Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)

[survivor69]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23lt4p/neo_bee_the_full_picture/

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[Stuartuk]

Does anybody know if Danny really has a daughter in Cyprus?

I ask because Danny could have been a plant from the British Intelligence community or banking industry who was tasked with destroying the public perception of Bitcoin as a safe or reliable place for their savings.

But if he really does have a daughter this would be very unlikely as they would not involve a minor in such a scheme - in that case he likely unintentionally traded the coins away.

[NanoAkron]

Does anybody know if Danny really has a daughter in Cyprus?

I ask because Danny could have been a plant from the British Intelligence community or banking industry who was tasked with destroying the public perception of Bitcoin as a safe or reliable place for their savings.

But if he really does have a daughter this would be very unlikely as they would not involve a minor in such a scheme - in that case he likely unintentionally traded the coins away.

Seems a little far-fetched, but stranger things have happened. Also remember that in the UK police have previously infiltrated groups, led them on riots and impregnated group members all to further their long-term investigations. Those are some serious psychopaths they're recruiting.

[NotLambchop]

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I ask because Danny could have been a plant from the British Intelligence community or banking industry who was tasked with destroying the public perception of Bitcoin as a safe or reliable place for their savings. ...

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

[Stuartuk]

Seems a little far-fetched, but stranger things have happened.

Yes this kind of infiltration is very much standard modus operandi of the UK Secret Services. It would be a typical operation, with precedent.

If Bitcoin becomes the success it has the potential to be, then as we know the global banking industry and Governments will face a huge 'funding problem'. Significant failures like this will lead to calls for regulation and when a firestorm is encouraged by the Press off the back of these high-profile failures then Regulation follows and Governments gain enough control of digital currency to make them happy.

If Danny is an inside man then he could disappear forever or far more likely be given a trial in the UK and receive a light sentence - one which he has agreed to as part of this job. Snowdon has proved that Secret Services are being used for commercial sabotage - incase there was any doubt.

[Bit_Happy]

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If Danny is an inside man then he could disappear forever or far more likely be given a trial in the UK and receive a light sentence - one which he has agreed to as part of this job. Snowdon has proved that Secret Services are being used for commercial sabotage - incase there was any doubt.

Almost the same for Mark K, at one point I was convinced MtGox was a Gov operation.
If Danny and/or Mark are working for Secret Services they might end up dead to prevent ever talking.
Not the type of job most "normal" people would want.

[NotLambchop]

^As much as the 2 of u would like to see yourselves as players in a grand and sinister drama, Danny was just an ordinary, run-of-the-mill scammer, and you were his ordinary, run-of-the-mill rubes.  Learn from this and move on.

[pleiotropik]

"Learn from this and move on."  Word.

Financial fraud is happening every minute of every day everywhere. Don't be paranoid, just act as if you were one and you'll be ok.

(Yes i lost coin in N&B. i went in on Antonopoulos endorsement; but not blaming him. just will not listen to him anymore as a financial advisor. More like a preacher, good for sunday church).

[Stuartuk]

Financial fraud is happening every minute of every day everywhere. Don't be paranoid,

Sure, I said Danny could be a plant - raising it as a possibility. Being aware of all possible explanations does not make you paranoid - and him being a plant from the banking industry or Government is possible. And him being a scammer is also possible. Him being a very bad CEO and a terrible day trader who gambled away all the company funds is my 'most likely' scenario.

The other issue I wanted to raise was the Ukyo episode. If Danny was gambling away the IPO coins trying to play the price swings of the BTC market on MtGox then why would he get so eagerly into bed with Ukyo?

It seems likely then that Danny had a lot of IPO coin (not just his own) invested in Bitfunder securities? But perhaps he also wanted be be able to use Ukyo as a fall guy for some aspect of the lost IPO coin loss? (Obviously we know Ukyo DID loose, misplace or gamble away coins.) Without knowing the nature of their relationship it would be hard to say but there may be more on this in the future. Has there been any comment from Ukyo?

[JorgeStolfi]

him being a plant from the banking industry or Government is possible.

The UK government could stamp out bitcoin much more easily by declaring it private money hence illegal. (I am assuming; every government which is minimally awake should rigorously forbid privately issued currencies.)

And him being a scammer is also possible. Him being a very bad CEO and a terrible day trader who gambled away all the company funds is my 'most likely' scenario.

That is why it would be interesting to know Danny's history in Britain before going to Cyprus.  Hard to believe that no one in Cyprus bothered to ask, and no reporter in England cared to find out...

[JorgeStolfi]

Ukyo's a gubmint plant too.

Danny = British gubmint.
Ukyo = US gubmint.
Mark = French gubmint.

Then, presumably,'

Bobby Lee = Chinese gubmint
Those alexeys of BTC-e = Russian gubmint
Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint
The guy of Bitstamp = Slovenian gubmint
Antonopoulos = Greek gubmint
Tuur Demeester = Dutch gubmint

And so on.  Geez, the whole United Nations are out to kill Bitcoin! ...

[Swordsoffreedom]

Ukyo's a gubmint plant too.

Danny = British gubmint.
Ukyo = US gubmint.
Mark = French gubmint.

Then, presumably,'

Bobby Lee = Chinese gubmint
Those alexeys of BTC-e = Russian gubmint
Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint
The guy of Bitstamp = Slovenian gubmint
Antonopoulos = Greek gubmint
Tuur Demeester = Dutch gubmint

And so on.  Geez, the whole United Nations are out to kill Bitcoin! ...

Wow so many gubmints

Guess I'll add
Kaiser = Russian Gumbit

[okaynow]

Hard to believe...no reporter in England cared to find out...

What do you find hard to believe? You seemed to believe any kind of rumour relatively easy, without doing any reasonable fact checking yourself, let alone the coinpress you so much and blindly trust.

Aren;t you the one that sent me a pm accusing me of working/owning moolah? Yes you were.
Why did you do that? Because facts don;t really matter i guess, and its easier to accuse that actually research.

How long did it take you to verify the nonsense you pulled out of your mouth? Not much. Because you did not.

Are you not the one that was accusing whoever asked for evidence, of lying, in the same post you were asking for evidence on Brewsters whereabouts? Yes, that was your hypocritical bidding. But you believed its ok for you to ask for evidence, its bad for others to do so

Your "academic" interest in the speculative nature of an unregulated market is quite interesting to watch.
You have not "invested" in this, but you are looking for him and his daughter, which looks like.. personal issues here too?
Looks like you are part of the team that layed the threats, you know, the same team the HighCourt is allegedly looking for.

[tinus42]

Tuur Demeester = Dutch gubmint

Tuur = Belgian gubmint. Also EU gubmint because he's based in Brussels like the EU and also the EU president Von Rompuy is a Belgian. 

[minerpart]

The UK government could stamp out bitcoin much more easily by declaring it private money hence illegal. (I am assuming; every government which is minimally awake should rigorously forbid privately issued currencies.)

I'm not sure that there are any explicit laws against a 'private money' in the UK and if there were Bitcoin could not be put into such an illegal class as it is a global decentralized digital currency - laws to actively ban BTC do not exist because it is a new and unique technology.

Having said that it seems this article wound suggest a private currency/money tag would benifit not hinder Bitcoin:

http://www.coindesk.com/uk-tax-authority-hmrc-reclassify-bitcoin-private-currency/

The proposition is that Governments do not want to ban digital currency but tax and control it which is a far more effective control. If they tried to ban BTC at this point without sufficient cause there would be a huge backlash and their attempts would be very unpopular. Which is why failures like NB provided regulators and legislators with the perfect conditions to implement popular and restrictive controls.  

[JorgeStolfi]

Aren;t you the one that sent me a pm accusing me of working/owning moolah? Yes you were.
Why did you do that? Because facts don;t really matter i guess, and its easier to accuse that actually research.

I did not "accuse" you, I thought you were connected to them, rather than just their customer. And I apologized immediately for the mistake.  So what?

Are you not the one that was accusing whoever asked for evidence, of lying, in the same post you were asking for evidence on Brewsters whereabouts? Yes, that was your hypocritical bidding. But you believed its ok for you to ask for evidence, its bad for others to do so

Your "academic" interest in the speculative nature of an unregulated market is quite interesting to watch.  You have not "invested" in this, but you are looking for him and his daughter, which looks like... personal issues here too. Looks like you are part of the team that layed the threats, you know, the same team the HighCourt is allegedly looking for.

This is insane.  What the media wrote about Neo & Bee has been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt.  You insulted me because I believed those reports, insulted me because I asked about the background of a person being sought by the police -- and now you accuse me of a crime?  I am the bad guy in this story?

What is happening? Why are you so obsessed about me?  Is it strange for someone to be interested in knowing the details of an attempt to swindle an entire country?

I must ask again, are you a relative or close friend of Danny? I can't make sense of your posts otherwise...

(By the way, I am not interested on Danny's  current whereabouts - that is the police's job. I never asked where is his daughter; Danny himself said he left her in Cyprus.  And I am still interested in what he did before going to Cyprus.)

[stereotype]

So, is it ok to name the big merchant that Danny said he was in ongoing talks with, or is it old known news now?

[okaynow]

I am the bad guy in this story?
Why are you so obsessed about me?  Is it strange for someone to be interested in knowing the details of an attempt to swindle an entire country?
I must ask again, are you a relative or close friend of Danny? I can't make sense of your posts otherwise...

Not obsessed at all. I'm pointing out that you jump to conclusions too soon.
I just dont think that the way you try to rationalise everything makes any sense at all.
I find it interesting that anyone in this thread criticizing the sheer amount of FUD layed out by the troll crew
has to be a "family" or a "friend" or somehow related to brewster.

I also find interesting the fact that only a handfull of accounts are taking this to personal levels, like you and a couple of other inter-thread famous accounts.

Or, the "asking for evidence is guilt" attitude you carry. Even with all of the N&B staff coming out and making statements,
nothing is actually confirmed from the mountain of allegations. Peopleare crying over spilt milk, but from what we know according to
staff members and brewsters' posts, 2 people have filed complaints, and nothing more.

Even the so called warrant, is based on somebody complaining about what?
Nobody knows exactly. That did not stop the troll crew to keep screaming.

Yet, you and the troll crew, seem to be avoiding to discuss on the dirty part of this story.

The black-market trade that btcapples started and tanked the price, with him selling in here below market
and his buyers moving it to havelock for quick profits.
The fact that Havelock clearly manipulated the listing, taking it out for a ride on their own, as soon as they saw they could do it,
the fact that TAT bailed the boat the very moment the btcapples made his trade here and NB asked their listing be frozen

and a few more.
I am merely focusing on the fact that a certain number of accounts are fixated on brewster.
Not on resolving anything regarding NB.

[NotLambchop]

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Yet, you and the troll crew, seem to be avoiding to discuss on the dirty part of this story.

The black-market trade that btcapples started and tanked the price, with him selling in here below market
and his buyers moving it to havelock for quick profits.
The fact that Havelock clearly manipulated the listing, taking it out for a ride on their own, as soon as they saw they could do it,
the fact that TAT bailed the boat the very moment the btcapples made his trade here and NB asked their listing be frozen

and a few more.
I am merely focusing on the fact that a certain number of accounts are fixated on brewster.
Not on resolving anything regarding NB.

Let me be blunt:
By suggesting that you are Danny's friend or a relative, people are giving you the benefit of the doubt.  The only other possibilities open at this time, now that Danny has ran away with your coin and NEOBEE shares are worth about as much as the paper they're not printed on, are these:

1)  You're mentally challenged, differently-enabled, or whatever the term de jure is for "dumber than dirt."

2)  You're the worst pumper evah, and just don't know when to quit.

As far as your bolded complaints, i'll address them again:

a) "black-market trade":  As far as adults are concerned, an unlicenced Panamanian intertubes exchange *IS* blackmarket trade.

b) The fact that Havelock clearly manipulated the listing  Manipulation?  On MY unlicenced Panamanian exchange??!!  Jesus no!  Next you'll tell me that Three Card Monte games are rigged!

c) the fact that TAT bailed the boat the very moment the btcapples made his trade here See (b).

So... Yah.
Danny ran away with your coin.
We told you he would.
You knew better.
Here we are

Again, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you're just a clueless "investor" and not a part of this ...whatever it is.

[NotLambchop]