Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Fredomago]

Reports are surfacing that Errol Spence vs Sebastian Fundora is cancelled, or it will be rescheduled or a later date, depends on the source. But the reason given is that Errol Spence is not  fit to fight? Not sure what does it mean though, but it seems that Errol is not ready or at least mentally he is not yet over with the lost against Crawford? That is a bad sign if he says that he is a true champion.

But in any case, we do hope that Spence can fulfill his fight against Fundora. Sebastian give us a good fight against Tim Tszyu and it's right that he got the chance to fight the best at 154 lbs, either Spence or Crawford or any of the champions.

Not good for him if the reason is his mental preparedness, I guess if he wants to regain that statue after that loss against Crawford then he needs to start working out and fight whoever that can gain him another chance to bring his name up, I do hope that the fight will be schedule and give him that time to start working with both mental and physical so he can be fit when the time come.

Let see what will be the update about this news and see if Spence will take this as challenge he's still young and can still make money out from this sport.

Some boxers cannot really come back after a painful defeat, and it's especially tough for him as he was once undefeated but lost to a champion in a unification match. I think the same thing happened to Keith Thurman, as his career after losing to Pacquiao wasn't the same anymore, and he hasn't fought for over two years already. For Spence, I hope he can still come back, as this is a good chance for him to redeem himself. It's a championship fight, so he should grab it.

Yeah I remember that time when Thurman is really bringing his name on top, if so happened that he manage to beat Pacquiao it's a surely spike of his career, unfortunately things did not went well he almost but Pacquaio manage to earn that early points and keep that favor, just like what you said, it was really a mental lapses in the side of Thurman taking a long break and now that he's back that old fame is no longer available, there are many fighters who's establishing their names, hopefully Spence will realize that.

He needs to move forward and try harder to work back, he's still young and can still manage to win against those known fighters, then if possible call for a rematch and re-try his chance to earn back his titles.

[Kemarit]

We haven't discussed this fight, Joyce vs Chisora in the HW,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNLFlYfW4w

But it was a slugfest, both bringing their A game, but Chisora outlasted Joyce and beat in by unanimous decision, Chisora won by 97-92 and two cards of 96-94. Both are exhausted at the end of the fight as they gave their everything here.

Joyce though is very slow, and sometimes he is just touch Chisora, while Derek was all power with that hook. As he put him down in round 9.

[bbc.reporter]

@Kemarit. Did you know that in recent interviews, Pacman has mentioned that his most greatest regret in his career was that he agreed to fight Floyd Mayweather with an injury? He said that if he can back to the past, he will listen to Freddie Roach and postpone the event.

It appears that the boxing fans would have a much better show if Pacman did not fight with an injured shoulder. In any case, Floyd might be undefeated, however, the many challenges and victories were on Pacman.

[Baofeng]

@Kemarit. Did you know that in recent interviews, Pacman has mentioned that his most greatest regret in his career was that he agreed to fight Floyd Mayweather with an injury? He said that if he can back to the past, he will listen to Freddie Roach and postpone the event.

It appears that the boxing fans would have a much better show if Pacman did not fight with an injured shoulder. In any case, Floyd might be undefeated, however, the many challenges and victories were on Pacman.

Most likely he doesn't want to postpone the fight and delayed it again as obviously it might take months for his shoulder to heal. Same with Loma when he fought Teo Lopez and lost and we wonder why Loma didn't start the fight as he used to be and he just go in the second half of the fight and by that time, Lopez has build enough lead.

So I guess there are boxers with that kind of mentality, will go and ignore the pain and injuries so that the fight will happen on schedule and they doesn't want themselves to be blame for the fight being delayed because of their injuries. But it already happen and so we can't take back the hands of clock. But if we look at the career of Pacquaio and Mayweather, there are still arguments that Pacquiao towers over Floyd even if Mayweather is undefeated.

[bbc.reporter]

@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That fight in my opinion should have happened much earlier, Pacman was already a damage good already, he had many lost and probably his shoulder injury have been the result of wear and tear already. So even if it healed or he didn't suffer any, and even if we see the full power of Pacman, I don't think it will enough to pull an upset.

Floyd Mayweather is one of the most defensive fighter we have seen in the last century so even a not hurt Pacman, 100% could do damage Floyd. And the closest that we can see them fight again is in exhibition. However, Pacman doesn't look good against Anpo last night, and so Floyd is going to win in the exhibition match, I reckon.

[Dave1]

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That is subjective though, we really don't know if Pacman can beat Floyd even if he is 100%. Many of us will think that he can, hand speed and power and the volume. But we have seen in the fight that Floyd is not damage although Pacman had some rounds that he won and he clip Floyd.

So it's very hard to answer, maybe if we see a version of Pacman like in the Cotto fight against the defensive version of Floyd? Who knows. It's just very unfortunate that after the fight, it's only the Pacman reveals that he has a injured shoulder.

[bbc.reporter]

@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That fight in my opinion should have happened much earlier, Pacman was already a damage good already, he had many lost and probably his shoulder injury have been the result of wear and tear already. So even if it healed or he didn't suffer any, and even if we see the full power of Pacman, I don't think it will enough to pull an upset.

Floyd Mayweather is one of the most defensive fighter we have seen in the last century so even a not hurt Pacman, 100% could do damage Floyd. And the closest that we can see them fight again is in exhibition. However, Pacman doesn't look good against Anpo last night, and so Floyd is going to win in the exhibition match, I reckon.

Agreed that the fight should have happened earlier. However, I very much argue that Pacman would certainly have a better performance against Floydy if Pacman has given his body to rest and let the doctors fix his injury. We have witnessed this already on Pacman's fight against Keith Thurman. Everyone speculated that Pacman has left the ring very long, however, this long absence also gave his old body much rest.

[Hirose UK]

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Speaking of Nakatani, Top Rank announces co-promotional deal with WBC champ Junto Nakatani. So it looks like he is following Inoue's path here, to work with Top Rank and then maybe he will get what he wishes for. Fight Naoya Inoue or if he is not yet available, maybe a unification fight with Takuma Inoue. So this is a good move by him and his handler to be able to have co-promotional deal with Bob Arum. And who knows, maybe he can travel to the USA and show his talent there instead of just fighting inside Japan. The Japanese is clearly dominating the lower division now, but it will be really interested for boxing fans if they are going to USA to defend their belts.

What is clear is that his age is still very supportive for his career as great boxer, if there is determination and goal to achieve greater achievements then it can be done in the next few years, it just not yet clear what Nakatani will do next.
If from now on he starts to increase his weight and really trains hard then in the next two or three years Nakatani can be ready enough to face the monster, but that if Inoue doesn't go to higher class because we all know that Inoue definitely do it.
Yes Takuma Inoue could be the next close opponent, we see what he does next but it very good choice to start more brilliant career for Nakatani.
As predicted by Bob Arum, if Nakatani is Inoue successor in the future, his potential is really visible and he has very good opportunity, I sure that Bob Arum will bring Nakatani to reach the peak of his glory days.

[Jating]

@Baofeng. However, it would have been more preferable for the fans if we have witnessed the full power of Pacman against the full power of Floyd Mayweather hehe. Witnessing the full power of Floyd Mayweather against Pacman who was injured is something similar the scammer Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia and the rehydration clause. Also, Pacman admitted it, he should have postponed the fight to get a recovery.

In any case, you are correct. It is in the past but if Pacman was 100% for the fight, do you think can win against Floyd?

That fight in my opinion should have happened much earlier, Pacman was already a damage good already, he had many lost and probably his shoulder injury have been the result of wear and tear already. So even if it healed or he didn't suffer any, and even if we see the full power of Pacman, I don't think it will enough to pull an upset.

Floyd Mayweather is one of the most defensive fighter we have seen in the last century so even a not hurt Pacman, 100% could do damage Floyd. And the closest that we can see them fight again is in exhibition. However, Pacman doesn't look good against Anpo last night, and so Floyd is going to win in the exhibition match, I reckon.

Agreed that the fight should have happened earlier. However, I very much argue that Pacman would certainly have a better performance against Floydy if Pacman has given his body to rest and let the doctors fix his injury. We have witnessed this already on Pacman's fight against Keith Thurman. Everyone speculated that Pacman has left the ring very long, however, this long absence also gave his old body much rest.

Yeah, this is just one of the "what if" in boxing, a healthy and 100% Pacquiao against a prime version of Floyd Mayweather, didn't happen as Pacquiao had a serious shoulder injury that he didn't disclosed maybe to some close individuals and advise him to take a rest or go seek medical attention before going for the fight of the century. So he will really regret and as fans we really don't know if he can beat Floyd with his power.

Not only Nakatani did sign with Top Rank, but there is also Jaime Munguia after being promoted by many years by Oscar, also move to Bob Arum and he will be fighting Erik Bazinyan on Sept. 20 in the Phoenix area. So that is a change for Munguia now, and perhaps after this one, it will be Berlanga vs Munguia. Berlanga though has a scheduled fight with Canelo first so maybe at the start of next year, we might see this two going up against each other.

[bbc.reporter]

@Jating. I am quite certain that Freddie Roach and Pacman's most trusted team members have known of this injury on his shoulder. I am also quite certain Freddie Roach has given him the advice to postpone the fight. However this Mayweather, who is very much similar to the scammer Tank, they can use tactics to trick Pacman that the fight might not be organized anymore if this is postponed again. I reckon there was 2 postponements the have occurred already before Pacman agreed to fight with an injury. Floyd knew it was his chance to win against a legend very easily.

[Jating]

@Jating. I am quite certain that Freddie Roach and Pacman's most trusted team members have known of this injury on his shoulder. I am also quite certain Freddie Roach has given him the advice to postpone the fight. However this Mayweather, who is very much similar to the scammer Tank, they can use tactics to trick Pacman that the fight might not be organized anymore if this is postponed again. I reckon there was 2 postponements the have occurred already before Pacman agreed to fight with an injury. Floyd knew it was his chance to win against a legend very easily.

For sure, they have known the extend of Pacquiao's injury, but it was only Manny that can decide whether to continue the fight or not. And so his decision is to go and not to postponed the fight for another months. It could be that Floyd trick him, but in any case, the decision is totally on Manny to go on with that fight and probably he thinks that he can still win.

In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

[Kemarit]

^^ Any of the top 3 can be interchangeable, in my opinion, Inoue becoming a 2 time undisputed champion and so is Crawford. And then Usyk becoming the undisputed champion in HW. Crawford has a upcoming fight at 154 lbs so he might be go up as high as number 1 if he knockout Madrimov in his new division.

Not sure about Haney getting into the top 10, he just lost to Ryan Garcia isn't it? Although Ryan has been allege to have used PEDS, but still he was completely outclassed and dominated by Ryan. I'm still thinking though who could have been in 10th spot. Shakur? but he is boring, but so is Haney as well. And so it just shows that this pound for pound ranking is full of s**t.

[bbc.reporter]

@Kemarit. Agreed! My list would be Usyk, Crawford then Inoue on the 3rd slot. However, Inoue has a very good chance to become no.1 within 4 years if he chooses the correct opponents. He cannot do this by choosing opponents similar to TJ Doheny hehehe.

On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.

[bisdak40]

In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

I don't agree to Haney being in there, if only he handles well on his defeat to Ryan Garcia, maybe there is a chance that i would agree that he could be in the top 10. Crying as if somebody took his candy makes Devin Haney looks amateur. I don't if could come back in the ring sooner but one thing is for sure, he will not be same before he fought Ryan Garcia.

[FinneysTrueVision]

In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

[Dave1]

In other news, here are the Ring Magazine's pound for pound list:

1️⃣🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk
2️⃣🇯🇵 Naoya Inoue
3️⃣🇺🇸 Terence Crawford
4️⃣🇲🇽 Canelo Alvarez
5️⃣🇺🇸 Jesse 'Bam' Rodriguez
6️⃣🇷🇺 Artur Beterbiev
7️⃣🇷🇺 Dmitry Bivol
8️⃣🇺🇸 Gervonta Davis
9️⃣🇯🇵 Junto Nakatani
🔟🇺🇸 Devin Haney

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1818487108061085860

Do you agree on the list? Spence was out, then Haney getting in the list as rank 10th.

Jesse Bam Rodriguez has already surpassed Tank Davis at only 24 years old. It is very impressive what he has accomplished in his young career. Canelo still being in the top 5 is a bit generous. Canelo peaked when he became undisputed champion against Plant in 2021. Since then, it’s been a loss to Bivol and cherry picked opponents like Ryder, Charlo and a very old GGG. He gets credit for his accomplishments in the past, but he cannot live off that forever. I consider Bivol and Beterbiev to be better fighters at this moment but due to inactivity we have not seen their full potential.

I guess they still given preferential treatment to Canelo as this point in time. He had decline already and as you have said, cherry picking his fight after his lost to Bivol.  I like Bam Rodriguez and it seems to be that his could be the one to break the monopoly of Japanese fighters in the lower rank right now.

As for Haney, yes, he could not be in the top 10. But it seems that we have the weakest of the champions right now, they don't even include 140 lbs like Teo Lopez or even Pitbull Cruz to represent that weight class.

[Jating]

On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.

I'm not sure what the legal team of Dana will do though if they are the one who handle the case of Ryan Garcia. We don't know that names of them, but perhaps they have a lot of experience with this and representing UFC fighters caught with illegal substance in their body.

I don't agree to Haney being in there, if only he handles well on his defeat to Ryan Garcia, maybe there is a chance that i would agree that he could be in the top 10. Crying as if somebody took his candy makes Devin Haney looks amateur. I don't if could come back in the ring sooner but one thing is for sure, he will not be same before he fought Ryan Garcia.

Same here, I don't think he deserves to be in this list. But I guess there are no other boxers right now that might take his spot. I was even surprised to see Nakatani on the strength of his win against Astrolabio with a one punch body punch and in just one round. But for the best 3 pound for pound right now, there is no question about it. They are all undisputed and hasn't lost any in their fights.

[Kemarit]

@Kemarit. Agreed! My list would be Usyk, Crawford then Inoue on the 3rd slot. However, Inoue has a very good chance to become no.1 within 4 years if he chooses the correct opponents. He cannot do this by choosing opponents similar to TJ Doheny hehehe.

On Haney's loss to King Ry, officially this has become a no contest because of King Ry's alleged use of ostarine. According to uncle Dana of the UFC, Ryan will not be found guilty if it was his legal team that represented Ryan. In the interview, uncle Dana was very much certain it was from contaminated supplements.

Inoue has a clear path to become number 1, he had clean up the bantam and super bantamweight already. And if goes up to featherweight and win undisputed that will be the first time that we will see a fighter in modern belt era to do that.

Crawford though will be ahead of him again at he will go and fight Madrimov and chances are very high that he will win a new belt at a new division. But going undisputed? I don't think that Crawford has enough time though, he might be looking for many fights after his win against Madrimov and no longer looking for just belts as his legacy is already cemented.

[Sg4j1n3ll0]

I don't know if it has much to do with the topic of boxing but it's more Olympic but I find what happened with the Algerian athlete really in bad taste and I think that my bet fell through precisely because she didn't want to fight, I don't know if I The choice of retiring seems very right