[ BOXING POLL ADDED ]: Fury vs Wilder III - THE TRILOGY IS BACK ON !!!

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I'm actually curious about their battle contract? I see a lot of news that is only written, if there are official documents, maybe everything is clear. Does anyone have that? If in Fury's statement how many times has Wilder postponed the match, if that is true I think Wilder needs to do an evaluation, and Wilder also cannot sue that to happen because I think the Fury team is already disappointed because the deal was postponed by Wilder until his contract expires.

There is a rematch clause in the agreement in the second fight and all the television channels were clamoring about it about the time period in which Wilder should revoke his rematch clause and if he does the money split will be 60% to Tyson Fury and 40% to Wilder. Now what the reports are coming out is that there are disputes in the agreement and there will be clause for Tyson to reject the rematch if it is not favoring him and hence Wilder is crying about it now .

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[JollyGood]

The re-match clause correctly balanced the payout terms in the favour of the victor 60%-40% but exactly what was Wilder complaining about. Fury was ready for the match and agreed several dates before the December 2020 one but again Wilder was running about creating smokescreens ultimately forcing Fury to walk away and seek a fight with Joshua.

Fury did nothing wrong here, it seems Wilder was the one who was finding excuses to avoid the fight.

[TravelMug]

Fury did nothing wrong here, it seems Wilder was the one who was finding excuses to avoid the fight.

Exactly, and with his recent revelation? I don't know how boxing fans will believed his story though. On the contrary, if there is someone who have to complain, it should be Tyson Fury because majority thinks he won the first fight fair and square.

But instead of complaining, he proved something in the rematch. Poor Wilder though, it seems from his antics and excuses that he doesn't want any piece of Fury.

[hilariousetc]

I'm actually curious about their battle contract? I see a lot of news that is only written, if there are official documents, maybe everything is clear. Does anyone have that? If in Fury's statement how many times has Wilder postponed the match, if that is true I think Wilder needs to do an evaluation, and Wilder also cannot sue that to happen because I think the Fury team is already disappointed because the deal was postponed by Wilder until his contract expires.

There is a rematch clause in the agreement in the second fight and all the television channels were clamoring about it about the time period in which Wilder should revoke his rematch clause and if he does the money split will be 60% to Tyson Fury and 40% to Wilder. Now what the reports are coming out is that there are disputes in the agreement and there will be clause for Tyson to reject the rematch if it is not favoring him and hence Wilder is crying about it now .

The rematch clause also comes with a timeframe that it has to be done by so a fighter can't drag it out and block his opponent from taking other fights. Usually they get it done quite quickly but obviously with Covid happening it's not really been able to happen and I'm sure both fighters have taken advantage of this unique situation and tried to exploit the terms. It's probably a similar situation to what happened with Messi at Barcelona. Messi had it in his contact that he could leave before the start of the next season and was given a date to do so by, but obviously the league was delayed so the time frame elapsed but the season hadn't actually started yet and Messi gave his notice. Messi argued that the season hadn't started yet so the contract was still valid and Bara said otherwise. Had he taken them to court he might have won but he said he didn't want to do that. It will be a similar situation to the rematch clause in this fight. The timeframe given for it to contractually happen has probably elapsed but we're in unique circumstances and obviously they probably couldn't have fought each other due to covid, or if they could it would likely be behind closed doors and lose massive amounts of revenue which neither of them probably wanted to do.  Wilder will certainly have a case to take Fury to court but depending on whats in the contract it may not be valid anymore. Some contracts actually even have clauses for things like pandemics or natural disasters etc that make the time-frame void or whatever and I'm sure they'll become more prevalent in the future.

Fury said in a recent video response to Wilder's bullshit that he will fight The Big Dosser again, but didn't say when. I think they should fight asap, Fury will probably win, then there's no disputing it and he's free to move on to either the AJ fight or whatever mandatory he has. AJ is fighting behind closed doors so there's no reason why Fury can't do the same with Wilder. The fight will probably do insane PPV numbers anyway or maybe just do it in a country that allows fans.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Fury has settled on a new opponent - Agit Kabayel. Kabayel has only fought at the European level so he should be a massive underdog. Unlike Fury's recent opponents, Kabayel is not very tall and will have a 6 inch disadvantage in height. Fury should dominate this fight and I do not see him having any problems like he did with Otto Wallin.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

@Yaunfitda. It is the only fight to organize especially after the way Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua showed their superiority over Wilder and Ruiz.

Also, who would like to watch a trilogy? Maybe only angry Wilder fans hehehe.

It is not the fans of Wilder that want to see the trilogy but the ego of Wilder and his management team wants the rematch as everyone is convinced that who is the better fighter and it was evident from the first two fights and now the way how Wilder is coming up with more excuses after excuses is really silly to hear about his loss and claiming that his own trainer might have poisoned him  .

[Botnake]

@Yaunfitda. It is the only fight to organize especially after the way Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua showed their superiority over Wilder and Ruiz.

Also, who would like to watch a trilogy? Maybe only angry Wilder fans hehehe.

It is not the fans of Wilder that want to see the trilogy but the ego of Wilder and his management team wants the rematch as everyone is convinced that who is the better fighter and it was evident from the first two fights and now the way how Wilder is coming up with more excuses after excuses is really silly to hear about his loss and claiming that his own trainer might have poisoned him  .

The fans just watch what the a kind of fight a promoter would offer, I love both boxers so I'll certainly watch if there is a trilogy, if there's none then I'm also alright, nothing will lose from me as I believe that Fury and Wilder will have their own big fight.

Wilder is not over yet, the man only has 1 loss in his career, he can still recover even if he would not fight Fury.

[Jating]

@Yaunfitda. It is the only fight to organize especially after the way Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua showed their superiority over Wilder and Ruiz.

Also, who would like to watch a trilogy? Maybe only angry Wilder fans hehehe.

It is not the fans of Wilder that want to see the trilogy but the ego of Wilder and his management team wants the rematch as everyone is convinced that who is the better fighter and it was evident from the first two fights and now the way how Wilder is coming up with more excuses after excuses is really silly to hear about his loss and claiming that his own trainer might have poisoned him  .

The fans just watch what the a kind of fight a promoter would offer, I love both boxers so I'll certainly watch if there is a trilogy, if there's none then I'm also alright, nothing will lose from me as I believe that Fury and Wilder will have their own big fight.

Wilder is not over yet, the man only has 1 loss in his career, he can still recover even if he would not fight Fury.

Yes, he can recover, but the only logical opponent for him is either Joshua or Fury.

He already clean up more of the fighters in the division, so Wilder can fight those who he beat already or fight relatively unknown which for sure will get a lot of heat because fight fans wanted him to Fury.

On the other hand, if he goes for fighter that has a poor resume or he had beaten already, maybe just maybe he can gain that confidence again to fight Fury or even Joshua in the future.

[Natalim]

@Yaunfitda. It is the only fight to organize especially after the way Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua showed their superiority over Wilder and Ruiz.

Also, who would like to watch a trilogy? Maybe only angry Wilder fans hehehe.

It is not the fans of Wilder that want to see the trilogy but the ego of Wilder and his management team wants the rematch as everyone is convinced that who is the better fighter and it was evident from the first two fights and now the way how Wilder is coming up with more excuses after excuses is really silly to hear about his loss and claiming that his own trainer might have poisoned him  .

The fans just watch what the a kind of fight a promoter would offer, I love both boxers so I'll certainly watch if there is a trilogy, if there's none then I'm also alright, nothing will lose from me as I believe that Fury and Wilder will have their own big fight.

Wilder is not over yet, the man only has 1 loss in his career, he can still recover even if he would not fight Fury.

Yes, he can recover, but the only logical opponent for him is either Joshua or Fury.

He already clean up more of the fighters in the division, so Wilder can fight those who he beat already or fight relatively unknown which for sure will get a lot of heat because fight fans wanted him to Fury.

On the other hand, if he goes for fighter that has a poor resume or he had beaten already, maybe just maybe he can gain that confidence again to fight Fury or even Joshua in the future.

What if he will fight Joshua instead of Fury? I think Joshua would not resist the offer.
The strategy is simple, let Fury fight Joshua and hope Joshua would lose so he can fight Joshua and winner of that fight would fight Fury.

I believe Wilder as a better chance against Joshua than Fury.

[7788bitcoin]

@hilariousetc Spot on, the pandemic has pushed the fight and the contract time frame might have passed and so is the reason Deontay Wilder is indirectly pleading to be a man and follow the rematch clause as they could not win if they drag that to the court  . On top of that the level of excuse for his loss is adding up by the day.

Fury said in a recent video response to Wilder's bullshit that he will fight The Big Dosser again, but didn't say when. I think they should fight asap, Fury will probably win, then there's no disputing it and he's free to move on to either the AJ fight or whatever mandatory he has. AJ is fighting behind closed doors so there's no reason why Fury can't do the same with Wilder. The fight will probably do insane PPV numbers anyway or maybe just do it in a country that allows fans.

The delay might be the promoters of Wilder as they do not want the fight to take place behind closed doors as the major share of the live gate belongs to the promoter and hence the delay and Fury is now not interested to fight him and he is going to fight another opponent. Another fight with Fury and the career of Wilder as a big PPV attraction will be over .

[YuginKadoya]

Many are really wanting to fight Tyson Fury so much, Bob Arum said that it is on Tyson Fury's end if he wants a trilogy with Wilder and it could be December this year, of if Anthony Joshua would win against Pulev we could see an Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury next year and Arum added that there are no available dates on the December if Fury would decide to fight Wilder that will be an unlikely date we could see them fight.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/772179/bob-arum-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-3-december-uk-joshua/

[JollyGood]

It goes without say Fury really did give Wilder a boxing master class when he demolished him in the second fight and let us not forget even though the first fight was officially a draw it was clear most neutrals would say Fury won it on points but it was awarded as a draw. Fury has nothing to prove to Wilder and I am sure he will out box Joshua if that fight ever happened.

Fury did nothing wrong here, it seems Wilder was the one who was finding excuses to avoid the fight.

Exactly, and with his recent revelation? I don't know how boxing fans will believed his story though. On the contrary, if there is someone who have to complain, it should be Tyson Fury because majority thinks he won the first fight fair and square.

But instead of complaining, he proved something in the rematch. Poor Wilder though, it seems from his antics and excuses that he doesn't want any piece of Fury.

[Mahanton]

Many are really wanting to fight Tyson Fury so much, Bob Arum said that it is on Tyson Fury's end if he wants a trilogy with Wilder and it could be December this year, of if Anthony Joshua would win against Pulev we could see an Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury next year and Arum added that there are no available dates on the December if Fury would decide to fight Wilder that will be an unlikely date we could see them fight.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/772179/bob-arum-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-3-december-uk-joshua/

Depends on the paycheck and if Fury would see that he would gain even more with AJ then he might consider it out but if his pride to do tell him that he had still some unfinished business
then he would come after with that trilogy fight with Wilder. Even with that first match they had where it indeed up with a draw, its clear that it had been cooked but on the 2nd fight
where Fury did really totally wrecked Wilders ass in the canvass.I dont see if there would be some comeback or breaking even on this trilogy and theres no
doubt that this will generate massive ppv sales.

[TravelMug]

Many are really wanting to fight Tyson Fury so much, Bob Arum said that it is on Tyson Fury's end if he wants a trilogy with Wilder and it could be December this year, of if Anthony Joshua would win against Pulev we could see an Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury next year and Arum added that there are no available dates on the December if Fury would decide to fight Wilder that will be an unlikely date we could see them fight.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/772179/bob-arum-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-3-december-uk-joshua/

Depends on the paycheck and if Fury would see that he would gain even more with AJ then he might consider it out but if his pride to do tell him that he had still some unfinished business
then he would come after with that trilogy fight with Wilder. Even with that first match they had where it indeed up with a draw, its clear that it had been cooked but on the 2nd fight
where Fury did really totally wrecked Wilders ass in the canvass.I dont see if there would be some comeback or breaking even on this trilogy and theres no
doubt that this will generate massive ppv sales.

What if AJ upset Fury though, (for sure Fury will be the favourite if they fought that's why I said it could be an upset).  Will Fury immediately follow up with a rematch with AJ or go to Wilder to finished their trilogy.

There's a lot of interesting scenario, and not just for the paycheck, but knowing Arum, for sure he has some back up plans already, specially if boxing fans are allowed to watch the fight live.

[Natalim]

Many are really wanting to fight Tyson Fury so much, Bob Arum said that it is on Tyson Fury's end if he wants a trilogy with Wilder and it could be December this year, of if Anthony Joshua would win against Pulev we could see an Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury next year and Arum added that there are no available dates on the December if Fury would decide to fight Wilder that will be an unlikely date we could see them fight.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/772179/bob-arum-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-3-december-uk-joshua/

Depends on the paycheck and if Fury would see that he would gain even more with AJ then he might consider it out but if his pride to do tell him that he had still some unfinished business
then he would come after with that trilogy fight with Wilder. Even with that first match they had where it indeed up with a draw, its clear that it had been cooked but on the 2nd fight
where Fury did really totally wrecked Wilders ass in the canvass.I dont see if there would be some comeback or breaking even on this trilogy and theres no
doubt that this will generate massive ppv sales.

What if AJ upset Fury though, (for sure Fury will be the favourite if they fought that's why I said it could be an upset).  Will Fury immediately follow up with a rematch with AJ or go to Wilder to finished their trilogy.

There's a lot of interesting scenario, and not just for the paycheck, but knowing Arum, for sure he has some back up plans already, specially if boxing fans are allowed to watch the fight live.

Anything could happen, either way, Wilder is just waiting as he has already said in the past that he is also willing to fight AJ, and I think if AJ lose against Fury, AJ vs Wilder will still be one of the biggest fights in the heavyweight division.

[JollyGood]

I have no idea why Wilder was playing mind games with Fury and his manager, after all he was the loser and he was the dethroned champion so it was in his interest to get the date for the trilogy sorted out as soon as possible but he has made mistakes and complained about too many things and made negotiations difficult. Wilder should have negotiated it in a better way.

It is really is all about Fury and Joshua now if they remain unbeaten before they meet each other.

Many are really wanting to fight Tyson Fury so much, Bob Arum said that it is on Tyson Fury's end if he wants a trilogy with Wilder and it could be December this year, of if Anthony Joshua would win against Pulev we could see an Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury next year and Arum added that there are no available dates on the December if Fury would decide to fight Wilder that will be an unlikely date we could see them fight.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/772179/bob-arum-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-3-december-uk-joshua/

[hilariousetc]

Fury has settled on a new opponent - Agit Kabayel. Kabayel has only fought at the European level so he should be a massive underdog. Unlike Fury's recent opponents, Kabayel is not very tall and will have a 6 inch disadvantage in height. Fury should dominate this fight and I do not see him having any problems like he did with Otto Wallin.

I don't know why Fury is taking fights like these. Surely there can't be that much money in this match up nor do I think others will care too much to watch it. He should have just taken the Wilder fight as that's the one everyone wants to see before the Joshua double.

@hilariousetc Spot on, the pandemic has pushed the fight and the contract time frame might have passed and so is the reason Deontay Wilder is indirectly pleading to be a man and follow the rematch clause as they could not win if they drag that to the court  . On top of that the level of excuse for his loss is adding up by the day.

Fury said in a recent video response to Wilder's bullshit that he will fight The Big Dosser again, but didn't say when. I think they should fight asap, Fury will probably win, then there's no disputing it and he's free to move on to either the AJ fight or whatever mandatory he has. AJ is fighting behind closed doors so there's no reason why Fury can't do the same with Wilder. The fight will probably do insane PPV numbers anyway or maybe just do it in a country that allows fans.

The delay might be the promoters of Wilder as they do not want the fight to take place behind closed doors as the major share of the live gate belongs to the promoter and hence the delay and Fury is now not interested to fight him and he is going to fight another opponent. Another fight with Fury and the career of Wilder as a big PPV attraction will be over .

It's usually the promoters that get greedy. I commented a month or so ago in here that Frank Warren did an interview alongside Fury and he stated there was no way the fight could go on behind closed doors... then immediately followed up with something like well, not unless some rich country wants to pay us to host it... basically saying that if Saudi Arabia want to throw them a load of money they'll do it there. Sure, they would lose a few million in gate receipts but I'm sure the fight would make the same back in extra pay per view buys.

It goes without say Fury really did give Wilder a boxing master class when he demolished him in the second fight and let us not forget even though the first fight was officially a draw it was clear most neutrals would say Fury won it on points but it was awarded as a draw. Fury has nothing to prove to Wilder and I am sure he will out box Joshua if that fight ever happened.

There's always something to prove. Unless the fight ends in a KO then there's always unfinished business  in my opinion. Obviously Fury was the better fighter in the second fight but he almost didn't finish the first one which ended in a draw and things could have been different had Wilder's coach not thrown in the towel. Personally I think Fury should take the trilogy fight, finish Wilder off so there's no excuses then and then move onto AJ.

[Baofeng]

I somewhat agree to what Fury's younger brother has to say:

"He's saying his team has spiked his water and all sorts of stuff, ludicrous stuff that you don't say as a sportsman. As an athlete, you just kind of take on the chin and get on with it. I think Wilder's in a really low, low state because he had a big ego. Everyone around him had big egos. I think to lose in the way he did, getting brutally battered for seven rounds, it's hard to swallow. I don't think he can swallow it. That's the problem here. Tyson's a much better fighter than him. Don't be making excuses for yourself and tarnishing your legacy, because that's all he's doing."

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-brother-wilder-tarnishing-his-legacy-with-cheat-allegations--153131

And with all the allegations spewing from Wilder's mouth, I think it was half a negative effect on his legacy in the long run. Unless he fought Fury again and then brutally KO him to get his revenge. But it seems that Wilder is already mentally damaged from the second fight that up to this day, his ego is so big that he can't accept his defeat like a man and making a lot of outlandish excuses.

[Japinat]

I somewhat agree to what Fury's younger brother has to say:

"He's saying his team has spiked his water and all sorts of stuff, ludicrous stuff that you don't say as a sportsman. As an athlete, you just kind of take on the chin and get on with it. I think Wilder's in a really low, low state because he had a big ego. Everyone around him had big egos. I think to lose in the way he did, getting brutally battered for seven rounds, it's hard to swallow. I don't think he can swallow it. That's the problem here. Tyson's a much better fighter than him. Don't be making excuses for yourself and tarnishing your legacy, because that's all he's doing."

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-brother-wilder-tarnishing-his-legacy-with-cheat-allegations--153131

And with all the allegations spewing from Wilder's mouth, I think it was half a negative effect on his legacy in the long run. Unless he fought Fury again and then brutally KO him to get his revenge. But it seems that Wilder is already mentally damaged from the second fight that up to this day, his ego is so big that he can't accept his defeat like a man and making a lot of outlandish excuses.

If he has an intention to fight Fury again, he should not be delaying the fight until Fury's camp already pissed on it and decided to look for another opponent, we can always say that Fury is the better fighter here as in our eyes, he beat Wilder not only once, but twice, one is just not on the record we want to see. No more talking, get into the ring and prepare for Fury since Fury is just waiting to KO him again.

Maybe he want to build his legacy in a way by accusing Fury of cheating that's why he lose. 

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I somewhat agree to what Fury's younger brother has to say:

"He's saying his team has spiked his water and all sorts of stuff, ludicrous stuff that you don't say as a sportsman. As an athlete, you just kind of take on the chin and get on with it. I think Wilder's in a really low, low state because he had a big ego. Everyone around him had big egos. I think to lose in the way he did, getting brutally battered for seven rounds, it's hard to swallow. I don't think he can swallow it. That's the problem here. Tyson's a much better fighter than him. Don't be making excuses for yourself and tarnishing your legacy, because that's all he's doing."

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-brother-wilder-tarnishing-his-legacy-with-cheat-allegations--153131

And with all the allegations spewing from Wilder's mouth, I think it was half a negative effect on his legacy in the long run. Unless he fought Fury again and then brutally KO him to get his revenge. But it seems that Wilder is already mentally damaged from the second fight that up to this day, his ego is so big that he can't accept his defeat like a man and making a lot of outlandish excuses.

If he has an intention to fight Fury again, he should not be delaying the fight until Fury's camp already pissed on it and decided to look for another opponent, we can always say that Fury is the better fighter here as in our eyes, he beat Wilder not only once, but twice, one is just not on the record we want to see. No more talking, get into the ring and prepare for Fury since Fury is just waiting to KO him again.

Maybe he want to build his legacy in a way by accusing Fury of cheating that's why he lose. 

That's not the correct way to build his legacy, the problem is that the fight is not happening and Wilder has been quiet and not opening his mouth for months until one day he accusations the Fury with tampering his gloves. Only history will judge Wilder though, but for now it has been damage already even Mike Tyson commented that Wilder is done already, his confident is no longer there and wants to hide with this excuses, which makes him fool.