Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Yaunfitda]

@Yaunfitda, @btc_angela. This is a head scratching move by the IBF to give their approval for a unification and when it was unified the IBF removes the championship from the boxer who had won the IBF title.

Also, Bud Crawford might have expressed that he will not fight Boots Ennis, however, does Bud have an opponent for his next fight already? The IBF should have waited, I reckon.

Isn't it Spence already activated the rematch clause? So it will be Spence vs Crawford II. And that's why it's a big surprised that the IBF stripped Crawford of the IBF belt when he was supposedly defending the unified title against Spence in a rematch.

@Yamifoud - Yeah Shakur won my a huge decision against Edwin delos Santos. But it's not a fight that everyone is very happy to watch. And others could be right that it was dull and boring.

But still it's a win for him and now he can call himself a 3 division champion.

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[Fredomago]

Good news for Shakur fans out there, we have a new champion!

Shakur Stevenson becomes earns WBC lightweight title in decision win over Edwin De Los Santos

Shakur Stevenson is now a three-division champion. Stevenson, the former Olympic silver medalist, grinded out a tough win over Edwin De Los Santos on Thursday night to claim the WBC lightweight crown in Las Vegas.

How do you rate the fight? Are you entertain or got bored? How about the betting side, anyone here won their bet?

I did not watch the fight but there are social media posts regarding to how his opponent's deal with his loss, something that mentioned about his there to fight but Shakur's way is to track him to get the point and just make sure to win it, I mean, my interpretation with what De los Santos wanted to implied is Shakur just secure the by win points and not the way a warrior fought.

Though there's nothing that De Los Santos can do now, if ever they will meet again he needed to adjust with the strategy Shakur used against him if he wanted to win.

[Jating]

Good news for Shakur fans out there, we have a new champion!

Shakur Stevenson becomes earns WBC lightweight title in decision win over Edwin De Los Santos

Shakur Stevenson is now a three-division champion. Stevenson, the former Olympic silver medalist, grinded out a tough win over Edwin De Los Santos on Thursday night to claim the WBC lightweight crown in Las Vegas.

How do you rate the fight? Are you entertain or got bored? How about the betting side, anyone here won their bet?

I did not watch the fight but there are social media posts regarding to how his opponent's deal with his loss, something that mentioned about his there to fight but Shakur's way is to track him to get the point and just make sure to win it, I mean, my interpretation with what De los Santos wanted to implied is Shakur just secure the by win points and not the way a warrior fought.

Though there's nothing that De Los Santos can do now, if ever they will meet again he needed to adjust with the strategy Shakur used against him if he wanted to win.

Yeah, it was a slow paced as described my some boxing media. As if it was like that Shakur Stevenson didn't wanted to get engage in the fight and just simply wanted to win in the scorecard and it's bad for his image with this kind of performance.

He has been talking about fighting the likes of Haney or Loma, but with this showing, Haney is now on the firing end as he said that he should offer Shakur 10% based on his performance (if was reported that the Haney's offered 25% for the purse split and Stevenson turn it down).

So let's see who's next for Stevenson as he got the belt. He will have to defend it next year.

[bbc.reporter]

@bisdak, @Boafeng. On Shakur being the WBC lightweight champion, would the fans have a unification vs. Devin Haney or will we witness Shakur and Haney avoid each other? There is also Tank hehehe. They might also avoid him very much similar to how the kings of welterweight were avoiding Boots Ennis.

[FinneysTrueVision]

@bisdak, @Boafeng. On Shakur being the WBC lightweight champion, would the fans have a unification vs. Devin Haney or will we witness Shakur and Haney avoid each other? There is also Tank hehehe. They might also avoid him very much similar to how the kings of welterweight were avoiding Boots Ennis.

Shakur is in a similar position to Demetrius Andrade. Fighters can just avoid him by saying that he is boring and wants too much money. There are still other good fighters in the division like Loma, Kambosos and Zepeda. We will likely see them challenge for Haney's other belts when they become vacant. A fight against any of them would be intriguing but unless they're offered a significant sum of money it might not be their highest priority to challenge Shakur Stevenson.

[btc_angela]

@bisdak, @Boafeng. On Shakur being the WBC lightweight champion, would the fans have a unification vs. Devin Haney or will we witness Shakur and Haney avoid each other? There is also Tank hehehe. They might also avoid him very much similar to how the kings of welterweight were avoiding Boots Ennis.

Shakur is in a similar position to Demetrius Andrade. Fighters can just avoid him by saying that he is boring and wants too much money. There are still other good fighters in the division like Loma, Kambosos and Zepeda. We will likely see them challenge for Haney's other belts when they become vacant. A fight against any of them would be intriguing but unless they're offered a significant sum of money it might not be their highest priority to challenge Shakur Stevenson.

I think Loma might can up from his hiatus and fight Shakur based on Stevenson's performance against Edwin Delos Santos. He is just taking a break for sure, but once he comes back and since both are Top Rank fighters, it's easy to made that fight.

And Shakur has been targeting Loma, his name is still good at anyone's resume, and again, Loma might think that he can win against this version of Shakur. So for me, this is the fight that most likely will be made by Arum to keep all the money in-house.

[Kemarit]

Shakur though disappoint me as a fan, I thought that he will go for a knockout win against Delos Santos and so I beat on that. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to engage and now he is getting a lot of heat from the fighters that he wanted, like Haney and Tank Davis.

So let's see how it goes, it might take sometime for him to digest, or if he is really hurt with that left hand or not. Some of the best have off-nights too or even lost their fight, at least Shakur get the win.

And so all the Devin talk died last night for Shakur, but again, let's see what his plan next, if Devin goes back to 135 lbs and fight him, let's see what will be the split then.

[bisdak40]

Shakur though disappoint me as a fan, I thought that he will go for a knockout win against Delos Santos and so I beat on that. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to engage and now he is getting a lot of heat from the fighters that he wanted, like Haney and Tank Davis.

So let's see how it goes, it might take sometime for him to digest, or if he is really hurt with that left hand or not. Some of the best have off-nights too or even lost their fight, at least Shakur get the win.

And so all the Devin talk died last night for Shakur, but again, let's see what his plan next, if Devin goes back to 135 lbs and fight him, let's see what will be the split then.

Lucky for him that he got Bob Arum's back as the latter planned to let him fight the aggressive Navarrete which i think could make him look good in the ring in this fight materializes.

The fight in itself was a mess, Shakur have an off night while they started very late at night when everybody was supposed to be sleeping and the action in the ring doesn't help anyone to be awake to finished the full twelve rounds.

Haney and Davis could wait as Shakur is still young, he just to make sure that his next fight is impressive.

[danherbias07]

Shakur though disappoint me as a fan, I thought that he will go for a knockout win against Delos Santos and so I beat on that. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to engage and now he is getting a lot of heat from the fighters that he wanted, like Haney and Tank Davis.

So let's see how it goes, it might take sometime for him to digest, or if he is really hurt with that left hand or not. Some of the best have off-nights too or even lost their fight, at least Shakur get the win.

And so all the Devin talk died last night for Shakur, but again, let's see what his plan next, if Devin goes back to 135 lbs and fight him, let's see what will be the split then.

Yeah, that was a bit disappointing, it lacks that "oomph" performance, and lack of action. For a lightweight fight, we are expecting some good fights like at least more punches that are being thrown and connected but it became a technical fight with jabs that ain't even hitting.
According to statistics, this is the lowest punches landed they have seen for a 12-rounder which is obvious after I watched the replay of the fight.
The good part is, that Shakur Stevenson admitted that it was not a bad performance on his side but he will just have to live with it and he still got the win.
He didn't also make excuses about that lack of punches using his left hand after he was interviewed if it was injured or not.
I think he is telling the truth, boxers also had this type of night where they were not in a condition to fight. It happens, shit happens. The crowd may have not liked it but it is what it is.
Maybe next time it will be different. Devin Haney maybe?

[Japinat]

Haney and Davis could wait as Shakur is still young,

Likely to happen.

he just to make sure that his next fight is impressive.

Unlikely to happen.

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Guys, don't get your hopes up for an entertaining fight if Shakur wins. If he keeps up his current pace, it means he's dictating the fight with his run-and-gun style, and that usually leaves fans unsatisfied. You know how it goes......they complain that Shakur is boring, yet they still shell out their money hoping for a different outcome. Some things never change!

[Yamifoud]

Good news for Shakur fans out there, we have a new champion!

Shakur Stevenson becomes earns WBC lightweight title in decision win over Edwin De Los Santos

Shakur Stevenson is now a three-division champion. Stevenson, the former Olympic silver medalist, grinded out a tough win over Edwin De Los Santos on Thursday night to claim the WBC lightweight crown in Las Vegas.

How do you rate the fight? Are you entertain or got bored? How about the betting side, anyone here won their bet?

I did not watch the fight but there are social media posts regarding to how his opponent's deal with his loss, something that mentioned about his there to fight but Shakur's way is to track him to get the point and just make sure to win it, I mean, my interpretation with what De los Santos wanted to implied is Shakur just secure the by win points and not the way a warrior fought.

Though there's nothing that De Los Santos can do now, if ever they will meet again he needed to adjust with the strategy Shakur used against him if he wanted to win.

Yeah, I saw the frustration. Shakur didn't break any boxing rules, so his win is fair game. However, in this boxing scene, especially when compared to international competitions like the Olympics,  this boxing we saw was more about entertainment. The reality is, his style of running to secure a win doesn't really entertain the fans. It seems to be increasing his number of haters, and these haters just keep showing up in most of his fights. LOL.

Boxers should be categorized between Runners and Warriors. 

[mirakal]

Guys, don't get your hopes up for an entertaining fight if Shakur wins. If he keeps up his current pace, it means he's dictating the fight with his run-and-gun style, and that usually leaves fans unsatisfied. You know how it goes......they complain that Shakur is boring, yet they still shell out their money hoping for a different outcome. Some things never change!

Many are hopeful that Shakur will entertain us. Personally, what I'm looking forward to is the day he faces a defeat, which would undoubtedly offer real entertainment. There's no denying his prowess in boxing; he's an incredibly dominant fighter, and his skills are challenging to match, even against knockout artists who lack his speed.

But, can we believe he said this?

"Shakur Stevenson Says He Would Have Smoke A Prime Manny Pacquiao...""
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/shakur-stevenson-says-he-would-have-smoke-a-prime-manny-pacquiao.704625/page-3

[electronicash]

Guys, don't get your hopes up for an entertaining fight if Shakur wins. If he keeps up his current pace, it means he's dictating the fight with his run-and-gun style, and that usually leaves fans unsatisfied. You know how it goes......they complain that Shakur is boring, yet they still shell out their money hoping for a different outcome. Some things never change!

Many are hopeful that Shakur will entertain us. Personally, what I'm looking forward to is the day he faces a defeat, which would undoubtedly offer real entertainment. There's no denying his prowess in boxing; he's an incredibly dominant fighter, and his skills are challenging to match, even against knockout artists who lack his speed.

But, can we believe he said this?

"Shakur Stevenson Says He Would Have Smoke A Prime Manny Pacquiao...""
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/shakur-stevenson-says-he-would-have-smoke-a-prime-manny-pacquiao.704625/page-3

he is popular but not the kind of Manny's power that drives people to travel just to watch him. but just like Inoue, they are both climbing the ladder. it will be really good to see popular boxers like Haney, Tank or Shakur fighting Inoue for this man is more likely to follow Manny. he is unifying titles and he is hurrying up to achieve greatness.

Garcia vs Broner sounds a bit of a joke but it will be fun. Broner is Ryan co main event this dec 2. theyd be observing each other then.

[mirakal]

Guys, don't get your hopes up for an entertaining fight if Shakur wins. If he keeps up his current pace, it means he's dictating the fight with his run-and-gun style, and that usually leaves fans unsatisfied. You know how it goes......they complain that Shakur is boring, yet they still shell out their money hoping for a different outcome. Some things never change!

Many are hopeful that Shakur will entertain us. Personally, what I'm looking forward to is the day he faces a defeat, which would undoubtedly offer real entertainment. There's no denying his prowess in boxing; he's an incredibly dominant fighter, and his skills are challenging to match, even against knockout artists who lack his speed.

But, can we believe he said this?

"Shakur Stevenson Says He Would Have Smoke A Prime Manny Pacquiao...""
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/shakur-stevenson-says-he-would-have-smoke-a-prime-manny-pacquiao.704625/page-3

he is popular but not the kind of Manny's power that drives people to travel just to watch him. but just like Inoue, they are both climbing the ladder. it will be really good to see popular boxers like Haney, Tank or Shakur fighting Inoue for this man is more likely to follow Manny. he is unifying titles and he is hurrying up to achieve greatness.

Inoue is currently in the superbantamweight division, and it would require him to climb three weight classes to face Shakur. While it's a possibility, it might take some time. Inoue's plan seems to be staying in the current division for a while, especially if he manages to unify all the belts, a scenario we'll find out about after his fight with Tapales on December 26th.

Garcia vs Broner sounds a bit of a joke but it will be fun. Broner is Ryan co main event this dec 2. theyd be observing each other then.

So Broner has a new opponent? I thouht he's up against Chris Howard as we have a thread here created before.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469823.0

[btc_angela]

^^ No, Broner will still have to deal with Howard. His name just pop up because Oscar Dela Hoya mentions AB that he could be the potential next fight for Ryan Garcia. But Garcia has his own fight with a very tough Duarte so we will have to see first that fight and how's Garcia under a new trainer and Broner too, if he can get pass Howard in his fight.

So nothing is concrete here, but as we have said, if Ryan wanted to become a world champion, stop chasing fighters like Duarte or Broner. There are a lot of great 140 lbs right now. If he wants then get some fighters in the top 5, as stepping stone to see if he still has that left hook power at this weight class and maybe talk later about the champion in Regis or Devin Haney.

[inthelongrun]

@bisdak, @Boafeng. On Shakur being the WBC lightweight champion, would the fans have a unification vs. Devin Haney or will we witness Shakur and Haney avoid each other? There is also Tank hehehe. They might also avoid him very much similar to how the kings of welterweight were avoiding Boots Ennis.

Why would Haney and Shakur avoid PBC's last undefeated cash cow? The question should be, when does Tank Davis grow balls to fight for the belts? Tank's nearing 30 yet he remained beltless at 135 and 140. Haney's only 25 and he already became undisputed at 135 and next month he'll have the chance to become a 2-division champion. Shakur's 26 but he is already a 3-division world champion. Tank's 29 and is a 1 division champion at 130. Tank just like Jake Paul and Ryan Garcia has a lot of casual followers which is why he keeps getting big money even without a belt. But those champions are very willing to give him a shot once he's got the guts to be great.

And speaking of Boots Ennis. He was actually offered by Crawford prior to the Spence fight. Ennis was so scared of the boogeyman that his team decided to make lame excuses and refused Crawford's offer. And their garbage excuse? According to them, Al Hymen treated them well so they wanted PBC to handle their fights, rejecting the chance to fight for a belt which would be promoted by Crawford's partners at that time. There's a video on this where Boots' dad was the one defending their lame excuse not to fight Crawford. Besides, Hymen did not really treat them well since they waited forever to enforce its mandate on Spence and it never came until the belt was taken by Crawford.

Spence activated the rematch clause on Crawford. This means Crawford will fight Spence next and not after fighting someone. Anyways, at Crawford's age, he's got no more business at 147. He should spend his limited remaining pro days fighting legacy fights like trying to get a belt at 154 to make him a 4-division champion or even become the first ever 3-division undisputed in the modern era.

[stadus]

^^ No, Broner will still have to deal with Howard. His name just pop up because Oscar Dela Hoya mentions AB that he could be the potential next fight for Ryan Garcia. But Garcia has his own fight with a very tough Duarte so we will have to see first that fight and how's Garcia under a new trainer and Broner too, if he can get pass Howard in his fight.

So nothing is concrete here, but as we have said, if Ryan wanted to become a world champion, stop chasing fighters like Duarte or Broner. There are a lot of great 140 lbs right now. If he wants then get some fighters in the top 5, as stepping stone to see if he still has that left hook power at this weight class and maybe talk later about the champion in Regis or Devin Haney.

Broner may not be the ideal match for Ryan Garcia; he's been on the decline, and Garcia needs to face top contenders to boost his ranking. Despite one loss, Garcia's career isn't done; he's likely to come back stronger. A win against Duarte would set him on the right path. The key is to keep challenging top contenders, gradually building his resume until he gets into the championship match up again.

How about Ryan Garcia vs Shakur? I think this is a good fight to watch,  boring vs non, and if Ryan would beat Shakur, he'll become the new champion, or if Shakur does not want to risk his belt, they can have a non title fight, is it possible?

[electronicash]

spence will face second defeat if he goes for Crawford for the 2nd time. he obviously is no match to bud. he should just wait til Crawford gets a bit older, this is the new strategy of this boxing era anyway. lol

Ryan did face a top contender, it must have been out of boredom so he ask for Davis. he got what he asked for, good that he didn't overthink of that loss and move on with Duarte. Shakir vs Ryan is possible. think Ryan has a chance.

[Jating]

spence will face second defeat if he goes for Crawford for the 2nd time. he obviously is no match to bud. he should just wait til Crawford gets a bit older, this is the new strategy of this boxing era anyway. lol

I think that fight will be at 154 lbs, they said that he is weight drain at 147 lbs. Not yet final, but I have a feeling that the rematch will be at 154 lbs and it might be close unlike the first fight. But nevertheless, if might be the same outcome, Crawford goes to win and defeat Spence twice in a row. Most likely like the case of Joshua losing twice against Usyk.

Ryan did face a top contender, it must have been out of boredom so he ask for Davis. he got what he asked for, good that he didn't overthink of that loss and move on with Duarte. Shakir vs Ryan is possible. think Ryan has a chance.

I think it's not about boredom, it's obvious that he wanted to have a money fight, a big fight that will earn him millions and that's why he given up a lot like rehydration clause, size of the ring, maybe the gloves to wear. But he is no match to the power of Tank Davis. I don't think that Ryan will go down to 135 lbs. He is too big for that weight class already.

[Baofeng]

@bisdak, @Boafeng. On Shakur being the WBC lightweight champion, would the fans have a unification vs. Devin Haney or will we witness Shakur and Haney avoid each other? There is also Tank hehehe. They might also avoid him very much similar to how the kings of welterweight were avoiding Boots Ennis.

I don't think that with this performance, Haney will avoid him as what Shakur camp is picturing. But the problem if Haney can still make the 135 lbs weight limit? He is fighting Prograis at 140 lbs and if he wins then he might vacant his 135 lbs belt for good and stay at 140 lbs. Teo Lopez is waiting for him as he also had one belt.

I don't think that anyone at 147 lbs is avoiding Ennis though, it's not the numbers might not be attractive for now for the likes of Crawford to face him. Fighting Ennis is a high risk low reward for Crawford.

Not sure about Tank, he is being protected right now as he is a cash cow but with no belts, hehehehe.