[SCAM] BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC

[janggernaut]

my funds are to be released.

So you have received the 1 BTC from your betcoin.ag account?

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[nullius]

Well, this is exemplary!

Thank you for the update, zikzik.  It is actually one of the best posts that I have read on this forum in awhile.

So all facts considered, i do understand that the activity of my account was suspicious to betcoin.ag and the investigation to follow was justifiable.

I am just happy that right away (in their initial response to my emails) betcoin.ag advised me to seek the mediation from the SBR.

Being a very emotional person, my first intention was to fight in public before any mediation. Well, it turns out, that all i had to do is wait for the SBR and betcoin.ag to investigate the case further.

If only everyone were so introspective.  :-/

As you understand, there are people who deal with scammers every day.  They are accustomed to being told lies and excuses.  A betting man knows the odds of your story being true.

On the flipside, I understand that playing the odds can lose.  That is why I would never bet on guilt, or presume guilt in one of these cases; and it is why, although I went a bit hard on you in places, I always sincerely emphasized that if you are innocent, I hope that you get your money back!

If an innocent party only looks suspicious due to happenstance, the result can be much frustration on both sides.  Judiciousness is uncommon to human nature.  People tend to lose perspective to their own biases, and thereupon jump to conclusions:  On one side, “This guy is guilty and lying!”  On the other side, “This site is a scam!”

Most notable is your above self-reflection on emotional reactions, and your understanding of the other party’s position.  It is honourable of you.  And meritorious.  Cheers.

Since you asked about “merit” before, I will note:  Because I do not have “merit source” privileges, I must earn 2x as much merit as I can send to others.  I am a bit low right now on sendable merit (sMerit), and trying to conserve it.  I will therefore send you +2 now, your first forum merit—and maybe a bit more after the case is fully concluded with funds in your wallet.  I rarely send more than +1 at a time.

Now that you have at least 1 merit, when the server slowly updates its rankings, you will see your forum rank change from “Newbie” to “Jr. Member” due to ≥30 activity.  It is not important; merit and ranks are excessively important only to people either who have no lives, or who are only here to grub for money with paid signatures and other bounties.  The merit system was introduced in an attempt to reduce forum spam from idiots who only post to show paid advertisements in their signatures, where paid advertising is allowed.  As you will note, I do not have any paid advertisement in my signature beneath this post.  —I just want to let you know how things work here.

Now i am happy that with the help of SBR and betcoin.ag security team we were able to come to an amicable solution where your account balance is released back to me.

I look forward to your update when you have received your funds.

Without knowing the details (and I do not assume you know, either), I wonder if this also means that the other related case will be resolved similarly.

You should know that I have been watching this thread carefully—as, no doubt, have many others.  For my part, if I didn’t always reply to you, it is only because I didn’t want to spam the thread with unnecessarily repetitious posts.  Here’s to a happy conclusion!

[TalkStar]

Being a very emotional person, my first intention was to fight in public before any mediation. Well, it turns out, that all i had to do is wait for the SBR and betcoin.ag to investigate the case further.
 
Now i am happy that with the help of SBR and betcoin.ag security team we were able to come to an amicable solution where your account balance is released back to me.

I want to thank all the parties involved, and of course the BitCoinTalk community.

Good to see that you have got your fund back and (Betcoin.ag) made professional response from their end. Its a sign that they are providing good service after getting under new ownership. I always suggest people to keep patience which can bring positive results for them. Your post was made on october 26 and now its already been 1 month+.

You can just keep the single word "SOLVED" in your topic title and delete rest of the part.

Thank you for sharing your updates.
 

[zikzik]

i was able to login to my account at betcoin.ag and submit the withdrawal request.
Ill update here once my 1.14 BTC is received ...

[RichGang]

i was able to login to my account at betcoin.ag and submit the withdrawal request.
Ill update here once my 1.14 BTC is received ...

i am so happy this was resolved to your favor. i will edit my post about them once you confirm you got your withdrawal

[Cryptobillionaire]

i should have some news soon ...

you are even falling for the obvious scam lol.

what do you mean ?

you are actually waiting for the result of this . which is what they want you to do lol

sorry man, i really dont understand your point yet ...
why would they want me to wait for the result? and why is it bad for me?

you where not updating on the outcome of the case. so it looked like the mediators where not responding to messages. when u involve the community, you should update as messages are received

[zikzik]

I have now received the full outstanding balance of my account to my BTC wallet. As far as i am concerned, my case is closed and solved with the help of SBR and betcoin security team

Without knowing the details (and I do not assume you know, either), I wonder if this also means that the other related case will be resolved similarly.

i cant answer this question, as, as i have stated many times before, i have no affiliation with that person (apart from him being a subscriber to my tips service). But, if you are interested, you can follow his case at his thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285526.0


I am closing this thread and changing the name to SOLVED.

[zikzik]

UNFORTUNATELLY
i had to reopen this thread, and reinstate the old name of SCAM

there has been new developments in the other person's thread and basically betcoin.ag is STILL calling me a scammer with multiaccounts (even after they paid me all my money in full).

My reputation and my business is in danger now. As my paying subscriber (he pays me to be able to listen to my bet recommendations) got his won money stolen by betcoin.ag BECAUSE he was following my bets (betting them in betcoin.ag, and i was also betting those bets there obviously).

After the whole mediation case guy i have much more information now. All that info that myself and fellow forum members have asked betcoin.ag numerous times to show here (and betcoing.ag never did) - I HAVE NOW.

In the coming days i will lay out all the facts and you will see how many times Betcoin.ag HAS LIED (even to the SBR mediator).

I will finally show you all the bets i took (and will ask the other account owner to show his bets also) and you will see that the claims betcoin.ag makes are really laughable.

My reputation and business is on the line and I WILL NOT LET IT GO.

Through a SBR mediator i had a deal with Betcoin.ag that they will return ALL MY MONEY IN FULL and i will close this thread, write a nice message for them to look good, ETC.

And my case was close, i did all i promise.

BUT, SBR or betcoin.ag NEVER even contacted the other person and just confiscated his won money. Now i am to blame for it. My tipping business is to blame for it. Betcoin says i am a scammer and I WILL NOT LET IT GO.


now i of course have an obligation to my 10000+ subscribers to notify them that betting the bets i recommend can lead to the their money stolen. Betcoin.ag has put me in a very bad situation and I FEEL THAT MY DEAL WITH THEM IS OFF.

[Betcoin.AG]

Hello, we have resolved this matter per SBR's recommendation.

As this was a case of multi-accounting, when we submitted the evidence to SBR, it was for both accounts, and they provided judgement in both matters.

As stated by the mediator:
"I'd suggest just the deposit then. Same for both accounts really. Lesser of balance or deposits."

Because of this, the account zik013 received his account balance, which was less than the total of deposits.
The account KillyPG received his deposit, which was less than the account balance.

We have abided in full by the mediator's judgement and are happy to put this matter to rest.

[zikzik]

As this was a case of multi-accounting, when we submitted the evidence to SBR, it was for both accounts, and they provided judgement in both matters.

SBR provided judgement for the second account without even talking to the account owner?


JUST TO CLARIFY EVERYBODY

In my dealings with the SBR representative this is not the impression i got - he didnt conclude i had two accounts. He simply made what was necessary for me to get my money back. He did not even go into the bets details (one of the arguments betcoin.ag had was the same bets), as he felt that was not needed to successfully resolve my case = GET MY MONEY BACK

I WANT TO STATE ONE MORE TIME
and now betcoin.ag its up to you to decide - IF you still claim that i am a scammer (had two accounts), i will do all in my power to prove otherwise. PROVE TO THE PUBLIC this time to start with. I have now all the facts, all the info needed to show your wrongdoings. SBR representative did what was needed to get my money back. But he did not get into the details as it was NOT needed to successfully resolve the case. But because you are threatening my business now, I WILL NOT LET IT GO.

Now the situation for me is much better. I got my money back. I can now focus without emotion on all the facts. You can still make it right and admit your mistake (as i did admit mine - using a VPN). Just a friendly advice - dont be so sure about the outcome of this situation. You have already paid me 1.1 BTC, but you still owe the other user his 0.5 BTC (i dont know the exact number). This time i have the list of all the bets i took and the other user confirmed to me that he has his also. This is the exact information you desperately tried to hide for the past months. Now it will be public and your reputation will take ANOTHER hit.

You can still make it right. Admit your mistake.

[Hhampuz]

Jesus christ zikzik.

[KILLYMNE]

Jesus christ zikzik.

i am not zikzik, but you think i should let them steal about 8000 USD from me?

[Hhampuz]

i cant answer this question, as, as i have stated many times before, i have no affiliation with that person (apart from him being a subscriber to my tips service). But, if you are interested, you can follow his case at his thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285526.0


I am closing this thread and changing the name to SOLVED.

Interestingly enough, you are now banging the drum again, going back to making threats. Not to mention, you claimed this case to be solved and you did lock the thread yet you kept the negative trust on Betcoins profile.

If SBR confirmed that you were multi accounts (feel free to refute what betcoin shared if you want, with evidence), I think you "both" should consider yourselves lucky to even get some of the money back. As this story continues to not make sense.

[zikzik]

Interestingly enough, you are now banging the drum again, going back to making threats. Not to mention, you claimed this case to be solved and you did lock the thread yet you kept the negative trust on Betcoins profile.

If SBR confirmed that you were multi accounts (feel free to refute what betcoin shared if you want, with evidence), I think you "both" should consider yourselves lucky to even get some of the money back. As this story continues to not make sense.

1. My bad about the rating. I did realize that it is still there only today. But now i have no reason to remove it. But i do apologize that i did not remove it initially (i am new to the forum, and betcoin rep did not request me to do that).

2. Yes, i am banging the drums. They are calling me a scammer, which i am not. They are threatening my business. I HAVE THE RIGHT to defend myself and will do so for as long as i can.

3. "If SBR confirmed that you were multi accounts" - i did not get this impression from my business with the SBR mediator. He was always on my side from the start.

4. I am lucky in the sense that i got my money back (even though i have LOST in my account). But i am extremely unlucky to be called a scammer now and to have my tipster business in a very very big jeopardy.

[zikzik]

OK, here it goes.

So, concerning KillyPG account, Betcoin.ag claims that i was opened and operated my me.

This accusation is supported by only two facts:

1. The deposit to KillyPG account was made from the same btc wallet address as one of the deposits to my account
2. They claim that the betting pattern of KillyPG is the same as my betting patter (that is we took the same bets in order to "abuse their system by circumventing the betting limits")

THERE IS NOTHING ELSE that they have, that can support their claim that it was me who opened and operated the KillyPG account. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT NOW, as i have been in the mediation case with SBR and was presented with all the facts and accusations that betcoin.ag have.

There is nothing else to connect the account with me. We are different people in different countries. KillyPG did not break any rules, he did not use any VPNs and his country Montenegro is perfectly allowed on betcoin.ag platform.

SO THAT IS IT. ALL THE ACCUSATIONS ARE BASED ON TWO CLAIMS ABOVE.


Remember that now we are only concerned with the KillyPG account. My account is out of the question now, the fact that i have used VPNs and other stuff is not relevant anymore, because the case of my account is closed and i did get my money in full back.

Betcoin.ag refused to pay KillyPG's winning from his account, accusing him of the two things above.

Now i did admit the #1 claim in my very first post and still consider that there was nothing wrong with this fact. KillyPG is not a crypto user and as i have owed him money - he simply asked me to pay him back via depositing to his betcoin.ag account, as he did not even have a btc wallet to use.

Now the interesting part about the "fact #2" is that I (and other forum users) have been asking betcoin.ag rep to provide in this topic the list of all the bets i took and the bets KillyPG took for all of us to see, HOW WE HAVE BEEN "abusing their system by circumventing the betting limits". Remember, betcoin.ag claims that i have opened this extra KillyPG account for this very exact reason.

So I have been asking betcoin.ag to provide this info here (KillyPG also authorized them to disclose his bets here) for weeks, but they ALWAYS REFUSED TO DO IT.

I mean WHY WOULD THEY NOT WANT TO DO IT? It woud "certainly" prove their point

I have been saying all along, that they would not do it simply because anybody with a brain cell would right away see that the two accounts are operated by different people (bettors with different betting patterns, different styles and different bets).

I have also asked the SBR mediator to request this info from betcoin.ag, but he did not do it also, as he felt i should get my money back regardless and he did not go into those details.

So betcoing.ag would not release the bet lists as they knew it would prove i am not connected to the KillyPG account. Thats was a nice situation for them

Fortunately for KillyPG, when betcoin.ag was forced to pay back my money (and KillyPG also), they did it by reopening accounts for the purpose of withdrawing. When i logged in i saw that i could copy all the information from the account and i advised KillyPG to do the same.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE FULL BET LISTS OF BOTH ACCOUNTS

[wildan88]

You understand that this comes across as very suspicious, don't you? It could be a direct reason as proof you're using the same accounts, or a conspiracy.
That was a stupid move, I can't blame Betcoin for acting like that after reading this.

This accusation is supported by only two facts:

1. The deposit to KillyPG account was made from the same btc wallet address as one of the deposits to my account
2. They claim that the betting pattern of KillyPG is the same as my betting patter (that is we took the same bets in order to "abuse their system by circumventing the betting limits")

Especially when reading the 1st point, should be already enough evidence. Because there is now officially proof that both accounts are playing from the same wallet.

[zikzik]

Especially when reading the 1st point, should be already enough evidence. Because there is now officially proof that both accounts are playing from the same wallet.

This is your opinion. I see nothing criminal is that. Not everybody uses crypto nowadays. That WAS NOT my btc deposited to betcoin.ag, that was KillyPG's btc, as i owed it to him

[Hhampuz]

Everything is just perfect for you isn't it... KillyPG can't deposit his own BTC, luckily enough you (you previously stated you don't even know KillyPG) owe him btc and can deposit it for him so that he can follow your bets and bet on only what you advised him to bet on?

Sorry but.. you said you'd accept the mediators ruling, you got your money back, KillyPG got their deposits back.. There is no issue here, it's over and done with.

Looking at how you are handling this now, merely days after it was finished goes to show that Betcoin would have been better off not paying you at all, sad to say but it's true.

[zikzik]

you previously stated you don't even know KillyPG

This just proves that you did not even read my initial post and just defend Betcoin.ag JUST COZ, as they say ...

[zikzik]

This is the betlist of ALL THE BETS KillyPG has taken in his accounts. The stake is in units. Each unit is 1/1000 of BTC

Date	Link	Match	Stake	Odds	Payout	Copied
Oct-21	verify	Krystal Kherson	5	3.05	15.25
Oct-21	verify	Krystal Kherson	10	2.1	21
Oct-21	verify	Krystal Kherson	15	1.7	25.5
Oct-21	verify	Aris Limasol	15.05	2	0	YES
Oct-21	verify	Concordia	30	2.45	0	YES
Oct-20	verify	Majsus M / Vedashe	1.17	2.1	2.457	YES
Oct-20	verify	Buducnost	68.27	1.7952	122.5
Oct-20	verify	Buducnost	8.93	2.5296	22.58
Oct-20	verify	America	17.58	3.85	68.72	YES
Oct-20	verify	DRASSBURG	15.38	2.15	33.06	YES
Oct-20	verify	Metropolitan MORNAR	75	1.75	131.2
Oct-20	verify	Metropolitan MORNAR	0.1	1.95	0.195
Oct-20	verify	MWADULI	50	1.65	82.5
Oct-20	verify	NAPREDAK	6.24	2.14	0	YES
Oct-20	verify	MAGNOLIA	60	2	120	YES
Oct-20	verify	RUDAR	9.86	1.87	18.43
Oct-19	verify	Dinamo Tbilisi	13.92	4.08	0
Oct-19	verify	Dinamo Tbilisi	9.59	5.47	0
Oct-19	verify	Bonishuk	3.54	2.01	7.1154
Oct-19	verify	Lamia	30	2.77	83.1
Oct-19	verify	Lamia	7	3.46	24.22
Oct-19	verify	Lamia	7	4.95	34.65
Oct-19	verify	SGA Saratov	1	2	2	YES

This is the betlist for my account. Please note i listed only the bets for the 3 days that KillyPG had his account. Overall i have 93 more bets for a total of 4429 staked.

Date	Verify	Match	Stake	Odds	Payout	Copied
2020-10-21	verify	Aris Limassol FC-Ethnikos Achnas FC	34.2	2	0	YES
2020-10-21	verify	FK Mladost Lucani-FK Dinamo Vranje	33	1.8	59.4
2020-10-21	verify	FK Sevlievo-PFC Slavia Sofia	4.02	1.85	0
2020-10-21	verify	CS Concordia Chiajna-CS Mioveni	35	2.45	0	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Acs Dacia Unirea Braila-SCM Gloria Buzau	47.99	1.9	91.181
2020-10-21	verify	Acs Dacia Unirea Braila-SCM Gloria Buzau	21.6	2.6	0
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	7.35	1.47	10.8045	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	3.29	2.05	6.7445	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	5.27	2.05	10.8035	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	8.52	1.52	12.9504	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	4.43	2.05	9.0815	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	5.54	1.8	9.972	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A	3.84	2.5	9.6	YES
2020-10-21	verify	Yokohama B-Corsairs-Chiba Jets Funabashi	44	2.016	88.704
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	24.11	2.44	58.8284
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	30.87	1.9	58.653
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	38.59	1.9	73.321
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	15.04	1.9	28.576
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	34.04	3.0728	104.59811
2020-10-21	verify	Alvark Tokyo-Utsunomiya Brex	46.3	1.75	81.025
2020-10-21	verify	Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets	21.59	3.3734	72.83171
2020-10-21	verify	3 basketball + 1 football combo	11.11	6.101172	67.78402
2020-10-21	verify	5 basketball + 1 football combo	11.11	10.313104	114.57858
2020-10-21	verify	3 game basketball combo	33.33	2.814928	93.82155
2020-10-21	verify	6 game basketball combo	11.11	9.696109	107.72377
2020-10-20	verify	Sao Paulo FC-Basquete Osasco	200	1.03	206
2020-10-20	verify	America FC MG-Gremio Esportivo Brasil	3.36	4.05	13.608	YES
2020-10-20	verify	America FC MG-Gremio Esportivo Brasil	33	3.8	125.4	YES
2020-10-20	verify	America FC MG-Gremio Esportivo Brasil	11	8.25	90.75	YES
2020-10-20	verify	ASV Drassburg-Bruck/Leitha	61.51	2.15	132.2465	YES
2020-10-20	verify	ASV Drassburg-Ask-Bsc Bruck/Leitha	26.69	2.06	54.9814	YES
2020-10-20	verify	United Generations For Basketball-REG BBC	48	1.9	0
2020-10-20	verify	United Generations For Basketball-REG BBC	56	1.8	0
2020-10-20	verify	United Generations For Basketball-REG BBC	67	1.8	0
2020-10-20	verify	United Generations For Basketball-REG BBC	55	1.95	0
2020-10-20	verify	Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons	55	1.95	0
2020-10-20	verify	Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons	44.82	1.9	0
2020-10-20	verify	Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons	55	1.9	0
2020-10-20	verify	Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons	93.65	1.95	0
2020-10-20	verify	Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons	63.55	2.4	0
2020-10-20	verify	FK Napredak Krusevac-OFK Zarkovo	24.97	2.14	0	YES
2020-10-20	verify	FC Dinamo Auto-FC Sheriff Tiraspol	15.39	1.37	0
2020-10-20	verify	FC Dinamo Auto-FC Sheriff Tiraspol	3.35	2.7	0
2020-10-20	verify	Magnolia Hotshots-Meralco Bolts	99	1.75	173.25	YES
2020-10-19	verify	Sgau-Saratov-Sungul Snezhinsk	22	1.8	39.6	YES
2020-10-19	verify	Sgau-Saratov-Sungul Snezhinsk	33	1.85	0	YES
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	2.23	1.6	3.568
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	7	1.65	11.55
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	4.06	1.7	6.902
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	7.79	1.75	13.6325
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	1.74	3.1	5.394
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	6.49	1.9	12.331
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	12.43	1.47	18.2721
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	3.44	2.7	9.288
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	3.95	2.85	11.2575
2020-10-19	verify	Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Borec S / Bondarenko R	4.49	2	8.98

PLEASE note, that EVERY bet can be verified on the betcoin.ag website itself by clicking on the verify link. Betcoin.ag site gives access to all the bets taken on it as long as you know the bet ID.


So KillyPG had his account for 3 days, i had my account for 3 months

During the 3 days KillyPG had his account he has taken 23 bets from which 8 bets were on the same 8 matches (1 bet per match) that i had also bet in my account. On his “unique” matches he usually took 2 or 3 bets per match.

Lets take a look at those 8 bets (8 matches)

Total bet on “copied from me” matches was 146.42 (0.146 btc), this represents less than 32% of his total bets (459.63)
Average bet on “copied from me” matches was 18.3 (0.0183 btc), while average bet on unique (matches not taken in my account) match was 39.13

So to put it in perspective, on his every unique bet he took on average more than TWICE AS MUCH money then he took on every “copied from me” bet

Two of his 8 “copied from me” bets were for about 20 euros each.

Only one of his 8 “copied from me” bets was taken for more than his average bet.
It was a bet on Magnolia Hotshots-Meralco Bolts basketball game from the Philippines PBA tournament. This tournament is available to bet in Pinnacle (very high limits) for example and generally in ANY bookmaker around. This was a LIVE BET, which means GREATLY increased maximums. Was a bet for 0.06 btc.

On his “unique” bets he had bets of 0.0772 and 0.075 btc for example.

The second biggest “copied from me” bet was a 0.03 btc (remember “unique” game bet average is 0.03913 btc) LIVE bet on a Romanian Cup football (a normal tournament with quite large maximum in all the sportsbooks around). Also LIVE means increased maxbets possible.

3 of his 8 “copied from me” bets have lost. Overall he had 0.079 btc profit from “copied from me” bets. That represents 22.5% from his overall profit. So he made more than 3 times as much money on his “unique” bets, than he made on “copied from me” bets.

Now lets crossover to my account. Again, i had it for 3 months, since July. First bet i took was on August 10th.

During these 3 days that KillyPG also had his account there were 8 matches that we both had bets on - “copied from me” matches.

My total bet on those 8 matches was 421.97 which is almost 3 times as much as KillyPG. Overall the bets on the “copied from me” matches represented around 7% of my total bets (and 25% in the last 3 days).

My average bet on every “copied from me” match was almost 0.053 btc, remember KillyPG’s average bet on every “copied from me” match was almost THREE TIMES LESS (0.0183 btc).

For example,
on a “copied from me” match Sgau-Saratov-Sungul Snezhinsk i bet 0.055 btc, while KillyPG bet 0.001 (55 TIMES LESS) - 15 euro
On a “copied from me” match Majsus M / Vedashenko M-Angelov N / Rohozhyn A i bet 0.03824 btc, while KillyPG bet 0.00117 (almost 33 TIMES LESS) - 20 euro


Overall almost every game i bet at least 2-5 TIMES MORE than KillyPG.

Betcoin.ag security claims that i opened KillyPG account in order to “circumvent their betting limits”, ie to BET MORE MONEY on these “copied from me” matches.

Lets look at some of my individual bets from those 3 days (remember i am only taking into account those 3 days KillyPG also had his account, if i were to take a look at the overall statistics it would be even more overwhelming):

If i was a scammer and multi account holder (as betcoin.ag accuses me of), naturally i would want to use both accounts to bet the most on the games that i wanted. That is the whole point of their accusation, isnt it? I opened two accounts “to abuse their system by circumventing their betting limits”.

So naturally the biggest bets i wanted to take, would be taken on both accounts (otherwise where is the abuse and multi account fraud here?). Lets take a look:

The biggest bet i took in my account (talking only about those 3 days) was a bet on the Vietnam Basketball game Ho Chi Minh City Wings-Da Nang Dragons. Overall i took 0.312 btc in MY account and ZERO in KillyPG account. And LOST.
The second biggest bet i took in my account was a bet on United Generations For Basketball-REG BBC game. Overall i took 0.226 btc in MY account and ZERO in KillyPG account. And LOST.
The third biggest bet i took in my account was a bet on Sao Paulo FC-Basquete Osasco basketball game. Overall i took 0.2 btc in MY account and ZERO in KillyPG account. Finally won that bet
The fourth biggest bet i took in my account was a bet on Levanga Hokkaido-Akita Northern Happinets basketball game. Overall i took at least (it was in some other combos also) 0.1642 btc in MY account and ZERO in KillyPG account. Won very nicely on that game and many combos with it.

So you can CLEARLY see that the bets i wanted to take the MOST MONEY on, were NOT TAKEN in KillyPG account. Does it make sense if i am a scammer and multi account holder? Where is the so-called famous “abusing the system by circumventing their betting limits”?

Ok, maybe i have won the most from the so called “copied from me” matches? Lets see:
Hard to find big wins in my account, as overall I was in big minus. That minus was even bigger for the last last day on which I hit 10+ combos on basketball. Some of the combos were 6 match combos (all matches won), some 4, 3 and so on. Overall on that last day on MY UNIQUE basketball (mostly Japanese) bets (mostly BIG COMBOS) i have won around 0.63 btc.

This is BY FAR the biggest profit i made on any game (in these combos almost everywhere i had the same set of japanese basketball games).

Remember in the beginning of this saga myself and some other forum members were like everyday asking betcoin.ag representative to show the list of my bets (KillyPG did authorize the release of his bets also)?

I told you even then, that it would NEVER happen. Because with this info open to the public it does not take a genius to figure out that these two accounts belong to different people with different betting patterns (see the difference of the bets on the same matches KillyPG and i usually take, for example).

Now i have proven to all of you with HARD COLD NUMBERS, that ANY claim of the so-called mysterious “abusing the system by circumventing betting limits” is just LAUGHABLE.

Now it is a fact that KillyPG and myself have a small number of bets on the same matches (and roughly the same outcomes, roughly because not ALL the bets we took on the same matches are on the same outcomes).

I am a tipster (a person who advises others on what to bet) with the best statistics in the biggest betting community in the world - Blogabet. I have over 10000 subscribers and people generally follow my bets.

KillyPG here is a member of my private paid group of people to whom i release my bets in the first place. I have proven to the SBR mediator (i was asked by him about 3 random bets betcoin.ag was interested in) that i have posted those bets to my private channel and advised my followers to immediately take them.

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. IN FACT, betcoin.ag do it themselves also. On their website you can find previews of different games, where in the end they give their advice, their recommendation on what to bet. Like here for example https://www.betcoin.ag/aalborg-handbold-vs-barcelona-champions-league-handball-bitcoin-sportsbook they advise to bet on -6.5 on Barcelona handball