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October 13, 2023, 07:50:31 PM |
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Last season we saw the Arsenal team. This team has been doing great since the beginning of the season. And for long held the top spot in the table. At mid-season we thought Arsenal were going to be Premier League champions. But their performance deteriorated towards the end of the season.
Arsenal team has been performing impressively well right from there last season they were almost unbeatable which made them the number one on the table, if not for some of there chances they missed last season they would have won the last season premier League but Manchester City manages to beat them and won the premier League. But one of the good thing is that Arsenal team were able to come back to this season with the same form they had last season which makes them a big threat to other clubs, perhaps behind a good team there is always a good coach however Mikel Arteta has been a great and one the best coach of Arsenal, perhaps looking at the Arsenal team they have a lot of young stars which are very vibrant so there is a likelihood that the Arsenal team and will become just Manchester City that hardly loss a match in the future. Last season Arsenal missed several matches they should have won, and in the end City were able to shift the position they occupied at the top of the standings. In fact, if Arsenal were able to win the remaining matches even though they lost to City, they would still win the Premier League trophy. Unfortunately, fate and luck said otherwise. and vice versa, City was able to achieve the treble winner. This season, Arsenal remains a strong competitor team for TheCitizen. Even after City always dominated the victory for so long, Arsenal are now able to overthrow them in two different competitions. and what is certain is that Mikel Arteta's squad will be increasingly confident to stay on the right track in the Premier League. IMO, it was a loss for Arsenal when J.Timber was injured for quite a long time. In fact, if he wasn't injured, Arteta would have made him a core player. Plus, this player also plays a very important role when his team builds attacks. With the presence of this player, Areta can change his formation pattern. But what can I say, he can only wait until he recovers. Speaking of City, Pep Guardiola's squad is still a strong candidate to defend its title. Even though they lost two of their 8 matches this season, Pep Guardiola's team was able to bounce back with even better performance. Therefore, if Arsenal is targeting trophies this season. Like it or not, they have to work hard and continue to appear consistent until the end of this season.
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October 13, 2023, 07:50:38 PM |
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You are right with what you said, but you should also know that if there is no weakness or mistake from a club, the opponent wouldn't be able to win. I see Arsenal victory over Man City as a superb one despite the challenge that Man City had due to injured players. You should also take note that, it was this same opportunity that City used to get rid of Arsenal from winning the trophy last season. At the middle of the season Arsenal players had injury and because there was no good substitute, Man City took over the first position from them. This is football and the strong team must always win, and there will be no excuse that because we are weak, that was why you guys won us. Victory is victory no matter how it is achieved.
Mancity really tried in the match, they could convert their chances and tried to hold the game to a draw hut were so disappointed when a direct shot from Martenelli hit Ake a reflected into the post, well I still think that even though they had their complete squad in the match Arsenal would had still won the game, remember they've played Arsenal with their complete squad in another competition before the season started, though the game ended in a draw but Arsenal won in the penalties. Yes, victory is victory and there's no excuse to losing to Arsenal cause the squad they used is very strong and capable of defeating and Premier league team, I just think they were unfortunate and Arsenal player and defended property to keep them from getting the net.
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October 13, 2023, 08:10:41 PM |
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https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/13/RsZtP.pngBeing a Spurs fan, when Poch came in, I thought that's probably the best thing ever happened to Spurs besides Kane, in Spurs recent past. Ange is making things even better! The manager of the month two times in a row along with great results for Spurs. Ange is undeniably a fantastic coach to kick off the EPL season, and even Guardiola has had to acknowledge that Ange's tactics remain uncanny to counter. I believe the departure of Kane from Spurs has weakened the team, and surprisingly, Tottenham is now starting the season strongly alongside Arsenal. I'm beginning to consider Spurs as a more formidable threat than Arsenal because Ange, the manager, seems to be quite enigmatic. What I'm most looking forward to is whether Ange can maintain the top position until the end of the season. There are often numerous upsets as the season approaches its 20th week, with underdog teams occasionally springing unexpected surprises. Only consistency can provide the answer. As long as Spurs' performance is consistently upheld, they might indeed finish in the top 3 alongside Man City and Liverpool.
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October 13, 2023, 08:18:28 PM |
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Was Ten Hag's sacking a good decision? This will set a new record again for Man United. But indeed I read a lot of news in the local media, Man United players began to dislike the coach's policy. I don't really understand, but in these conditions it should be professional players with whoever they work with. But indeed if the condition has been bad then they could have bad results. It seems that the problems with Sancho and Ronaldo will be a problem that continues to be remembered.
You used past tense in place of future tense such that I got confused and began to search the threads were it was discussed that Manchester United has sacked Erik Ten Hang. Manchester United should not conceive of sacking Erik Ten hang because he is not the problem of Manchester United. If Manchester United insists and sack Erik Ten Hang, their problems will be like that of Chelsea who is always changing coaches. Manchester United management needed to release money to get quality players to Manchester United. Since the last 5 season's or so, there have been many average players in Manchester United. You honestly cannot use average players to compete with Manchester city, Arsenal and Liverpool. Let alone the risen stars like Brighton and Newcastle United. The owners and management of Manchester United have not put into thoughts or discussion to show Erik Ten Hag the sack letter. Sacking Erik Ten Hag would be a dump move honestly. That would be a dump way to acknowledge a coach that won both the way to the top four and winning them a trophy in his very first season. He also has more winning rate percentage compared to Alex Fergusons debut season as Manchester United manager. He will be given this season to thrive once more. Injures are the biggest draw back now. They will do better soon enough. Eric ten hag hasn't shown too much of success, especially considering the amount he has spent in signing players. Manchester United doesn't have any play maker, just as CITY have Erling haaland. United have a good number of average players that are trying to keep the team aload. Is it that, Eric ten hag doesn't have to foresight to pick good play makers for united. The comparison between sir Ferguson and ten hag isn't necessary, because ten hag hasn't shown any capacity to earn such comparison.
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October 13, 2023, 08:19:13 PM |
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Ange is undeniably a fantastic coach to kick off the EPL season, and even Guardiola has had to acknowledge that Ange's tactics remain uncanny to counter. I believe the departure of Kane from Spurs has weakened the team, and surprisingly, Tottenham is now starting the season strongly alongside Arsenal. I'm beginning to consider Spurs as a more formidable threat than Arsenal because Ange, the manager, seems to be quite enigmatic.
What I'm most looking forward to is whether Ange can maintain the top position until the end of the season. There are often numerous upsets as the season approaches its 20th week, with underdog teams occasionally springing unexpected surprises. Only consistency can provide the answer. As long as Spurs' performance is consistently upheld, they might indeed finish in the top 3 alongside Man City and Liverpool.
What else do we need to justified the fact that Tottenham Hotspur would be able to reach their peak this season afte an incredible performance portrayed. Angelos Postecoglou is a good coach to start with, winning Manager Of The Month two times in a row, implies he's doing an extreme terrific job. Postecoglou presence have pushed Tottenham Hotspur into an elevated new stage, everything working perfectly smooth Spurs this season. We should examined how consistent they would be able to comprehend their challenges this season, 100% focused on good results, nothing changed.
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October 13, 2023, 08:32:12 PM |
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Last season we saw the Arsenal team. This team has been doing great since the beginning of the season. And for long held the top spot in the table. At mid-season we thought Arsenal were going to be Premier League champions. But their performance deteriorated towards the end of the season.
The way the Arsenal team is playing so far this season is similar to how they played last season when they were at the top of the Premier League standings. Let's see if what occurred to them last season will happen to them again this season "another premier league denying them of lifting of the premier league trophy." Tottenham, Manchester City, and Liverpool are Arsenal's main rivals for the Premier League title this season. Arsenal will need to perform better and remain unbeaten than the aforementioned teams if they want to win the PL title of 2023/2024
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October 13, 2023, 08:34:56 PM |
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Ange is undeniably a fantastic coach to kick off the EPL season, and even Guardiola has had to acknowledge that Ange's tactics remain uncanny to counter. I believe the departure of Kane from Spurs has weakened the team, and surprisingly, Tottenham is now starting the season strongly alongside Arsenal. I'm beginning to consider Spurs as a more formidable threat than Arsenal because Ange, the manager, seems to be quite enigmatic.
What I'm most looking forward to is whether Ange can maintain the top position until the end of the season. There are often numerous upsets as the season approaches its 20th week, with underdog teams occasionally springing unexpected surprises. Only consistency can provide the answer. As long as Spurs' performance is consistently upheld, they might indeed finish in the top 3 alongside Man City and Liverpool.
What else do we need to justified the fact that Tottenham Hotspur would be able to reach their peak this season afte an incredible performance portrayed. Angelos Postecoglou is a good coach to start with, winning Manager Of The Month two times in a row, implies he's doing an extreme terrific job. Postecoglou presence have pushed Tottenham Hotspur into an elevated new stage, everything working perfectly smooth Spurs this season. We should examined how consistent they would be able to comprehend their challenges this season, 100% focused on good results, nothing changed. No doubt about their effort to be among the Tittle contenders this season,and with what they've done so far,one can finalise that They may possibly be out for something big this season,but that is strictly on one condition,which is the fact that not all players at Totthenham Hurtspur are on this level,the few ones that have this mentality are the ones playing,and should anything like injury hit the the team now,it will certainly worry the team, therefore,they need to sign players that will be backups,and those other players on bench won't be able to participate same way the other person were doing. We will wait to see where Totthenham will end up this season with their early performances.
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October 13, 2023, 08:42:31 PM |
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Ange is undeniably a fantastic coach to kick off the EPL season, and even Guardiola has had to acknowledge that Ange's tactics remain uncanny to counter. I believe the departure of Kane from Spurs has weakened the team, and surprisingly, Tottenham is now starting the season strongly alongside Arsenal. I'm beginning to consider Spurs as a more formidable threat than Arsenal because Ange, the manager, seems to be quite enigmatic.
What else do we need to justified the fact that Tottenham Hotspur would be able to reach their peak this season afte an incredible performance portrayed. Angelos Postecoglou is a good coach to start with, winning Manager Of The Month two times in a row, implies he's doing an extreme terrific job. Postecoglou presence have pushed Tottenham Hotspur into an elevated new stage, everything working perfectly smooth Spurs this season. We should examined how consistent they would be able to comprehend their challenges this season, 100% focused on good results, nothing changed. They've taken everyone by suprise and I won't be suprised if they remain very successful for a long time win the league this season, well it's not going to be easy but if they could add more players to their squad depth then winning the league won't be very difficult but so far Ange Postecoglou has proved that they made the right choice and with the way he's going I think he'll take Spurs to a new height and turn the team into one of the top four strong challenging team in the EPL. He's won the Motm award back to back and i this it's well deserving for a team were no where close to the top four but are currently ik the first position and are still unbeaten in about eighties matches so far, that's a very fantastic record for Tottenham.
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October 13, 2023, 08:42:56 PM |
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The drop zone is not looking good to be sincere, both Sheffield United and Bournemouth are struggling to win a single game. Although Sheffield United misery was actually kind of predicted to me because they were just coming, the other two teams are Burnley and Luton. Although I was expecting Luton to be last because of the depth of their squad. They probably have the weakest squad in the league but they have played well to be honest. The only thing lacking is they can not score goals and at the end of the day I don’t see them surviving the drop even though they are above the zone currently.
Sheffield United is the worst, they have just entered the EPL and don't seem very ready for a competition like this. It's not only about the readiness of the players' performance but also their mentality. So far, they have never won once and have only drawn once. I think they have very little chance of leaving the relegation zone, if the condition of their squad is still like that. ON the other hand, Bournemouth, heeem, I thought they wouldn't be this bad, but in fact, they haven't won even once. If they are still like this, it will be difficult to get out of this zone. Even though there is certainly still a chance for both of them to improve the team, especially since it is still at the start of the season. But they really need something that can make them more motivated and stronger. Even though the chance is very small. Meanwhile, on the other hand, other clubs are also trying to improve their performance well.
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October 13, 2023, 08:46:45 PM |
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Was Ten Hag's sacking a good decision?
No, I don't think it's a good decision. If Ten Hag is being sacked, then I am sure Manchester United won't be able to balance this season again. Probably what happened to Chelsea last season is going to happen to Manchester United if they mistakenly change coach this season. Ten Hag will be able to solve the United problem, but he should be given time. I know it's annoying for Manchester United fans see their club losing, but they shouldn't just make harsh decisions. How sure are you that the new coach that Manchester United will be signing won't be worse than Ten Hag? Manchester United fans complained about De Gea last season about his poor performance, so Ten Hag decided to sign Onana this season, thinking Onana would perform better than De Gea, but as we can see, Onana is kind of worse than De Gea, and people are complaining and wishing De Gea is still their goalkeeper. So if Manchester United will be changing their coach, no one is sure about the new coach that they will be signing, the club performance might even get worse.
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October 13, 2023, 08:57:42 PM |
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Last season we saw the Arsenal team. This team has been doing great since the beginning of the season. And for long held the top spot in the table. At mid-season we thought Arsenal were going to be Premier League champions. But their performance deteriorated towards the end of the season.
The way the Arsenal team is playing so far this season is similar to how they played last season when they were at the top of the Premier League standings. Let's see if what occurred to them last season will happen to them again this season "another premier league denying them of lifting of the premier league trophy." Tottenham, Manchester City, and Liverpool are Arsenal's main rivals for the Premier League title this season. Arsenal will need to perform better and remain unbeaten than the aforementioned teams if they want to win the PL title of 2023/2024 Thats correct. They have brought in players to fill up roles they lacked last season though. They will not play the same way they did last season. They're just being affected by Injured players absence. Mikel Arteta must habe learnt from experience and mistakes made from last season. I'm sure of Tottenham Hotspur competing. Manchester City we all know the force they will inject into the Premier League Competition. Liverpool have no defense, it'll be difficult and I can't root for them. I'd love to see Mikel Arteta leading Arsenal into wining the Premier League this season.
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October 13, 2023, 09:13:19 PM |
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Was Ten Hag's sacking a good decision?
No, I don't think it's a good decision. If Ten Hag is being sacked, then I am sure Manchester United won't be able to balance this season again. Probably what happened to Chelsea last season is going to happen to Manchester United if they mistakenly change coach this season. Ten Hag will be able to solve the United problem, but he should be given time. I know it's annoying for Manchester United fans see their club losing, but they shouldn't just make harsh decisions. How sure are you that the new coach that Manchester United will be signing won't be worse than Ten Hag? Manchester United fans complained about De Gea last season about his poor performance, so Ten Hag decided to sign Onana this season, thinking Onana would perform better than De Gea, but as we can see, Onana is kind of worse than De Gea, and people are complaining and wishing De Gea is still their goalkeeper. So if Manchester United will be changing their coach, no one is sure about the new coach that they will be signing, the club performance might even get worse. Erik Ten Hag hasn't been sacked rather he's still the current manager of Manchester United. But that doesn't mean he won't be sacked soon if Manchester United continues to perform abysmally as they've been doing since the start of the season. The Dutch manager is believed to not have been able to establish a good relationship between him and one of the club's first team members and that's why his ill relationship with some of his players has deeply affected the club's performance on the pitch. There's still some little time for him to make amends both ta tactically and off the pitch relationship with his players and return the club back to winning ways which is what the club is known for.
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Was Ten Hag's sacking a good decision?
No, I don't think it's a good decision. If Ten Hag is being sacked, then I am sure Manchester United won't be able to balance this season again. Probably what happened to Chelsea last season is going to happen to Manchester United if they mistakenly change coach this season. Ten Hag will be able to solve the United problem, but he should be given time. I know it's annoying for Manchester United fans see their club losing, but they shouldn't just make harsh decisions. How sure are you that the new coach that Manchester United will be signing won't be worse than Ten Hag? Agree. It is not the right time to sack Ten Hag. Man United will be difficult to get a proper coach to replace Ten Hag's position. I think Ten Hag already improved a bit Man United performance, he deserves to give the time until his contract expires. If Man United really wants to sack him, just consider it in 2025. There are still 2 remaining years, let's see what Ten Hag can do in the next 2 seasons. Who knows he can lead Man United to win EPL title in the next 2 seasons. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Manchester United fans complained about De Gea last season about his poor performance, so Ten Hag decided to sign Onana this season, thinking Onana would perform better than De Gea, but as we can see, Onana is kind of worse than De Gea, and people are complaining and wishing De Gea is still their goalkeeper. So if Manchester United will be changing their coach, no one is sure about the new coach that they will be signing, the club performance might even get worse.
Indeed. The same thing can happen with Ten Hag, too. When Man United sacks him, the nee coach may do worse. So, Man United shouldn't hurry to sack Ten Hag. Man United needs to give more times for Ten Hag. Let him to work until the end of his contract.
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October 13, 2023, 09:29:48 PM |
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Was Ten Hag's sacking a good decision?
No, I don't think it's a good decision. If Ten Hag is being sacked, then I am sure Manchester United won't be able to balance this season again. Probably what happened to Chelsea last season is going to happen to Manchester United if they mistakenly change coach this season. Ten Hag will be able to solve the United problem, but he should be given time. I know it's annoying for Manchester United fans see their club losing, but they shouldn't just make harsh decisions. How sure are you that the new coach that Manchester United will be signing won't be worse than Ten Hag? Agree. It is not the right time to sack Ten Hag. Man United will be difficult to get a proper coach to replace Ten Hag's position. I think Ten Hag already improved a bit Man United performance, he deserves to give the time until his contract expires. If Man United really wants to sack him, just consider it in 2025. There are still 2 remaining years, let's see what Ten Hag can do in the next 2 seasons. Who knows he can lead Man United to win EPL title in the next 2 seasons. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Manchester United fans complained about De Gea last season about his poor performance, so Ten Hag decided to sign Onana this season, thinking Onana would perform better than De Gea, but as we can see, Onana is kind of worse than De Gea, and people are complaining and wishing De Gea is still their goalkeeper. So if Manchester United will be changing their coach, no one is sure about the new coach that they will be signing, the club performance might even get worse.
Indeed. The same thing can happen with Ten Hag, too. When Man United sacks him, the nee coach may do worse. So, Man United shouldn't hurry to sack Ten Hag. Man United needs to give more times for Ten Hag. Let him to work until the end of his contract. I think they need to sack him,he was given too much time as a coach and didnt do anything and just shows bad rep for the club with all of his decision. After Ronaldo it goes downwards and that is a serious problem for the club. Players dont like him and that can only cause problems,he cannot replace all of the players.
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October 13, 2023, 09:48:43 PM |
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The way the Arsenal team is playing so far this season is similar to how they played last season when they were at the top of the Premier League standings. Let's see if what occurred to them last season will happen to them again this season "another premier league denying them of lifting of the premier league trophy."
Arsenal's performance so far this season is almost similar to their last season's performance, but there is a slight difference in the team; I feel Arsenal is stronger this season than last season. The reason they have already dropped some points is because almost all teams are well prepared to fight for the trophy this season, which is why they drew against Tottenham and Fulham United. But I am confident about Arsenal this season, especially as they have made some new signings in the summer transfer window. Tottenham, Manchester City, and Liverpool are Arsenal's main rivals for the Premier League title this season. Arsenal will need to perform better and remain unbeaten than the aforementioned teams if they want to win the PL title of 2023/2024
They don't need to go unbeaten because these teams you mentioned will also lose matches just as Arsenal will; if they really want to win the League this season, they have to win the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea just the way they win Manchester United and Manchester City, and they need consistency and avoid losing unnecessary matches.
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October 13, 2023, 09:50:16 PM |
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The drop zone is not looking good to be sincere, both Sheffield United and Bournemouth are struggling to win a single game. Although Sheffield United misery was actually kind of predicted to me because they were just coming, the other two teams are Burnley and Luton. Although I was expecting Luton to be last because of the depth of their squad. They probably have the weakest squad in the league but they have played well to be honest. The only thing lacking is they can not score goals and at the end of the day I don’t see them surviving the drop even though they are above the zone currently.
The next two relegation candidates that the battle for the last spot will be fought with is between Burnley and Bournemouth. Bournemouth survived the fall last season but it was evident with the way they have started this season that they will definitely need to do better to remain in the league and they are not doing that. Burnley on the other hand are showing signs of a team that love to hold the ball very much, against a team of your caliber you can do that and that’s why they almost went undefeated in the championship last season. But against premier league clubs, I don’t see Kompany’s men standing a chance. Even if This is there new identity I think the Kompany needs to twerk it a beat and learn how to sit deep and hurt some big clubs on counter.
Burnley have recorded 1 win so far and there is great hope that they will be able to improve their performance in the upcoming matches to improve their ranking in the standings table. Seeing the performance of several teams at the bottom of the standings, especially in the relegation zone, of course they will try quite hard to be able to show their best performance in the upcoming matches. They will continue to compete with each other this season, especially since they still have a lot of time to improve their performance. The competition this season is so tight in every match that some teams even find it quite difficult to get their first win of the season. Sheffield United and Bournemouth are both yet to achieve their first win of the season. The performance of these two teams has been quite poor and if nothing changes after the international break I think they will struggle to get out of the relegation zone.
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I think they need to sack him,he was given too much time as a coach and didnt do anything and just shows bad rep for the club with all of his decision. After Ronaldo it goes downwards and that is a serious problem for the club. Players dont like him and that can only cause problems,he cannot replace all of the players.
Don't forget his achievements last season he managed to bring Manchester to finish in the 3rd place and that's without Ronaldo. Indeed, this season Manchester United's performance has not improved, I think Ten Hag should be given a chance until this season is over and see how Manchester ends the season. Jadon Sancho does have problems with Ten Hag but that doesn't describe all players and Ten Hag has reasons why he should do it, Ten Hag's current focus is on getting out of pressure and preparing other alternatives to overcome injuries and internal problems.
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October 13, 2023, 09:58:59 PM |
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What else do we need to justified the fact that Tottenham Hotspur would be able to reach their peak this season afte an incredible performance portrayed. Angelos Postecoglou is a good coach to start with, winning Manager Of The Month two times in a row, implies he's doing an extreme terrific job. Postecoglou presence have pushed Tottenham Hotspur into an elevated new stage, everything working perfectly smooth Spurs this season. We should examined how consistent they would be able to comprehend their challenges this season, 100% focused on good results, nothing changed.
Tottenham's performance has been very good so far but for championship issues, especially for the EPL, it is not as simple as it looks because even though their performance was very good at the beginning of this season, it is not a guarantee that they will continue to be consistent in the future. The simplest exampl is last season which even if we compare Arsenal's performance last season was superior to Tottenham's at this time but in the end they were also unable to withstand the waves that always occur every week which resulted in them faltering and having to be in second place at the end of the season. This can also still happen for Tottenham even though they are playing well in these 8 matches but that does not mean their consistency can be maintained easily because it could be a shock that always comes from Manchester City or several other big clubs at this time disrupting their stability.
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October 13, 2023, 10:23:03 PM |
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Liverpool have been losing points for the recent two game weeks. It is going to be really important for them to beat Everton in Anfield to take a breath next time. This national break should be good for Liverpool to analyze what they did wrong in those last two league games. They can focus on improving the weak sides.
Both of these games were tough ones though. But Liverpool started this season strongly so they are expected to give their maximum in every game for good results. Everton are still in desperate condition so Liverpool should win this.
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I think they need to sack him,he was given too much time as a coach and didnt do anything and just shows bad rep for the club with all of his decision. After Ronaldo it goes downwards and that is a serious problem for the club. Players dont like him and that can only cause problems,he cannot replace all of the players.
Don't forget his achievements last season he managed to bring Manchester to finish in the 3rd place and that's without Ronaldo. Indeed, this season Manchester United's performance has not improved, I think Ten Hag should be given a chance until this season is over and see how Manchester ends the season. Jadon Sancho does have problems with Ten Hag but that doesn't describe all players and Ten Hag has reasons why he should do it, Ten Hag's current focus is on getting out of pressure and preparing other alternatives to overcome injuries and internal problems. Erik Ten Hag even if he fails to qualify Manchester United for the Champions League next season would still not be sacked no matter how they do it. The club has said they will support his decisions to get a new defending defender to support the defense since Lisandro Martinez has been brutally Injured and that energy and aggression he brings into the squad is no more. Ever since Lisandro Martinez got Injured during the game against Sevilla, Manchester United defense has never been the same. Not even Lindelof, Harry Maguire or Jonny Evans comes close to Lisandro.
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