Premier League Prediction Thread 2024/2025

[Nheer]

I think I'm more surprised with Everton results compared to other promotion teams. Then again they also struggled last season and the season before so that's that. Considering the players on that team I'd expect better result tbh, although the matchup is arguably not easy. Brighton and Spurs are definitely way better than them atm. I don't know whether the problem lies on their tactics or the players, but if nothing changes they'll probably fight relegation again this season.

It’s quite unfortunate that Everton are struggling, i also expected more from them with the quality of players they have they should be able to survive the season and not battle relegation.

Their first matches were quite tough, Tottenham and Brighton are strong teams and because Everton are still struggling to find their feet I didn’t expect they could win either Brighton or Tottenham but i expected them to win Bournemouth at least. The defeat at Goodison park was a disappointing one that no one saw coming, they bottled a 2 goal lead that could have changed the performance of the team and lifted the team spirit but they couldn’t protect the lead.

They have a lot of work to do, they need to improve their performance as soon as possible if they don’t want to be stuck trying to fight their way out of the relegation zone all season.

[naira]

In the midst of Manchester United situation of losing confidence but being required to start again next week against Southampton. It seems that a club like Southampton can also make Manchester United unable to score goals easily. For me, clubs at the lower level of the standings can sometimes be better than Manchester United's performance this season. Even if Manchester United gets 3 points, it doesn't seem too surprising, don't be surprised if Southampton is able to dominate the game

Even though Manchester United’s performance is not consistent, the two teams they lost their games with are normally teams that look very difficult to defeat for Manchester United especially Liverpool. I don’t think United will be losing to Southampton in their next match because United is not a small team, and they have good performance just that their lack of consistency. Therefore, I will be expecting United to win this match as a revenge for them after they they were defeated 3-0  last weekend.

I am not saying Manchester United is a small team, of course everyone knows how big this club is with the most millions of fans in the world. But we return to the present with the situation of the club, players, coaches and management behind all of this is in a fairly worrying lack of confidence. Pre-season looks convincing and makes fans optimistic but entering the real season the problem of newly purchased players getting injured, their defense is still the same as last season without many significant changes, Erik Ten Hag does not want to be blamed for the defeat, Erik Ten Hag recruited more than 5 Ajax players without any positive results and the funniest thing is that Manchester United officials give full support to Ten Hag to hold the club longer.

I will enjoy it if Manchester United this season experiences many failures because in the end we will know who is the root of the problem of this club. Southampton is a club that can be said to be not a favorite to win this weekend but Manchester United is also not a club that can guarantee getting 3 full points.

[Josefjix]

In the midst of Manchester United situation of losing confidence but being required to start again next week against Southampton. It seems that a club like Southampton can also make Manchester United unable to score goals easily. For me, clubs at the lower level of the standings can sometimes be better than Manchester United's performance this season. Even if Manchester United gets 3 points, it doesn't seem too surprising, don't be surprised if Southampton is able to dominate the game

Southampton fought their way through to the English Premier League this season and it seems they’re going back to relegation because they’re incapable of handling the tough oppositions. Manchester United lost their peak and winning becomes very challenging for the Red Devils. Erik Ten Hag needs to put himself together because he has more responsibilities to take good care of and wouldn’t relent in any slight position of grabbing three points from his opponent. Southampton pulled to be a competent threat for the Red Devils, but they’ve to obtain winning which is generally important for the club.

[$crypto$]

I think I'm more surprised with Everton results compared to other promotion teams. Then again they also struggled last season and the season before so that's that. Considering the players on that team I'd expect better result tbh, although the matchup is arguably not easy. Brighton and Spurs are definitely way better than them atm. I don't know whether the problem lies on their tactics or the players, but if nothing changes they'll probably fight relegation again this season.

It’s quite unfortunate that Everton are struggling, i also expected more from them with the quality of players they have they should be able to survive the season and not battle relegation.

Their first matches were quite tough, Tottenham and Brighton are strong teams and because Everton are still struggling to find their feet I didn’t expect they could win either Brighton or Tottenham but i expected them to win Bournemouth at least. The defeat at Goodison park was a disappointing one that no one saw coming, they bottled a 2 goal lead that could have changed the performance of the team and lifted the team spirit but they couldn’t protect the lead.

They have a lot of work to do, they need to improve their performance as soon as possible if they don’t want to be stuck trying to fight their way out of the relegation zone all season.

There is still a long way for Everton to fight to improve their game which is getting worse every day, losing to Brighton and Spurs is very natural because this team is too strong for Everton but losing to Bournemouth is really embarrassing especially when you get a comeback at the end who is not bitter to see this which should be able to win even become defeated.
At least with a long time Everton can make a thorough evaluation because they seem to have no direction to play.

[junder]

The problem was Ten Hag's coaching issue. He doesn't seem to know his team well. The way he played our fullbacks a way too high up the pitch, then leave Salah and Luis Diaz up the pitch has proven it. That strategy was isolating our CB’s one on one against Liverpool's forwards. It's also triggered press to our CDM. It helps our opponent to get moments to be one on one against our defenders. And it helps Liverpool to beat us 3-0.

I have often said that Ten Hag is not suitable to coach a club like Man United, there is too much competition, he is not strong enough. The pressure from the fans is very high, his ability is not in the English league.
does not mean that I underestimate his ability, but the fact is that. How long will MU management give trust and provide fresh funds to buy players. but there is no progress shown.
The fans want the red devils to rise. The bad result against Liverpool indicates that the future will be the same.

[Lannakosa]

Everton have made little effort to strengthen their squad. So we can see a weaker performance from Everton this season. The team lost all three matches. And Everton is now at the last position of the points table.

Last season we saw a weak forward lineup in Everton's squad. The team had a lot of problems scoring goals. Their defense is also very weak with a weak forward this season. In 3 matches, Everton scored only 2 goals and conceded 10 goals. With such a bad defense, Everton is more likely to stay in the relegation zone.

Everton should have made the big fund this season and taken the necessary steps to strengthen the squad. Everton have added Jake O'Brien to the squad to strengthen their defense but he has not been performing well. Everton should have tried to add more experienced players to the squad.

It's a shame to see how poorly Everton's defense is playing and it's obvious that Pickford can't do anything on his own. They had no chance against Brighton and Tottenham but against Bournemouth it seemed like they were going to get the win they needed, and they were 2-0 up until the 87th minute, but then they managed to concede 3 goals in the remaining time, terrible defense, shots from the flanks ended in goals, and so instead of winning they ended up losing and get 0 points.

In the next round they are going to play Aston Villa at Villa Park, I think that in this match they should not count on points either, Aston Villa is especially strong at home.

[Promocodeudo]

These opponents are not too strong but these matches won't be easy for Manchester United by taking into account their current poor form. If Manchester United can take advantage of these not too tough matches, they can exit the crisis but if they continue to get bad results, the mini crisis will be fueled and become bigger and more severe.

Southampton is at the bottom of the standings and will host Man United, I think Man United will be able to win the match if the ego of the players is able to lower to get points in this match, even though they will face Southampton at least Man United can win easily if they know how to win the match, even though playing as a guest but in the game is very different from Southampton, Man United is much more superior but the mistake that Man United often makes is the lack of contribution from all players who have such big egos and in the end continue to experience decline and find it difficult to get full points.

Everyone is currently collecting 3 points through Southampton, so it shouldn't be a very difficult task for Manchester United even though they'll be playing away from home, well we all know how poor they're when it comes to away games but that's not an excuse if they fail to win Southampton, what i think is that Erik Ten Hag is doing everything possible to get his team back together after the International break and winning Southampton would buy the heart of fans once more and calm the current pressure on him, failure to do so would bring more questions on the media as to if Erik Ten Hag is the right manager to handle the team. You're right to say Manchester United is more superior though they've had a very poor start this season but they've got a squad that's capable of beating Southampton at ease and that's what they need to do, it's not only beating them but doing so with a good goal margin, about 3 or more goals.

I somuch believe that Manchester United will be defeating southamton in that match, although the red devils has not been impressive in their games and I won't judge them on that because sometimes is like that for some teams but the only thing I feel their manager should do now is to use all the available strategy in his disposal to reposition his team so that they can be up and running, I must say that there last match with Liverpool was a disaster, no doubt that such can happen to any team but my concern is centered on the fact that it is too early for a well known team like Manchester United to suffer such a humiliating defeat from Liverpool although that's by the way, yes of course, it is required of the manager to get his team in the right track to avoid putting his work at risk because no management is ready to entertain excuses when it comes to the business of football and I think the earlier the better for him and the entire team.
Superiority doesn't really count most time in football though we know the team that's more superior among the two teams however, what actually matters is the result at the end of the football session, Manchester United should get it right this time to avoid dashing the hope of their supporters.

[giammangiato]

In the first 3 weeks, it was clear that there were teams that could win all the matches and that was something that made us predict that those were the teams that could compete closely later. But of course the predictions will not be completely correct, especially since there are still many matches to be played, so it is possible that it will change as the competition progresses.
There are teams that can improve and there are teams that actually decline and we don't know which team will experience what. But for the top teams that are used to being in the competition, we will definitely believe more that they will be able to do the same, at least they have the strength to do that, although sometimes there are also those among them who have to decline.

Obviously it's only the first three weeks, it doesn't matter very much. However, I am amazed by Haaland, he already has 7 goals! Scary.
Some teams will do well now and then poor athletic preparation will cause their performances to drop
Furthermore, this year with the new Champions League in my opinion the situation is getting worse, the new format drains a lot of energy.

[Nanga Parbat]

Ten Hag has still not been able to make Manchester United compete with other top teams despite bringing in several new players in the summer transfer market, those who were successfully brought in are Joshua Zirkzee, Leny Yoro, Matthijs De Ligt, Noussair Mazraoui, Sekou Kone and Manuel Ugarte, but Manchester United has still not been able to show its best performance, the results in their last match were humiliated with a score of 3-0.

Manchester United have conceded 5 goals since the start of the season, they have only scored two goals and taken 3 points from the 9 available, dropping 6 points in the last two games has left Manchester United in 14th position in the current standings. Ten Hag is currently entering his third year in charge of Manchester United, but poor results at the start of the season have made his position increasingly threatened, several names of new coaches have emerged and are ready to replace Ten Hag if he is unable to handle MU well.

See why the will to win won't bring good players unless they play with good performance and hard work then how will you win matches.  If they play well and support each other, they will definitely win and there are good players in the summer transfer too, then they should keep winning.  If they play as well as them, they will beat them, otherwise do whatever they want.  Manchester is a good team but not good enough to beat the summer transfer.  But it can be hard to say that it will happen only when they weaken or it turns into good performance.  And this shows that they are strong enough to do it and how much.  Manchester team is good but they spoil themselves in the game which is why their position is so low today.  If you work hard, you can get a lower number.  They should know that it is hard work and struggle. If they play together, they can save their position.  Otherwise their solution is the same as what you are telling.

[SOKO-DEKE]

In the midst of Manchester United situation of losing confidence but being required to start again next week against Southampton. It seems that a club like Southampton can also make Manchester United unable to score goals easily. For me, clubs at the lower level of the standings can sometimes be better than Manchester United's performance this season. Even if Manchester United gets 3 points, it doesn't seem too surprising, don't be surprised if Southampton is able to dominate the game

Southampton does not seem to be in good form from my observation of their performance. Also, the way Manchester United is playing currently, I don't have much confidence in them. However, I have a little confidence that Manchester United will try to come out with three points in the match. But what I know is that the match may not be so easy for Manchester United to win, and that's why if I want to bet next week, I don't think I can stake on this game. I don't have much confidence in Manchester United anymore; their games are becoming unpredictable.

In Manchester United's last game against Liverpool, I bet on Manchester United to score a goal since it was their home game. But surprisingly, Manchester United was not able to score any goals. In fact, it was really worse as Liverpool defeated them 3-0. If Manchester United continues with this form, I can't say they will finish in the top four this season again. But let's see what happens as they come back from the midweek break; maybe their performance will improve.

[Frankolala]

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In Manchester United's last game against Liverpool, I bet on Manchester United to score a goal since it was their home game. But surprisingly, Manchester United was not able to score any goals. In fact, it was really worse as Liverpool defeated them 3-0. If Manchester United continues with this form, I can't say they will finish in the top four this season again. But let's see what happens as they come back from the midweek break; maybe their performance will improve.

I would advise whoever is betting on Manchester united to be very careful or better still don't bet on them because they are unpredictable and not consistent with their performance so I see it as a waste of funds to bet on Manchester united instead bet on a different club entirely that you know has the higher chance of winning their match. I also lost funds on that match and that was when I concluded not betting on them till the season will be over.

If Manchester united is playing with a mediocre club I will not place my bet because united is now like an average club without direction or focus on winning their matches and they just play anyhow they like. This is what Ten Hag has turned the team into.

[Palakka]

The problem was Ten Hag's coaching issue. He doesn't seem to know his team well. The way he played our fullbacks a way too high up the pitch, then leave Salah and Luis Diaz up the pitch has proven it. That strategy was isolating our CB’s one on one against Liverpool's forwards. It's also triggered press to our CDM. It helps our opponent to get moments to be one on one against our defenders. And it helps Liverpool to beat us 3-0.

I have often said that Ten Hag is not suitable to coach a club like Man United, there is too much competition, he is not strong enough. The pressure from the fans is very high, his ability is not in the English league.
does not mean that I underestimate his ability, but the fact is that. How long will MU management give trust and provide fresh funds to buy players. but there is no progress shown.
The fans want the red devils to rise. The bad result against Liverpool indicates that the future will be the same.

Manchester United has fulfilled all of Ten Hag wishes to strengthen their squad, but the Manchester United we see today is not as strong as we expected due to the style and method of play applied by Ten Hag which is very bad and no different from what we saw in last season, The fans have demanded that Ten Hag be fired, but instead the management continues to defend him and even made Ten Hag an offer for a new contract extension, doesnt is funny?
what management is doing will definitely only make the fans hurt and they will actually lose trust in Manchester United at this time, I think,  with the current squad it is very likely that Manchester United will develop rapidly if it is in the hands of another coach who is more qualified and experienced in coaching, but If Manchester United continues to maintain ten hag as coach, of course it is difficult for us to see Manchester United becoming a contender for the English League trophy at the moment.

[Iranus]

Manchester United has fulfilled all of Ten Hag wishes to strengthen their squad, but the Manchester United we see today is not as strong as we expected due to the style and method of play applied by Ten Hag which is very bad and no different from what we saw in last season, The fans have demanded that Ten Hag be fired, but instead the management continues to defend him and even made Ten Hag an offer for a new contract extension, doesnt is funny?
what management is doing will definitely only make the fans hurt and they will actually lose trust in Manchester United at this time, I think,  with the current squad it is very likely that Manchester United will develop rapidly if it is in the hands of another coach who is more qualified and experienced in coaching, but If Manchester United continues to maintain ten hag as coach, of course it is difficult for us to see Manchester United becoming a contender for the English League trophy at the moment.

I just saw Chris Wheeler's report that Man United management are backing Erik Ten Hag to stay.

Source: https://x.com/ChrisWheelerDM/status/1830719881194676618

Now as a Liverpool fan, this is hilarious to me, and I think every Premier League fan who is not a United supporter does feel the same as me. What Erik Ten Hag has been doing for Manchester United so far, is nowhere near proper quality. A lot of United fan accuses him of being a "Cup Level Manager" and I think they are not overreacting. He has been nothing but mediocre, with the quality at his disposal. I think he does have some great tactics, but he is not able to get the best out of his players, he lacks big-time there.

He buys a lot of players, and Manchester United management does shower him with squad depth when they need it, but I don't think that was enough for Ten Hag. It's surprising that United management wants to give him more time, but if it doesn't work out, it won't be good for them. But yes, giving managers time does work out in the long term for a lot of managers, so I wish Ten Hag good luck, even as a rival supporter.

[hahay]

In the first 3 weeks, it was clear that there were teams that could win all the matches and that was something that made us predict that those were the teams that could compete closely later. But of course the predictions will not be completely correct, especially since there are still many matches to be played, so it is possible that it will change as the competition progresses.
There are teams that can improve and there are teams that actually decline and we don't know which team will experience what. But for the top teams that are used to being in the competition, we will definitely believe more that they will be able to do the same, at least they have the strength to do that, although sometimes there are also those among them who have to decline.

Obviously it's only the first three weeks, it doesn't matter very much. However, I am amazed by Haaland, he already has 7 goals! Scary.
Some teams will do well now and then poor athletic preparation will cause their performances to drop
Furthermore, this year with the new Champions League in my opinion the situation is getting worse, the new format drains a lot of energy.

But at least, if they have a priority of domestic league or Champions League, maybe they will be fine even though, I also think that the new format of Champions League will be very draining. Because of course,  playing against other top teams in the Champions League is also part of fighting for their prestige so they will continue to play optimally. Thus, of course the risk of injury will be greater this season but yes, hopefully the main players will not experience many injuries to be able to have consistent results.

Also about Haaland, it seems that Haaland started very well at the beginning of this season and thus, maybe Manchester City will also remain a candidate team to win the title this season. But even so, at least there is still Liverpool too, with their new manager I think Liverpool also still has a chance to get the best results this season.

[Marvell1]

In the midst of Manchester United situation of losing confidence but being required to start again next week against Southampton. It seems that a club like Southampton can also make Manchester United unable to score goals easily. For me, clubs at the lower level of the standings can sometimes be better than Manchester United's performance this season. Even if Manchester United gets 3 points, it doesn't seem too surprising, don't be surprised if Southampton is able to dominate the game

Southampton does not seem to be in good form from my observation of their performance. Also, the way Manchester United is playing currently, I don't have much confidence in them. However, I have a little confidence that Manchester United will try to come out with three points in the match. But what I know is that the match may not be so easy for Manchester United to win, and that's why if I want to bet next week, I don't think I can stake on this game. I don't have much confidence in Manchester United anymore; their games are becoming unpredictable.

In Manchester United's last game against Liverpool, I bet on Manchester United to score a goal since it was their home game. But surprisingly, Manchester United was not able to score any goals. In fact, it was really worse as Liverpool defeated them 3-0. If Manchester United continues with this form, I can't say they will finish in the top four this season again. But let's see what happens as they come back from the midweek break; maybe their performance will improve.

Southampton just got promoted, and they haven't been that good in the Premier League so far. They play a low block, they try getting draws in difficult games. A 10-man Newcastle got away with a win. So... if this Southampton team gets a result against Manchester United, after an international break, things are gonna look bad. Real bad.

I believe Manchester United will use this break to get back on their feet and to try and come back in the league after 2 devastating matches against Brighton and Liverpool. Now this break should be of good use for them, as this can help them recover and fix all their mistakes. Also, Southampton's low block might just be a fun day at work for their talented wingers Garnacho and Amad. Their new number 9, Zirkzee is also gaining form, even though he wasn't that good against Liverpool, playing against an easier defense of FC So'ton might help him to get his scoring boots on!

[TopT3ns]

The problem was Ten Hag's coaching issue. He doesn't seem to know his team well. The way he played our fullbacks a way too high up the pitch, then leave Salah and Luis Diaz up the pitch has proven it. That strategy was isolating our CB’s one on one against Liverpool's forwards. It's also triggered press to our CDM. It helps our opponent to get moments to be one on one against our defenders. And it helps Liverpool to beat us 3-0.

I have often said that Ten Hag is not suitable to coach a club like Man United, there is too much competition, he is not strong enough. The pressure from the fans is very high, his ability is not in the English league.
does not mean that I underestimate his ability, but the fact is that. How long will MU management give trust and provide fresh funds to buy players. but there is no progress shown.
The fans want the red devils to rise. The bad result against Liverpool indicates that the future will be the same.

Manchester United has fulfilled all of Ten Hag wishes to strengthen their squad, but the Manchester United we see today is not as strong as we expected due to the style and method of play applied by Ten Hag which is very bad and no different from what we saw in last season, The fans have demanded that Ten Hag be fired, but instead the management continues to defend him and even made Ten Hag an offer for a new contract extension, doesnt is funny?
what management is doing will definitely only make the fans hurt and they will actually lose trust in Manchester United at this time, I think,  with the current squad it is very likely that Manchester United will develop rapidly if it is in the hands of another coach who is more qualified and experienced in coaching, but If Manchester United continues to maintain ten hag as coach, of course it is difficult for us to see Manchester United becoming a contender for the English League trophy at the moment.

The strength that has to be built by Manchester United should not only be from expensive players they had. Manchester United still requires very strong teamwork and it is able to listen to Ten Hag and follow the instructions. Manchester United has not been able to work well as a team, which hampers it’s ability to clinch victories. Ten Hag has been working a lot and even ventured into gambling, but all these efforts are in vain when the team they have does not support each other while performing on the pitch.

[BitcoinHunt3r]

Obviously it's only the first three weeks, it doesn't matter very much. However, I am amazed by Haaland, he already has 7 goals! Scary.
Some teams will do well now and then poor athletic preparation will cause their performances to drop
Furthermore, this year with the new Champions League in my opinion the situation is getting worse, the new format drains a lot of energy.

It is true that we cannot conclude based on just 3 matches while the league is still far ahead with 35 games remaining it means anything can happen. Talking about Everton, they have been playing badly since last season, they were almost relegated luckily at the end of the season they were able to collect some points so they were in a safe position meanwhile, for this season, Everton is still unpredictable. It is clear that mid-season is an ideal time to pay attention to which teams are likely to be relegated.

[gabbie2010]

The problem was Ten Hag's coaching issue. He doesn't seem to know his team well. The way he played our fullbacks a way too high up the pitch, then leave Salah and Luis Diaz up the pitch has proven it. That strategy was isolating our CB’s one on one against Liverpool's forwards. It's also triggered press to our CDM. It helps our opponent to get moments to be one on one against our defenders. And it helps Liverpool to beat us 3-0.

I have often said that Ten Hag is not suitable to coach a club like Man United, there is too much competition, he is not strong enough. The pressure from the fans is very high, his ability is not in the English league.
does not mean that I underestimate his ability, but the fact is that. How long will MU management give trust and provide fresh funds to buy players. but there is no progress shown.
The fans want the red devils to rise. The bad result against Liverpool indicates that the future will be the same.

Manchester United has fulfilled all of Ten Hag wishes to strengthen their squad, but the Manchester United we see today is not as strong as we expected due to the style and method of play applied by Ten Hag which is very bad and no different from what we saw in last season, The fans have demanded that Ten Hag be fired, but instead the management continues to defend him and even made Ten Hag an offer for a new contract extension, doesnt is funny?
what management is doing will definitely only make the fans hurt and they will actually lose trust in Manchester United at this time, I think,  with the current squad it is very likely that Manchester United will develop rapidly if it is in the hands of another coach who is more qualified and experienced in coaching, but If Manchester United continues to maintain ten hag as coach, of course it is difficult for us to see Manchester United becoming a contender for the English League trophy at the moment.

Truly Erik ten Hag tactical formation and approach to all Man Utd matches had been absolutely poor, for instance playing Bruno Fernandez as false 9 is very wrong because he an experience creative midfielder meanwhile Rashford who played at the flank had been abysmally poor he should have been benched for a better winger like Sancho unfortunately Sancho had been sent away on loan, Further more sacking Erik ten Hag now wouldn't help the team because of lack of quality Top manager, from my own point of view the manager should be allowed to manage the club till January possibly there might be an improvement on the team

[salad daging]

Obviously it's only the first three weeks, it doesn't matter very much. However, I am amazed by Haaland, he already has 7 goals! Scary.
Some teams will do well now and then poor athletic preparation will cause their performances to drop
Furthermore, this year with the new Champions League in my opinion the situation is getting worse, the new format drains a lot of energy.

It is true that we cannot conclude based on just 3 matches while the league is still far ahead with 35 games remaining it means anything can happen. Talking about Everton, they have been playing badly since last season, they were almost relegated luckily at the end of the season they were able to collect some points so they were in a safe position meanwhile, for this season, Everton is still unpredictable. It is clear that mid-season is an ideal time to pay attention to which teams are likely to be relegated.

Everton always survived several times to the relegation zone they always managed to collect points even though it was very minimal but at least it was still able to survive in the Premier League.
Everton's situation now is indeed difficult to predict because at the beginning of the season they naturally lost and what is even more sad is that they lost to Bournemoth even though they were superior.

Yeah we in the middle of the season can judge how many points they won during the break, but I never thought Everton would collect more points, but at least this team will always succeed from relegation.

[SquallLeonhart]

I would say Ten Hag is not a good manager is a good call, but also we need to realize that United is not spending the money that smartly neither. Yes, I would change the manager right now if I was the owner, but I would also fire anyone who is making these type of unknown bad transfers for 100+ million dollars every single year.

I mean they could have easily got Osimhen this year instead of getting Yoro and Zirzkee and so forth, it would have worked so well for them, and now they are just waiting for good results instead, it's really a huge shame for them. The best idea would be just considering how we could make this work on the long run, if we can do that then we are going to see United finally change their transfer approach and try to get stars instead of potential players.