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[dwyane36]

This expectations is common to be seen from newbies. They usually made a mistake for thinking that there's easy money on gambling. But realize that its not easy as what they think when gamble and experience the worst.

If they are here for fun for sure they would never have any disappointing feeling especially for wanting immediate profit. But rather they enjoy playing here. Also there's cool activities happening like the one posted earlier by Betfury and for sure people or they would enjoy participating on those events.

I think that such expectations are typical not only for newcomers but also for some "experienced" gamblers. If all users came to the casino purely for fun, then neither Betfury nor any other casino would need to include a self-exclusion feature. The very existence of such a feature indirectly indicates that there are gamblers who clearly cannot control themselves or stop in time. In other words, it's hard to believe that players who can't control themselves actually enjoy gambling.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

In my opinion, losing money is equally painful in both futures trading and slots. For example, if you deposit money in a casino and then lose it all on slots, you're unlikely to feel any enjoyment.

It's not healthy to look at casinos as money-making machines for players. They are making money, but for themselves, not for you. It's an entertainment industry that profits and makes a living from your losses with one important distinction from other sources of entertainment: you have a chance to win something every time you come to play. That's what's appealing about them. But the wins are far from guaranteed, especially with games with a high house edge like slots.

This expectations is common to be seen from newbies. They usually made a mistake for thinking that there's easy money on gambling. But realize that its not easy as what they think when gamble and experience the worst.

As I see it, we should consider it as leisure money, spending money, which you hope for a positive experience but which does not have to turn out that way. You can go to the cinema or the theatre, and the money you pay for the ticket is spent, you write it off. The experience with the film or the performance can be very good, or bad.

In the same way you can deposit money in Betfury, but if you don't do it with the mentality of writing it off, you've screwed up. In the same way, you can have a very good experience, and win a good jackpot, or a bad one, and lose your deposit.

Although it is true that you learn this after a while, the first few times you bet you are just looking for luck without really understanding what it is all about and many people, especially newbies, think they can get rich betting.

[bitmover]

As I see it, we should consider it as leisure money, spending money, which you hope for a positive experience but which does not have to turn out that way. You can go to the cinema or the theatre, and the money you pay for the ticket is spent, you write it off. The experience with the film or the performance can be very good, or bad.

In the same way you can deposit money in Betfury, but if you don't do it with the mentality of writing it off, you've screwed up. In the same way, you can have a very good experience, and win a good jackpot, or a bad one, and lose your deposit.

Although it is true that you learn this after a while, the first few times you bet you are just looking for luck without really understanding what it is all about and many people, especially newbies, think they can get rich betting.

I know some people make money in casinos, specially sportsbet. But i never did.

Recently i discovered that i could make some bucks by joining all contests in games and round board, then get my wins and wager them in casinos.

I have been able to make a few money with it, and it is fun. I love when I see that I have won a contest of guessing prices or goals or yellow cards. I miss betfury in those games.

[babygun]

As I see it, we should consider it as leisure money, spending money, which you hope for a positive experience but which does not have to turn out that way. You can go to the cinema or the theatre, and the money you pay for the ticket is spent, you write it off. The experience with the film or the performance can be very good, or bad.

In the same way you can deposit money in Betfury, but if you don't do it with the mentality of writing it off, you've screwed up. In the same way, you can have a very good experience, and win a good jackpot, or a bad one, and lose your deposit.

Although it is true that you learn this after a while, the first few times you bet you are just looking for luck without really understanding what it is all about and many people, especially newbies, think they can get rich betting.

I know some people make money in casinos, specially sportsbet. But i never did.

Recently i discovered that i could make some bucks by joining all contests in games and round board, then get my wins and wager them in casinos.

I have been able to make a few money with it, and it is fun. I love when I see that I have won a contest of guessing prices or goals or yellow cards. I miss betfury in those games.

You can make money on sportsbet but I don’t know a lot of people who can do it year after year and keep having a positive ROI. But similar like you, I like the contests in the games and rounds sections and already got lucky 2 times. Would be nice if Betfury could also do something similar.

[DYING_S0UL]

Does anyone have the exact list of restricted countries for betfury? I checked their terms and conditions but couldn't found the specific set of list, it only says prohibited countries. Btw, gambling is illegal here but despite that there are many gambling platforms that are providing their services here! They are quite flexible to the users as the authority doesn't regulate this business in a strict manner! In short there are a lot of gray areas here. So theoretically speaking, are they allowed to register or not?

[Forsyth Jones]

Does anyone have the exact list of restricted countries for betfury? I checked their terms and conditions but couldn't found the specific set of list, it only says prohibited countries. Btw, gambling is illegal here but despite that there are many gambling platforms that are providing their services here! They are quite flexible to the users as the authority doesn't regulate this business in a strict manner! In short there are a lot of gray areas here. So theoretically speaking, are they allowed to register or not?

You must be looking for this list > https://docs.betfury.com/betfury/terms-of-services/terms-and-conditions

You are not allowed to register or if you are a customer residing in the following countries in section 3. Your obligations.

In the country where I reside, only casinos that have government permission can operate, but despite this, brazilian consumers don't care much about these licenses and can access the site even if it doesn't have a domain in brazil.

[Zwei]

Does anyone have the exact list of restricted countries for betfury? I checked their terms and conditions but couldn't found the specific set of list, it only says prohibited countries. Btw, gambling is illegal here but despite that there are many gambling platforms that are providing their services here! They are quite flexible to the users as the authority doesn't regulate this business in a strict manner! In short there are a lot of gray areas here. So theoretically speaking, are they allowed to register or not?

prohibited countries is the same as restricted countries.
so if your country is not in the restricted list in the terms, you are okay to register, you should only worry about your country laws and if you will get in trouble doing so.

as far as i understand the red part is shifting the legal responsibility to you, it's basically saying if your country goes after you, don't blame us. (someone correct me if i'm wrong)

3.3.  You are aware that the right to access and use the Website and any products there offered, may be considered illegal in certain countries. We are not able to verify the legality of service in each and every jurisdiction, consequently, you are responsible in determining whether your accessing and using our website is compliant with the applicable laws in your country and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside. For various legal or commercial reasons, we do not permit accounts to be opened or used by customers resident in certain jurisdictions, including but not limited to:

Afghanistan, Aruba, Algeria, Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Bahrain, Belgium, Bhutan, Brunei, Central African Republic, Chad, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea), Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, Iran, Iraq, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Mali, Malta, Myanmar, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles (Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba, Aruba), Norway, Oman, Palestine,Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia,Saba, Saint Martin, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Slovenia, Somalia, Spain, Statia,Switzerland, Syrian Arab Republic, Sudan, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates, United States (and its dependencies, military bases and territories i.e. U.S. Minor Outlying Islands, U.S. Virgin Islands), Vanuatu, Yemen,Zimbabwe.

or other restricted jurisdictions ("Restricted Jurisdiction") that are reported by us from time to time. By using the Website you confirm you are not a resident in a Restricted Jurisdiction.

[DYING_S0UL]

Does anyone have the exact list of restricted countries for betfury? I checked their terms and conditions but couldn't found the specific set of list, it only says prohibited countries. Btw, gambling is illegal here but despite that there are many gambling platforms that are providing their services here! They are quite flexible to the users as the authority doesn't regulate this business in a strict manner! In short there are a lot of gray areas here. So theoretically speaking, are they allowed to register or not?

You must be looking for this list > https://docs.betfury.com/betfury/terms-of-services/terms-and-conditions

You are not allowed to register or if you are a customer residing in the following countries in section 3. Your obligations.

In the country where I reside, only casinos that have government permission can operate, but despite this, brazilian consumers don't care much about these licenses and can access the site even if it doesn't have a domain in brazil.

Thanks, found the list!

Kinda similar situation here in Bangladesh! Many gambling platforms are operating without any licenses. Even though there are laws in place that it is prohibited, the authorities don’t seem to care. I’ve only seen them take action (not often) in bigger cases that drew a lot of attentions. But for average users, I’ve never heard of anyone facing legal consequences.

prohibited countries is the same as restricted countries.
so if your country is not in the restricted list in the terms, you are okay to register, you should only worry about your country laws and if you will get in trouble doing so.

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

[philipma1957]

This expectations is common to be seen from newbies. They usually made a mistake for thinking that there's easy money on gambling. But realize that its not easy as what they think when gamble and experience the worst.

If they are here for fun for sure they would never have any disappointing feeling especially for wanting immediate profit. But rather they enjoy playing here. Also there's cool activities happening like the one posted earlier by Betfury and for sure people or they would enjoy participating on those events.

I think that such expectations are typical not only for newcomers but also for some "experienced" gamblers. If all users came to the casino purely for fun, then neither Betfury nor any other casino would need to include a self-exclusion feature. The very existence of such a feature indirectly indicates that there are gamblers who clearly cannot control themselves or stop in time. In other words, it's hard to believe that players who can't control themselves actually enjoy gambling.

While playing it feels timeless and there are no worries.

Once the cash is gone the worries and feelings return most then say why did I do this.

[Zwei]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

using crypto is already illegal in Bangladesh as far as i know, so you are already breaking the law, lol
but you said the authorities don't seem to care, so you should be fine.

Once the cash is gone the worries and feelings return most then say why did I do this.

post gambling clarity is how i like to call it, and it's real.

[Taskford]

prohibited countries is the same as restricted countries.
so if your country is not in the restricted list in the terms, you are okay to register, you should only worry about your country laws and if you will get in trouble doing so.

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

That's confusing regulation and I think you are fine as long as your country is not listed on restricted list on Betfury. But what you need to do is to follow the update about the regulation happening in your country.

Since for sure that there will be some changes that will happen especially if government will see a rampant spread of illegal online casinos in your country.

This expectations is common to be seen from newbies. They usually made a mistake for thinking that there's easy money on gambling. But realize that its not easy as what they think when gamble and experience the worst.

If they are here for fun for sure they would never have any disappointing feeling especially for wanting immediate profit. But rather they enjoy playing here. Also there's cool activities happening like the one posted earlier by Betfury and for sure people or they would enjoy participating on those events.

I think that such expectations are typical not only for newcomers but also for some "experienced" gamblers. If all users came to the casino purely for fun, then neither Betfury nor any other casino would need to include a self-exclusion feature. The very existence of such a feature indirectly indicates that there are gamblers who clearly cannot control themselves or stop in time. In other words, it's hard to believe that players who can't control themselves actually enjoy gambling.

While playing it feels timeless and there are no worries.

Once the cash is gone the worries and feelings return most then say why did I do this.

Sometimes its hard for us to stop especially if we are in climax, what usually come up in our mind is to continue because we are enjoying so much on what we are playing especially if we feel so challenge to hit like more wins.

Then of course we could feel those misery once everything is gone and then realization came after that.

[memehunter]

While playing it feels timeless and there are no worries.

Once the cash is gone the worries and feelings return most then say why did I do this.

Indeed, it can work as a defense mechanism. I am not an expert in psychoanalysis, but I can tell you from my experience and what I have read/discussed, we need constant higher dopamine spikes. You lose interest in other fields of life because your base level of dopamine is getting higher, and you have now become accustomed to using gambling as stimulas to get higher levels of dopamine.
In poker/sports betting, you need to focus on learning and research to get enjoyment, and your sense of achievement must come from something you have learnt through training and self-discipline. If you are in a constant delusion of getting your sense of achievement from hitting 1000x on slots believe me you will need 10000x next time, and even 100000x.

[BlackyJacky]

Betfury is still lying about its license!

https://ibb.co/3536SHMV

As of today, Betfury claims to operate under the 365/JAZ license, while this license already expired 7 months and 17 days ago!

[Pmalek]

Although it is true that you learn this after a while, the first few times you bet you are just looking for luck without really understanding what it is all about and many people, especially newbies, think they can get rich betting.

They can and some people do but the odds aren't in your favor and the chances are small that you will be that person that wins the jackpot. It's like playing the lottery. You don't put all your hopes that your ticket will win, but it's still theoretically possible. In Europe we have the Eurojackpot that goes up to over €100 million at times. Buying a ticket and then getting stressed out and sad that your lucky numbers weren't picked shows a lack of common sense and logic.

[dwyane36]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

[Zadicar]

While playing it feels timeless and there are no worries.

Once the cash is gone the worries and feelings return most then say why did I do this.

Indeed, it can work as a defense mechanism. I am not an expert in psychoanalysis, but I can tell you from my experience and what I have read/discussed, we need constant higher dopamine spikes. You lose interest in other fields of life because your base level of dopamine is getting higher, and you have now become accustomed to using gambling as stimulas to get higher levels of dopamine.
In poker/sports betting, you need to focus on learning and research to get enjoyment, and your sense of achievement must come from something you have learnt through training and self-discipline. If you are in a constant delusion of getting your sense of achievement from hitting 1000x on slots believe me you will need 10000x next time, and even 100000x.

There's no such thing about contentment, because at the time that you do achieve that 1000x in slots then you will be putting up into your mind that you can be able to hit up 10000x easily and so on...
Experiencing a series of loses will be that totally wiped out on a single win or simply you will be forget and thats the reality on why gamblers do continue to play until they bust it all as long the dont be able to hit their goals then they would continue. The feel of regret will always be in the end of the line.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

Whenever I do saw that im prohibited to play or having some government regulations then i do just simply skip up and find for another one, but if you are eager to
play then its up to you on making up that registering an account or making use of VPN to access it. Just make it sure that you are wary about those possible consequences.

[Dicbac]

Welcome to bitcointalk!
I thought this was a new casino, but with 132 000 registered members, this isn't the case. Anyone here already member of this casino? Any thoughts/reviews?

Couple of questions that pop into my mind:
- What is your house edge?
- What is the minimum amount to withdraw ?
- Do you have a license?

The rtp of the in-house games are, for all intents and purposes, completely fictional. Through a lengthy back and forth after i became suspicious, the most i could get out of them was a certificate for their prng for the in-house games, which has no bearing on the actual rtp. I'd be happy to answer questions in relation to what they responded with on various questions i asked, but i will hold off on going into detail now, more so to save myself time. I've hopes that maybe a community such as this will pressure them into following through with getting the games tested by a 3rd party, which in their own words have told me they currently are not. They are only tested by themselves, and lets be honest here, we are hardly supposed to be expected to go by what they say in regards to their own game's fairness when they have a profit motive. It is just a shame because it was my favourite casino from the point of registering and remained so for around 4 days, until enough time and bets were placed for things to start appearing "off". The fact they proudly display the rtp as a financially motivated clickbaity factor is rather concerning, as if they cannot verify something as simple as the rtp of games they designed themselves, or give any insight into how theyve tested it themselves, then what else are they doing that hasnt been noticed yet.

The support was, for the most part, helpful, though some responses could have done without the sarcasm. Being told "everything is working just fine on our side " multiple times in response to lengthy messages I've sent, or "gamble responsibly " when im raising valid arguments after I've lost not an insignificant amount of money across a dozen consecutive sessions on a blackjack game touted as being 99.28%, is missing the point entirely, and certainly extends further than me just laying into a support person because I've had a bad day. I've always spoken with respect, the conversation never turned sour, thanks only to AI, I'll admit. I waited a day for further documentation that they were requesting from a team just to be sent the same prng document as i had the day prior, which wasn't ideal, but likely unfair to blame the support person for that, there could well have been miscommunication between the team and support. Overall the situation and lack of information that was helpful was annoying enough that i wanted to address it here.

Furthermore i was told i could test the games myself over a large number of games and verify it myself - partial quote: "For now, the RTP is based on our internal testing. You can also verify it yourself by placing a large number of bets — for example, around a million bets with the minimum amount of 0.00000001. Over such a long run, you'll see that the RTP is accurate." Needless to say, how dare they even suggest such a thing, i already felt like i was being robbed, so how is this in any way an appropriate suggestion to make?

Unfortunately the site no longer tops my charts, but i am still waiting and hoping ill be presented with documentation from a 3rd party to verify the rtp so i can remove the doubt from my mind. The last correspondence i had with them states that they are in the process of getting the games tested, so, im not sure how long that takes, but considering they have like 10-15 in-house games, surely it cannot be too long. Quote - "Thank you for your continued engagement and for sharing your concerns regarding the RTP verification of our proprietary games. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify our processes and reinforce our commitment to fairness and transparency. Regarding RTP Certification: We are currently in the process of updating our certification, as we mentioned before. This process is underway, but as it involves rigorous analysis and compliance checks, it may take some time to complete, and we cannot provide the set timeframes for it.

While we cannot provide an exact completion date at this moment, we anticipate receiving the updated certification in the near future and will make it publicly accessible once available.
Our current RTP figures are based on internal long-term simulations, designed to reflect expected return rates over extended gameplay. However, we understand that independent verification carries greater weight and credibility, which is why we are taking steps.

We appreciate your patience and your commitment to fair gaming practices. Your feedback is valuable to us, and we want to assure you that we take these concerns seriously. Should you have any further questions or require additional clarification, please don’t hesitate to reach out."

Now im waiting to be told by one of you that this is more common than not, the in-house testing for in-house games (or any games, for that matter), and i shall be quite the upset fellow if that is so. It just makes me wonder about all the sites that list the rtp, especially high ones - 98%+, but i do not have the time nor patience to start asking multiple sites as this interaction alone took something like 4 days just to receive that final message, and with many messages being exchanged since the beginning of the conversation.

[Dicbac]

To remove doubt of me lying or having malign intentions, here are the screenshots of the quotes i referenced.

https://www.talkimg.com/image/l0iaH

https://www.talkimg.com/image/l08Tg

https://www.talkimg.com/image/l0B7v

[philipma1957]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

I am USA so I am restricted. I could play around and use a vpn but I don't.

If you want to play online betting find out if there is a proper way or casino. If there is not you would be triple gambling.

1) the bet at the casino
2) the casino refuses payment if you win because you are not allowed to play.
3) your government figures out you bet and if you got paid takes the winning or just charges you with the crime of playing.


so 3x the bets for one bet.

[Dicbac]

As per betfury's restricted list of terms (if I saw correctly), I am allowed to register, but as per my countries law, it is prohibited.

Well, in that case, you can use the Betfury site without problems. But keep in mind that if the authorities in your country start to regulate it, and Betfury decides to adjust to them by adding the country to the list of restricted countries, then you will not be able to use your betfury account as usual. In this case, the site won't let you authorize because the corresponding pop-up window will appear every time.

I am USA so I am restricted. I could play around and use a vpn but I don't.

If you want to play online betting find out if there is a proper way or casino. If there is not you would be triple gambling.

1) the bet at the casino
2) the casino refuses payment if you win because you are not allowed to play.
3) your government figures out you bet and if you got paid takes the winning or just charges you with the crime of playing.


so 3x the bets for one bet.

I agree with you but a point i will address is the lack of protection casinos have in place to stop it from happening. I am from an unrestricted country but lived in the uk for a time, and since the UKGC is the worst regulatory body ive played under, bringing in constant changes to "protect players", which is just a nice way of saying to make the games less fun and to benefit casinos by not changing the glaring issues with terms & conditions, I quickly opted to avoid that mess and use a vpn to connect to where i am actually from. I do have the benefit of having a passport from there and an address, even when i didnt live there, though, so kyc was never an issue. Almost never. But my point is, i exclusively played outside of the uk regulated zone so i could play without restrictions of 2+seconds minimum between spins, no fast spins, less favourable bonuses, etc, and not once had an issue, aside from william hill who detect a vpn quite consistently. For clarity i use proton vpn, the only one worth having for my use case, due to it being open source and forms part of the broader proton suite such as mail, pass and drive. It is fairly low risk until you bring kyc into the equation, but some sites dont require it unless you are a high roller, which im about as far away from being as the sun is to us.