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It is clear Fury will fight Wilder and Joshua will fight Pulev and after that the two-fight deal between Fury and Joshua will go ahead next year.
It will be a massive pay day for both of the fighters.
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June 12, 2020, 11:36:34 AM |
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It is clear Fury will fight Wilder and Joshua will fight Pulev and after that the two-fight deal between Fury and Joshua will go ahead next year.
There was an agreement already but to say it's clear that they both fighters will win, I think AJ has a better chance on winning, but Fury to win against Wilder, probably 60/40 for me, Fury will be favored though. If both will win, so let's just see. It will be a massive pay day for both of the fighters.
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It is clear Fury will fight Wilder and Joshua will fight Pulev and after that the two-fight deal between Fury and Joshua will go ahead next year.
There was an agreement already but to say it's clear that they both fighters will win, I think AJ has a better chance on winning, but Fury to win against Wilder, probably 60/40 for me, Fury will be favored though. But according to Oddschecker—which lists Fury at -200, Wilder at +275 and a draw at +2500—Wilder is attracting more attention from those with money to gamble. Along with the 58% of people who are betting Wilder at this early stage, 39% are putting money on Fury, and 3% see another draw between the two. Source : https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2020/03/02/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-3-odds-the-early-betting-money-is-being-wagered-on-bronze-bomber/#502c61402382As you can see, the odds favored Fury as he is the favorites but you can't say this is going to be one sided as if Wilder become more underdog it will make him attractive to the bettors, in short, bettors still has faith on him.
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They're not going to give him 20 million to step aside. That's a ludicrous number. It would probably be a few million at best, but Wilder would make much more by taking the fight and it's the only opportunity he will have to win the belts back. He's not going to walk away from that for a small cash out. Fury has even stated he wouldn't even pay him 2 million to step aside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjzO8TybsUIt makes sense for Fury to take the fight as well as it will almost certainly be his biggest payday win or lose. If he loses they'll likely fight again with an even bigger payday, but wins he just goes on to the next biggest fight but right now that's the Wilder rematch. I like Fury's attitude, and depending on your outlook you could agree with him that hes already beaten Wilder twice. Yeah, it was given as a draw, but I for one was not shocked by the result, but knew that Fury had to do something big in that first fight to actually win it. I think its commonly known that home advantage is a thing, as it is humans judging at the end of the day, and bias will, and does creep in. If Wilder didn't get that huge knockdown on Fury, I had him winning pretty much every single round, and in fact I think after the knockdown he even came out, and dominated for the rest of the match. I personally don't think one 10 round from Wilder would have caught up to the sheer amount of dominance that Fury displayed. Of course, the second fight he came in all guns blazing, and it pulled off. The worst thing that can happen for boxing fans right now is for Fury to lose his belts, and the Joshua fight isn't as hyped up. Yeah, its still a huge fight, but ideally I would like to see both men entering that ring with their belts, and battle it out for the others. It will add to the atmosphere that this occasion will deserve. Wilder wont step aside because this is his quickest route to getting back into the bigger fights. If he beats fury, and there is a possibility of that with his dynamite right hand he opens the pathway of more money because Joshua, and him surely have to face off then. I'm a massive Fury fan, and its just going to be a nearly occasion due to the fact in my head he's already proven hes a better fighter twice.
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Good news is that Fury is now super motivated for next fight with Deontey Wilder. This is because if he wins on July 18th he booked 2 fights in UK against Anthony Joshua in year 2021. Honestly I can't wait to see Fury vs Wilder and I expect to see KO and clear win for Fury, if all goes well and if is healthy that is.
But to make it clear, he has to win his fight with Wilder first to really make the biggest fight in UK history next year. So what he needs right now is to focus on Wilder beat him the same or even worst than the second and then set his sight for even more money with the Joshua fight. Ego vs money is on the mind right now of Wilder, but there's so much pride that I doubt that he will take that step aside money. He will certainly fight with Fury and that's going to happen this year for sure. The Fury vs AJ would not happen if Fury can't beat Wilder in the 3rd fight and although he already beat Wilder once, I am not expecting an easy fight for him in the 3rd fight. I don't know but I just have a feeling that the 3rd fight will be a more interesting fight that would not result to an easy win by Fury if he ever win the fight. There are a lot of scenarios here, too many that is hard to lay down them specially if Fury losses to Wilder or if AJ will be upset by Pulev. Lots of "if" scenario. That's why I said that Fury shouldn't get and over confident and should focus first on the fight on the table. And if he perform half of the bargain, then we will see the biggest heavyweight fight in UK history and be a record, eclipsing Tyson vs Holyfield rematch as far as PPV numbers.
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I like Fury's attitude, and depending on your outlook you could agree with him that hes already beaten Wilder twice. Yeah, it was given as a draw, but I for one was not shocked by the result, but knew that Fury had to do something big in that first fight to actually win it. I think its commonly known that home advantage is a thing, as it is humans judging at the end of the day, and bias will, and does creep in.
If Wilder didn't get that huge knockdown on Fury, I had him winning pretty much every single round, and in fact I think after the knockdown he even came out, and dominated for the rest of the match. I personally don't think one 10 round from Wilder would have caught up to the sheer amount of dominance that Fury displayed. Of course, the second fight he came in all guns blazing, and it pulled off.
The worst thing that can happen for boxing fans right now is for Fury to lose his belts, and the Joshua fight isn't as hyped up. Yeah, its still a huge fight, but ideally I would like to see both men entering that ring with their belts, and battle it out for the others. It will add to the atmosphere that this occasion will deserve.
Wilder wont step aside because this is his quickest route to getting back into the bigger fights. If he beats fury, and there is a possibility of that with his dynamite right hand he opens the pathway of more money because Joshua, and him surely have to face off then. I'm a massive Fury fan, and its just going to be a nearly occasion due to the fact in my head he's already proven hes a better fighter twice.
I guess it's just opinion really but people usually have biases. I was watching it with three people and two of us agreed with the draw and one thought it was a clear Fury win, though obviously none of us are judges and were actually scoring the fight accurately. It's not uncommon for fans to disagree with the result either but I always dislike it when fights go to decisions. Sometimes I wish they'd just carry on fighting until someone goes down but that's probably dangerous ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Hopefully Fury does win as a fourth fight between them and potentially even more if they keep having rematch clauses will become tedious and delay bigger more interesting fights like the AJ one. However, if AJ loses we could go though the whole rematch thing again and that would also likely diminish AJ's stock and potential interest in the Fury fight.
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June 15, 2020, 11:30:49 AM |
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat. Fury vs Joshua with a re-match clause included will make a blockbuster fight. Providing Fury beats Wilder and if Joshua beats Pulev it will pave the way for Fury with his WBC belt and Joshua with his IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO belts is the fight all heavyweight boxing fans want to watch. If the Fury-Joshua fight goes ahead, I think Fury will win both the initial fight and the re-match both by a clean knock out 10 second count by being flat-out on his back or TKO by virtue of the referee stopping the fight. After that, Fury should simply retire and enjoy the multi-millions that he would have made from his career. It is clear Fury will fight Wilder and Joshua will fight Pulev and after that the two-fight deal between Fury and Joshua will go ahead next year.
There was an agreement already but to say it's clear that they both fighters will win, I think AJ has a better chance on winning, but Fury to win against Wilder, probably 60/40 for me, Fury will be favored though. If both will win, so let's just see. It will be a massive pay day for both of the fighters.
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June 15, 2020, 12:10:09 PM |
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it.
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~ They're not going to give him 20 million to step aside. That's a ludicrous number. It would probably be a few million at best, but Wilder would make much more by taking the fight and it's the only opportunity he will have to win the belts back. He's not going to walk away from that for a small cash out. Fury has even stated he wouldn't even pay him 2 million to step aside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjzO8TybsUIt makes sense for Fury to take the fight as well as it will almost certainly be his biggest payday win or lose. If he loses they'll likely fight again with an even bigger payday, but wins he just goes on to the next biggest fight but right now that's the Wilder rematch. Fury is confident that he will defeat Wilder and he is taking it seriously as he really understands that a simple mistake could end a fight in the heavyweight division and spending money to step away will give Wilder more power while negotiating the pay scale at a later time and with the current contract Fury will earn the bigger pay. I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. Most of the part any boxer who losses for the first time will not take it very well especially in the heavyweight division because the main strength of Wilder was his intimidating factor and once that is gone then no one would be that worried and will try to replicate the blue print they have and the interesting part is whether Wilder can change and sharpen his style. Even i believe that Wilder could defeat many heavyweights but another loss could damage his reputation and that will impact in pulling a huge crowd.
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it. Boxing is business and every boxer do knows that but we cant really deny if we do talk about that pride part when losing into an opponent. Of course we do like to have that flawless record to make it more appealing.There are even indeed boxers who do still fight nowadays in spite of its age. A few loss wont really be a valid reason for a boxer to quit or retire into its career.Its just a dumb presumption.
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June 17, 2020, 10:35:11 PM |
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it. Boxing is business and every boxer do knows that but we cant really deny if we do talk about that pride part when losing into an opponent. Of course we do like to have that flawless record to make it more appealing.There are even indeed boxers who do still fight nowadays in spite of its age. A few loss wont really be a valid reason for a boxer to quit or retire into its career.Its just a dumb presumption. Agree with that, as long as there are still fans who watch the fight either from the side of such boxer or on his opponent then he can still fight and make money, everything is really up to the promoter as selling the fight is difficult if as a boxer you don't have a good fan base anymore.
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~ They're not going to give him 20 million to step aside. That's a ludicrous number. It would probably be a few million at best, but Wilder would make much more by taking the fight and it's the only opportunity he will have to win the belts back. He's not going to walk away from that for a small cash out. Fury has even stated he wouldn't even pay him 2 million to step aside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjzO8TybsUIt makes sense for Fury to take the fight as well as it will almost certainly be his biggest payday win or lose. If he loses they'll likely fight again with an even bigger payday, but wins he just goes on to the next biggest fight but right now that's the Wilder rematch. Fury is confident that he will defeat Wilder and he is taking it seriously as he really understands that a simple mistake could end a fight in the heavyweight division and spending money to step away will give Wilder more power while negotiating the pay scale at a later time and with the current contract Fury will earn the bigger pay. I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. Most of the part any boxer who losses for the first time will not take it very well especially in the heavyweight division because the main strength of Wilder was his intimidating factor and once that is gone then no one would be that worried and will try to replicate the blue print they have and the interesting part is whether Wilder can change and sharpen his style. Even i believe that Wilder could defeat many heavyweights but another loss could damage his reputation and that will impact in pulling a huge crowd. I partly agree with you. I do think that Fury wil win again and Wilder his reputation will be a bit damaged but we may not forget that he won his first 41 fights with knockout. Wilder will be popular enough to still draw huge crowds. The loss of Joshua against Ruiz, had a larger impact on the reputation of Joshua.
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it. It's really up to the boxer himself on how he will take his defeat and move and fight another day. Another good case is Ricky Hatton, when Pacquiao beat his ass, he was never been the same. In fact, news surface that we went into depression after that loss, doing drugs and stuff and he never fight again. The scar the fight put on him mentally was too much to handle for him. Maybe he generated so much money throughout his career that's why he chooses not stay out. However, he admitted it after many years that it was really devastated on him psychologically. So we will see what happens to Wilder if he is defeated in the trilogy.
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it. It's really up to the boxer himself on how he will take his defeat and move and fight another day. Another good case is Ricky Hatton, when Pacquiao beat his ass, he was never been the same. In fact, news surface that we went into depression after that loss, doing drugs and stuff and he never fight again. The scar the fight put on him mentally was too much to handle for him. Maybe he generated so much money throughout his career that's why he chooses not stay out. However, he admitted it after many years that it was really devastated on him psychologically. So we will see what happens to Wilder if he is defeated in the trilogy. Wilder is not going to retire, that's my prediction, and I even think that it will be hard for Fury to beat Wilder in the 3rd time, Wilder is also thinking of his future so it's going to be a slug·fest and we will like to see that as it's not a boring fight. We won't see the same Wilder, what we are going to see is a Wilder that is very aggressive in beating his opponent and I believe that will put pressure on Fury as he can't use his length advantage and he will be back on the conversation of the top boxers in the division.
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June 17, 2020, 11:45:03 PM |
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Going by what general consensus shows, Joshua will beat Pulev and Fury will beat Wilder. Pulev is probably going to never fight professionally again as his age will probably not allow it and Wilder will probably not fight again if he gets beaten by Fury again because his ego will not allow him to risk a third defeat.
I don't think so, I've seen a lot of fighters who are beaten many times already but they are still fighting, of course if Wilder will lose, although he lose twice but it's just from one fighter only, and he can still fight another boxer that could still generate money for him. Boxing is more on because of money, not because of ego, or whatsoever, these guys are living a different lifestyle than the normal people, so they need money for that which they can only get when they will keep fighting. Wilder at 34 years, he still have a lot of fights left even if he lose against Fury. The rest of your statement, I agree with it. Boxing is business and every boxer do knows that but we cant really deny if we do talk about that pride part when losing into an opponent. Of course we do like to have that flawless record to make it more appealing.There are even indeed boxers who do still fight nowadays in spite of its age. A few loss wont really be a valid reason for a boxer to quit or retire into its career.Its just a dumb presumption. Agree with that, as long as there are still fans who watch the fight either from the side of such boxer or on his opponent then he can still fight and make money, everything is really up to the promoter as selling the fight is difficult if as a boxer you don't have a good fan base anymore. and this match might not happen as the promoters are thinking that they will be at huge loss if they will push thru this event. bottomline in boxing is money after all. so if the promoters will not gain, i dont think they will gonna make it happen!
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Wilder is not going to retire, that's my prediction, and I even think that it will be hard for Fury to beat Wilder in the 3rd time, Wilder is also thinking of his future so it's going to be a slug·fest and we will like to see that as it's not a boring fight. We won't see the same Wilder, what we are going to see is a Wilder that is very aggressive in beating his opponent and I believe that will put pressure on Fury as he can't use his length advantage and he will be back on the conversation of the top boxers in the division.
He should retire. He's actually taken quite a few injuries in recent years, busted his hand several times and ripped his bicep just recently. He's not in tip top shape anymore, I doubt he can even throw his right hand anymore like he should do, considering that he literally damages his own body when he his people. Fury will probably mop the floor with him in 3 rounds next time. If it goes on longer, then it will only be because Fury wants to entertain the crowd some more. How can you be aggressive when you know that your hand is completely rekt?
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Wilder is not going to retire, that's my prediction, and I even think that it will be hard for Fury to beat Wilder in the 3rd time, Wilder is also thinking of his future so it's going to be a slug·fest and we will like to see that as it's not a boring fight. We won't see the same Wilder, what we are going to see is a Wilder that is very aggressive in beating his opponent and I believe that will put pressure on Fury as he can't use his length advantage and he will be back on the conversation of the top boxers in the division.
He should retire. He's actually taken quite a few injuries in recent years, busted his hand several times and ripped his bicep just recently. He's not in tip top shape anymore, I doubt he can even throw his right hand anymore like he should do, considering that he literally damages his own body when he his people. Fury will probably mop the floor with him in 3 rounds next time. If it goes on longer, then it will only be because Fury wants to entertain the crowd some more. How can you be aggressive when you know that your hand is completely rekt? Will this injury would not heal? As what I can read in this article, Wilder was open about his article and there is a healing time, so if he fight against Fury, I'm expecting that he has fully recover from that injury.
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June 18, 2020, 09:29:18 AM |
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54 votes in the poll so far
45 vote for Fury 8 votes for Wilder 1 vote for a Draw
Please keep voting. Even though the voters in the poll make it clear they are going for a Fury win please keep the votes coming in so can see what the members here think the margin between them will be.
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June 18, 2020, 11:24:06 AM |
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Wilder is not going to retire, that's my prediction, and I even think that it will be hard for Fury to beat Wilder in the 3rd time, Wilder is also thinking of his future so it's going to be a slug·fest and we will like to see that as it's not a boring fight. We won't see the same Wilder, what we are going to see is a Wilder that is very aggressive in beating his opponent and I believe that will put pressure on Fury as he can't use his length advantage and he will be back on the conversation of the top boxers in the division.
He should retire. He's actually taken quite a few injuries in recent years, busted his hand several times and ripped his bicep just recently. He's not in tip top shape anymore, I doubt he can even throw his right hand anymore like he should do, considering that he literally damages his own body when he his people. Fury will probably mop the floor with him in 3 rounds next time. If it goes on longer, then it will only be because Fury wants to entertain the crowd some more. How can you be aggressive when you know that your hand is completely rekt? Will this injury would not heal? As what I can read in this article, Wilder was open about his article and there is a healing time, so if he fight against Fury, I'm expecting that he has fully recover from that injury. It will heal on time. He has a team behind, and sports medicine has been advancing for many years now. And with so much money, he can hire top rate specialist to help him in his recovery. So the fight is still on I will assume and he will be 100% when their is a final date already. And this time, if ever he losses again, there should be no excuse.
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June 18, 2020, 11:33:54 AM |
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and this match might not happen as the promoters are thinking that they will be at huge loss if they will push thru this event. bottomline in boxing is money after all. so if the promoters will not gain, i dont think they will gonna make it happen!
This is one of the biggest fights this year, I don't think it will not be realize, it's given that they can't collect from gate entrance as there's no crowd allowed under the corona virus protocol implemented by the government but there's another option to make money, and that is through live pay per view. Biggest PPV in the sport of boxing is the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, according to this, Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao has 4.6 million PPV buys, so if they can hit that and we will translate that in USD value, I think they would generate at least $100 million from that.
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