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March 01, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
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Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.

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March 01, 2021, 03:24:15 PM
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In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I guess by abolishing corruption in sports they mean to end the violation of good laid down rules or create new ones to help keep sports safe, fair, healthy etc. Bribery is actually part of corruption that can prevent the development of sports in the right direction.

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March 01, 2021, 06:42:40 PM
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Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
In my view it is a big problem, because certain games will be watched as a nation. This means the entire nation watch the match, for example I'll try to putforth with cricket match between India and Pakistan. The whole world will watch it, so when something is corrupt and a team wins instead of the other it hurts the entire nation's feeling. So, corruption need to be abolished from sports.

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March 01, 2021, 07:42:46 PM
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Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
Even with the lightest issue then it is just right to be tackled on because it do connects out with some issues of corruption and bribe then that what really counts.
I agree into those words above about sugar-coated promises made by those politicians on election times where people do really ending up on choosing the wrong ones.
Well, there's no perfect government though and tackling out these kind of issues are just pretty normal and in talks about corruptions then it
always been part of the system that should really be resolved it out but as long there are people whom are beyond the curtains then it not possible to get rid of it.

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March 01, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
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In a country like India which has a 1.3 billion population, corruption in sports like cricket has risen to extremes. Here almost 20-50 million Indians play cricket where atleast 10-20 million play cricket professionally. To succeed in the game of cricket in India and if you are hailing from a popular city you need to bribe tremendously to play the matches and prove yourself that you are worthy enough to succeed. But once you get into the national level, you get paid a huge sum of money per match which would be equivalent to the life saving of a normal middle class employee.

In the end, the money you spent bribing individuals would get back to you if you prove what you are capable of by entering the nationals. Gambling is another form where you get paid to lose a match and many have done that globally. Some prominent players would be caught for the act while others never. Here for each ad, cricketers get paid millions which could feed atleast 500 families per month. The country along with it's citizens are doomed and there aren't really any ways to move forward!
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March 01, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
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I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way

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March 01, 2021, 10:08:40 PM
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In a country like India which has a 1.3 billion population, corruption in sports like cricket has risen to extremes. Here almost 20-50 million Indians play cricket where atleast 10-20 million play cricket professionally.
Are you telling that India had 20 million professional cricket players till now or there are 20 million players playing matches and if that the latter is true it is a huge number of players and do you have the infrastructure to allocate these players as county matches will not accumulate millions of players and how many county teams are there in India. My guess is that you have the numbers wrong, i know the population i huge but to have 20 million professional players is a huge number.
 
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March 01, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
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Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol

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Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
It is not always like that but the rigged matches have been sold to some mafia groups before the price has been settled. The passion and other sports-related stuff is second-degree for these guys, unfortunately.

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March 01, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
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Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
I guess it's not happening, there's no way the whole team will rig the game for them, that's a complete crime and they know the consequences of that action. It's betraying the fans and the entire sports will be affected if it will be discovered which sure has a high chance since it's the whole team and one could leak that information. AFAIK, in a team, there's only one player who like the rig a game, or in most cases its the official that do the rigging like in basketball the referees can do it.

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March 01, 2021, 10:53:50 PM
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Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol
I understand, I respect your opinion @harizen and I agree with you, professional players have worked hard to get where they are.

I may have expressed myself badly, but it is some players / teams that are willing to do that.

For example, in a soccer game, national championship, last round, if the team that is in 2nd place wins or draws the game it becomes 1st place and wins the championship.
If, for example, this team that is in 2nd place plays against a team that is in the last places, and that team has few resources / money, you think that if the team that is in 2nd offers a certain amount of money to buy the game, this team that is in the last positions will not sell? Basically he has nothing to lose.

But of course this is just an example, and things like that can happen in any game in any sport.

Well, in politics my country is a lost case, literally lol

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March 01, 2021, 11:15:50 PM
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Now more and more people are greedy, therefore corruption occurs everywhere, in almost all countries. And corruptors are very detrimental
to many people, many people even think that corruptors are more dangerous than murderers. Because one country becomes the victim of
a corruptor, therefore several countries are very serious about dealing with this problem of corruption. There are even some countries that
provide death sentences  for corruptors. Same thing with corruption in the world of sports, mostly because sports gambling is very profitable.
Therefore, there are often match-fixing done by some influential people in the world of sports. Indeed, initially corruption occurs because humans
cannot control their greed, so only think about your own interests, without looking at the interests of others. Let's all say no to corruption.

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March 01, 2021, 11:41:02 PM
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Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
I guess it's not happening, there's no way the whole team will rig the game for them, that's a complete crime and they know the consequences of that action. It's betraying the fans and the entire sports will be affected if it will be discovered which sure has a high chance since it's the whole team and one could leak that information. AFAIK, in a team, there's only one player who like the rig a game, or in most cases its the official that do the rigging like in basketball the referees can do it.

Yeah right, there are players who can deal with that and officials who are controlling the game, but in the case of entire teams it's going to be a  big problem, fans dissapointment will rig everything, and if ever that the management unaware with this and learn about the issue for sure the consequences is reallt big,

There are still players who will not do this stuff, they are true to what they've love, it's tough to generalized but for
sure there are players nd officiating individuals that working behind this kind of business.

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March 01, 2021, 11:59:17 PM
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I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way
The reality that we should really need get to used to because this is how thing works on this world and everything cant really be perfect.This is a global problem

because people do always love on earning money in all means even its including on risking up their own reputation.It doesn't matter if it hurts their reputation,

they do always focus on how to make money and how it would benefit them without minding on what would be the effects or consequences once get caught.

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March 02, 2021, 12:25:33 AM
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This question isn't really too hard to answer. As you have said it, greed makes these people go around and do nefarious stuff with their associated craft, and it's no surprise that some athletes/players do this especially since there's too much money to be had outside of what they are already earning, e.g. match fixing and the likes. Some do it because they really need the money and what they're getting from simply playing isn't enough. They're human, there's no need to further explain or try to give some meaning over their actions.

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FC Barcelona: Police Raid Stadium In Financial Crimes Investigation
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Serbia 'Dismantles' Soccer-Hooligan Crime Gang
Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-dismantles-soccer-hooligan-crime-gang/31086589.html

This is one of the articles I found in English! The story is much more complicated, this guy (Velja Nevolja - Velja (name) Trouble (nickname)) is accused of killing 15 people, mostly hooligans and Red Star or Partizan supporters! He had a sniper rifle and other firearms hidden in the official club offices... and of course some drugs!
High-ranked officials from both clubs are being accused of having connections with this group!

In my country, there is no sport I think! Maybe until the age of 12-14... there's not a lot of money in that, but over that everything is just money! Managers taking players under their own, and they take them in EU, US, Emirates, or anywhere where is money to work for them! Without them you can't do anything, with them on your back it's like you are a slave! That will never end!

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March 02, 2021, 10:24:46 AM
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Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol


I think players could bribe their way up if you don't have a fraud-proof selection process that  is Merit-based. And I think bribery by players will reduce alot if a league (for example) is very competitive, has good incentives, is not rigged, has the right/sufficient rules and the rules are always followed/enforced . That will likely encourage the clubs/teams to go for the most qualified players because they will want to do well and be rewarded
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March 02, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
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Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
I do not think that is a national issue as that only comes from some people who are not candidates, but they want to know the other people business. They lift that problem to the public just pretending they care about what happens to their people. But after they elect as one man who has power, they forgot that promises and left them behind them without trying to solve that problem. We saw that case, and that is not new to us. The big problem now that needs to fix is how they can survive this pandemic and make sure that their people can get the vaccine.

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March 02, 2021, 12:45:37 PM
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Corruptions are everywhere, even the well known sports have this kind of issues and some of them was exposed publicly.

Sports are compose of human, and human tends to become more greed and only few succeed to control it. On the other hand, politicians are making moves to control sports and creat projects that didn’t exist at all, this is very popular in my country.  Grin
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In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.

Most of the players cant do a thing about if they dont participate in this kind of match they can be either benched or fired,but no one wants to do this because of their sports jobs. Some players even get paid to fix this kind of games so thats a bonus for them. This problem cant just go away like that.

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