🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈

[wheelz1200]

As an Eagles fan I'm happy they got the win but watching the game was terrible and I'm glad that I didn't place a bet on them even though they won. I think most here had a win with most taking the Giants to cover which they did. I do agree that the NFC East table looks very bad right now but it can all change as there is time for at least one or two teams to get .500 hopefully lol.

I predict the Cowboys to win the division with or without Dak Prescott. The other teams are worse in many ways hehe. The Cowboys at the very least have their offense.

Their defense is atrocious its going to be hard for them to win many games.  With dak they only beat the giants who are terrible and Atlanta who is terrible and that was 40-39.  Dalton might have lost both of those games, but I guess someone has to win right lol.  Either way it's a guaranteed first roumd loss to a superior wildcard team.

[South Park]

The Giants are leading this must win game. The NFC East winner might have the worst record in the NFL to receive a slot for the playoffs hehehe.

This is also the division where a record like the Washington Redskins still has a chance to go to the playoffs hehehehe.

At this point I think we cannot talk about a team winning the NFC East, whoever ends up at the top at that division is the worst at tanking, after all think about the draft order and see how many positions the winner of that division will give up, with 14 teams now going to the postseason this means the first 18 spots will be given according to the regular season record, last year the 9 and 10 spot were there with a 6-10 record and the spots 11 to 16 had a 7-9 record.

The winner of this division is not going to have a winning record and most likely it would have landed on those spots but since they will win the division this means the NFC East champion will get seeded according to how well they do in the playoffs and even if they lose on the first round this means the best they can expect is the 19 spot.


Edit: Antonio Brown has signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for one year.
Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-contract-heres-how-much-the-buccaneers-will-reportedly-pay-the-former-all-pro-receiver/

[tyKiwanuka]

I hope the giants get the #1 pick and trade it for multi picks, they have so many holes to fill, where to start?

Thats what they should have done in this years draft already; instead they drafted the supposedly most NFL-ready OT, but the one with the lowest upside at #4, when this draft was stacked with good OT's. Thomas was playing out of position at LT for the first games, but as you said he also got manhandled at RT. They should have just traded down and take any of the OT's still available (Thomas, Wills, Becton, Wirfs) - would have made no difference and Thomas has always been a reach at 4 imo.

And while we are at it, I also don't understand how the Lions (or any other team) can select a CB at #3, because this is a wasted pick no matter how good that guy might be. If I was a NFL GM, I would always go O-Line or D-Line with my high picks. Some stud MLB, like Kuechly, is fine as well and QB of course, if you need one. If you have a very good O-Line/D-Line, you can get away with a lot of mediocrity on the other positions imo.

If you have outstanding CB's, safeties, ILB/OLB thats nice, but won't help you, if your D-Line can't pressure the QB and is not able to stop the run. All CB's can cover WR's only for so long, so if you give the QB too many time, even a very good CB will look poor. If you have a very good D-Line otoh, you give the QB only few time and don't need superstars at CB/Safety.

With a good O-Line you can then protect your QB very well, give him time to scan the field and even not-so-good WR's can get open. If they dominate the LOS, they will also create lanes for your RB, who then himself doesn't need to be the next Barry Sanders to make noise.

[morvillz7z]

My bets last week were pretty trashy, looking to bounce back.

○ Bills ML + Diggs Anytime score - Bills will be without their TEs in this one due to covid, they are also coming off two straight losses scoring 33pts total, they like me need to bounce back against a free-falling NY Jets team. Diggs should have plenty of opportunities to catch at least one TD.

○ Packers ML + Davante Adams Anytime score - Two interceptions for Rodgers last week and zero TDs, i expect him to go off today, D.Adams is in one of my fantasy teams, need him to score some points for me.

○ Patriots O20.5pts + C.Newton Anytime score - Patriots are 2-3, shockingly losing to Denver last week. Cam had a pretty rough game himself with two interceptions, but i just don't trust 49ers this year with so many players injured, you don't know what you will get from them.

Gl to those having bets!

[tyKiwanuka]

Only odds I like in the early games are the Bengals. Don't get why they are priced that high, when their first encounter with the Browns was already close-ish. Browns are no worldbeaters and Bengals were able to keep all games close apart from the Ravens one, which is ok. They should have won @Colts last week too, but a missed field goal and some rookie mistakes from Burrow made them come up short again. This could happen today again, but these odds are good imo.

○ Patriots O20.5pts + C.Newton Anytime score - Patriots are 2-3, shockingly losing to Denver last week. Cam had a pretty rough game himself with two interceptions, but i just don't trust 49ers this year with so many players injured, you don't know what you will get from them.

I wouldn't trust the Patriots atm as well, but this is more relevant for ML than your over team totals bet. But I might jump on 49ers ML later, since this NE O-Line is very suspect to say the least and Cam is a bit shaky, if not well protected. 49ers (and especially their defense) did well last week against the Rams, so 2.40+ for them looks some value. Lets make it 22-21 for SF and Cam rushing one in

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Also playing the overs in TEN-PIT and LV-TB games, because I will watch these on NFL gamepass, lol.

[ralle14]

Since the spread for the Bills match slightly moved in favor of the Jets I decided to take both first half(-6.5) and full game(-9.5) I also have them as my survivor pool pick. My initial plan was to go against the Cowboys but I ended up backing my pick after that disaster of a division game between the Giants and Eagles.    

Edit: Bills already down 10-0 unbelievable they haven't scored yet. Match ended 10-18 I don't mind losing my bets at least my pool pick came through.    

[xxjumperxx]

Wow...
The Bills and Cowboys getting destroyed...

I avoided the Bills Game but fell for Dalton, but I just forgot how bad he really is... He sucks!

[ChiBitCTy]

Wow...
The Bills and Cowboys getting destroyed...

I avoided the Bills Game but fell for Dalton, but I just forgot how bad he really is... He sucks!

I was shocked to see the Jets with the early lead over the Bills, but they pulled through of course.  The other story though, the Cowboys are going to be very bad going forward.  If you own Zeke in fantasy, sell that dude asap!

The Steelers really proved their the real deal today.  They might just be a top 3 team. Another sad loss for the Falcons.  Even with that great offense, they just can't keep up with their shitty defense.

Seattle -3.5 tonight vs Arizona. Thinking about taking Seattle in this one. Any thoughts on tonights game?

[vella85]

The Jets didn't surprise me at all as I said days ago that I liked them to cover the spread which they did. I just need the Chiefs to win and I'll win my two leg parlay. I also have the Packers ML, Steelers ML and Raiders to cover the spread but right now its not looking good for the Raiders to cover but there is still a half of football to go so they still can cover.

[tyKiwanuka]

Seattle -3.5 tonight vs Arizona. Thinking about taking Seattle in this one. Any thoughts on tonights game?

If this was a non-divisional game, I would take it. But it is actually a divisional game and I think these odds are about right, so no value. I still don't know what to think about the Cards this year. Apart from week1, where they got the upset @SF, they beat the teams they are supposed to beat in convincing fashion and lost when they met some tougher opposition (Panthers, Lions). Seattle is the best team they will face up to this point this season and their record in last years at home against them isn't something to cheer on: 0-7-1, with quite some blowout wins. I think it will be a close game; ARZ should go into this pretty confident after their last two W's and their defense is pretty good and should keep them in the game.

Not sure, if this helps you with your decision For me this is no bet - at least pre-match. There is always something (better) to be found in-play in these kind of games.


Mixed day for me. Bengals with another tough loss allowing CLE to drive down the field with one minute left playing this ever shitty prevent defense. If it prevents nothing, then just play normal defense and let them try to beat you with a big play. If they succeed, then so be it.

TEN-PIT over was a push, although should have went over. But Big Ben decided to throw an INT on 3rd & 12 late in the game within easy FG range 49ers won and I am waiting for another FG in Vegas to win the over there as well.

[morvillz7z]

AFC East ruined two of my bets, Bills couldn't connect on a single TD, and Cam threw 3 INT and got benched.
At least Rodgers/Adams bet went through, both putting beastly numbers.

I'm currently winning all three fantasy matchups this week with a chance to top or get very close to 200pts 

Jags and Chargers just put up a 35 point quarter, damn!

[xxjumperxx]

AFC East ruined two of my bets, Bills couldn't connect on a single TD, and Cam threw 3 INT and got benched.
At least Rodgers/Adams bet went through, both putting beastly numbers.

I'm currently winning all three fantasy matchups this week with a chance to top or get very close to 200pts 

Jags and Chargers just put up a 35 point quarter, damn!

Davante was a Killer on my Fantasy Team this week... Since it is a Apex League I also pushed the League Point Average a bit high with my scoring this week 

[wheelz1200]

AFC East ruined two of my bets, Bills couldn't connect on a single TD, and Cam threw 3 INT and got benched.
At least Rodgers/Adams bet went through, both putting beastly numbers.

I'm currently winning all three fantasy matchups this week with a chance to top or get very close to 200pts  

Jags and Chargers just put up a 35 point quarter, damn!

Yeah the bills effort was disappointing and I think reality is finally setting in on the patriots, their reign is over.  Belicheck is a great coach and all but it also helps when you have the GOAT captain ing the team for 20 years.  Now the Bucs get a little taste of that

[South Park]

And while we are at it, I also don't understand how the Lions (or any other team) can select a CB at #3, because this is a wasted pick no matter how good that guy might be. If I was a NFL GM, I would always go O-Line or D-Line with my high picks. Some stud MLB, like Kuechly, is fine as well and QB of course, if you need one. If you have a very good O-Line/D-Line, you can get away with a lot of mediocrity on the other positions imo.

If you have outstanding CB's, safeties, ILB/OLB thats nice, but won't help you, if your D-Line can't pressure the QB and is not able to stop the run. All CB's can cover WR's only for so long, so if you give the QB too many time, even a very good CB will look poor. If you have a very good D-Line otoh, you give the QB only few time and don't need superstars at CB/Safety.

With a good O-Line you can then protect your QB very well, give him time to scan the field and even not-so-good WR's can get open. If they dominate the LOS, they will also create lanes for your RB, who then himself doesn't need to be the next Barry Sanders to make noise.

Agreed, it is just common sense really, in a QB centric league then the most valuable position in defence should be the guys that go and hunt the QB and for what I can see on average the DE is the highest paid position on the defence and the second highest overall behind the QB so the market seems to reflect the importance of the position, now on the case of the OL this will depend, SEA has gotten away with a cheap OL for years because they have Wilson but for the rest of the teams you need a good OL, look at what it is happening to DAL, they had a good during OL the previous seasons and Zeke looked great and had a great offence, this year they don’t and Zeke cannot run and now they have two injured QBs, or take a look at NE, we do not have a good OL either and the offence has done nothing during the last three games.

However when it comes to a CB I will give DET a break if they thought Okudah is a shutdown CB in which case the pick may be worth it but it was risky nonetheless.

[wheelz1200]

And while we are at it, I also don't understand how the Lions (or any other team) can select a CB at #3, because this is a wasted pick no matter how good that guy might be. If I was a NFL GM, I would always go O-Line or D-Line with my high picks. Some stud MLB, like Kuechly, is fine as well and QB of course, if you need one. If you have a very good O-Line/D-Line, you can get away with a lot of mediocrity on the other positions imo.

If you have outstanding CB's, safeties, ILB/OLB thats nice, but won't help you, if your D-Line can't pressure the QB and is not able to stop the run. All CB's can cover WR's only for so long, so if you give the QB too many time, even a very good CB will look poor. If you have a very good D-Line otoh, you give the QB only few time and don't need superstars at CB/Safety.

With a good O-Line you can then protect your QB very well, give him time to scan the field and even not-so-good WR's can get open. If they dominate the LOS, they will also create lanes for your RB, who then himself doesn't need to be the next Barry Sanders to make noise.

Agreed, it is just common sense really, in a QB centric league then the most valuable position in defence should be the guys that go and hunt the QB and for what I can see on average the DE is the highest paid position on the defence and the second highest overall behind the QB so the market seems to reflect the importance of the position, now on the case of the OL this will depend, SEA has gotten away with a cheap OL for years because they have Wilson but for the rest of the teams you need a good OL, look at what it is happening to DAL, they had a good during OL the previous seasons and Zeke looked great and had a great offence, this year they don’t and Zeke cannot run and now they have two injured QBs, or take a look at NE, we do not have a good OL either and the offence has done nothing during the last three games.

However when it comes to a CB I will give DET a break if they thought Okudah is a shutdown CB in which case the pick may be worth it but it was risky nonetheless.

If he turns out to be a top 3 corner back in the league then its well worth it.  Building a team is tricky and if you get a lock down corner you can leave him by himself on the other teams best reciever and you can mask a bad secondary with schemes for the other side of the field.  Okudah was rated that high by many teams.  Time will tell.

[vella85]

I had an even day yesterday as I hit with one of my parlays and the other losing due to the Raiders not being able to cover. In tonight's game I'm liking the Bears to cover the +6.5, I would prefer +7 so I may by that extra .5 of a point.

[morvillz7z]

^If i had to take the spread i would probably also back the Bears to cover tonight. Rams have a 4-2 record with all wins coming against NFC East teams, so not that impressive.

I think it's going to be a low scoring affair, liking the Under 44.5 a lot here, Bears are avg 18pts (last 3) vs. Rams 21pts (last 3).

So i went with Jimmy Graham 20+ receiving yards + U49.5 total points (total odds 2.17)

Rams allowed 109 yards to Kittle in their last game, J. Graham has been the second most targeted man after Foles took over at QB.

[ralle14]

I had an even day yesterday as I hit with one of my parlays and the other losing due to the Raiders not being able to cover. In tonight's game I'm liking the Bears to cover the +6.5, I would prefer +7 so I may by that extra .5 of a point.

The spread on the Bears looks really good I think they have a great chance at covering the spread since the winning margin in their games is always within 3-6pts.

I went for a small risky play and grabbed the Bears to win @3.4. My only reasoning for taking this is because of the teams they faced most of their wins are against weaker teams but the Rams haven't had a convincing win yet. 

[nutildah]

^If i had to take the spread i would probably also back the Bears to cover tonight. Rams have a 4-2 record with all wins coming against NFC East teams, so not that impressive.

I think it's going to be a low scoring affair, liking the Under 44.5 a lot here, Bears are avg 18pts (last 3) vs. Rams 21pts (last 3).

To be honest, I don't blame you. I was gonna pick Rams moneyline but transaction fees are a bit high right now and I didn't feel like spending $5 just to potentially lose $20, LOL. So I didn't get my bet in and now of course the Rams are crushing it. The under is still looking good at this point. Pre-game the feeling was that a win for the under would signify a cover for the Bears, but now it looks like the second part might not be true.

Happy for my Rams and its good just watch a game for the sake of the game instead of making money.

[wheelz1200]

^If i had to take the spread i would probably also back the Bears to cover tonight. Rams have a 4-2 record with all wins coming against NFC East teams, so not that impressive.

I think it's going to be a low scoring affair, liking the Under 44.5 a lot here, Bears are avg 18pts (last 3) vs. Rams 21pts (last 3).

To be honest, I don't blame you. I was gonna pick Rams moneyline but transaction fees are a bit high right now and I didn't feel like spending $5 just to potentially lose $20, LOL. So I didn't get my bet in and now of course the Rams are crushing it. The under is still looking good at this point. Pre-game the feeling was that a win for the under would signify a cover for the Bears, but now it looks like the second part might not be true.

Happy for my Rams and its good just watch a game for the sake of the game instead of making money.

Yeah rams are taking it to them.  It was hard to pinpoint how good they were yet since they've been feasting on the nfc east which every division is making a mockery of.  Nice strong win for them here at this point in the year, soldier them as a contender in the west.  That is going to be a real hard division to come out of this year, honestly any of those teams will be tough to beat.