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May 11, 2020, 09:24:43 PM
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Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?


It is very interesting to watch how the otoman hordes retaliate from time to time. At first I thought it was just wolwoo becoming delusional at each 1-2 months, but I was wrong. He takes an entire otoman baboons army along with him, for various events, mostly related to Trust system and ChipMixer campaign. They seem like a hive-mind, acting all at once. In an delusional manner, but as a hive-mind Smiley

All these remember me of the topic related to the war with Russians. Maybe this is what wolwoo and his friends are looking for? Huh

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May 12, 2020, 04:14:33 AM
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Maybe they are trying to rebuild the great otoman empire. As a joke, all their struggle remembers me of the name of this movie (the part with bold): "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" Smiley

Adapted to the context, it would be like this: Wolwoo et al: Financial Learnings of BitcoinTalk for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Turkey.

P.S.: if you didn't watch that movie, I recomend you to do so - it is very, very funny.

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Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?
Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.
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DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

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May 12, 2020, 07:29:41 AM
Last edit: May 12, 2020, 07:45:33 AM by wolwoo
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Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?
Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.
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He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.
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DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.
Who are you Loycev? Ha
Fuck if you don't like it
I left you a nice comment

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May 12, 2020, 07:53:23 AM
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Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?
Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.
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He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.
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DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.
You just received some nice paint too:

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wolwoo   2020-05-12   Reference   The arrogant racist of the forum
But I am the one giving false ratings here. Cheesy

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May 12, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
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Who are you Loycev? Ha
Fuck if you don't like it
I left you a nice comment
Quoting for reference Smiley Please read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (or ⚡ Yeni Başlayanlar İçin ⚡ Trust Sistemi Kullanım Kılavuzu) (which you've Merited already). Or maybe theymos' post on intent on the reputation board. I'll leave you a neutral tag, because unlike yours, my ratings mean something:
Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Just 2 days ago, you left this feedback:
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explicitly abuses the trust system
Double standards much?

You just received some nice paint too:
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wolwoo   2020-05-12   Reference   The arrogant racist of the forum
The word "racist" has lost it's meaning due to all snowflakes calling everyone racist nowadays.
I love how he instantly proves my point by leaving fake negative feedback. He must be really angry behind his keyboard Cheesy
He's at DT1 (-10) now. Shall I make him one of those?
Or just one of those: Trust score loading...

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May 12, 2020, 08:37:17 AM
Last edit: May 12, 2020, 09:26:33 AM by wolwoo
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If you don't think there is a world outside of you, you are wrong. Not everyone has to think like you, not everyone has to follow your handbook
Stop questioning people like a judge because you're not a judge

You act as you wish. You do not account. Everything you do is true. You teach us civilization. You you you you ...
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It is a crime for us to attempt bountye
Feedback crime
DT1 is forbidden
Merit eehh
Even if we skip rank, you immediately give negative and make the account unusable. In short, say "fuck off" or "go shit the corner and die".

You don't have the ability to empathize.
You are like a robot, all the beauty of the forum is lost
Your job is to discuss your strength, mock, slander, insult, ban, flag, negatif bla bla bla...

A nice compliment, a sincere "hello", good wishes ...we longed for them..
It is enough

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.
😂 You are really idiots and The arrogant racist of the forum

Lauda is also racist but not at least arrogant Grin

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May 12, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
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The arrogant racist of the forum

The more you use that word the more obvious it is that you don't know what it means. You're being criticized for your misuse of the trust system. And nothing is really "forbidden" or a "crime", some users just don't trust you and trust is something you have to earn, not demand from others.

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May 12, 2020, 02:53:01 PM
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Is it time for DT1 users to finally start adding these types of users to their distrust list en masse just to negate their ulterior motives?
I completely agree with you, some of these things should have been resolved months ago. I am glad that more and more users are becoming aware of this problem.
The more you use that word the more obvious it is that you don't know what it means. You're being criticized for your misuse of the trust system. And nothing is really "forbidden" or a "crime", some users just don't trust you and trust is something you have to earn, not demand from others.
I don't think wolwoo see it that way, he is more like "I will abuse trust and if someone calls me out I will just go full retard with racist/mafia/terrorist/insert any other victim card".

You are like a robot
You need to update that negative to "arrogant robot racist of the forum" or something like "artificially intelligent racist of the forum".

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May 12, 2020, 04:00:27 PM
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Wolwoo is in frenzy this time, fighting at the same time with The Clowns Cartel, The Dalton Gang, The Thick-Skinned Gang and Cult of Lauda Smiley

Nothing good (for him) will come after such lèse-majesté actions. Obviously , I don't expect from him to understand what "lèse-majesté" means, nor what he's doing here.

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May 12, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
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Thanks for the examples you gave below.

I have no idea how they same group of merit abuse and fake trust circle participants can just keep posting in the forum knowing full and well they have been outed and exposed as nothing more than just cheats.

They seem to pick out users they disagree with then attack in their droves. The whole gang attack the user at once like a hive headed by several of the regular users with questionable track records from the Turkish language board.

Handing out thank you trust and passing around merit in collusion is something that drives their ambitions and ulterior motives, the more corrupt users we tag the better it will be for the forum in the long term.


Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?
Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.
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He wrote the Trust System User's Guide. The information he gives in the Turkish section is very valuable. A knowledgeable member.
Lol Tongue



DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

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May 12, 2020, 05:52:37 PM
Last edit: May 12, 2020, 06:51:51 PM by wolwoo
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Does anybody actually know why this merit abuse gang and fake trust circle members have tried their hardest to scam their way on to DT1? Is it all really about revenge feedback/trust and trying to get on to well paying signature campaigns - and nothing else?
Look at wolwoo's sent feedback: it's mainly butthurt feedback that has nothing to do with being "trading with this person is high-risk".

Tom Bombadil, included by wolwoo, left positive feedback to Vispilio for translating my guide. The irony apparently is lost on him, because if he would have read and understood my guide, he would know that's not a valid reason to leave positive feedback.
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http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h/2715989.html

Tom also trusted you Cheesy Turkish users fall in love with their executioner for a reason
You have no right to interfere with anyone's choices NEVER

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DT-power and a circle of positive feedback makes accounts look a lot better than they should be.

I've been thinking about a possible solution: local DT! It's going to be terrible to implement, but how cool would it be if local boards would have their own local DT, where they can all pretend to have very trusted accounts, only visible for other users of the same local board.

Will there be a local merit application? If you want we can go out, you go on!

Wolwoo is in frenzy this time, fighting at the same time with The Clowns Cartel, The Dalton Gang, The Thick-Skinned Gang and Cult of Lauda Smiley

Nothing good (for him) will come after such lèse-majesté actions. Obviously , I don't expect from him to understand what "lèse-majesté" means, nor what he's doing here.

"a crime against the king, the emperor, or any other sacred ruler. "in the hurt majesty""

Who is the emperor here? Is Loycev, a member?

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May 15, 2020, 12:59:42 PM
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This deserves to be posted here because it highlights important issues:



So much drama because Visipilio has an imagined reality where if it was not for JollyGood and Lauda, there would only be Turkish members in the ChipMixer campaign. No matter how much you try to wrap your intentions in words of unity. justice. nationalism etc etc., it is amply clear to anyone who follows your posts since the Yobit days that you think about money above all. Even in your local threads, you guys keep talking about the Fortune Jack campaign and Chipmixer campaign.

You seem to think that everyone's aim here at the forum is to get into the ChipMixer campaign. You also seem to think that a host of other local users that were chosen ended up there because of help from some "DT clique" or something. You go on to blame LoyceV, suchmoon and everyone.

I posted on your local thread and was apparently referred to as "another tail account" or something. You are infecting the whole Turkish community with this imagined paranoia as well as calls to nationalism etc. All this for the imagined insults and imagined entitlement to the "Lucrative signature bounties" or whatever you call these.

Edit: Why do you keep insisting that some meritocratic members are being left out of the CM campaign because of someone else's intervention. Most of the old members in that campaign have already been there for a long time. Several members from other nationalities find place in the long running campaigns. Why do you insist that someone is trying to keep Turkish members out of these?

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May 17, 2020, 06:21:33 AM
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This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.
Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."
Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?
Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.
As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"

2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIO
The most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that.

But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM. The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here:

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Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
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just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival  in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.
I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here.

3. SCAM PROMOTERS AND PRESENT CONCERN OF TURKISH MEMBERS]
The less said about others like the unhinged wolwoo, the better. He is an old Turkish members who peddles shitcoins and Ponzi schemes there. The people in Turkish section are concerned and aware that lot of scams are going on there and they want to control them too.
tyorumunuz için teşekkür ederim. görmezden geldiğiniz bir kısım var: burada bulunan üyeler de scam projeleri ortaya çıkarmak için uğraşıyor, insanlara bilgiler veriyor. bu işi tek bir kişi yapmıyor. tamam, globaldeki gelişmelerden öğrenmiş olabiliriz ama bunu görmezden gelmeyin.

en basitinden sadece benim yazdığım 3-5 başlık:
--snip--
sadece benim yazdıklarımdan birkaçı. diğer türk arkadaşların yazdıklarına da bakabilirsiniz. ülkemizde bulunan bir sürü dolandırıcı borsa var. bunlar hakkında hanginiz bu topluluğu bilgilendirdiniz?

mesela merit ticareti yapıyorlar diyorlar. ben türkçe yazdığım için bana kim merit verebilir? globalden kaç kişi benim yazıma baktı translate ile? ciddi olarak soruyorum buna cevap verebilir misiniz? tefas fonları: 16 adet merit almış ve burada yazan yazı türkiye dışından birisini ilgilendirmiyor. bu konuya başka kim merit verebilir?
bakın türkiye'de kripto para ile ilgili çok fazla dolandırıcılık olayları oluyor. özellikle ponzi/piramit kazanç yöntemi ile her gün birisi ortaya çıkıyor. bu kişilere karşı burada kim yazmalı? ben bıktım artık bu dt olayından. herkes beni distrust listesine eklesin.


Translation:
Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore: the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.

simply the 3-5 titles I wrote:
--snip--

just a few of my writings. You can also see what other Turkish friends have written. There are many fraudulent exchanges in our country. which of you have informed this community about them?

for example, they say they trade merit. Who can give me merit because I wrote in Turkish? How many people from the world have looked at my post with translate? I'm seriously asking, can you answer that? [Url = https: //bitcointalk.org/index.php? Topic = 5245542] tefas funds [/ url]: 16 received merit and do not care where someone from outside who write turkey. Who else can merit this issue?
See, there is too much money in the fraud-related crypto turkey. Especially with the ponzi / pyramid gain method, someone appears every day. Who should write here against these people? I'm tired of this dt event now. everybody add me to the distrust list.




There is justified concern there because people are being added to distrust lists after they added Visipilio or Wolwoo to their trust lists. The good turkish members seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place. On one side, there is these "wannabe representatives" who are spreading poison by asking them to rally "against the forum" and DT-1. People like Visipilio are like eloquent politicians who try to misguide people by creating false image of a "common enemy". In this case, DT-1 and Lauda. Lauda posted a comment with the phrase "Turkish Baboons" (which they shouldn't have) and this eloquent politician is milking it to the hilt. For Turkish users who use google translate, even a mention of these words is sufficient to think that this is against their pride or something. Most don't dig deep and see real motives as they implicitly trust the "older" members like Visipilio and wolwoo.

Particularly dangerous are some of these "older" members who after being caught, are actually trying to hide their wrongdoings behind Turkish identity. I think the post above by @gospodin sums up the condition well.

4. CHANGING TRACKS FROM NATIONAL IDENTITY TO CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Visipilio has been quick enough to realize that his "national identity" ruse is not working. He has quickly changed tracks to make it about DT-1 conspiracy now. He thinks he has found a useful ally in the form of bonesjonesreturns. Here is my deleted post from his self-moderated thread:
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~~~ whitewashing, straw men & black propaganda galore as is typical from this NPC user... ~~~
 

Beyler bu troll'e cevap vermeye değmez aslında, biri emir vermiş git yolsuzlukları savun diye o da maaşlı eleman olarak görevini yapıyor,

@bonesjonesreturns aşağıda cevapların nirvanasını yapıştırmış zaten bu düzenbazların avukatına, oradan takip edebilirsiniz mevzuların aslını...
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Guys are not worth answering this troll, in fact, he is also working as a salaried employee so that someone has given orders to defend the corruption.

@bonesjonesreturns has pasted the nirvana of the answers below.
You want to portray "bonesjonesreturns", the earlier TOAA or cryptohunter troll as some sort of insightful user tells me your level of understanding. Despite, your very good english, you are a pretty bad apple, aren't you? You now want to make this about Blockstream conspiracy. Congratulations, you have passed all levels of being cuckoo.

You are not only envious and jealous but also untrustworthy. What happens in bitcoin is not guided simply by this forum. There is plenty of media out there. BTC has a 1 MB limit to ensure that it survives in the worst of cases. The way "actual money" should. If you are reading the blog from Faketoshi and are convinced by the likes of BSV and BCH, then that is again your problem my friend. You are welcome to put your money where your mouth is and stop worrying about BTC.

Blockstream is just one of the many companies that support bitcoin developers.A lot of the developers are still independent, including Greg Maxwell.
Also, I have replied to that idiot in the thread. Stop trying to misguide the Turkish community. You are trying to harm the forum as well as the BTC ecosystem just to get even for your trust rating?? Stop this madness.

This is the part where his propaganda has taken a new turn. The likes of him would love to have shitcoins all over this forum. Yet, As per his new theory,  Blockstream is conspiring with Bitcointalk forum and DT-1 so his precious alts (with which he wants to scam Turkish people) are kept away from this forum. Its quite clear why he says this. With BTC, the likes of him cannot make a fool out of the millions of new turkish users by pushing them into pump and dump schemes.
I summed up what Visipilio is doing in another of my deleted replies which i am reproducing here:

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You are an untrustworthy, unworthy fake individual who chooses to destroy when he cannot profit from something. I shall not be answering to any of your self-righteous rants. You are on the same level as bonesjonesreturn, though way more eloquent.

This corruption and nepotism you speak of is in your imagination because you failed to benefit from the forum. People like you whose "morals and ethics" are driven by personal gain are often the first ones to justify their fuckups by saying stuff like "Vice and Virtue co-exist". Of course they do Visipilio. We all fuck up at times. When we do, we learn, apologize if applicable and move on. People like you instead go into this cycle of self-justification.

Your negative trust has lead you to following conclusions in an evolutionary manner:
1. People are anti-turkish
2. DT-1 is conspiring
3, DT-1 is controlling even Theymos
4. Bitcointalk is being controlled by Blockstream
5. Blockstream is paying DT-1 to keep things suitable for them


In your blind justifications of your actions and your refusal to own up to your own fuck-ups, you are trying to mislead an entire community where you seem to hold some sway. But believe me, You cannot fool All of the people All of the time.  They will eventually see you for who you are. I hope there is still a chance for you to redeem yourself.





I request you guys to go into this detail and please avoid any collateral damage. That only allows these bad actors to easily misguide the people there. I also request users like @mindrust @gospodin @koincik @BitcoinTurk to look into this so they can tackle the language better. I have been using google translate.

In view of this developing situation, I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global. Visipilio is deleting my posts from local where other members were interacting with me and were not following his propaganda.  Can't we have some education and discussion there instead of randomly negging everyone based on association??


PS: I am new to this drama and i know people may have tried taking the accommodating approach i am advocating that i maybe unaware of. Attitudes have hardened due to a few old Turkish members. Yet, there should be effort to identify the better people. It maybe that people are actually afraid of the likes of Visipilio and Wolwoo. Visipilio has not shied away from making physical threats against the linkes of @mindrust who tried to counter him at the local section.

Outsiders like me can only do so much. It is the people in Turkish local themselves who have to decide if they want to continue supporting these people who promote shitcoins, scams, ponzi schemes as well as conspiracy theories about this forum. This forum is about Bitcoin. If you think that you are not able to get rich from your altcoin, that is not the problem if this forum. That is just because those things don't have justified utility.

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May 17, 2020, 06:40:29 AM
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Fortunately, DS announced on the campaign main topic that tomorrow he will decide who are the new participants. I hope that after tomorrow all this drama will end and all the Turks will return to their bussines.

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May 17, 2020, 06:57:29 AM
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I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global.
I don't think anyone is distrusting users just for being Turkish. That would be a very long distrust list.

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May 17, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
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Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore: the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.

please use different translate program. for example: yandex translate.


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I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global.
I don't think anyone is distrusting users just for being Turkish. That would be a very long distrust list.

Don't worry, this list was prepared in June 2019. In the first stage, 26 Turkish members were taken distrust without a reason. For exactly 1 year, many of the default trust members systematically attack Turkish members and manipulate the default trust system by making up fake stories (and now, almost all Turkish members got distrust). Some of the attacks on Turkish members are racist attacks, others attacks came from users who want to manipulate the default trust system and want to participate in high-paying signature campaigns. The real problem here is not that we are Turkish, but the real problem is the untrustworthy default trust members who try to manipulate the default trust system and strengthen their authority. DT gang gave distrust and negative trust to Turkish users that are much more trustworthy than DT f-r-a-u-d-s-t-e-r-s. The untrustworthy default trust members who do not have a single trade in this forum and all they do is to participate in high-paying signature campaigns do not have the right to tell us who we must trust.
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1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER

Hi, dear @Amishmanish,

I really don't understand why everything is so exaggerated. I made explanations many times. Here and there:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246495.msg54435029#msg54435029

I found some judgments of Tecshare correct. I read their positive approach. He stood against the members who imposed collective punishment. I removed it from my list 10 days later. (Because @Foxup told me some things). Just like you added lauda to your list. You said that you participated in some of Lauda's signature campaigns. This is not enough reason to add to the trust list for me. But I respect you. Nobody has the right to question trust decisions.

I also participated in a signature campaign for a few weeks ran by Lauda when i was just a full member and never had any problems in receiving timely updates as well as the BTC. So I have my reasons from trusting them.

I am trying to get to know global members. It is natural to add or remove someone from the list.

Anyway, this happened last year. This thing that happened months ago was brought to the agenda. Only I was targeted. Why is that? Of course for the money. I was accepted into the CM campaign. Black propaganda was launched about me.

I politely asked Lauda with pm. Why did you give negative? The answer he gave me:

Hello Lauda, how are you?

What do you not understand about me? Nothing I can't explain. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Please let me have a dialogue. Let me explain myself to you. What do you not understand? I added @Tecshare months ago. I read his positive judgments. I removed his after 2 weeks. I did not know the previous fights.

I explained in detail here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500

I am waiting for your kindly return.
Hello you.

You would be ill-advised to approach me this way. I am much more informed on the situation that you think.

What information? I tried to explain that I am not a bad person. I have responded to the claim regarding @Tecshare. Let's talk together. Only in this way can we understand each other. I never want to fight. Diplomacy, dialogue, peace and understanding is the way I prefer.
It is unrelated to the thread. It is related to what you and your Turk colleagues are doing.  Smiley

What others do is their own responsibility. Your judgment should be about me. I did not harm anyone in my life. I always tried to do useful things in the forum. What have I done? I am waiting for your understanding, not your hate. You have been in this forum for many years. I think we can understand each other.
I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.

They are unfair. Drama is played. So I had to share pm. All their purpose is money. I dont care. I was removed, but I did not object. I respected and said I would be a better poster. I want the benefit of the community. What they're playing here is power war. They want more dt power. When a good poster develops, they hit him in the head. Not just me. examine the other negatives given. I understand the purpose of all this drama. They use power for evil. They use their DT power for threats and blackmail.

I will not be a part of all these dirty games.

Stay with goodness...


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May 17, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
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This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.
You would be mistaken. This started silently when I took over the Bitmixer campaign. Only with the listed even did it become publicly significant.

I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.
They are unfair.
The offer was the fairest offer ever towards the gang of Turkish baboons that you collude with. Had your intentions truly been honest as you claim, then you would have trivially just gone along with it. However, you tried to fool me but that got busted precisely with the PM. To be so abusive that I can only offer a 'consider understanding' says enough about your abuse. Published from my side for correctness sake:

Hello Lauda, how are you?

What do you not understand about me? Nothing I can't explain. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Please let me have a dialogue. Let me explain myself to you. What do you not understand? I added @Tecshare months ago. I read his positive judgments. I removed his after 2 weeks. I did not know the previous fights.

I explained in detail here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500

I am waiting for your kindly return.
Hello you.

You would be ill-advised to approach me this way. I am much more informed on the situation that you think.

What information? I tried to explain that I am not a bad person. I have responded to the claim regarding @Tecshare. Let's talk together. Only in this way can we understand each other. I never want to fight. Diplomacy, dialogue, peace and understanding is the way I prefer.
It is unrelated to the thread. It is related to what you and your Turk colleagues are doing.  Smiley

What others do is their own responsibility. Your judgment should be about me. I did not harm anyone in my life. I always tried to do useful things in the forum. What have I done? I am waiting for your understanding, not your hate. You have been in this forum for many years. I think we can understand each other.
I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.
Now I can finally delete this from my PM box as you have published it. Thanks.

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kzv   2020-03-05   Reference   Publication of personal messages without consent. Be careful of private messages with this user.
Waiting on this guy to leave you a neutral rating.  Roll Eyes


I made a similar offer to another person who approached me this way. Coincidentally, their 'honest intentions' do not include blacklisting themselves from DT1 either.

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