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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 87 (46%)
Liverpool - 31 (16.4%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.6%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.7%)
Manchester United - 13 (6.9%)
Totenham - 7 (3.7%)
Newcastle - 2 (1.1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
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Author Topic: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024  (Read 647853 times)
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May 05, 2024, 08:38:11 PM

I personally still consider Haaland to be a great player and also very skilled at scoring goals, even though this season there has been a decline due to injury, but Haaland has still managed to become the Premier League's top scorer. Also, regarding the results obtained in the Champions League, even though Manchester City have been knocked out, but in reality Haaland has 6 goals in the Champions League and is only 2 goals different from Kane and Mbappe there. At least, these results can prove that Haaland is still very productive and there is no need to doubt about his goal-making skills.

Top Lad. He needed that break after the disappointing games he had against Real Madrid this season as he has failed to score against them in the Champions League Competition. I had it in my mind that he wasn't Injured and needed some time off to spark up something good and some confidence..

What do you mean by productive? All I think he does is close drop deep when games are difficult and also score goals, I don't think he had a good work rate with Manchester City anyways.
They lacked creativity in the Manchester City team and it affected his goals. That said, asides Darwin Nunez, he was amongst the majority that missed so much chances in this game.

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It is 4-0, before Tottenham woke up from their slumber, and they played better because they started pressuring Liverpool which led to them scoring two goals, and almost scored the third goal. I don't know that Tottenham didn't start the match in such high spirit as the did on theast 25 minutes of the match.

That was a huge goal conceded by Tottenham, I wasn't expecting that coming. I thought they were fighting for their chances to participate in the next Europa competition, they should have started the pressure in the first half of the game because they are capable of winning the game. This is the same team that we think they could stop Manchester City in their next game, if Tottenham lose any of their games I believe they will lose their chances of qualifying for the next Europa competitions.

Lol if there is any amount that would be paid, i would say Tottenham should be paid to defeat Manchester City when they get to encounter them at their home. May would say it is difficult but i think it is possible for Tottenham to win. The Arsenal team has put in so much effort win the league and they deserve it. Currently they are one of the best team in the world. The boys have played well like a true champion the only thing that would give them that satisfaction is to win the league. At least Manchester City should drop point and give this league to Arsenal it is not too much to ask. They have won twice but it's been over 11 to 12 years since Arsenal last won the premier league title.

Many people did not want Manchester City to win the Premier League title this season, Manchester City fans are not going to leave us in peace if they win the league this season. I'm not an Arsenal fan, but I want them to win the league this season because it has been so long since they won the league last. How possible is it that Tottenham is strong enough to defeat Manchester City, Tottenham has lost their form at the moment. They just got defeated by Liverpool today  4-2, and Liverpool is not stronger than Manchester City. I hope Tottenham should perform well to beat Manchester City so that Arsenal will have a chance to be comfortable at the top of the league.

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May 05, 2024, 08:54:25 PM


Tottenham has now lost to Liverpool and they will still lose at the hand of Manchester City when they meet next. It is a difficult period for Tottenham who are on losing streak and it's more likely to continue. With this loss Aston Villa has gained more advantage for the champions league spot. Tottenham couldn't Remove them from the top 4. Although I fancy Aston Villa to qualify for the Champions league over Tottenham. Aston Villa has performed very well and they truly deserve the spot. Tottenham should settle for the Europa league spot.
Tottenham really shocked the world this season, they started well while people were saying they will be the one to determine who will win the trophy among this three competitors, like of Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City and now their performance has totally declined, take a look at Tottenham last four matches which
Tottenham 0-4 vs Newcastle
Tottenham 2-3 vs Arsenal
Tottenham 0-2 vs Chelsea
Tottenham 2-4 vs Liverpool
And all the matches are played at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium conceded 13 goals and scored only 4 goals. And Manchester City are coming too.

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May 05, 2024, 09:02:56 PM

Is that hope still there for Liverpool? especially considering that they have just recovered from bad results and managed to achieve a fairly landslide victory over Spurs. I think that is still quite available as long as the opportunities are still big enough but otherwise they should not expect more than what they have wasted in the last few matches.

Which hope.are you talking about for Liverpool? Do you know they have two games left to be played for the rest of the season and if they win the rest, it will make them a step ahead of Arsenal but Arsenal still has two games left, even if Arsenal were to draw there rest games or win just one, Liverpool wouldn't go anywhere not to talk of Manchester City that are already 2 point ahead of Arsenal but because of their pending games, they are still behind, as soon as the games are played, everything will align to normal.


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Now everything is still quite possible with Arsenal and Liverpool having 2 games left, but for Manchester City they still have an advantage with 3 games remaining. Everything can still change and what Liverpool needs to do is close the remaining games of the season with a win. It doesn't matter what happens next and they have to keep trying even though it will be painful.

This analysis is a baby analysis, Liverpool won Tottenham because spurs has lost their last 3 games so I will say they got lucky and because it was home game. Liverpool will not go anywhere if Arsenal should win atleast a game from here and as for Manchester, if they win their all matches, they will be 5 points ahead provided Liverpool win their last 2 games and all this analysis aren't possible for Liverpool.

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Tottenham has now lost to Liverpool and they will still lose at the hand of Manchester City when they meet next. It is a difficult period for Tottenham who are on losing streak and it's more likely to continue.
I do feel bad when a club performs well at the beginning of the season and ends up performing poorly towards the end of the season. I don't just know why Tottenham's performance got worse all of a sudden, Tottenham haven't been able to win any of their matches in the last four matches played, I don't just know why Tottenham are always conceding so many goals in their matches recently, I don't  know why Tottenham's performance gets worse when they have just a few matches to play. Tottenham will soon be playing against Manchester City, and with their current poor performance, I am sure they are going to lose the match. If Tottenham is not careful, they won’t be able to end the season in the top five this season.

It's really bad for Tottenham to end this season like this remembering they were leading the league at one point. They had a very good start of the season with a good football to watch while being doubted by many people after the departure of Harry Kane. Ange Postecoglou seemed to upgrade the club to a better level with his progressiveness with his idea of team management.

Tottenham made a fell off since having injuries and suspension on their important players in the middle of the season that made them lost their lead on the table. Since then, they failed to climb back due to the resilience of the three big teams. They even failed to maintain their performances from January, and are even unable to compete with Aston Villa. Now their chance to finish at fifth position to play in Europa League is not safe due to experiencing a losing streak. Having consecutive games to face Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and Manchester City sounds like a bad luck of fixture when they need maintain their position at fifth.  

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May 05, 2024, 09:12:10 PM

Chelsea has improved a bit it seems that the extraordinary victory against West Ham United was not expected by many people, 5-0 for the victory made it unbearable and can immediately be in 7th place in the standings, I think to aim for the league qualifying position eroupa will be very difficult for Chelsea because there are still many tough opponents and the rivals are also big teams, Tottenham, Newcastle and Man United, they are also trying in the pursuit of that place, for the week Man United has not competed against Crystal palace which might get 3 additional points in this match and get back on track, or can even be above Newcastle if they get a victory with 3 full points.
The end of the season at least their development for the attacking line is getting better where Chelsea players can not only make a breakthrough with their attacks and possession but for now they have a reference to score goals and I think it's very good so that Chelsea don't just rely on Palmer alone in scoring goals.
Chelsea's last 2 matches are quite consistent and they can even get a cleansheet which is a very rare thing for Chelsea to do in the last 2 seasons.

This is also their first big win by scoring 5 goals this season because indeed to score more than 3 goals is a rare thing for Chelsea to do so it is very appropriate to make their mentality increase because it looks like Poche wants to try to keep his coaching seat which is indeed in terms of current rumors Todd is still not satisfied and trying to replace Poche next season so by bringing Chelsea better than the previous season I think it is a very good step taken by Poche.


Yes, Chelsea have climbed to 7th place already, in fact it is already an indicator for them that they can still do something. I thought that they would not be able to finish this season even in the top ten and would remain in 11-12th place, but no, they made it. In theory, they can even climb to 6th place, I think that would be a very good result for them, plus the motivation to prepare for next season much better to compete for the top 4 at all.

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Tottenham has now lost to Liverpool and they will still lose at the hand of Manchester City when they meet next. It is a difficult period for Tottenham who are on losing streak and it's more likely to continue. With this loss Aston Villa has gained more advantage for the champions league spot. Tottenham couldn't Remove them from the top 4. Although I fancy Aston Villa to qualify for the Champions league over Tottenham. Aston Villa has performed very well and they truly deserve the spot. Tottenham should settle for the Europa league spot.
No matter how good a team is, if it gets tough opponents in 4 consecutive matches, it will definitely lose points in 1 to 2 matches. Tottenham is of course different, they had 4 painful defeats and it was actually very bad for them. Tottenham were not predicted to lose 4 consecutive matches, at least some of us thought they would win or draw 1 to 2 matches, but in fact that was wrong.

Losing 12 points in 4 consecutive matches made Tottenham close to Newcastle. A gap of 4 points does not make Tottenham safe from Newcastle, then Manchester United also has the opportunity to be behind Tottenham with a gap of 3 points if they win against Newcastle in the postponed match. Tottenham also have the potential to lose points if Manchester City wins against them, so losing a position in the top 5 is still very possible for Tottenham at the end of this season.

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May 05, 2024, 09:26:45 PM

Tottenham has now lost to Liverpool and they will still lose at the hand of Manchester City when they meet next. It is a difficult period for Tottenham who are on losing streak and it's more likely to continue. With this loss Aston Villa has gained more advantage for the champions league spot. Tottenham couldn't Remove them from the top 4. Although I fancy Aston Villa to qualify for the Champions league over Tottenham. Aston Villa has performed very well and they truly deserve the spot. Tottenham should settle for the Europa league spot.
The way Liverpool performed very admirably in today's match against Tettenhma it shows that they have recovered their performance, and if they can keep up with how they showed up in today and continue to hold their consistency, they might occupy the top position. Tottenham are always not having a good time in every one of their matches, they're now a weak team that every club finds very easy to defeat, and even in their next match against Manchester City, I didn't have even a single hope for them with how they turn up their performance these days. Because Manchester City is not a weak team that we can predict a draw against, Tottenham can find the match difficult to win accept if Manchester city relax.

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Tottenham suffered four consecutive defeats because they were really tired of facing the four big Premier League teams. Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are classified as good teams and of course because they have good quality players too. Tottenham failed in these four matches and they really have to accept this bitter reality even though all their supporters feel very disappointed about it.

It is actually sad to see that Liverpool has already been out of the competition for the English Premier League title. They were showing a lot of promises. But all those promises ended up in smoke.

Yes, I understand that mathematically Liverpool does still have a chance to win the English Premier League title. But the point difference is just a little too big right now. And I wouldn’t say that it is a realistic idea to think Arsenal and Manchester City are going to lose all the matches that they have left and Liverpool is going to win all the matches that they have left. It was the final season of Klopp and it genuinely looks like they had a chance. But now I think they are going to finish probably on the third position in the English Premier League.
They shouldn't have given away the manu game when they could have scored 5 in the first half and Palace game at home. If they had won those 2 games, Liverpool would be champions. Klopp made them play great ball this season but Nunez and Quansah ruined the championship. For 75m they could have bought a much better player instead of Nunez. It's been an unprecedented lack of spirit in recent matches. A team that could score 4 against Tottenham with aplomb should not have gone through this. It's too late for everything now.
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May 05, 2024, 09:28:17 PM

CHELSEA FC is officially ahead of MANCHESTER UNITED in the table

I was surprised that Chelsea is currently ahead of Manchester United in the English premier League table this same season. This gets to show how bad Manchester United and Erik Ten Hang has been this season. It seems I have lost confidence in Manchester United coach, he makes alot of substitution errors and also he isn't good in managing players. When he started with Ronaldo, we didn't know he would extend to other players. He lost Ronaldo, Elanga, Sancho and Greenwood and these guys are doing great in their respective clubs.
I personally will not be happy if Chelsea finishes above Manchester United this season and Guardiola and his boys go home with the title for the 4th consecutive times.
Chelsea and Manchester United are not having a good season, the difference between them is that Chelsea picked form of recent and getting the results, while Manchester United on the other hand is still nowhere close to the club they have been in the past, Manchester United dropped many points lately and Chelsea are unbeaten in their last 4 games, Manchester United still have a game in hand to play, maybe that will be the difference between them, but I don't see Chelsea topping Manchester United this season.
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Yes, Chelsea have climbed to 7th place already, in fact it is already an indicator for them that they can still do something. I thought that they would not be able to finish this season even in the top ten and would remain in 11-12th place, but no, they made it. In theory, they can even climb to 6th place, I think that would be a very good result for them, plus the motivation to prepare for next season much better to compete for the top 4 at all.
This is the best achievement they have in the last 2 seasons because it is very difficult for them to be in the standings like this in 2 seasons, making them considered to have progressed even a little after the changes that have always been made in the last 2 seasons.

It's just that even though they are currently in 7th position, they are still not safe because their position can still be overtaken especially with the remaining matches they will face and the consistency that sometimes we cannot expect for Chelsea makes things a little more complicated.
Positive results in the last few matches must be used as a reference for Poche because for attack and possession of the ball actually from the start Chelsea have been very strong, it's just that when talking about finishing they are still weak and yesterday's match at least gives good hope that their finishing has also changed for the better.

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Chelsea and Manchester United are not having a good season, the difference between them is that Chelsea picked form of recent and getting the results, while Manchester United on the other hand is still nowhere close to the club they have been in the past, Manchester United dropped many points lately and Chelsea are unbeaten in their last 4 games, Manchester United still have a game in hand to play, maybe that will be the difference between them, but I don't see Chelsea topping Manchester United this season.
Chelsea is showing a different kind of improvement recently of which if they had gotten this e as earlier, they would have been able to get to the point where they will secure a spot at the champions league by next season but then at this point the point gap is just too much that they don't have enough matches to make up for it and probably get an opportunity to get to secure a spot at the  champions league next season.

Manchester united have actually been really terrible this season and their productivity is actually nothing to keep hopes around because they keep disappointing at almost ever game they played and their inconsistency has to be one of the worse I have seen in recent times this season as they have no pattern with their results and what to expect so you cannot used their results of past three or four games to determine if they have strength enough to win their next game as they may actually get to disappoint you even without much efforts of trying to win.

Manchester united has actually tried that even I'm the midst of all this set back they are able to still get ahead of Chelsea despite the recent excellent performance Chelsea has gotten in their last few game but then initially Chelsea had a really poor start this season and it has actually affected them a whole lot that now they cannot even try to be able to meeting up even with their good performance recently but most importantly unlike Manchester united they are showing Great improvement.

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May 05, 2024, 10:03:56 PM

Chelsea and Manchester United are not having a good season, the difference between them is that Chelsea picked form of recent and getting the results, while Manchester United on the other hand is still nowhere close to the club they have been in the past, Manchester United dropped many points lately and Chelsea are unbeaten in their last 4 games, Manchester United still have a game in hand to play, maybe that will be the difference between them, but I don't see Chelsea topping Manchester United this season.

I wouldn't give the praises to Chelsea yet not until they show us if this consistency will continue, for Manchester United they're just having internal problem that bave affected the whole squad, not even the coach can solve this problem.
Both teams (Chelsea and Man UTD) are still living in past glory and somehow they're having too much expectations despite their poor performance and I'll say Man UTD are not showing any sign of improvement to secure their spot to qualify for UEL next season because if you say champions league I don't see them getting close meanwhile UTD are going to host Palace tomorrow and from how I see it Manchester United don't have a team they can beat without pressure in the EPL this season, Crystal can even make things worst for them by winning or playing a draw, if that happens you might see the Blues topping UTD and I feel it will happen.

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May 05, 2024, 10:08:41 PM

Tottenham suffered four consecutive defeats because they were really tired of facing the four big Premier League teams. Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are classified as good teams and of course because they have good quality players too. Tottenham failed in these four matches and they really have to accept this bitter reality even though all their supporters feel very disappointed about it.
I never thought that a time will come when Tottenham will get this bad. losing four straight matches at a time they need all the wins they can get is actually a bad record. I will never see this as something positive for their head coach,  Ange Postecoglou who was held in high esteem before joining the team. I will not be surprised if calls for his dismissal start gaining momentum because the fans and management are keenly looking at the results and nothing more.

Tottenham can certainly score goals and they try to come back, but their defense is very fragile and tends to concede very easily to the opposing team. Tottenham conceded 13 goals in their last 4 matches, while they only scored 4 goals. That's clearly not comparable, but that's the fact. Tottenham are certainly in danger of failing to qualify for the Europa League if they suffer many more defeats in the remainder of the season, that is a worry that cannot be ignored if they do not improve.
Tottenham comeback attempts is always after they have conceded many goals which makes it possible to redeem. When they played Arsenal, it was the same thing that played out. Even against Chelsea the same scenario. Assuming their second half come back is usually maintained in the first half, they would have gotten a result different from the disgraceful defeats they have been receiving.

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May 05, 2024, 10:32:18 PM

Tottenham comeback attempts is always after they have conceded many goals which makes it possible to redeem. When they played Arsenal, it was the same thing that played out. Even against Chelsea the same scenario. Assuming their second half come back is usually maintained in the first half, they would have gotten a result different from the disgraceful defeats they have been receiving.
If Tottenham attempt to do a comeback against Manchester City,it will it work because it has failed even against teams that are weaker than Manchester City. If Tottenham coach intends to get a good result against Manchester City  , he needs to start Richarlison and James Madison from the beginning because with Richarlison. Son and Madison starting, Tottenham Hotspur will have a better chance to win against Manchester City. Tottenham have lost their last four games, they need a win to be sure of qualification for a European qualification.

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May 05, 2024, 10:44:17 PM

Tottenham comeback attempts is always after they have conceded many goals which makes it possible to redeem. When they played Arsenal, it was the same thing that played out. Even against Chelsea the same scenario. Assuming their second half come back is usually maintained in the first half, they would have gotten a result different from the disgraceful defeats they have been receiving.
If Tottenham attempt to do a comeback against Manchester City,it will it work because it has failed even against teams that are weaker than Manchester City. If Tottenham coach intends to get a good result against Manchester City  , he needs to start Richarlison and James Madison from the beginning because with Richarlison. Son and Madison starting, Tottenham Hotspur will have a better chance to win against Manchester City. Tottenham have lost their last four games, they need a win to be sure of qualification for a European qualification.
The only way Tottenham Hotspur can be able to beat Manchester City if you ask me is to make sure the first score one or two goals and then try defend their goals while hoping to break the City defense using counter. If Tottenham allow Manchester City to first score in the game, it'll be almost impossible for them to come back against the reigning champions. Manchester City's manager Pep Guardiola is one man that so much loves to win as many trophies as possible while breaking records. He equalled Sir Alex Ferguson's record of winning the English Premier League in three consecutive times last season but wants to set a new record by winning it the fourth consecutive time. The only team that can stop them at the moment is Tottenham Hotspur if you ask me but will Ange Postecoglou's men be decisive enough in that game to make City drop points

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I wouldn't give the praises to Chelsea yet not until they show us if this consistency will continue, for Manchester United they're just having internal problem that bave affected the whole squad, not even the coach can solve this problem.
Both teams (Chelsea and Man UTD) are still living in past glory and somehow they're having too much expectations despite their poor performance and I'll say Man UTD are not showing any sign of improvement to secure their spot to qualify for UEL next season because if you say champions league I don't see them getting close meanwhile UTD are going to host Palace tomorrow and from how I see it Manchester United don't have a team they can beat without pressure in the EPL this season, Crystal can even make things worst for them by winning or playing a draw, if that happens you might see the Blues topping UTD and I feel it will happen.
In fact, neither Chelsea nor United, we can trust completely this season, where they have never consistently won. In the final third Chelsea started to improve a little, but the opposite happened to United, and to be honest both teams seemed to have turned into average teams. Currently Chelsea and United have both collected 54 points, it's just that the Ten Hag fleet has not finished their match this week.

If United stumbles by Crystal Palace, then Chelsea will automatically stay in 7th place in the standings, and will compete to finish in the European zone in the remaining 3 matches in the future. The opportunity to finish in the Europa League zone is actually quite open, with Tottenham currently in a slump, this opportunity will certainly be utilized well by Newcastle, Chelsea and United who are below it.

The Blues managed to pick up a big win in their previous game, and it shows little hope that they can finish in a better place than United. Despite the fact that these two teams have nothing to be proud of, both receive more criticism than praise. More than their manager, in this case Ten Hag has been sprayed more by fans for The Red Devils poor performance this season.

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May 05, 2024, 11:11:30 PM

Tottenham suffered four consecutive defeats because they were really tired of facing the four big Premier League teams. Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are classified as good teams and of course because they have good quality players too. Tottenham failed in these four matches and they really have to accept this bitter reality even though all their supporters feel very disappointed about it.

Tottenham can certainly score goals and they try to come back, but their defense is very fragile and tends to concede very easily to the opposing team. Tottenham conceded 13 goals in their last 4 matches, while they only scored 4 goals. That's clearly not comparable, but that's the fact. Tottenham are certainly in danger of failing to qualify for the Europa League if they suffer many more defeats in the remainder of the season, that is a worry that cannot be ignored if they do not improve.
Why has Ange so failed to handle Tottenham over the last four games? It's something different where this losing streak is not profitable that there are points getting closer to the teams below who will soon secure Europa League tickets, if Tottenham continues to lose then there is no gap for Tottenham to maintain.

Last night's match Tottenham lost 4 goals first to Liverpool so it will be difficult to get up and it is also impossible to catch up with the goal this is indeed fragile in its defense so that in the last 4 matches so many goals have been conceded that you mentioned.

Finally Tottenham will definitely lose to Manchester City in the next match.

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                    Liverpool 2-0 Tottenham

Liverpool was able to take the lead in the early minutes of the game, and the goal was scored by Sallah on the 6th minutes after he got an assist from Gakpo. It seems Liverpool have become a bit serious in this match than their previous matches with the way their game composure is today. Robertson also registered his name on the score book on the 45th minutes before extra time with a rebound which was taken by Sallah, as the goalkeeper Guglielmo Vicario punch out Sallah's easy ball. Luckily enough for Robertson, he was at the right place at the right time.

Tottenham seems to have decline in form, because any club that they play with recently , always win them. They have poor game pattern and don't have the strength to hold on the ball for long. Maybe in the second half, the game will turn to their favor.

Liverpool started the match very effectively and dominated the game from start to finish. At the beginning of the match, Salah had many scoring chances. As a matter of fact, he scored the goal that opened the scoreboard. He is a critical player for Liverpool. Liverpool signed Darwin Nunez for 75 million euros but the burden is still on Salah's shoulders. I hope he stays at Liverpool for a few more seasons. Also, a special mention must go to Harvey Elliott. The young player had a great game today and scored a great goal. Liverpool signed Mac Allister for 44 million euros but Harvey Elliott shone on the pitch today. Liverpool has made expensive signings but has not gotten 100% out of them.

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Yes, Chelsea have climbed to 7th place already, in fact it is already an indicator for them that they can still do something. I thought that they would not be able to finish this season even in the top ten and would remain in 11-12th place, but no, they made it. In theory, they can even climb to 6th place, I think that would be a very good result for them, plus the motivation to prepare for next season much better to compete for the top 4 at all.
Honestly, although we are quite disappointed with Chelsea's performance on various occasions, their recent efforts are quite impressive. And it's true, they are back in 7th position for now, and there is still the possibility of taking over the top position too. Even though the series hasn't been that good over the past few matches, at least they haven't wasted the last two match opportunities yesterday. so that they are able to achieve absolute victory over their opponents.

In fact, the opponents of the club with this victory are also not trivial opponents, but are clubs that are worth considering. Yes, Tottenham (2 - 0) and also West Ham (5 - 0), these two clubs are certainly clubs that cannot be underestimated. However, Chelsea was able to conquer them very well. And this victory seemed able to evoke happiness and big laughter from the fans, especially when playing at home. Look at how they seem to miss the satisfaction of winning like that.



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