[UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Merge Mine w/BTC! - Update NOW to qt 0.11.5

[learminer]

WTF???

unobtaniumd
Unobtanium server starting
You need to rebuild the database using -reindex to enable auxpow support.

AUXPOW? Who want to kill coin and adding merged-mining code???

Would you care to elaborate your opinion? We've been having discussions about merged mining for months. The community and devs discussed this at length and came to a consensus that we should go ahead with MM. Why do you think this will hurt the coin?

[PatMan]

WTF???

unobtaniumd
Unobtanium server starting
You need to rebuild the database using -reindex to enable auxpow support.

AUXPOW? Who want to kill coin and adding merged-mining code???

  Keep up rav3n man......

I'm all for it actually - is it now enabled then?

Edit: Seems not - I get this error when compiling:

Code:

In file included from qt/test/../paymentserver.h:35:0,
                 from qt/test/paymentservertests.h:8,
                 from qt/test/test_main.cpp:12:
qt/test/../paymentrequestplus.h:8:31: fatal error: paymentrequest.pb.h: No such file or directory
 #include "paymentrequest.pb.h"
                               ^
compilation terminated.
make[2]: *** [qt/test/qt_test_test_unobtanium_qt-test_main.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/xubuntu/Unobtanium/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xubuntu/Unobtanium/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

Any ideas? 

[rav3n_pl]

It compiled for me after

Code:

./autogen.sh
./configure  --disable-tests
make clean
make

Looks like getauxblock is returning something:

Code:

unobtanium-cli getauxblock
{
    "target" : "0000000000000c97670000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000                                                    ",
    "hash" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000067970c000000000000",
    "chainid" : 117
}

I was mining UNo since week 1. Somehow missed info about decision, that it will be merged mined. For me coin is dead now.

[rav3n_pl]

WTF happend on git?
Coin is using wrong ports and it is reported in help comands.
My P2Pool cant connect now.
Great job!

Code:

-port=<port>           Listen for connections on <port> (default: 8333 or testnet: 18333)
-rpcport=<port>        Listen for JSON-RPC connections on <port> (default: 8332 or testnet: 18332)

[IMZ]

Hey, rav3n_pl!

The MM discourse has been underway for months. The decision hasn't/wouldn't be undertaken lightly. I am always eager to learn:

with Uno's success thus far, and the strength and dynamism of its community, is it really as simple as 'MM = Uno failure'?

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu), Australia

[rav3n_pl]

Every coin that go MM failed in short time.
All miners are gone from coins that go MM.
Coin is losing its uniqueness by MM.
I`m shutting down my UNO P2Pool node and removing code from my P2Pool fork.
When it is MM there is not point to mine it deliberately. Waste of power.

[PatMan]

I'm not aware of any coin that has failed due to going MM - the only coin I can think of is Fusioncoin, but that was always MM'd & the dev went awol with no community. This is not the case with UNO. No coin can be mined forever, that doesn't mean that it will fail as soon as all coins are mined, look at Ixcoin for example. MM increases the network & makes a coin more stable I think.

It would be a shame if you withdrew UNO from your p2pool code rav3n, you do a sterling job, but I'm sure someone else will implement it if you do  

[cryptapus]

WTF happend on git?
Coin is using wrong ports and it is reported in help comands.
My P2Pool cant connect now.
Great job!

Code:

-port=<port>           Listen for connections on <port> (default: 8333 or testnet: 18333)
-rpcport=<port>        Listen for JSON-RPC connections on <port> (default: 8332 or testnet: 18332)

It looks like the dev (I would assume Bryce Weiner) is updating the master branch. I would have hoped a devel branch would have been started to play in, or at least a 0.9.5 tag had been set until some testing was done....

If you want the 0.9.5 branch to use temporarily, I have it in my github:

https://github.com/cryptapus/Unobtanium

[sirsmokesalot]

I totally get what is being said about the coin losing identity when it becomes the byproduct of mining for btc, or what ever coin a coin chooses to merge with for that matter. It is hard to lose something you never had. If Uno was trying to replace, or run alongside of bitcoin, or any other run of the mill cryptos that exist out there, then the fears of people dropping off from the coin are founded. I don't think that is the path that is being taken though.

Plenty of other coins to use out there for transactions, try holding them for over a year and see where you wind up then ;P

Uno has always struggled with what it is. It is one of the handiest digital tools out there for storing some wealth. Nope, not going to become rich over night, this isn't some scam coin, buy into them if that is how you wanna roll. Not going to go broke over night either, well hopefully not but i suppose anything is in the realm of possibility. The better the distribution of the coin, the less likely the market is to tank.

I would place bets that most people are here to try to make money. They will most likely follow what ever is most profitable while trying to support what they believe in. It is only logical. Uno is awesome but we need to make sure the chain keeps running. If you are trying to mine your way to Uno riches; you missed that ship, it sailed a while ago. Such is life. That is the reality of things. The amount of hash on uno now is peanuts with all the sha equipment out there.. merging is the only solution. Merging may or may not hurt the coin, not merging is going to hurt the coin.

I really think it will help boost the security aspects of the coin. Harder to 50% it? The chain is what is important. Merging increases the spread of distribution and creates liquidity in the markets as people who don't want it will be more than willing to sell it to people who do.

To be fair BW was being a wiener about things and refusing to use these forums so a lot of that merged mining conversation took place over at cryptocointalk instead of on here, pretty sure anyway. There might have been copying and pasting from there to here, i wasn't keeping abreast because i really don't wanna go mm for egotistical and pride reasons (losing coin identity and such), but as far as logic and securing the chain and the future of the coin, yeah, it is a no brainer, needs to be done. 29 th/s really isn't much at all. The equipment has gotten a lot cheaper and more efficient and Uno hasn't seen a proportional jump in hashrate to reflect that. The coin is already dead if nothing is done. T-minus who the fuck knows countdown to merged launch!  

[FallingKnife]

@sirsmokesalot I think the record would show that most of the discussion about MM took place on BCT even before BW weighed in.

Given the falling reward and relatively low hash, this is a decision I fully support. I'm glad that our early miners have have had the opportunity to mine most of the Uno from a 1 Uno block reward down to .03125.  Long term, mm makes the most sense to me to secure the blockchain. There is no reason Uno shouldn't continue to thrive under MM.
Miners like Rav3n have been a huge part of our community. I hope they'll continue to hold their Uno investment, and invest in Uno in other profitable ways. Their contribution to Uno is and has been hugely appreciated. But it's not fair over the long term to ask them to step up their investment in mining hardware/electricity while the block reward is about halve to .015625, and then will halve again later this year.

[FallingKnife]

Bryce has a new commit to resolve the port issue.

f8e2039dc59b5e9b708080555048a26b615d7b54

Thanks, Rav3n.

[IMZ]

Campers, my knowledge of mining is next to none. But I have come to trust the judgement of this mining-knowledgeable community (and Ian agrees). If the consensus is to MM, then MM it shall be!

m

[IMZ]

Woo hoo!

Kudos to Coinwarp. The presentation is professional.

https://coinwarp.net/altcoins/unobtanium-0-inflation-cryptocurrency

[BitcoinCharlie]

Woo hoo!

Kudos to Coinwarp. The presentation is professional.

https://coinwarp.net/altcoins/unobtanium-0-inflation-cryptocurrency

Very nice!

What a great and impressive article!

[BitcoinNational]

WARNING
"You need to upgrade or other nodes need to upgrade"

My peers
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5/",
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5.9/",

[Zelig]

WARNING
"You need to upgrade or other nodes need to upgrade"

My peers
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5/",
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5.9/",

I'm not sure what this means?  I have 0.9.5.0... but, that appears to be the current version on http://www.unobtanium.uno./ ?

I'm currently only using cold storage but left UNO QT open today. 

Z

[BitcoinCharlie]

WARNING
"You need to upgrade or other nodes need to upgrade"

My peers
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5/",
"subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5.9/",

I'm not sure what this means?  I have 0.9.5.0... but, that appears to be the current version on http://www.unobtanium.uno./ ?

I'm currently only using cold storage but left UNO QT open today. 

Z

Yes I was wondering the same, is  that a warning, upgrade, question, or something else?

[BitcoinNational]

I'm on v.0.9.5.0  = "subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5/"

Is Unobtanium:0.9.5.9 causing the 'WARNING update nodes'?
This leaves me unable to sync.  Peers = 8

[Zelig]

I'm on v.0.9.5.0  = "subver" : "/Unobtanium:0.9.5/"

Is Unobtanium:0.9.5.9 causing the 'WARNING update nodes'?
This leaves me unable to sync.  Peers = 8

Just closed my QT.

Z

[Jelks]

Hash down to 29 ths, so switched on a miner at Miningpools.tk. 5 blocks so far.

@FK (and other miners using these new-fangled mining pools for UNO) ...

God I miss miningpool.co.  They shut down recently because apparently they weren't profitable.  But they were so straightforward to use, they were great.  Apparently I wasn't the only one who felt this way, as they often constituted more than half of the entire network hash!

Before that I had been using uno.coin-pool.org.  They were so-so/ok, except for one major flaw: if you happened to leave their "dashboard" open in your browser, you'd come back and find that (at best) your browser was locked up tighter than a clam and you'd have to kill it (if you could), and -- more often than not -- you'd have to reboot your entire machine!

So after miningpool.co's demise, I tried digitalgold.co.  More on this below...

And now I just tried your suggested miningpools.tk.

I go to the "Getting Started" link there.  Only two options:

    1.  Download NOMP app
        Our preconfigured app makes mining that easy.

I click that, and it comes back with an Alert saying "NOMP app development still in progress.", and your only choice is to click "OK".  (And what the heck does "NOMP" mean anyway?)

Okey dokey, so let's try option #2:

    2.  Select a coin for connection details
        Configurations for each coin are available for advanced miners

I click that one (it IS a link) but nothing happens.

Okey dokey.

Now there's a list on the left of a whole bunch of coins.  So I scroll down and click on "Unobtanium".  Nothing happens.  I wash, rinse and repeat Options 1 and 2 again, then scroll down and click on "Unobtanium" again.  Nothing.  Somehow, I scroll back up and see there was indeed a hidden Alert/info box/whatever you want to call it, waaay up at the top.  It says:

    Configuration:
    Username: your unobtanium wallet address
    Password: anything
    Algorithm: sha256
    URL (difficulty 512): stratum+tcp://miningpools.tk:80

Ahh, now maybe we're getting somewhere.  Except none of these fields are editable, so I certainly can't paste in a UNO address in the "Username" field.

OK, so let's look some more.  There's a "Worker's Stats" link at the top, I click it.  Nobody is mining UNO there.  I'm starting to get more bummed than I already was.

Hmm, what else?  Ah, there's a "Mining Key" link at the top.  I decide to check that out.

In so doing, I run into the same quagmire I ran into at digitalgold.co.  In fact, they look like they're running the exact same script.  I'm pretty sure they are.

This sure ain't the kind of stuff for granny.  In fact, this ain't the kind of stuff for grandson.  Let's look at it.  Note that all these keys and address are *generated*, you can't edit them, not even your Public UNO address...

    NO NOT LOSE THIS PRIVATE KEY. Any coins mined using this public key can only be controlled with this private key.
        Private key: a...
        Key for mining (hashed public key): c...
            An address for any type of coin can be derived from this mining key -
            and each of those coin address can only be controlled by this private key

    Public Unobtanium address:  u... [ed: uneditable!]
    Private Unobtanium key in wallet import format:  8X...
        How to import your private key for Unobtanium: 
            Open your Unobtanium wallet app
            Go to Help -> click Debug window -> click Console tab
            Enter the following command: importprivkey 8X...

        So I go to the Console...

            20:20:52
            Welcome to the Unobtanium RPC console.
            Use up and down arrows to navigate history, and Ctrl-L to clear screen.
            Type help for an overview of available commands.

        And I paste in the above "importprivkey 8X...":

            00:04:16
            importprivkey 8X...

            00:04:16
            Error adding key to wallet (code -4)

This is the exact thing I got when I tried these buck-teeth, taped up glasses, pocket-protector convolutions with the same script at digitalgold.co.

God I miss miningpool.co.

I'm not mining now, haven't been for 10 days or so.

@BW, I know you don't read this forum, but please hurry up and bring MM to UNO, and please make it doable by mere mortals!  :-)

This shouldn't be this hard for normal folks.