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December 20, 2019, 03:02:23 AM
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Market has been manipulated and being manipulated since then. You can even see that when you are doing trading every now and then. Pump groups and all and even on margin trading. Of course, these exchanges dont want to lose a lot so manipulating it is the best thing.
I think the system of all trading markets is also like that. When they have big capital, of course, they can control the market price. especially with crypto assets that have very fast market movements. even without capital only with the will of the community with large numbers can also make the market move. we cannot avoid it, we can only be prepared for all circumstances and most importantly you should never feel panicked.









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December 20, 2019, 04:00:05 AM
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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.
manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.
indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.
Maybe because it happen in a many times, coin that pumped usually dumped first so people think it is whales who want to buy in cheap price first before pump it. But i think price really controlled because even other people almost can predict what will happen, or maybe speculation about it is almost right.

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December 20, 2019, 04:31:44 AM
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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.
manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.
indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.
Maybe because it happen in a many times, coin that pumped usually dumped first so people think it is whales who want to buy in cheap price first before pump it. But i think price really controlled because even other people almost can predict what will happen, or maybe speculation about it is almost right.

Who can predict? maybe that's a sort of conclusion only but I didn't take out the fact that market can be manipulated and you need a big funds for that or even spread some fuds to make this dumping scheme became successful. But actually there are so many reasons contributes that and for current happening on the market it's questionable since we don't have the exact reason on why the market keeps falling even though the halving is approaching.

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December 20, 2019, 05:36:59 AM
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Markets are being manipulated by the whales when every they want, but whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is effecting the altcoin prices. Even potential coins are losing their value in the market, which we don't know whether altcoin reached their downtrend level. Most of the people who believed in altcoin have already lost their asset value.
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December 20, 2019, 10:41:51 AM
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Markets are being manipulated by the whales when every they want, but whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is effecting the altcoin prices. Even potential coins are losing their value in the market, which we don't know whether altcoin reached their downtrend level. Most of the people who believed in altcoin have already lost their asset value.


Manipulators, group of people, can move the market with carefully planed action. Its not just buying or selling huge amounts of coins, its pushing news and headlines that will lead masses to do what this group of manipulators wants them to do, add to that trolls that will spam social networks and forums with informations that suits their agenda.
Manipulations with markets, with all markets, are old as markets exist, big players will always have advantage, group of big players can move the market in the direction they want if they know how. We can't do nothing about that, at least with crypto we will have more transparency then we have with fiat.

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December 20, 2019, 05:31:50 PM
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The crypto market is always manipulated and manipulated by the media and with a lot of money.
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December 21, 2019, 12:00:58 AM
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The crypto market is always manipulated and manipulated by the media and with a lot of money.
Media plays an important role to manipulate the crypto market but someone behind it looks become the main actor who has already created so many panic sells in crypto. You can pay author or medias anytime and that makes the manipulation possible to happen.



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December 23, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
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Let's hope that at the end of the year there will be no such surprises, and at the beginning of the year the price increase will begin.
a group of people, can move the market with carefully planned actions. Media gangsters have the intention to destroy all innovative banking projects to protect the traditional banking system.
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December 23, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
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usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?
before pump, the price will dump so far.  And this is the Dow philosophy that you need to read and understand.  Dow's philosophy shows that this is the general psychology of financial markets.  for example, you have $ 100k invested in bitcoin, you set the expected profit of $ 200k and especially you like the majority.  when the price of bitcoin reaches $ 200k, a series of people will sell off and it will create a long-term wave of downtrend.  This is called the general cycle of any economy or finance, and it is made up of crowds.  So there is no manipulation here, the price fluctuation is just due to the expectations of the different crowds.


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December 24, 2019, 02:29:51 AM
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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.
Manipulating the price of bitcoin is many times easier than what many people think, it may seem as if you need a lot of money to do that but if you are an early adopter that got his coins basically for free then you can manipulate the price of bitcoin as you want and it doesn't cost you anything, this is especially true in bitcoin in which everyone is always expecting a big movement to join it, so if a whale were to manipulate the price to go up he only needs to do this for a little while until the rest of the traders begin to follow that tendency.
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December 24, 2019, 02:38:00 AM
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it has been always an issue but until now there are no concrete documents and proofs about how it works and who are manipulating the market.
though it is really looking as is when the market is pumping without any good reason same as when it was dumping.that is why we can't take from our minds to think that manipulators are on the go.but investing is a risk so better expect some losing than total winnings.









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December 24, 2019, 04:41:37 AM
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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.
Manipulating the price of bitcoin is many times easier than what many people think, it may seem as if you need a lot of money to do that but if you are an early adopter that got his coins basically for free then you can manipulate the price of bitcoin as you want and it doesn't cost you anything, this is especially true in bitcoin in which everyone is always expecting a big movement to join it, so if a whale were to manipulate the price to go up he only needs to do this for a little while until the rest of the traders begin to follow that tendency.
what?is this a serious post?do you really know how much needed to maniupulate the market?and that damn free bitcoin you are saying have been withdrawn years ago,because those early adopters has already sold their Bitcoins and convert into fiat.and they are just few because many of them have lost their bitcoins in the air because they forgot the Key long time ago.

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December 24, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
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it has been always an issue but until now there are no concrete documents and proofs about how it works and who are manipulating the market.
though it is really looking as is when the market is pumping without any good reason same as when it was dumping.that is why we can't take from our minds to think that manipulators are on the go.but investing is a risk so better expect some losing than total winnings.

Actually, you don't need any documents or evidence to answer the question if the market is manipulated or not. You said yourself that at some moments you can notice very fast price jumps or its declines. This is manipulating the market to trigger panic buy or panic sell.

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December 24, 2019, 03:07:43 PM
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it has been always an issue but until now there are no concrete documents and proofs about how it works and who are manipulating the market.
though it is really looking as is when the market is pumping without any good reason same as when it was dumping.that is why we can't take from our minds to think that manipulators are on the go.but investing is a risk so better expect some losing than total winnings.

Actually, you don't need any documents or evidence to answer the question if the market is manipulated or not. You said yourself that at some moments you can notice very fast price jumps or its declines. This is manipulating the market to trigger panic buy or panic sell.
Badly it was as people think and it sometimes manipulation seems to happen in all areas. Crypto is a big market and this will able to give chances for influential people to take advantage of the market. It can't be of really visible to us but it actually happens in reality.
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December 25, 2019, 02:29:01 AM
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i think that Yes.. the market is being manipulated
its very easy to manipulate a market small like this and unregulated
trying to trade is like playing chess against the best players in the world
they know what they are doing.. so i only hold and wait for the best opportunity to sell
wish there will be more hypes in the next years
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December 25, 2019, 03:04:57 AM
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i think that Yes.. the market is being manipulated
its very easy to manipulate a market small like this and unregulated
trying to trade is like playing chess against the best players in the world
they know what they are doing.. so i only hold and wait for the best opportunity to sell
wish there will be more hypes in the next years
The only matters right now is you need to work and try following the directions where whales are with, if you catch up the right track you'll be able
to manage gaining profits even it's clearly another artificial movements. Whales are whales  try hard to acknowledge how they work and analyze your
next movement to ride with the hypes.
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December 25, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
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Markets are being manipulated by the whales when every they want, but whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is effecting the altcoin prices. Even potential coins are losing their value in the market, which we don't know whether altcoin reached their downtrend level. Most of the people who believed in altcoin have already lost their asset value.


Manipulators, group of people, can move the market with carefully planed action. Its not just buying or selling huge amounts of coins, its pushing news and headlines that will lead masses to do what this group of manipulators wants them to do, add to that trolls that will spam social networks and forums with informations that suits their agenda.
Manipulations with markets, with all markets, are old as markets exist, big players will always have advantage, group of big players can move the market in the direction they want if they know how. We can't do nothing about that, at least with crypto we will have more transparency then we have with fiat.
yes, the whales is.

so, it is just matter of how we follow them. if we can follow them, we can take our own sake
but if we can't, we will lose our money. always learning whales behaviour is the way
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December 25, 2019, 11:21:22 AM
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Markets are being manipulated by the whales when every they want, but whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is effecting the altcoin prices. Even potential coins are losing their value in the market, which we don't know whether altcoin reached their downtrend level. Most of the people who believed in altcoin have already lost their asset value.


Manipulators, group of people, can move the market with carefully planed action. Its not just buying or selling huge amounts of coins, its pushing news and headlines that will lead masses to do what this group of manipulators wants them to do, add to that trolls that will spam social networks and forums with informations that suits their agenda.
Manipulations with markets, with all markets, are old as markets exist, big players will always have advantage, group of big players can move the market in the direction they want if they know how. We can't do nothing about that, at least with crypto we will have more transparency then we have with fiat.
yes, the whales is.

so, it is just matter of how we follow them. if we can follow them, we can take our own sake
but if we can't, we will lose our money. always learning whales behaviour is the way
How can you follow the whales when you can't even see what the whales have been thinking about the market? it looks like people are loosing his mind caused by the manipulation of the market that always related to the whales. Exchange site is also having a big role in the market manipulation. I may take all of the possibilities.

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December 25, 2019, 11:41:38 AM
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~snip~

Manipulators, group of people, can move the market with carefully planed action. Its not just buying or selling huge amounts of coins, its pushing news and headlines that will lead masses to do what this group of manipulators wants them to do, add to that trolls that will spam social networks and forums with informations that suits their agenda.
Manipulations with markets, with all markets, are old as markets exist, big players will always have advantage, group of big players can move the market in the direction they want if they know how. We can't do nothing about that, at least with crypto we will have more transparency then we have with fiat.
yes, the whales is.

so, it is just matter of how we follow them. if we can follow them, we can take our own sake
but if we can't, we will lose our money. always learning whales behaviour is the way
How can you follow the whales when you can't even see what the whales have been thinking about the market? it looks like people are loosing his mind caused by the manipulation of the market that always related to the whales. Exchange site is also having a big role in the market manipulation. I may take all of the possibilities.
yes we can't see the whales, but it doesn't mean there is no whales
we can't know exactly what strategy does whale use, but it doesn't mean it can't be detected

there are a sign in the market that show whale behaviour, if we are strict to see in the market
i.e before pump and dump scheme happened, the volume increased so heavy
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December 25, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
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yes we can't see the whales, but it doesn't mean there is no whales
we can't know exactly what strategy does whale use, but it doesn't mean it can't be detected

there are a sign in the market that show whale behaviour, if we are strict to see in the market
i.e before pump and dump scheme happened, the volume increased so heavy
I don't expect the whales to come anytime soon and put their money on the market now. let alone to pump without a reason that would benefit them. they come to profit not only to provide benefits for those who faithfully wait for the market to pump again. by the way what sign do you see in the market?

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