Premier League Prediction Thread 2024/2025

[Hyphen(-)]

Arsenal choked when it mattered for the second season in a row. Very few of their players have won a trophy, even at international level, Rice and Saka choked in the final against Spain.

I’m far from convinced they will win the PL title this season.

Exactly!
All Arsenal players are very hungry for title because last season was a lesson for the team in general because they misused some opportunities by defending on the Premier League title, they lose their way to win either FA cup or the Carabao Cup just because they focus on the team’s main target which was winning the EPL.

Nevertheless, the players and the manager were very keen towards winning a title for the team, they will never misuse any opportunity on any competition they will be playing next season and as such, they will do their best to perform very well next season in the EPL and I am also convinced that my team Arsenal will win the EPL title and some titles next season.

[Richbased]

Last season was quite an impressive season for Arsenal and Arteta because their were just one step away from becoming champions before inconsistency befell them at the end of the season, I think currently Arsenal are still in the process of becoming champions after previously they were only competing for a top four position in the league, but the arrival of Arteta who managed to change the philosophy and also improve the mentality of Arsenal players and made Arsenal in the last two seasons a contender Champions with manchester city, maybe some of us will still consider Arteta as a loser because he did not end the season with a trophy, but didn't Manchester City when Guardiola came also not immediately get the championship trophy in his first season coaching?
What happens to Guardiola certainly also happens to Arteta at the moment where he still needs time to make Arsenal better and can also get the Premier League trophy after more than 20 years of fasting for the title, Guardiola won the Premier League trophy in his second season but as we know if his job was easier at that time with the financial support owned by Manchester City, while Arsenal I don't think they have as good finances as Manchester City for support arteta job.

Arsenal choked when it mattered for the second season in a row. Very few of their players have won a trophy, even at international level, Rice and Saka choked in the final against Spain.

I’m far from convinced they will win the PL title this season.

I also have same feelings that Arsenal is unlikely to win the premier league any time soon because who would have imagined them losing two consecutive premier league titles to Manchester City even when they had the advantage to utilize and claim the title but what did they do, flopped and lost on two seasons. It's really very shameful because not that Arsenal doesn't make a good squad, they do but obviously they ain't yet prepared to lift the premier league and am even afraid of how their performance may turn out this season considering the fact that they made two clear attempts to win the league title but never did. Definitely, the players gonna look tired this season when they reflect on their past performances for two consecutive seasons but couldn't win the league trophy.

Just like you said, even the players are so backwards in international duty just imagine England losing the finals when two Arsenal players would have been recorded for winning the Tournament with England but they still lost, such a pity that Arsenal and their players are so unfortunate and some players may consider moving out of Arsenal for them to get their breakthrough, Granit Zhaka moved out of Arsenal and won the Bundesliga with Bayern Leverkusen so am wondering if a spell was casted on Arsenal not to win the title for two decades now.

[bitgolden]

Losing to a team that is not well known at all is of course very embarrassing for a big team like Manchester United at the moment, even though the match was only a pre-season match, but Manchester United should not have lost although fielding young players and most of the second tier players, previously Manchester is actually the favorite able to win over Rosenborg but in fact their lost from a team level is far below Manchester United So far, the pre-season match has been used as a match to test the strategy and mentality of young players, but the defeat against Rosenborg clearly shows that Ten Hag strategy is not very good, although the defeat against We can't use Rosenborg as a reference if Manchester United is still in a bad condition at the moment, but I think it's better for us to judge Manchester when they play an official match against Manchester City at the Community Shield later.

To be fair they were 4th in their group behind Copenhagen and Galatasaray last season at UCL, so that was embarrassing for them as well and wasn't even a friendly, we are talking about UCL, and they spent more on a summer than those teams worth, so it's really shameful that they couldn't build a better team. On the other hand, I agree that friendlies doesn't matter, we can't really see the situation changing anytime soon, and we will end up with something that will take a while.

In the end, we should see how things will move on, and I am sure that we are going to see how things could change as well, meaning that we are going to end up with a much better result one way or another. If we can make that work, then we are going to end up with United having a better season.

ETH is not the only issue, how that team was managed could be considered as their issue, but nowadays they are improving that, looking at latest transfers and rumours, I can see the improvement they are having. This should definitely be something that may take some time, but it will not be all that simple to achieve in a summer, it may take a few seasons but if they keep this up, they can be one of the best teams in the league.

[rahmad2nd]

Arsenal choked when it mattered for the second season in a row. Very few of their players have won a trophy, even at international level, Rice and Saka choked in the final against Spain.

I’m far from convinced they will win the PL title this season.

There are still many opportunities for Arteta to build a much better squad next season, especially since Arsenal has struggled as much as possible in the last two seasons in the Premier League. Even though Arsenal players Rice and Saka failed at national team level in the UERO Final, this was not their fault. As a team, England's defeat against Spain was caused by many factors, one of which was that Spain was slightly better in terms of play than The Three Lions.

At club level, Rice and Saka will return to defend Arsenal in order to achieve the team's ambition to win the League trophy. Currently, Arteta is trying to increase Arsenal's strength by bringing in several new arrivals. Even though the players they are targeting have problems, at least Arteta and Edu will look for the most ideal players for their team's squad to face the new competition. I hope Arsenal will continue to perform at their best when the Premier League is held again.

[Sexylizzy2813]

The new season is by the corner and we might see something different or similar to what happened when Manchester City won the league with Arsenal struggling to get the EPL title and it got me wondering if Arteta can be classified as a failure for losing the chances of becoming Champions with the Gunners two time in a row? We know the Gunners was this close to snatch the title against the Citizens last season. To me last season was the best Arteta and the Arsenal boys have gone to battle with the Citizens and Pep wasn't too calm last campaign because the pressure of losing the title to Arsenal was too much but we know how it ended with some silly mistakes Arsenal made when they started losing games they were suppose to win that caused them the chances of winning the league.
So I'll ask because is still getting me worried about the Arsenal manager (Arteta), some fans will say he tried but trying isn't a trophy to me, is Arteta a failure to the Arsenal fans or he should be celebrated for trying to win the league title two times in a row?

Last season was quite an impressive season for Arsenal and Arteta because their were just one step away from becoming champions before inconsistency befell them at the end of the season, I think currently Arsenal are still in the process of becoming champions after previously they were only competing for a top four position in the league, but the arrival of Arteta who managed to change the philosophy and also improve the mentality of Arsenal players and made Arsenal in the last two seasons a contender Champions with manchester city, maybe some of us will still consider Arteta as a loser because he did not end the season with a trophy, but didn't Manchester City when Guardiola came also not immediately get the championship trophy in his first season coaching?
What happens to Guardiola certainly also happens to Arteta at the moment where he still needs time to make Arsenal better and can also get the Premier League trophy after more than 20 years of fasting for the title, Guardiola won the Premier League trophy in his second season but as we know if his job was easier at that time with the financial support owned by Manchester City, while Arsenal I don't think they have as good finances as Manchester City for support arteta job.

My problem is how long will this Arsenal side be showing too much energy to get the title and when it matters the most you see them dropping form like that's how they are meant to be? Winning mentality is the key to be at the top and I think Arteta and his men have all that but they are not making use of that high spirit of going into those crucial game and coming out with the best results instead they settle for a draw which to me shows they are not ready to be one of the best or even Champions.
I believe Arteta has the support but it can't be compared to the Arab money the Citizens have, for me I don't think Arteta need to wait for 2-3 years before winning the title, he can do it this coming season that's if he changes the poor thinking of some of the players, they have all the necessary tools to beat any team that's going for the title not only Manchester City but they should set the other teams as a strong target to get to their goal, if they don't and they only see Man City as the only threat then they have already planned to fail.

[Weawant]

That why is good to be good if assume Manchester United did well last season many will have considered them the way you thought, even I personally didn't condemn them because I have the same thoughts as yours, likewise I consider the opponent to be playing well better then them because it a privilege to them for playing with a huge team like Manchester United and also most of the players there really want to take advantage of that to make themselves popular for other big teams to see how they are performing to get lift up. It even too early to judge, let see how the senior men will play when the league starts.

Your closing statement gat me, saying it's too early to judge is very true but then we can get hints to what we should be expecting from that which we have seen now. One thing I'm really happy about is that even if Manchester United have been of a bad form, they are still recognized as a big team, they still have some of their glory intact. Small team usually do that and it's not new because ordinarily people may not pick interest in watching them except when they play against big teams like this, it's an opportunity because it's believed if you can perform so well against a big team then you have gat great potentially to been a good and notch player.

[Altryist]

Exactly!
All Arsenal players are very hungry for title because last season was a lesson for the team in general because they misused some opportunities by defending on the Premier League title, they lose their way to win either FA cup or the Carabao Cup just because they focus on the team’s main target which was winning the EPL.

Nevertheless, the players and the manager were very keen towards winning a title for the team, they will never misuse any opportunity on any competition they will be playing next season and as such, they will do their best to perform very well next season in the EPL and I am also convinced that my team Arsenal will win the EPL title and some titles next season.

Yes, they really want to become champions, this desire was especially visible this season, when they hoped for this until the very last round. Arteta is working very hard on the progress of the team, but as long as Guardiola stays at City it will be very difficult to resist such a team. But if City has a worthy competitor this season, it is Arsenal, perhaps I still expect something from Aston Villa, Emery is also capable of motivating teams.

[Roseline492]

Today there will be a pre-season match for Manchester United who will face a team from Norway, namely Rosenberg. Surely this will be a test match for Erik Ten Hag's strategy before the EPL starts again in August. Maybe Erik ten Hag will try some new things like rotating players or something else and also yesterday we saw that Sancho, who returned to training, might also be used.

Is so sad that the season has not really started and Manchester United has already started showing a lot of weakness on there performance because I was thinking that since they have been disappointing there fans they would at least show them something that would make them believe they are coming back next season with a lot of positive changes but they always keep failing, though if there key players was not on that match I would have actually believe that is the reason but this time they were all complete on the match but still they could not win Rosenborg,

I heard people say that it was just an ordinary pre season match, that it doesn't matter if Manchester United win or lose. I understood that it was a pre-season match and Manchester United did not play with their first 11. However it is a match against Manchester United and during preparation there also need to be capacity, so it was expected from Manchester United to win or at worse scenario they should draw the match.

You are right that was the excuse of most people that because it was a pre season match that was why Manchester United did not put so much efforts to win, I totally disagree with that because is this way Manchester United was buying in this finished premier League season, however some say that the reason why they did not win was because they did not use all there players, actually even if they did not use the complete players but the current players they used on that match was supposed to win Rosenborg, though I'm not against Manchester United because on the contrary they are one of my best club but there inconsistency this time is too much.

I agree it was not an important match for Manchester United. It was a friendly match. So Manchester United did not take this match seriously. But my point is, if Manchester United don't take this match seriously, will they lose against a team like Rosenborg? We don't even know the Rosenborg group. Manchester United lost against such a team. This is really sad and shameful.

Even if the match was a draw, I would have said that since the match is not important, Manchester United players did not give much effort to win this match. But Manchester United lost this match. However, after having talented players like Rashford, Mount and Casemiro in United's squad, Manchester United's performance was very poor. I highly doubt that Ten Hag will be able to stabilize this team next season.

I no is not an important match but it shouldn't mean that they will not take it serious, actually one of the things about pre season matches is that all the club normally use it to measure there strength against there upcoming leagues, however if you watch that match from the beginning to the end of the match you will understand that Manchester United did not play as if the wining was not important for them so on the contrary they were struggling to beat Rosenborg but there performance was not consistent enoug, so like you said even if Manchester United did not take the match serious they were not supposed to lose to Rosenborg.

[Hyphen(-)]

Yes, they really want to become champions, this desire was especially visible this season, when they hoped for this until the very last round. Arteta is working very hard on the progress of the team, but as long as Guardiola stays at City it will be very difficult to resist such a team. But if City has a worthy competitor this season, it is Arsenal, perhaps I still expect something from Aston Villa, Emery is also capable of motivating teams.

Arteta is about to close the gap between him and Pep Guardiola, he has started to defeat Manchester City last season and was able to maintain a draw when playing away from home against City, it was a great performance from Arsenal last season because they were able to collect points from all the top Premier League teams last season which is why many people including me are seeing Arsenal as a potential Premier League title winner next season if they can be able to keep their performance and maintain same momentum and if they sign a reliable striker.

[Josefjix]

Yes, they really want to become champions, this desire was especially visible this season, when they hoped for this until the very last round. Arteta is working very hard on the progress of the team, but as long as Guardiola stays at City it will be very difficult to resist such a team. But if City has a worthy competitor this season, it is Arsenal, perhaps I still expect something from Aston Villa, Emery is also capable of motivating teams.

We have different coaches in the EPL and most of them are consistent average despite the fact they've managed elite clubs. Only Pep Guardiola have proved beyond all doubt to be the best coach in the English Premier League over the past years, he build Manchester City to become a consistent winning team, having in vision to continue thrashing opponents with ease efforts. Becoming a champion comes with entirely different approach and vision. Mikel Arteta is mediocre coach and having a long path to discover for his club.

[Marykeller]

Manchester United is doing a good thing because it has been seen since last season that the defense is their team's weakness and now they are trying to cover this weakness.
Manchester United is a team that continues to improve for the next season, that is a positive thing and the transfer market is still long, making it more likely that Manchester United will improve their team, if they continue to make changes to their squad, I am quite optimistic that Manchester United could be better next season.

Everyone will also see how Manchester United will perform at the start of next season until the end of next season. Because from what I see, it is not only the defense line that Manchester United needs to improve, but the midfield and attack line also need attention from Manchester United. Because a strong team must be able to excel in all areas in order to win the Premier League and the European League, because Manchester United will also play in the UEL next season.

When Manchester United are ready to have a total reshuffling of their players, that is when we will be looking at them lifting the Premier League trophy. Any other thing apart from that, the PL trophy will be far from them. The only thing they will look at is between the 5-7 position of the Premier League table. Well, let's see how the new signings they have made so far, will take them, whether they will be formidable or remain the way they are without much improvement in the team. Time will tell to that by next season, Ten Hag will have to prove himself whether he is worth keeping as Manchester United's coach or not.

[Amphenomenon]

Pre-season games usually don't have any motivation for the top clubs to win the game. Yes, I agree that in this match both teams gave one hundred percent of their abilities. But this is not the first time a top team from the English league has lost to a mediocre team. I think Manchester United really made this a game to test a lot of different tactics. Rosenborg scored a goal late in the game so I think both teams played very well. But a defeat is still a defeat and Ten Hag also said that this was not the performance United should have.

As far as I Know, most big teams don't finding motivation in such preseason game's as this could bring injuries to star player's which could cost them big but it's also a great opportunity to try out new signins and new tactics for  managers if they choose to make good from this!

As of the loss, I had to look at which senior players featured for Manchester United and I can confidently  report that very few of Uniteds big names featured here and we shouldn't put much pressure on them as the result is on the youngsters who failed to deliver a win for lack of team chemistry, but come August ,Utd will not have excuses for failing to deliver wins as the league will be in full swing!!

That why is good to be good if assume Manchester United did well last season many will have considered them the way you thought, even I personally didn't condemn them because I have the same thoughts as yours, likewise I consider the opponent to be playing well better then them because it a privilege to them for playing with a huge team like Manchester United and also most of the players there really want to take advantage of that to make themselves popular for other big teams to see how they are performing to get lift up. It even too early to judge, let see how the senior men will play when the league starts.

I don`t think the loss matters really too much from the fact that Poch really had a good stat in Pre-season but failed to replicate such form in the EPL even the stars players like Jackson and Liverpool Darwin Nunez failed to do well like how they perform during Pre-season, I am not judging any team or players by it this season, let see how well Man United can go when the season officially get started especially with Jim giving Ten Hag huge support in getting the players he wants.

[baeva]

Rosenborg Football team won the match against Man United football team.  Match was fighting and both teams gave their hundred percent to win the match. N. E. J. Holm  was a top performer of the match because he did single goal of the game and no one could goal after the first goal.  Match was performed in Lerkendal Stadion stadium and that stadium was lucky for Rosenborg team.  Many Man United fans expected that they will win this match but that was only expectation and that was not reality. The stat of Rosenborg team was more stronger than Manchester United team and Rosenborg team played 22 shots in the match from which  7 were on target and that possession percentage of Rosenborg was also high and that was 55 percent. The were best in all things and that's why they are winners of the match and  Man United are loser of this match.

Pre-season games usually don't have any motivation for the top clubs to win the game. Yes, I agree that in this match both teams gave one hundred percent of their abilities. But this is not the first time a top team from the English league has lost to a mediocre team. I think Manchester United really made this a game to test a lot of different tactics. Rosenborg scored a goal late in the game so I think both teams played very well. But a defeat is still a defeat and Ten Hag also said that this was not the performance United should have.

From Ten Hag’s statement at the end of the match, it clearly shows that they’re are in dire need of reforms in the club before the new season begins. This match has made him seen a lot of mistakes that needs to be corrected in the team before the new season will start. A mediocre team winning them should not be an excuse whatsoever not to do their best in the game and assume it’s a normal thing in football. A final minutes goal is still a goal and the victory was given to them in the end. They could have as well avoided that goal and finish the game in a draw. I have a feeling that Ten Hag will do well next season, this is still the testing stage of different players and tactics he wished to use for the next season.

You make it sound like he just came in to run the team. No, he continues to lead the team and he knows these mistakes ahead of time, but he can't do anything about them. Even in a match against such a mediocre team compared to MU. We'll see what happens over the course of the season, but I don't think it's going to end well

I was not happy that a mediocre club win Manchester united and people were saying that it does not matter but hear Ten Hag saying there is a lot of mistakes in that match which needs to be fix before the season starts and if he does not fix it, it means that United might experience what they passed through last season.

Ten Hag should not bring disappointment to him lsekf because the management of United put their trust and believes he will do better than last season and that was why he was allowed to continue as the manager of the club.

He'll fix the current bugs and new ones will pop up, and so on ad infinitum. The point is that this is normal for all teams. Any team makes mistakes during the match and when they become a critical number for the current situation, the coaches change tactics, that is, they were prepared for this in advance, but Ten Hag is not prepared for this, he thinks through the tactics before the match for the entire match, not assuming that something will have to change

[Mr.suevie]

Pre-season games usually don't have any motivation for the top clubs to win the game. Yes, I agree that in this match both teams gave one hundred percent of their abilities. But this is not the first time a top team from the English league has lost to a mediocre team. I think Manchester United really made this a game to test a lot of different tactics. Rosenborg scored a goal late in the game so I think both teams played very well. But a defeat is still a defeat and Ten Hag also said that this was not the performance United should have.

As far as I Know, most big teams don't finding motivation in such preseason game's as this could bring injuries to star player's which could cost them big but it's also a great opportunity to try out new signins and new tactics for  managers if they choose to make good from this!

As of the loss, I had to look at which senior players featured for Manchester United and I can confidently  report that very few of Uniteds big names featured here and we shouldn't put much pressure on them as the result is on the youngsters who failed to deliver a win for lack of team chemistry, but come August ,Utd will not have excuses for failing to deliver wins as the league will be in full swing!!

That why is good to be good if assume Manchester United did well last season many will have considered them the way you thought, even I personally didn't condemn them because I have the same thoughts as yours, likewise I consider the opponent to be playing well better then them because it a privilege to them for playing with a huge team like Manchester United and also most of the players there really want to take advantage of that to make themselves popular for other big teams to see how they are performing to get lift up. It even too early to judge, let see how the senior men will play when the league starts.

I don't know why people are all hyped up abit this particular one loss that Manchester united suffered, I mean if you checked the line up then you would discover that the game was actually played by young players and even if it was the top boys it really doesn't count as it's just a friendly game and nothing more. Sometimes the form people end up with in their preseason friendly is actually not the same case when they play during the real season tournament.

[Mr.right85]

Arsenal haven’t been active so far since the start of the transfer market and I’m sure it must have raised some eyebrows. I think I’ve seen this pattern over the years. I’m more calm than anything else regarding Arsenal’s transfers tbh. With the way they competed in the 2nd half of last season, the reintegration of Gabriel Jesus and Timber is cause for hope. Even two signings of the right quality in the right positions will take them to the next level. They’ll be good. They just need one or two uplifting signings. Hopefully, they'll be the right ones.
I’m sure that a lot of activities will take place in the latter part of the window, it's who blinks first for now.

[Huppercase]

Exactly!
All Arsenal players are very hungry for title because last season was a lesson for the team in general because they misused some opportunities by defending on the Premier League title, they lose their way to win either FA cup or the Carabao Cup just because they focus on the team’s main target which was winning the EPL.

Nevertheless, the players and the manager were very keen towards winning a title for the team, they will never misuse any opportunity on any competition they will be playing next season and as such, they will do their best to perform very well next season in the EPL and I am also convinced that my team Arsenal will win the EPL title and some titles next season.

I was bit disappointed with how Arsenal.lag behind when they had the opportunity to turn things upside, they were now looking for a miracle for Manchester City to lose after seeing their own failure With Aston Villa, my painful experience last season is how Arsenal had the means to win the Premier League and yet they couldn't. If other leagues are distraction like FA Champions League are excuse, what about teams that won the three altogether.

I saw on the news that the manager is done for the transfer of yhe season and I have not seen what exactly Arsenal has bought, there were promised of bringing in some midfielders and a new striker to complement the already established players or perhaps it might be false since it didn't came out from Arsenal camp but I really hope they sign new players to improve the group.

[Weawant]

I don`t think the loss matters really too much from the fact that Poch really had a good stat in Pre-season but failed to replicate such form in the EPL even the stars players like Jackson and Liverpool Darwin Nunez failed to do well like how they perform during Pre-season, I am not judging any team or players by it this season, let see how well Man United can go when the season officially get started especially with Jim giving Ten Hag huge support in getting the players he wants.

Preseason isn't a very good time to make judgments for players or their teams because most likely you would make wrong judgements in that they may still turn out that your assumptions were wrong and not true as taught because some players can be really conservative in their preseason games only to turn out really tough in the main league games when the season eventually kicks off fully. Winning games at this point may not really matter to any team neither will loosing mean so much either because all are in preparations for the official kick off for the premier league.

[Raflesia]

Arsenal haven’t been active so far since the start of the transfer market and I’m sure it must have raised some eyebrows. I think I’ve seen this pattern over the years. I’m more calm than anything else regarding Arsenal’s transfers tbh. With the way they competed in the 2nd half of last season, the reintegration of Gabriel Jesus and Timber is cause for hope. Even two signings of the right quality in the right positions will take them to the next level. They’ll be good. They just need one or two uplifting signings. Hopefully, they'll be the right ones.
I’m sure that a lot of activities will take place in the latter part of the window, it's who blinks first for now.

With conditions where they have always been loyal in shopping for players in the previous season, Arsenal for this season still look quite passive. It's just that I don't think it will last long because however there are still several players rumored with Arsenal and one of them could still be a reality for them to bring in this season.

But if they try to be passive it looks like Arteta is still quite satisfied with the performance of his foster children, which in these 2 seasons is still very good at making contributions.
But indeed for now Arsenal's problem still seems to lie in the finisher. They are still very good in the quality of the attacks but their finishing is still poor because some of their strikers sometimes have trouble scoring goals. There are a lot of strikers owned by Arsenal such as Kai or Jesus but it still seems to be lacking.

[karabiber]

Arsenal haven’t been active so far since the start of the transfer market and I’m sure it must have raised some eyebrows. I think I’ve seen this pattern over the years. I’m more calm than anything else regarding Arsenal’s transfers tbh. With the way they competed in the 2nd half of last season, the reintegration of Gabriel Jesus and Timber is cause for hope. Even two signings of the right quality in the right positions will take them to the next level. They’ll be good. They just need one or two uplifting signings. Hopefully, they'll be the right ones.
I’m sure that a lot of activities will take place in the latter part of the window, it's who blinks first for now.

Arsenal are a reluctant team for the EPL championship. Even though they have been top in recent years, it doesn't mean they want the title. Every year we see mistakes in the team. Arsenal, especially in transfer windows, sign players who don't contribute to the team's needs. Even though Arsenal are in a good financial situation, they don't fill their squad with star players and go for players with potential. This makes them a team with average players. Unless Arsenal take radical decisions, they will continue to be an average team in the EPL.

[ndutndut]

No one thinks that pre-season matches are taken seriously, they do pre-season matches just to see how much strength they have. It is not uncommon for us to see them fielding all the players in one match, from there we can see that their goal is to see the ability of an individual player and carry out many strategies to be applied later in the real match.
There are many cases where a team is very good in pre-season, but they are bad in the actual match. It is not uncommon for us to see teams that play badly in pre-season matches, but in actual matches they can play very well. That means they are not serious in pre-season.
Regarding betting, I also really avoid betting in pre-season, because the risk is very big because they don't play to the best of their abilities. In the past I have experienced many losses when betting on pre-season matches.

Yes agree. It is very risky to place bets on pre-season matches because each team will of course play reserve players, and as you said pre-season is not that important even though the purpose of pre-season matches is to test the strength of young teams. but often pre-season matches are full of surprises, small teams are able to beat big teams. The reason is, apart from the coach wanting to test the young players, the players also play very carefully because they don't want to get injured in pre-season.

It often happens that teams perform poorly in pre-season, but are good when entering the new season, and vice versa. So Man United's defeat during pre-season is not a sign that they will start the season badly. I still believe Erik Tan Hag can compete in the EPL league next season, even though he doesn't get the EPL trophy, but I think they will be in the top four because Erik Ten Hag will definitely learn from previous seasons.