Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[inthelongrun]

Inoue isn't that much of a talkative guy so a lot of the media are trying to reach out to his Japanese promoter Hideyuki Ohashi. So the plan is for the undisputed champion to defend all the belts 3-times in 2024. Bigger venues like the Tokyo Dome that could seat 40,000 fans are considered. Las Vegas and Saudi Arabia are also mentioned.

The first title defense is targeted against former 2-division world champion Luis Nery of Mexico. Nery is banned in Japan so it's most likely happening in the US unless the Saudis can offer bigger.

The second title defense will be against former unified champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev who lost a highly disputed decision to Marlon Tapales. Akhmadaliev also won the WBA eliminator in his last fight which means Inoue has to fight him or get stripped of his WBA belt.

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

[yazher]

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

This is the wishlist of most fans right now because all of a sudden they give him another chance but this will not be possible unless Casimero shows some good fights that could make his chance to fight Inoue increase drastically because of that and he needs to be back as the brawler who easily knocks out his opponent and not to be like his last fight where he always ends it controversially or in a draw. That won't attract any promoters to give him a chance because other boxers have more chances to bring huge money for them and it would be another heartbreak for Casimero because he is getting older and the dream fight is still not approved.

[Jating]

Inoue isn't that much of a talkative guy so a lot of the media are trying to reach out to his Japanese promoter Hideyuki Ohashi. So the plan is for the undisputed champion to defend all the belts 3-times in 2024. Bigger venues like the Tokyo Dome that could seat 40,000 fans are considered. Las Vegas and Saudi Arabia are also mentioned.

The first title defense is targeted against former 2-division world champion Luis Nery of Mexico. Nery is banned in Japan so it's most likely happening in the US unless the Saudis can offer bigger.

The second title defense will be against former unified champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev who lost a highly disputed decision to Marlon Tapales. Akhmadaliev also won the WBA eliminator in his last fight which means Inoue has to fight him or get stripped of his WBA belt.

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

I think this is going to be a dream for boxing fans to see Inoue against this 3 boxers. And as fans, we have mentioned already that this is the only fight that make sense for Inoue, to stay at 122 lbs and fought those names and somewhat clean up the division before moving up.

There have been a lot of talks of him and Nery fighting. And then Akhmadaliev winning a week ago makes him another candidate or mandatory for Inoue's belt.

And then the trash talking another Filipino in Casimero, they already have supposedly scheduled fight, Casimero just needed to defend his belt against Butler. But the rest is history. However, as you have said, this two are destined to face each here at 122 lbs.

[Hypnosis00]

There have been a lot of talks of him and Nery fighting. And then Akhmadaliev winning a week ago makes him another candidate or mandatory for Inoue's belt.

Inoue could fight these two but he can never skip Casimero.

It's okay if he'll fight Casimero last, as long as the fight will happen. He was interviewed, and it came from his mouth that he is interested with Casimero also, aside from the two boxers that was mentioned.

And then the trash talking another Filipino in Casimero, they already have supposedly scheduled fight, Casimero just needed to defend his belt against Butler. But the rest is history. However, as you have said, this two are destined to face each here at 122 lbs.

Forget about his trash talking, there's nothing to be serious with that, it's his brand in boxing and he just have to live with that. I don't like to hear from Casimero that he don't want to fight Casimero because he is disrespectful, or talk trash a lot because that's certainly just an excuse.

All the boxers that Inoue had defeated is not on Casimero's level because the opponents of Casimero that he beat are very quality fighters.

[electronicash]

if they really see Casimero going to beat Inoue, they wouldn't want to ruin the party yet. they are making money with Inoue. they know whoever fights against Inoue will lose and Arum and friends will generate money from his fights.

if they kill Inoue's career by making him fight Casimero. cash cow will be dead. they might not want that to happen for now and they will probably wait til Casimero is beaten by father time with a huge bod.

[Baofeng]

Since we are almost at the end of the year, who do you think should be the Boxer of the year?

Here are the list of candidates:

1. Terrence Crawford - beat Spence, another pound for pound boxer, and then captured and unified all the belts at 147 lbs?

2. Devin Haney - undisputed at 130 lbs beat Loma, move up in weight and then dominated Prograis to win the WBC belt?

3. Naoya Inoue - move up in weight, challenge the best champion at 122 lbs in Stephen Fulton, then unified the belt against Marlon Tapales, second man to do so, unifying belts in 4 belt era in 2 different weight classes, second only to Crawford.

[Kemarit]

Since we are almost at the end of the year, who do you think should be the Boxer of the year?

Here are the list of candidates:

1. Terrence Crawford - beat Spence, another pound for pound boxer, and then captured and unified all the belts at 147 lbs?

2. Devin Haney - undisputed at 130 lbs beat Loma, move up in weight and then dominated Prograis to win the WBC belt?

3. Naoya Inoue - move up in weight, challenge the best champion at 122 lbs in Stephen Fulton, then unified the belt against Marlon Tapales, second man to do so, unifying belts in 4 belt era in 2 different weight classes, second only to Crawford.

If I have to vote, then I will go with Crawford as fighter of the year, the way he dominated a great fighter in Spence, with 0 losses in his record and everyone thinks that this is a close fight. But then Crawford took everything from Spence that night and then he captures his 2nd unification belt in 2 weight class and put his name on the record and cemented his legacy? For me he is the BOTY.

For Haney, his win against Loma is questionable and although he won another belt in 140 lbs, Prograis is not that high level boxer to be honest. His previous win against Danielito Zorrilla shows sign that Prograis is slowin down already and the Haney's know this.

For Inoue, he beat Fulton, but it is expected, same with his conquest of Tapales, odds is like 1.07 so again he what we call outstanding favorite to win that fight.

So Crawford, Inoue and Haney in that order for me.

[jossiel]

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well.

But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.

Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?

[Japinat]

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well.

But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.

Most likely Inoue will win but I don't see the fight to be an easy win by Inoue. Of all the boxers that Inoue beat, I believe Casimero is different. There's a chance that he could hurt Inoue since he is also a heavy puncher, and not only that, he is not afraid to go toe to toe, that's Casimero, he is a road warrior, so venue is not a big deal for him.

Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?

Yes, Emanuel Navarrete fought 3 times this year.
You can look https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/602423

[YuginKadoya]

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Boxing politics often deprives us of seeing great matchups but if these Saudi events have shown us anything it's that promoters are capable of putting their differences aside. Bivol and Beterbiev are not very popular fighters. Maybe it's because of their nationality or because of their personality but they just don't sell. This has made it hard for them to reach an agreement because promoters don't want to lose money. It might come down to whether the Saudis or another rich Middle Eastern country is willing to bankroll this fight. I think this would be the prefect co-main event for something like Joshua vs Ngannou in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

For sure those Saudi Arabian wants a decent fight to behold but as you have said they don't know maybe Dmitry Bivol or maybe Artur Beterbiev will be sure if they can make a great boxing event these two are a real deal and could potentially make a decent amount of profit when done perfectly as for sure there are promoters that will surely pay for a decent boxing fight but for sure both their promoters will surely request something that the other will not like so that is the hard part for the Dmitry Bivol VS Artur Beterbiev fight to attain, it got plenty of requests and in the end both parties will just not agree but imagine the possibilities,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0IpVRHZmw

Actually, this video was a month ago and I have just recently seen it today, for sure we all know that Tyson Fury just recently had a bout against Francis Ngannou and was kind of shocked by what Ngannou can do to him, in actuality I think Tyson Fury did underestimate Francis Ngannou and what he can do with boxing gloves and from that day on, Francis Ngannou has proven that an MMA fighter can surely get it done with a boxer in a boxing ring, but for sure this is in the Heavyweight division what if it is on the fast pace division but Conor McGregor can not do it, while this is the first time an MMA fighter proves everyone wrong, well February 17, 2024, will be the date for Tyson Fury VS Oleksandr Usyk fight I don't know if that was move or this is indeed the date because of the Press Conference video,

[FinneysTrueVision]

All the boxers that Inoue had defeated is not on Casimero's level because the opponents of Casimero that he beat are very quality fighters.

I'm not sure if even Casimero believes this. Fulton held two world titles when Inoue beat him as did Marlon Tapales. I don't see how Casimero can be above them when he holds zero world championships and didn't look great in his previous fight against an unranked opponent. At this stage in his career the only motivation for still chasing an Inoue fight is the possibility of a seven figure payday. If we're being realistic, his chances of beating Inoue are really slim.

Since we are almost at the end of the year, who do you think should be the Boxer of the year?

Here are the list of candidates:

1. Terrence Crawford - beat Spence, another pound for pound boxer, and then captured and unified all the belts at 147 lbs?

2. Devin Haney - undisputed at 130 lbs beat Loma, move up in weight and then dominated Prograis to win the WBC belt?

3. Naoya Inoue - move up in weight, challenge the best champion at 122 lbs in Stephen Fulton, then unified the belt against Marlon Tapales, second man to do so, unifying belts in 4 belt era in 2 different weight classes, second only to Crawford.

Devin Haney is a distant 3rd for me. His win against Loma wasn't convincing. It's a tossup between Inoue and Crawford. Inoue was more active and won all 4 belts in a year. Although I consider Spence a manufactured champion who was protected from Crawford for many years, due to PBC's influence with the sanctioning bodies, he was still highly regarded. Crawford beating him so brutally gives him a slight edge over Inoue in my opinion.

[Fredomago]

The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.

There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well.

But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.

Most likely Inoue will win but I don't see the fight to be an easy win by Inoue. Of all the boxers that Inoue beat, I believe Casimero is different. There's a chance that he could hurt Inoue since he is also a heavy puncher, and not only that, he is not afraid to go toe to toe, that's Casimero, he is a road warrior, so venue is not a big deal for him.

Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.

Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?

Yes, Emanuel Navarrete fought 3 times this year.
You can look https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/602423

Thanks for the headsup, I also don't have that idea that a fighter can deal with his training but you bring this up.

[Botnake]

Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.

Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.

And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.

Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)

[Kemarit]

There was a New Year fight in Japan,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU

It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.

So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.

[YuginKadoya]

I'm not sure if even Casimero believes this. Fulton held two world titles when Inoue beat him as did Marlon Tapales. I don't see how Casimero can be above them when he holds zero world championships and didn't look great in his previous fight against an unranked opponent. At this stage in his career the only motivation for still chasing an Inoue fight is the possibility of a seven figure payday. If we're being realistic, his chances of beating Inoue are really slim.

Well, even though I am Filipino and want John Riel Casimero to win against Naoya Inoue, I agree with you my doubt just increased after I saw his fight with Naoya Inoue's training partner that was the time when I thought John Riel Casimero was just bluffing in saying he can take on Naoya Inoue or maybe he is also bluffing that he can not handle the Sparring Partner of Naoya Inoue but for sure If he does that Naoya Inoue would never want to fight him because he doesn't have a belt that a Naoya Inoue would want,

Devin Haney is a distant 3rd for me. His win against Loma wasn't convincing. It's a tossup between Inoue and Crawford. Inoue was more active and won all 4 belts in a year. Although I consider Spence a manufactured champion who was protected from Crawford for many years, due to PBC's influence with the sanctioning bodies, he was still highly regarded. Crawford beating him so brutally gives him a slight edge over Inoue in my opinion.

His fight with Lomachenco was a banger Vasiliy Lomachenko has the speed his jab was so fast that he could surely get to Devin Haney but for sure the defense of Devin Haney was so tight and he could surely get his counter but that fight you can clearly see that Vasiliy Lomachenko is winning the fight the announcers also are shouting Lomachenko's name it was a controversial result on why there are so many strikes for Lomachenko but still Devin haney was the Victory

Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.

And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.

Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)

probably the camp of Inoue has seen something after that fight of John Riel Casimero against the sparring partner of Naoya Inoue they are clear that Inoue is not needed to fight Casimero, as it doesn't do any great against his sparring Partner then they already think that Casimero would not be able to defeat Inoue, and that Casimero doesn't have the interest of Inoue because he doesn't have the target belt,

[Getmon]

There was a New Year fight in Japan,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU

It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.

So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.

Salute to the boxers who agreed to battle in the New Year. Josber Perez traveled far from Valenzuela to Japan. The two boxers were on a consistent eating regimen and were preparing hard. They were unable to enjoy the Christmas Day celebrations because they were required to sacrifice. Furthermore, after the battle, they presumably cannot eat well with swollen jaws and other damage from their bodies.

I have not heard from Estrada for some time. To my understanding, he had no belt as of now. The bantamweight division is compelling again after Naoya Inoue left and went to another class. Perhaps Ioka and Estrada can move and join the party.

[Fredomago]

Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.

Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.

And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.

Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)

They are comparing him to Pacman as he's following the footpronts of Pacman, trying to keep winning in different divisions but in today's era where there are so many fighters who can beat him in different division, not sure if they are willing to bring him up, he's the current cashcow so for sure his handlers will make a good use of it, his next opponent will be for making money as he's now holding all he belts and if he decide to keep it and stay in his current divsion,

there's a chance that money wise, they might bring's Casimero's name in the table as there are fans who would love to see them fighting to prove who's better among them.

[Yaunfitda]

Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.

Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.

And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.

Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)

They are comparing him to Pacman as he's following the footpronts of Pacman, trying to keep winning in different divisions but in today's era where there are so many fighters who can beat him in different division, not sure if they are willing to bring him up, he's the current cashcow so for sure his handlers will make a good use of it, his next opponent will be for making money as he's now holding all he belts and if he decide to keep it and stay in his current divsion,

I wouldn't say that Inoue is a cash cow, I mean he only fight in Japan, and so for me the definition of a cash cow is that the boxers can bring a lot of money and fans in the arena, in terms of PPV and live gates. But we can also say that if Inoue is fighting in US, but majority of his fight are in his native Japan.

there's a chance that money wise, they might bring's Casimero's name in the table as there are fans who would love to see them fighting to prove who's better among them.

If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.

[Finestream]

If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.

Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck.  It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.

[Baofeng]

If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.

Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck.  It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.

All roads to Inoue and I do agree that 70/30 split is already fair for Inoue. But that its if Top Rank or the Japanese manager of Inoue wanted Casimero. But so far Casimero doesn't have anything to bring in the negotiable table, he is not a champion, neither the mandatory challenger for any belt of Inoue.

And so with that, I think we could all agree that Neri is really the front runner for the sweepstakes race for a Inoue fight.

The good thing is that the fight is likely to be held outside of Japan and it could be better if Inoue will go back to USA and show his talent their. It's not that they haven't seen Inoue, but in the last 4 fights of his, he has broken at least in the top 3 pound for pound and American fans should witnessed him live.