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[slaman29]

Barca did their part in El Classico, now it is up to Real to score theirs

Real played with my nerves to the maximum but good old Benzama came to the rescue in last seconds of the game. Will do good for my betting bank and help me forget pool results Pedri was clinical today and Barca looks like they finally clicked properly.

Now it is time to reinvest that money into Australian Open and see if I will be happy or sad in the morning.

You have no idea how relieved I felt. I should have slept, and I tried to, no way I was going to go out at 4am to find a match but I kept my notification on and it was weird... to see us go 3-0 up and then the score stayed that way until dear old Benzema helped us both.

As I mentioned above, I totally ignored ML and of course this was the one time it would have won me big. But BTTS was not bad too. All in all a good weekend because I made back everything I lost on just 2 games.

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[buwaytress]

Shame on you slaman, haha. I did a small ML on Barca, because they always seem extra motivated against Real under Xavi so I booked quite a tidy sum at almost 23/10. Absolutely no complaints from me, and from the match reports, seems like Real were just horrible. Of course, I expect them to improve by the time they come see us at Anfield... currently they are ranked favourites in that game a month away and that suits me.

In other pool news, Saint-loup has extended his lead...

[minime0105]

The super cup match between Barca and Real Madrid in King Fahd International Stadium was an interesting game that saw Barca total domination of the game that make them to win the match, Barca is a good side anyday anytime, the current form of real madrid make them unfit to win match their present result has been either draw or the are been defeated, benzema  scoring at 93rd minutes of the match helped them to atleast see a goal in this match despite that it was not what the expected in this match.

[darxiaomi]

I think we can apply the phrase "what happen in Las Vegas remains in Las Vegas", but like "what happen in Rihad remains in Rihad".

I don remember Barca playing that good since the MSN or before, it was a masterclass in all the pitch, and a unknow Real Madrid.

But back to Spain lets see if what i say at the beggining its true or Barca finally find his form.

[slaman29]

One of my freebets from the last round of prediction contests needs Sociedad to win today, but I made sure that's the only Spanish game on my ticket. Even seemed to do better adding basketball and South American football. Let's see if I regret.

But back to Spain lets see if what i say at the beggining its true or Barca finally find his form.

And to see if Real Madrid were just suffering like the Spanish were in Qatar or it's just a phase. By the way, it struck me actually that there are almost no Spanish spirit left starting in the final for Real... only Carvajal. Sign of the times?

[darxiaomi]

One of my freebets from the last round of prediction contests needs Sociedad to win today, but I made sure that's the only Spanish game on my ticket. Even seemed to do better adding basketball and South American football. Let's see if I regret.

But back to Spain lets see if what i say at the beggining its true or Barca finally find his form.

And to see if Real Madrid were just suffering like the Spanish were in Qatar or it's just a phase. By the way, it struck me actually that there are almost no Spanish spirit left starting in the final for Real... only Carvajal. Sign of the times?

I think this from a long time, the football has to end to the "Bosman law", its ridicuolous i know it have foundaments but this its out of control.

And for more pleasure that law its super cheated and by-passed with another tricks like... All the Argentinians like me have european ancestors so we took the dual citizenship and become another "european" by the law. So also the Argentinians doesnt fill the foreing quota.
And some Brazilians make the same, and Uruguay its in the same line of Argentina.

But this its not gona end, because the businnes its more and more big so this its gonna get only worse.

We alredy have teams without autochthonous players, and now we have some teams with also more foreign fans in their stadium than real fans.

[slaman29]

And to see if Real Madrid were just suffering like the Spanish were in Qatar or it's just a phase. By the way, it struck me actually that there are almost no Spanish spirit left starting in the final for Real... only Carvajal. Sign of the times?

I think this from a long time, the football has to end to the "Bosman law", its ridicuolous i know it have foundaments but this its out of control.

And for more pleasure that law its super cheated and by-passed with another tricks like... All the Argentinians like me have european ancestors so we took the dual citizenship and become another "european" by the law. So also the Argentinians doesnt fill the foreing quota.
And some Brazilians make the same, and Uruguay its in the same line of Argentina.

But this its not gona end, because the businnes its more and more big so this its gonna get only worse.

We alredy have teams without autochthonous players, and now we have some teams with also more foreign fans in their stadium than real fans.

I don't really understand much about the Bosman law but from reading about it, it does make sense, and if I have to choose between a club having power and a player having power, I feel like it must be the choice of the player in the end.

On the other hand as you say, it's used for so much bad than good at the moment. It's not just you, I think a lot of people in Africa do the same thing and even though it's illegal in many Asian countries, soooo many people do it. To get double benefits. Worse is the rich only can do that so they get even richer with dual citizenships.

We had one country I won't mention names but they field almost 90% of stars (including Argentinians and Brazilians) in all games in all Olympics flying their flag but they have not one root in the country.

[Trofo]

And to see if Real Madrid were just suffering like the Spanish were in Qatar or it's just a phase. By the way, it struck me actually that there are almost no Spanish spirit left starting in the final for Real... only Carvajal. Sign of the times?

I think this from a long time, the football has to end to the "Bosman law", its ridicuolous i know it have foundaments but this its out of control.

And for more pleasure that law its super cheated and by-passed with another tricks like... All the Argentinians like me have european ancestors so we took the dual citizenship and become another "european" by the law. So also the Argentinians doesnt fill the foreing quota.
And some Brazilians make the same, and Uruguay its in the same line of Argentina.

But this its not gona end, because the businnes its more and more big so this its gonna get only worse.

We alredy have teams without autochthonous players, and now we have some teams with also more foreign fans in their stadium than real fans.

I don't really understand much about the Bosman law but from reading about it, it does make sense, and if I have to choose between a club having power and a player having power, I feel like it must be the choice of the player in the end.

On the other hand as you say, it's used for so much bad than good at the moment. It's not just you, I think a lot of people in Africa do the same thing and even though it's illegal in many Asian countries, soooo many people do it. To get double benefits. Worse is the rich only can do that so they get even richer with dual citizenships.

We had one country I won't mention names but they field almost 90% of stars (including Argentinians and Brazilians) in all games in all Olympics flying their flag but they have not one root in the country.

What does Bosman law has to do with amount of home grown players? Bosman law is that low which allows players to start negotiating with other clubs for free when they have 6 months left  in the contract. I don't see how that is in any way connected. All clubs need to do is offer the new contract before that date and this law gives a bit more liberty to the players. One of the best laws if you ask me, players are not slaves and this gives them more equal terms when negotiating with the clubs.

[casperBGD]

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What does Bosman law has to do with amount of home grown players? Bosman law is that low which allows players to start negotiating with other clubs for free when they have 6 months left  in the contract.

agree here, but I think that is more important that players are able to leave club without transfer fee paid, if their contract expired, Bosman was not able to leave at all, his contract was expired, they set an enormous fee that no club is willing to pay, and he had to sign new contract with the club  (not sure if you remember that, but within Ex-Yu players were not able to leave country until 28 years old, and that is mostly why clubs had more chances to win something in European competitions)

but overall, I think that this is not football that I like

I would like to see Champions league with only Champions per country, no 5 teams from EPL, that could be another competition, something like Super-league or similar, but this way you get that CL winner is not Champion in country where they play, IMO that is absurd

[darxiaomi]

Because you are only seeing the main part of the case, but thanks to the Bosman case, all the teams of the european union can buy UE players without limitations, because in the Bosman defense he use the argument of:

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Jean-Marc Bosman's defense argued that Title III of the Treaty of Rome,2 of March 25, 1957, should be interpreted; 
This treaty establishes the free movement of European workers within the Union, which would prohibit national and international sports associations or federations from establishing, in their respective regulations, 
provisions that limit the access of Europeans to competitions organized within the European Union and that football clubs could demand the payment of an amount of money due to the hiring of one of their players by a new employer club after their contract has expired.

Source:Wikipedia.

So this set the precedent to make what i said in the other post.

Sorry if i cant explain better but its a law thing and its complicated in mother tongue to explain and more in foreign one

EDIT: Well in the english version of the Wikipedia its explained better in this part.

"The Bosman ruling also prohibited domestic football leagues in EU member states, and also UEFA, from imposing quotas on foreign players to the extent that they discriminated against nationals of EU states. At that time, many leagues placed quotas restricting the number of non-nationals allowed on member teams. Also, UEFA had a rule that prohibited teams in its competitions, namely the Champions League, Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup, from naming more than three "foreign" players in their squads for any game. After the ruling, quotas could still be imposed, but only used to restrict the number of non-EU players on each team.

According to a 2021 study, the Bosman ruling increased the competitiveness of national team football because it encouraged greater talent development.[6] However, it reduced competition in the Champions League, as non-established teams tended to sell their best players rather than compete against the best teams. "

[slaman29]

"The Bosman ruling also prohibited domestic football leagues in EU member states, and also UEFA, from imposing quotas on foreign players to the extent that they discriminated against nationals of EU states. At that time, many leagues placed quotas restricting the number of non-nationals allowed on member teams. Also, UEFA had a rule that prohibited teams in its competitions, namely the Champions League, Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup, from naming more than three "foreign" players in their squads for any game. After the ruling, quotas could still be imposed, but only used to restrict the number of non-EU players on each team.

According to a 2021 study, the Bosman ruling increased the competitiveness of national team football because it encouraged greater talent development.[6] However, it reduced competition in the Champions League, as non-established teams tended to sell their best players rather than compete against the best teams. "

Thank you for explaining this, I saw Trofo response to me and wanted to explain.

But you already did

Now I know it seems like it doesn't affect Asian football but it totally does, because every time UEFA makes a change, AFC also follows (it's not publicised but even when AFC does not, the local FAs always do something similar, and decisions announced like just before new season.

We used to have quotas on foreign players, and then it was great football. Then quotas gone, or increased to 50% or whatever, and then you have countries who have 90% foreign players but with dual citizenship which you can pass in 1 day the test if you pay for it, boom, you are citizen.

They say it makes national teams better, but I don't really see it. They say the football quality improves, I see it, but I also feel like local talents have not been easier to find since quotas were cut.

And I know it is not direct, but Bosman had a huge huge impact as with EU as with SA and SEA and EA countries (all under AFC). The timing of quotas is exact. If you think UEFA is tight with Infantino, AFC is in between that tight space, but in a one way traffic lol

[slaman29]

Great game from Barca winning comfortably in cup game (of course the opponent was not great but still with the way they played recently it was nice to see many goals plus clean sheet).

But wow even better from Real, coming back down from 2 goals!

Draw is live so now Quarterfinalists are Barca, Real, Atletico, Sociedad, Sevilla, Valencia, Athletic, Osasuna. Poor Betis!

Usual suspects mostly

Real Madrid vs Atlético Madrid
Osasuna vs Sevilla
Valencia vs Athletic Club
FC Barcelona vs Real Sociedad

[darxiaomi]

Real Madrid its the most blessed and lucky team on earth.

The yesterday comeback was pure luck in some way, because im seeing the game and Real Madrid it was playing really bad but i dont know how Villarreal start defending like shit, and Real Madrid players pass for the middle of the defense like nothing and in ten minutes it was a 2-2.

[slaman29]

Nothing really exciting to look forward to today unless you want to feel pain of Sevilla losing or Atletico maybe winning ugly at home

Tomorrow seems more interesting and I feel either Barca or Real might drop points, while Villareal will be trying to forget how they lost to Real in Copa.

Real Madrid its the most blessed and lucky team on earth.

The yesterday comeback was pure luck in some way, because im seeing the game and Real Madrid it was playing really bad but i dont know how Villarreal start defending like shit, and Real Madrid players pass for the middle of the defense like nothing and in ten minutes it was a 2-2.

Same old story as last season in the end. Play like schoolboys 80% of the game, play like Real for the 10% and then defend for everything in the final 10%

[LTU_btc]

Nothing really exciting to look forward to today unless you want to feel pain of Sevilla losing or Atletico maybe winning ugly at home

Tomorrow seems more interesting and I feel either Barca or Real might drop points, while Villareal will be trying to forget how they lost to Real in Copa.

Don't know, but I'm still betting on Sevilla, despite how terrible they're looking this season. Match against another bottom table team Cadiz wasn't exception. Sevilla were better side, but they struggled a lot. Now they're out of relegation zone and with good upcoming calendar, they can get into middle of the table. Didn't watched Atletico game. It seems that they solved everything early with 3 goals what probably let them to play their typical ugly footbal for the rest of game.
Real dropping points at San Mames against Athletic wouldn't be surprise at all. Not often you can get 2.40 odds for Real win in La liga. Barca facing Getafe, on paper it looks like easy opponents, but in recent seasons Barca often struggle against them.

[Trofo]

Real dropping points at San Mames against Athletic wouldn't be surprise at all. Not often you can get 2.40 odds for Real win in La liga. Barca facing Getafe, on paper it looks like easy opponents, but in recent seasons Barca often struggle against them.

That is the match to watch today for sure. Bilbao is usually quite though to beat at their home turf but Real is back in that mode when they are most dangerous. You know what I am talking about, playing bad, loosing and then turning it on to get all the points. My bet will probably be both to score on this one but I am not placing it just yet. First have to work my way trough some earlier games and tickets and then depending on success I will make the decision.

[slaman29]

Nothing really exciting to look forward to today unless you want to feel pain of Sevilla losing or Atletico maybe winning ugly at home

Tomorrow seems more interesting and I feel either Barca or Real might drop points, while Villareal will be trying to forget how they lost to Real in Copa.

Don't know, but I'm still betting on Sevilla, despite how terrible they're looking this season. Match against another bottom table team Cadiz wasn't exception. Sevilla were better side, but they struggled a lot. Now they're out of relegation zone and with good upcoming calendar, they can get into middle of the table. Didn't watched Atletico game. It seems that they solved everything early with 3 goals what probably let them to play their typical ugly footbal for the rest of game.
Real dropping points at San Mames against Athletic wouldn't be surprise at all. Not often you can get 2.40 odds for Real win in La liga. Barca facing Getafe, on paper it looks like easy opponents, but in recent seasons Barca often struggle against them.

Well done to you, they got all they needed to win, and I guess every favorite won last night, of course the night I decide not to put any money.

3 goals from Atletico stunned us all, I went for 1-0 which I thought was quite normal but apparently only darbit in our group expected them to score 3 goals, just too bad it was 3-1 prediction from him. 7 points so far which is one of my better performance in a week, still loads of games to go and table is not changed.

That is the match to watch today for sure. Bilbao is usually quite though to beat at their home turf but Real is back in that mode when they are most dangerous. You know what I am talking about, playing bad, loosing and then turning it on to get all the points. My bet will probably be both to score on this one but I am not placing it just yet. First have to work my way trough some earlier games and tickets and then depending on success I will make the decision.

I'm losing every turn I take so also going to wait before I go to bed and place my bets. The way it is I might be better off keeping money when it comes to Barca and then just trying a bit on every Real game to lose HT and win FT.

[buwaytress]

Not sure where to mention it but Spain just drew Italy in the Nations League semis (Cro gets to meet Netherlands). Yea, I know, glorified friendly but still something to look forward to once this season ends, not that it's going to be really that special.

In other almost unrelated news, anyone else thinks we should have some more draw drama in Copa del Rey? Or is the time for regular ML come for Barca and Sevilla?

[casperBGD]

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regular ML come for Barca and Sevilla?

Barca should be regular ML, it is already 30 minutes goalless, maybe worth wait for HT for ML odds to go up (actually atm, despite being 0:0, odds on ML are lower than before match)
but Sevilla is a big question mark, and I would call Osasuna ML prior to Sevilla ML, but it could be fire tonight

certainly more interested in tomorrow, but not on Madrid derby, on Valencia to beat Bilbao, in a last season SF repeat, only way to save season

[Trofo]

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regular ML come for Barca and Sevilla?

Barca should be regular ML, it is already 30 minutes goalless, maybe worth wait for HT for ML odds to go up (actually atm, despite being 0:0, odds on ML are lower than before match)
but Sevilla is a big question mark, and I would call Osasuna ML prior to Sevilla ML, but it could be fire tonight

certainly more interested in tomorrow, but not on Madrid derby, on Valencia to beat Bilbao, in a last season SF repeat, only way to save season

Well odds on Barca are shit for a reason. Barca was much better whole first half and already had 11 shots while Sociedad had only one and than to make it worse Sociedad got a red card at the end of a half. This should be Barca ML easy.

I am not betting anything on Sevilla, I have been burnt by them too many times. I just know it will go opposite of my prediction. Just glad I don't have to put result in Superbru so I can ignore this one completely.