This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.
1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDERThe whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some
"Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.
Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.
Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."
Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?
Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum.
But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"
2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIOThe most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that.
But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM.
The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here:
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Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.
That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
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just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,
I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.
And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...
So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.
I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here.
3. SCAM PROMOTERS AND PRESENT CONCERN OF TURKISH MEMBERS]The less said about others like the unhinged wolwoo, the better. He is an old Turkish members who peddles shitcoins and Ponzi schemes there. The people in Turkish section are concerned and aware that lot of scams are going on there and they want to control them too.
tyorumunuz için teşekkür ederim. görmezden geldiğiniz bir kısım var: burada bulunan üyeler de scam projeleri ortaya çıkarmak için uğraşıyor, insanlara bilgiler veriyor. bu işi tek bir kişi yapmıyor. tamam, globaldeki gelişmelerden öğrenmiş olabiliriz ama bunu görmezden gelmeyin.
en basitinden sadece benim yazdığım 3-5 başlık:
--snip--
sadece benim yazdıklarımdan birkaçı. diğer türk arkadaşların yazdıklarına da bakabilirsiniz. ülkemizde bulunan bir sürü dolandırıcı borsa var. bunlar hakkında hanginiz bu topluluğu bilgilendirdiniz?
mesela merit ticareti yapıyorlar diyorlar. ben türkçe yazdığım için bana kim merit verebilir? globalden kaç kişi benim yazıma baktı translate ile? ciddi olarak soruyorum buna cevap verebilir misiniz?
tefas fonları: 16 adet merit almış ve burada yazan yazı türkiye dışından birisini ilgilendirmiyor. bu konuya başka kim merit verebilir?
bakın türkiye'de kripto para ile ilgili çok fazla dolandırıcılık olayları oluyor. özellikle ponzi/piramit kazanç yöntemi ile her gün birisi ortaya çıkıyor. bu kişilere karşı burada kim yazmalı? ben bıktım artık bu dt olayından. herkes beni distrust listesine eklesin.
Translation:Thank you for your comment. There is a part that you ignore:
the members here are also trying to create scam projects, giving information to people. not a single person does this job. ok, we might have learned from global developments, but don't ignore it.
simply the 3-5 titles I wrote:
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just a few of my writings. You can also see what other Turkish friends have written. There are many fraudulent exchanges in our country. which of you have informed this community about them?
for example, they say they trade merit. Who can give me merit because I wrote in Turkish? How many people from the world have looked at my post with translate? I'm seriously asking, can you answer that? [Url = https: //bitcointalk.org/index.php? Topic = 5245542] tefas funds [/ url]: 16 received merit and do not care where someone from outside who write turkey. Who else can merit this issue?
See,
there is too much money in the fraud-related crypto turkey. Especially with the ponzi / pyramid gain method, someone appears every day. Who should write here against these people? I'm tired of this dt event now. everybody add me to the distrust list.
There is justified concern there because people are being added to distrust lists after they added Visipilio or Wolwoo to their trust lists. The good turkish members seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place. On one side, there is these "wannabe representatives" who are spreading poison by asking them to rally "against the forum" and DT-1. People like Visipilio are like eloquent politicians who try to misguide people by creating false image of a "common enemy". In this case, DT-1 and Lauda. Lauda posted a comment with the phrase "Turkish Baboons" (which they shouldn't have) and this eloquent politician is milking it to the hilt. For Turkish users who use google translate, even a mention of these words is sufficient to think that this is against their pride or something. Most don't dig deep and see real motives as they implicitly trust the "older" members like Visipilio and wolwoo.
Particularly dangerous are some of these "older" members who after being caught, are actually trying to hide their wrongdoings behind Turkish identity. I think the post above by @gospodin sums up the condition well.
4. CHANGING TRACKS FROM NATIONAL IDENTITY TO CONSPIRACY THEORIESVisipilio has been quick enough to realize that his "national identity" ruse is not working. He has quickly changed tracks to make it about DT-1 conspiracy now. He thinks he has found a useful ally in the form of bonesjonesreturns. Here is my deleted post from his self-moderated thread:
~~~ whitewashing, straw men & black propaganda galore as is typical from this NPC user... ~~~
Beyler bu troll'e cevap vermeye değmez aslında, biri emir vermiş git yolsuzlukları savun diye o da maaşlı eleman olarak görevini yapıyor,
@bonesjonesreturns aşağıda cevapların nirvanasını yapıştırmış zaten bu düzenbazların avukatına, oradan takip edebilirsiniz mevzuların aslını...
TRANSLATION:Guys are not worth answering this troll, in fact, he is also working as a salaried employee so that someone has given orders to defend the corruption.
@bonesjonesreturns has pasted the nirvana of the answers below.
You want to portray "bonesjonesreturns", the earlier TOAA or cryptohunter troll as some sort of insightful user tells me your level of understanding. Despite, your very good english, you are a pretty bad apple, aren't you? You now want to make this about Blockstream conspiracy. Congratulations, you have passed all levels of being cuckoo.
You are not only envious and jealous but also untrustworthy. What happens in bitcoin is not guided simply by this forum. There is plenty of media out there. BTC has a 1 MB limit to ensure that it survives in the worst of cases. The way "actual money" should. If you are reading the blog from Faketoshi and are convinced by the likes of BSV and BCH, then that is again your problem my friend. You are welcome to put your money where your mouth is and stop worrying about BTC.
Blockstream is just one of the many companies that support bitcoin developers.A lot of the developers are still independent, including Greg Maxwell.
Also, I have replied to that idiot in the thread. Stop trying to misguide the Turkish community. You are trying to harm the forum as well as the BTC ecosystem just to get even for your trust rating?? Stop this madness.
This is the part where his propaganda has taken a new turn. The likes of him would love to have shitcoins all over this forum. Yet, As per his new theory, Blockstream is conspiring with Bitcointalk forum and DT-1 so his precious alts (with which he wants to scam Turkish people) are kept away from this forum. Its quite clear why he says this. With BTC, the likes of him cannot make a fool out of the millions of new turkish users by pushing them into pump and dump schemes.
I summed up what Visipilio is doing in another of my deleted replies which i am reproducing here:
You are an untrustworthy, unworthy fake individual who chooses to destroy when he cannot profit from something. I shall not be answering to any of your self-righteous rants. You are on the same level as bonesjonesreturn, though way more eloquent.
This corruption and nepotism you speak of is in your imagination because you failed to benefit from the forum. People like you whose "morals and ethics" are driven by personal gain are often the first ones to justify their fuckups by saying stuff like "Vice and Virtue co-exist". Of course they do Visipilio. We all fuck up at times. When we do, we learn, apologize if applicable and move on. People like you instead go into this cycle of self-justification.
Your negative trust has lead you to following conclusions in an evolutionary manner:
1. People are anti-turkish
2. DT-1 is conspiring
3, DT-1 is controlling even Theymos
4. Bitcointalk is being controlled by Blockstream
5. Blockstream is paying DT-1 to keep things suitable for them
In your blind justifications of your actions and your refusal to own up to your own fuck-ups, you are trying to mislead an entire community where you seem to hold some sway. But believe me, You cannot fool All of the people All of the time. They will eventually see you for who you are. I hope there is still a chance for you to redeem yourself.
I request you guys to go into this detail and please avoid any collateral damage. That only allows these bad actors to easily misguide the people there. I also request users like @mindrust @gospodin @koincik @BitcoinTurk to look into this so they can tackle the language better. I have been using google translate.
In view of this developing situation, I think it would be a good idea not to distrust the people in Turkish Local simply by association. Give them a chance to explain or at least see through this themselves that why the people like wolwoo, Visipilio etc are distrusted in global. Visipilio is deleting my posts from local where other members were interacting with me and were not following his propaganda. Can't we have some education and discussion there instead of randomly negging everyone based on association??
PS: I am new to this drama and i know people may have tried taking the accommodating approach i am advocating that i maybe unaware of. Attitudes have hardened due to a few old Turkish members. Yet, there should be effort to identify the better people. It maybe that people are actually afraid of the likes of Visipilio and Wolwoo. Visipilio has not shied away from making physical threats against the linkes of @mindrust who tried to counter him at the local section.
Outsiders like me can only do so much. It is the people in Turkish local themselves who have to decide if they want to continue supporting these people who promote shitcoins, scams, ponzi schemes as well as conspiracy theories about this forum.
This forum is about Bitcoin. If you think that you are not able to get rich from your altcoin, that is not the problem if this forum. That is just because those things don't have justified utility.
[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
