraine? which people want federalization? native ukrainians or putin tourists? and please tel me how so called federalization will fix everything instantly? or will it be like crimea all over again?

Sorry, armed overtake of key government positions in Kiev with overthrow of a legitimately elected president is not taking government by force. My bad. I'll update the dictionaries of the world.

No, it will not fix stuff immediately, but in a multi-national state, with differences of views in different regions a federal state works better. If you don't want to look at Russian Federation, look at Germany, Austria, tiny Switzerland, United States, to name a few.

Who wants it? Let it be decided by a referendum, last I checked that what the protesters are asking for.

Attempts to isolate Russia have been done before, often before calls to invade and subjugate Russia. It never ended well, but warmongers seldom learn.

pics or didn't happened of ARMED overtake? as far as i remember armed with fire weapons were only police (ruSSian fsb mainly) forces and was shooting to unarmed protesters...

Re armed Nazis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kHwJW13TB0

Re "armed" policemen and "peaceful" demonstrators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E18jWXbZY8U

Just two off the top of my head.

only ruϟϟian is nazis and chauvinist in E.Europe atm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpWbHYBOnc

[247crypto]

LOL, where is Asphalt on picture?

[Balthazar]

yes yes... RT is spreading only "true"...

Wow, I didn't even thought about this... OK, why we should deny, if you are saying that RT is the only truth, of course I believe you.

please tell me how government was taken by force in ukraine?

pics or didn't happened of ARMED overtake?

There are no fools, get yourself another audience. Seriously, what kind of pictures do you need? Photos of the burning police officers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZFesrg-idw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_fGGLFPfu4

Or maybe you would prefer the pictures of police officers, which were peacefully kicked away with a help of bulldozer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBXh0iKJjHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKAxrAlVSbM

Are you trying to provide me a reason for good laugh? You are on the right way, because denial of reality has always been a good foundation for jokes. You've got some success indeed.

which people want federalization?

Of course I wouldn't be surprised to see are some foreign "consultants", just like it was with euromaidan. It's pretty obvious for anybody who has even only a piece of brain in the skull.

and please tel me how so called federalization will fix everything instantly?

Hmm... Switzerland?

[247crypto]

cлaвa Укpaїнi

xepoям caлa

[Nemo1024]

LOL, where is Asphalt on picture?

The CIA-sponsored trolls didn't have time to re-pave

[Nemo1024]

cлaвa Укpaїнi

xepoям caлa

otsasi

I was afraid that the trolls would try to take over with rude comments and no factual-based counterarguments. This will be my last reply to you.

[niothor]

I was afraid that the trolls would try to take over with rude comments and no factual-based counterarguments. This will be my last reply to you.

This is not trolling anymore

[Pagan]

In ruϟϟia the MPs prepare law project about  "Great Russian Aryan race" http://argumentua.com/novosti/v-rossii-deputaty-zayavili-o-velikoi-russkoi-ariiskoi-rase

more ruϟϟian aryan here > great photos http://oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com/1010183.html?fb_action_ids=681062035286094&fb_action_types=og.recommends

[niothor]

In ruϟϟia the MPs prepare law project about  "Great Russian Aryan race" http://argumentua.com/novosti/v-rossii-deputaty-zayavili-o-velikoi-russkoi-ariiskoi-rase

more ruϟϟian aryan here > great photos http://oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com/1010183.html?fb_action_ids=681062035286094&fb_action_types=og.recommends

Note to myself... don't open links until you see some comments from other people who have seen it before you.

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ge5bN0jWXo

Dnepropetrovsk

[247crypto]

Gorlovka police or Mosfilm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinMf_7dQK4

[Balthazar]

In ruϟϟia the MPs prepare law project about  "Great Russian Aryan race" http://argumentua.com/novosti/v-rossii-deputaty-zayavili-o-velikoi-russkoi-ariiskoi-rase

more ruϟϟian aryan here > great photos http://oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com/1010183.html?fb_action_ids=681062035286094&fb_action_types=og.recommends

Note to myself... don't open links until you see some comments from other people who have seen it before you.

Actually, comments are much more interesting than "article" itself.

According to this theory indo-arabic, slavic and baltic people were result of R1A1 evolution. I see no "great russian race" or another shit in the primary source, just an interesting theory of ethnogenesis.

[Pagan]

Russian Fiction the Sequel: 10 More False Claims about Ukraine
Posted on April, 14, 15:09 0 Comments Tags: Crimea, fascist, Russian military, Russian propaganda, Ukraine, USA   

“No amount of propaganda can make right something that the world knows is wrong.”
– President Obama, March 26

Russia continues to spin a false and dangerous narrative to justify its illegal actions in Ukraine. The Russian propaganda machine continues to promote hate speech and incite violence by creating a false threat in Ukraine that does not exist. We would not be seeing the violence and sad events that we’ve witnessed this weekend without this relentless stream of disinformation and Russian provocateurs fostering unrest in eastern Ukraine. Here are 10 more false claims Russia is using to justify intervention in Ukraine, with the facts that these assertions ignore or distort.

1. Russia Claims: Russian agents are not active in Ukraine.

Fact: The Ukrainian Government has arrested more than a dozen suspected Russian intelligence agents in recent weeks, many of whom were armed at the time of arrest. In the first week of April 2014, the Government of Ukraine had information that Russian GRU officers were providing individuals in Kharkiv and Donetsk with advice and instructions on conducting protests, capturing and holding government buildings, seizing weapons from the government buildings’ armories, and redeploying for other violent actions. On April 12, armed pro-Russian militants seized government buildings in a coordinated and professional operation conducted in six cities in eastern Ukraine. Many were outfitted in bullet-proof vests, camouflage uniforms with insignia removed, and carrying Russian-designed weapons like AK-74s and Dragunovs. These armed units, some wearing black and orange St. George’s ribbons associated with Russian Victory Day celebrations, raised Russian and separatist flags over seized buildings and have called for referendums on secession and union with Russia. These operations are strikingly similar to those used against Ukrainian facilities during Russia’s illegal military intervention in Crimea in late February and its subsequent occupation.

2. Russia Claims: Pro-Russia demonstrations are comprised exclusively of Ukrainian citizens acting of their own volition, like the Maidan movement in Kyiv.

Fact: This is not the grassroots Ukrainian civic activism of the EuroMaidan movement, which grew from a handful of student protestors to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians from all parts of the country and all walks of life. Russian internet sites openly are recruiting volunteers to travel from Russia to Ukraine and incite violence. There is evidence that many of these so-called “protesters” are paid for their participation in the violence and unrest. It is clear that these incidents are not spontaneous events, but rather part of a well-orchestrated Russian campaign of incitement, separatism, and sabotage of the Ukrainian state. Ukrainian authorities continue to arrest highly trained and well-equipped Russian provocateurs operating across the region.

3. Russia Claims: Separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine enjoy broad popular support.

Fact: The recent demonstrations in eastern Ukraine are not organic and lack wide support in the region. A large majority of Donetsk residents (65.7 percent) want to live in a united Ukraine and reject unification with Russia, according to public opinion polls conducted at the end of March by the Donetsk-based Institute of Social Research and Policy Analysis. Pro-Russian demonstrations in eastern Ukraine have been modest in size, especially compared with Maidan protests in these same cities in December, and they have gotten smaller as time has progressed.

4. Russia Claims: The situation in eastern Ukraine risks spiraling into civil war.

Fact: What is going on in eastern Ukraine would not be happening without Russian disinformation and provocateurs fostering unrest. It would not be happening if a large Russian military force were not massed on the border, destabilizing the situation through their overtly threatening presence. There simply have not been large-scale protests in the region. A small number of separatists have seized several government buildings in eastern cities like Donetsk, Luhansk, and Slovyansk, but they have failed to attract any significant popular support. Ukrainian authorities have shown remarkable restraint in their efforts to resolve the situation and only acted when provoked by armed militants and public safety was put at risk. Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) observers have reported that these incidents are very localized.

5. Russia Claims: Ukrainians in Donetsk rejected the illegitimate authorities in Kyiv and established the independent “People’s Republic of Donetsk.”

Fact: A broad and representative collection of civil society and non-governmental organizations in Donetsk categorically rejected the declaration of a “People’s Republic of Donetsk” by the small number of separatists occupying the regional administration building. These same organizations confirmed their support for the interim government and for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

6. Russia Claims: Russia ordered a “partial drawdown” of troops from the Ukrainian border.

Fact: No evidence shows significant movement of Russian forces away from the Ukrainian border. One battalion is not enough. An estimated 35,000-40,000 Russian troops remain massed along the border, in addition to approximately 25,000 troops currently in Crimea.

7. Russia Claims: Ethnic Russians in Ukraine are under threat.

Fact: There are no credible reports of ethnic Russians facing threats in Ukraine. An International Republican Institute poll released April 5 found that 74 percent of the Russian-speaking population in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine said they “were not under pressure or threat because of their language.” Meanwhile, in Crimea, the OSCE has raised urgent concerns for the safety of minority populations, especially ethnic Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, and others. Sadly, the ethnic Russians most at risk are those who live in Russia and who oppose the authoritarian Putin regime. These Russians are harassed constantly and face years of imprisonment for speaking out against Putin’s regular abuses of power.

8. Russia Claims: Ukraine’s new government is led by radical nationalists and fascists.

Fact: The Ukrainian parliament (Rada) did not change in February. It is the same Rada that was elected by all Ukrainians, comprising all of the parties that existed prior to February’s events, including former president Yanukovych’s Party of Regions. The new government, approved by an overwhelming majority in the parliament — including many members of Yanukovych’s former party — is committed to protecting the rights of all Ukrainians, including those in Crimea.

9. Russia Claims: Ethnic minorities face persecution in Ukraine from the “fascist” government in Kyiv.

Fact: Leaders of Ukraine’s Jewish as well as German, Czech, and Hungarian communities have all publicly expressed their sense of safety under the new authorities in Kyiv. Moreover, many minority groups expressed fear of persecution in Russian-occupied Crimea, a concern OSCE observers in Ukraine have substantiated.

10. Russia Claims: Russia is not using energy and trade as weapons against Ukraine.

Fact: Following Russia’s illegal annexation and occupation of Crimea, Russia raised the price Ukraine pays for natural gas by 80 percent in the past two weeks. In addition, it is seeking more than $11 billion in back payments following its abrogation of the 2010 Kharkiv accords. Russia’s moves threaten to increase severely the economic pain faced by Ukrainian citizens and businesses. Additionally, Russia continues to restrict Ukrainian exports to Russia, which constitute a significant portion of Ukraine’s export economy.

Source: U.S. Department of State.

[bryant.coleman]

LOL, where is Asphalt on picture?

That was classic. I thought that the CIA guys were a bit more intelligent. May be I was wrong.