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January 07, 2021, 02:44:27 PM
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Counting card is actually one of the oldest and easy to spot trick to beat casino, I think also that isn't so common in real life... Very important! counting card in most of cases could provide only an odds advantage and rarely can be a sure win. Casino owner know very well these type of tricks and have several "weapons" to avoid counting card
"counting card" generally only reduces the risk of losing a player (not 100% will win).  This is a strong reason why "bodyguards" are always prepared in every card game by the gambling business owner, the goal is to monitor each player whether anyone uses this trick or not.  usually, when a player is caught using this "counting card" trick, the player will be kicked out and banned from playing in that casino forever..

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January 07, 2021, 03:11:08 PM
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Considering the era of online casinos nowadays, It is interesting if someone could make this kind of list, but for:
- Multi-account abuser
- Hacker
- Finding exploits, etc.

Anyway, I don't think that card counting is cheating if a person does it by himself.

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January 07, 2021, 08:35:12 PM
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Counting card is actually one of the oldest and easy to spot trick to beat casino, I think also that isn't so common in real life... Very important! counting card in most of cases could provide only an odds advantage and rarely can be a sure win. Casino owner know very well these type of tricks and have several "weapons" to avoid counting card
"counting card" generally only reduces the risk of losing a player (not 100% will win).  This is a strong reason why "bodyguards" are always prepared in every card game by the gambling business owner, the goal is to monitor each player whether anyone uses this trick or not.  usually, when a player is caught using this "counting card" trick, the player will be kicked out and banned from playing in that casino forever..
Counting cards may not be illegal but casinos banned those players from entering their premises again. Those were the gamblers who cheat to beat the traditional casinos but when we are talking about crypto casinos the cheating method is different and that includes multi-account user. Yet, casinos these days are strict about of making lots of account for a single user that's why there are countermeasures for that to avoid user from doing it.

the casino itself can make those countermeasures about multi-account prob, if their dev is good with their job. online casinos i believe is easier to contain than traditional casinos. but you need to employ a capable dev and know how to block potential attacks to their site. hacking will be prevented if they will allocate their funds to secure their firewall protection. and that will be the challenge, are they going to go beyond the normal security protection?

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January 07, 2021, 08:44:09 PM
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Counting card is actually one of the oldest and easy to spot trick to beat casino, I think also that isn't so common in real life... Very important! counting card in most of cases could provide only an odds advantage and rarely can be a sure win. Casino owner know very well these type of tricks and have several "weapons" to avoid counting card
"counting card" generally only reduces the risk of losing a player (not 100% will win).  This is a strong reason why "bodyguards" are always prepared in every card game by the gambling business owner, the goal is to monitor each player whether anyone uses this trick or not.  usually, when a player is caught using this "counting card" trick, the player will be kicked out and banned from playing in that casino forever..
Counting cards may not be illegal but casinos banned those players from entering their premises again. Those were the gamblers who cheat to beat the traditional casinos but when we are talking about crypto casinos the cheating method is different and that includes multi-account user. Yet, casinos these days are strict about of making lots of account for a single user that's why there are countermeasures for that to avoid user from doing it.

the casino itself can make those countermeasures about multi-account prob, if their dev is good with their job. online casinos i believe is easier to contain than traditional casinos. but you need to employ a capable dev and know how to block potential attacks to their site. hacking will be prevented if they will allocate their funds to secure their firewall protection. and that will be the challenge, are they going to go beyond the normal security protection?

When making up this kind of business then its just normal that security would really be one of the most important for an owner to focus on because
we are talking big money on here when it comes to house bankroll or capital knowing that hot and cold wallets would get involved.When you do first
launch the website then its just no brainer that it should really be finalized and it would really be bug-free so that these kind of incidents wont really happen.
For comparing the security on online and physical ones then i dont see much of difference yet they do have different genre or form but
having the same input.

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January 07, 2021, 08:53:20 PM
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Counting card is actually one of the oldest and easy to spot trick to beat casino, I think also that isn't so common in real life... Very important! counting card in most of cases could provide only an odds advantage and rarely can be a sure win. Casino owner know very well these type of tricks and have several "weapons" to avoid counting card

To be precise, it's not a trick to beat the casino (as we can't) but it's a strategy that can be an advantage against a dealer.

And I agree with you that strategy is already well-known by casino operators so their respective dealers already know how to deal with it.

Right execution is a must.

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January 07, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
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I have this certain mindset regarding people who spent an awfully huge amount of time to learn a game and get the best odds to win on it. I feel like they deserve to ein the prizes they got, regardless if the house calls it cheating or not which they will do by the way in the, best of its ability to ensure that they don't lose big amounts, so people shouldn't be kept away from their prizes, because they deserved it one way or a other
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January 07, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
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We find the gambling scenes on James Bond movies to be more interesting. Someone need to come forward and make movies of these people which will reach good and will be much interesting. We could've never thought of genius people handing together to beat casinos. Thats really a big news to know about gambling god's.

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January 07, 2021, 11:07:24 PM
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I have this certain mindset regarding people who spent an awfully huge amount of time to learn a game and get the best odds to win on it. I feel like they deserve to ein the prizes they got, regardless if the house calls it cheating or not which they will do by the way in the, best of its ability to ensure that they don't lose big amounts, so people shouldn't be kept away from their prizes, because they deserved it one way or a other

As long as they are following the regular rules of the casinos, I believe they deserve to get their price.
Whatever strategy they come up with, but not to the point of cheating, I think it is not fair for them to be just banned in the casino.
There are really individuals who can devise some methods that will help them in their winnings.
Casino should identify what rules they are violating with and what kind of cheating they are practicing with.
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January 07, 2021, 11:27:08 PM
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For what I have read it's nearly impossible to win over the casino it's either you are very very lucky or you needed to cheat in order to win. Well I've seen some successful gamblers that win a lot but most of them won through lottery and not table games or slot games.
But how about poker? this game is played in the table, I think if we search online we will see gamblers who made fortune in poker, therefore it's not almost impossible, it's just hard to win in gambling because in reality, majority of gamblers loses, which makes casinos profitable.
I agree with you Natalim, in poker if you wanted you could cheat. And probably it is the easiest one to devise a more tactful cheating strategy that might work than any other games like dice or slots. At least with poker you can bluff your way through- sometimes. You can't bluff in dice or slots...

Cheating is obviously not advised, and it is risky business as you could get banned across multiple platforms. So unless you're 99.99% sure you can get away, you shouldn't risk it.
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January 07, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
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But Most of them are cheater and did not literally beat the casino because of their skills and Knowledge in game.
 

As you said, indeed most of them are cheating by finding some loopholes in the casino system. Because nothing in this world has a perfect system
and there will always be gaps. That's what some gamblers say who have beaten casinos through cheating.

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January 07, 2021, 11:35:43 PM
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If you are going to cheat casinos make sure that you are not going to be charge or you have cheated with a huge amount of money because you will never get in any casino ever, they all going to ban you for life, you will become notorious in the eyes of bettors they will think you are wise to cheat casinos, but in the eyes pf operators you are a player that they don't want to see in their casinos.

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January 08, 2021, 12:03:30 AM
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I don't consider winning a jackpot as you now beat a casino.

Winning a jackpot is a lucky one for you and the casino knows there will be a time that someone will manage to achieve it despite their edges and advantages.

Unfortunately, these people on the OP's list are fraud and greedy so while they were able to take lots of money in the casino, there are risks that followed it. They beat the casino as OP mentioned but not a wonderful winning as they didn't enjoy the freedom after winning.
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I don't consider winning a jackpot as you now beat a casino.

Winning a jackpot is a lucky one for you and the casino knows there will be a time that someone will manage to achieve it despite their edges and advantages.

Unfortunately, these people on the OP's list are fraud and greedy so while they were able to take lots of money in the casino, there are risks that followed it. They beat the casino as OP mentioned but not a wonderful winning as they didn't enjoy the freedom after winning.

I think I agree with you because winning a jackpot is only work for one or two people in one casino while the other gamblers will lose their money in all gambling games on that casino. In the end, the casino will win all the money, and even if someone won the jackpot, the casino still takes the biggest money from the gamblers. If the casino losses the money on that day, the casino can take the other profit on the other day, because the winner will not always come every day.

From that story, I think I dream to be a winner on winning a jackpot Grin

I want to feel how it looks like winning huge money and withdraw it into my wallet.
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January 08, 2021, 02:33:10 AM
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I don't consider winning a jackpot as you now beat a casino.

Winning a jackpot is a lucky one for you and the casino knows there will be a time that someone will manage to achieve it despite their edges and advantages.

Unfortunately, these people on the OP's list are fraud and greedy so while they were able to take lots of money in the casino, there are risks that followed it. They beat the casino as OP mentioned but not a wonderful winning as they didn't enjoy the freedom after winning.
It comes into the mind of the gamblers that cheating is the only tool to make us win in gambling. And that also to think that gambling sites and casinos are cheating the same to the players;D. lol

I have sometimes won in gambling but of a sweet winning because I was not in a way fo cheating. You are right, can't be more than happy if you win because you dare to cheat them and in the future, you'll be found guilty and get ashamed, not being proud of ourself?
I don't think such a thing and I just wanted casinos to also will be fair for their players as well.

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January 08, 2021, 02:33:21 PM
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I don't consider winning a jackpot as you now beat a casino.

Winning a jackpot is a lucky one for you and the casino knows there will be a time that someone will manage to achieve it despite their edges and advantages.

Unfortunately, these people on the OP's list are fraud and greedy so while they were able to take lots of money in the casino, there are risks that followed it. They beat the casino as OP mentioned but not a wonderful winning as they didn't enjoy the freedom after winning.
It comes into the mind of the gamblers that cheating is the only tool to make us win in gambling. And that also to think that gambling sites and casinos are cheating the same to the players;D. lol

I have sometimes won in gambling but of a sweet winning because I was not in a way fo cheating. You are right, can't be more than happy if you win because you dare to cheat them and in the future, you'll be found guilty and get ashamed, not being proud of ourself?
I don't think such a thing and I just wanted casinos to also will be fair for their players as well.

Not applicable to all players, I guess. Some players are just into winnings disregarding 'true gambling experience'. No matter what method they used, they will just eye on winning every game but we cannot blame them. Money is power and that's what we are fighting for in gambling. At first guilt will cross to your mind if you encountered an easier way to win especially if it is illegal, but the more you experience winning through such method, guilt will eventually fade and be more likely replaced by greed. But who's to blame? Players who do cheat or gambling sites having odds? I'd say platform is also at fault for not being able to determine the 'dirty' way in their platform and players just take advantage of such 'bug'. Indeed a great idea for players and platforms to be fair at the same time.

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January 08, 2021, 07:34:23 PM
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Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.
No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.

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January 08, 2021, 09:47:39 PM
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Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.
No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.
For sure those kind of people do exist when they do won big in a casino in a legal or non cheating way but of course it would really be needed some skills and extreme luck.
If you do talk about strategic games inside like poker then this one will really be depending on players or gamblers capability. Manage to beat up a casino in a cheating way?
This one isnt a considerable act or achievement. For those who got caught then its just right for them to face up consequences.No business owner would really
let this thing pass without any of those people would be put up in jail.

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January 08, 2021, 10:10:08 PM
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Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.
No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.
Just gamble legitimately and don't try to think about cheating if you are an honest gambler.
The only way that you will I guess think to cheat is because of chasing your losses, the reason for recovering losses and find many ways just to take advantage of the gambling site. For example, using an automated tool, may not directly as a cheat but once you taking advantage of the gambling sites that are considered as cheating. The gambler that said to OP is very genius.

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January 08, 2021, 11:06:28 PM
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No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.

Those who tried to cheat the casinos have the mindset that the casinos are also cheating on them that is why they resort to using cheating, but the casinos are good at catching cheaters, casinos employ CCTV, and they have trained employers to look for players who they think will cheat the system, they know that they will always cheaters and they can lose a lot from these cheaters.

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January 08, 2021, 11:25:24 PM
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We have one in this forum.
This guy seems always win since every day I receive his bragging messages.
I tried to follow his path but got beaten to a pulp by the casino.
You've made it a fun post or it is true. Those mentioned people and the teams had a big preperation to win against the casino using various tactics. Maybe we weren't able to do it, but when we try to follow the same pattern of gambling as them why can't we make the same win. This means beyond tricks there is also need of luck factor.
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