Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[TravelMug]

It's all over the media today:
Dana White and Turki Alalshikh announce new boxing league
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/dana-white-turki-alalshikh-new-boxing-league-b2709626.html

Given Dana White's experience and Alalshikh's super deep pockets, this could be a big thing that has the potential of changing the old boxing scene as we know it. More details to be announced later, but it looks like they intend to create a league-style competition. I'm having a hard time imagining the top boxers would be excited by that idea, as it would probably mean having to fight more often.

This is a threat to the top boxers.

Those that are likely to stay in their divisions and title, they will have to do something or if they don't, it's also fine.

But this is welcoming the aspiring boxers all over the world that there is now a league type of boxing and it's the one that will move them to the ranks and fame globally.

All they have to do is to win every match they'll box.

I do not think that it will be a threat to top boxers, if there will be an effect, then they will really try their best to be in the top of their game, otherwise, another young boxers will come up and challenge them and take their belt.

It says that they will officially kick it off in 2026, so most likely we will still see great fight under Turki and they are continuously taking great boxers already to prepare for this new boxing league. If there will be someone that will be threaten here, it's the 4 major boxing bodies. But we all know that most of them are corrupt, doesn't implement their champion fighting their mandatory and others. And for sure this is one issue that He Turki have seen and with this new league, he will eliminate it as the champion will have to defend his belt against the top rank fighters in the weight class.

It will be organized if that's going to be the case.

A threat in my mind because if this comes by, those aspiring ones will come up to the ranks due to their better performance.

The top ones need to compete as well in there and they will never know if that could be the matches for them because I think they won't be able to pick their opponents.

It will be similar to MMA, probably there will be a lot of months in one division and there will be one champion. But then those upcoming fighters will have a quick way to challenge the champion.

Unlike in conventional ranking that we have, it will take years for someone just to be able to have a chance to fight for the belt. Unlike in the MMA model, since there are a lot of fights, a aspiring one could be just months or even year and then he will have to crack the champion specially if his performance are really that great like knocking out all his opponents inside 5 or 6 rounds.

[Baofeng]

Latest news on the Davis vs Roach fight,

The New York State Athletic Commission has decided not to alter the draw between WBA lightweight champion Gervonta “Tank” Davis and super-featherweight champion Lamont Roach, individuals connected to both fighters told BoxingScene Friday.

Roach appealed to the commission to reconsider the 115-113, 114-114, 114-114 scorecards following the human errors committed by referee Steve Willis in the ninth round of Saturday’s bout at New York’s Barclays Center.

Washington’s Roach had landed a handful of blows on Baltimore’s unbeaten three-division champion Davis when Davis turned away from the action to take a knee, then walked to his corner, where co-trainer Calvin Ford wiped his face.

Davis, 30-0-1 (28 KOs), said his eyes stung from a hair chemical that was applied two days earlier.

https://www.boxingscene.com/gervonta-davis-lamont-roach-to-remain-a-draw-as-nysac-declines-to-overturn-decision--205765

So I guess there's nothing more Roach can do on his side, but to rematch Tank Davis. Although Tank said he want to run it again, but we will have to wait as I don't see it happening as an immediate rematch.

It's just hard for Roach and his team to be taken away that victory because of the miscall by the referee but they will have to live with it.

[jossiel]

It will be organized if that's going to be the case.

A threat in my mind because if this comes by, those aspiring ones will come up to the ranks due to their better performance.

The top ones need to compete as well in there and they will never know if that could be the matches for them because I think they won't be able to pick their opponents.

It will be similar to MMA, probably there will be a lot of months in one division and there will be one champion. But then those upcoming fighters will have a quick way to challenge the champion.

Unlike in conventional ranking that we have, it will take years for someone just to be able to have a chance to fight for the belt. Unlike in the MMA model, since there are a lot of fights, a aspiring one could be just months or even year and then he will have to crack the champion specially if his performance are really that great like knocking out all his opponents inside 5 or 6 rounds.

That's right.

This is what I mean that it's going to be a threat to the champs out there that have been challenged and they can easily decline and choose their challengers.

But being in a ladder like this, they won't have any option but to fight until the end or postpone the match and give it up easy if they know that they cannot win to the aspiring ones. Boxing is a business and all of these champs know what they do, gone are the days that we see head to head and toe to toe fights.

[AmoreJaz]

@Baofeng. I very much agree. If there is a trilogy this should be organized after Bivol and Beterbiev have gotten their rest. I reckon Bivol might be ready before Beterbiev because Beterbiev is a grandpa on 40 years old already heheheh.

On how Beterbiev will carry the loss, I speculate that he will certainly be on a hurriment on another rematch after his first loss hehe. We cannot be certain for Bivol, however. He is the present champion who will make this decision.

That's one thing though, Beterbiev is old and it might not be the same boxer after suffering his first lost. Trilogy should be organized by Turki once both are ready and 100% physically and mentally. After all there are a lot of fights that he had for boxing fans already, so for sure this fight should not be rush.

We will see how he will carry the lost here, he could really be motivated and comeback strong, or perhaps it was time for him to retire perhaps if he loss the trilogy. He has cemented his legacy already, live a good life in Canada. And we know that he has suffered from injuries as well so his body is telling him a different signal at age 40 and the wear and tear are slowly creeping in.

Beterbiev may be old for boxing but with right preparation, I believe he is still have juice to show inside the ring. His camp knows his current capabilities because with trainings, they already know if he can still hold long and intense fights. Bivol may be younger by 5 years, but we can't assure that his skills and strenghts can overpower Beterbiev.

If in case,  Beterbiev will lose another fight, that's when he should consider hanging his gloves and enjoy his retirement with his family. After all, there's no need to prove something to the boxing arena. He already done his part and he is past his prime years already.

[TravelMug]

It will be organized if that's going to be the case.

A threat in my mind because if this comes by, those aspiring ones will come up to the ranks due to their better performance.

The top ones need to compete as well in there and they will never know if that could be the matches for them because I think they won't be able to pick their opponents.

It will be similar to MMA, probably there will be a lot of months in one division and there will be one champion. But then those upcoming fighters will have a quick way to challenge the champion.

Unlike in conventional ranking that we have, it will take years for someone just to be able to have a chance to fight for the belt. Unlike in the MMA model, since there are a lot of fights, a aspiring one could be just months or even year and then he will have to crack the champion specially if his performance are really that great like knocking out all his opponents inside 5 or 6 rounds.

That's right.

This is what I mean that it's going to be a threat to the champs out there that have been challenged and they can easily decline and choose their challengers.

But being in a ladder like this, they won't have any option but to fight until the end or postpone the match and give it up easy if they know that they cannot win to the aspiring ones. Boxing is a business and all of these champs know what they do, gone are the days that we see head to head and toe to toe fights.

Just like what we have seen in tonight's fight in MMA, Alex Pereira lost his fight against  Magomed Ankalaev. And when we thought that he is invincible, suddenly a new fighter beat him in a very close fight.

And this could be what we are seeing, if the newcomers has it and then the champion trying his best to defend his title. But sooner or later someone will emerge and bet the champion and so we will have that kind of great fights to watch.

[jossiel]

That's right.

This is what I mean that it's going to be a threat to the champs out there that have been challenged and they can easily decline and choose their challengers.

But being in a ladder like this, they won't have any option but to fight until the end or postpone the match and give it up easy if they know that they cannot win to the aspiring ones. Boxing is a business and all of these champs know what they do, gone are the days that we see head to head and toe to toe fights.

Just like what we have seen in tonight's fight in MMA, Alex Pereira lost his fight against  Magomed Ankalaev. And when we thought that he is invincible, suddenly a new fighter beat him in a very close fight.

And this could be what we are seeing, if the newcomers has it and then the champion trying his best to defend his title. But sooner or later someone will emerge and bet the champion and so we will have that kind of great fights to watch.

Yeah.

This is what will happen to the veterans out there. If they are not careful and too confident, there are some aspiring fighters out there that have been training all of their life to reach the top too.

They're not joking about this and that's why if this is going to be implemented, the young bloods have their easier way to reach to the top and get recognized.

[Dave1]

@Baofeng. I very much agree. If there is a trilogy this should be organized after Bivol and Beterbiev have gotten their rest. I reckon Bivol might be ready before Beterbiev because Beterbiev is a grandpa on 40 years old already heheheh.

On how Beterbiev will carry the loss, I speculate that he will certainly be on a hurriment on another rematch after his first loss hehe. We cannot be certain for Bivol, however. He is the present champion who will make this decision.

That's one thing though, Beterbiev is old and it might not be the same boxer after suffering his first lost. Trilogy should be organized by Turki once both are ready and 100% physically and mentally. After all there are a lot of fights that he had for boxing fans already, so for sure this fight should not be rush.

We will see how he will carry the lost here, he could really be motivated and comeback strong, or perhaps it was time for him to retire perhaps if he loss the trilogy. He has cemented his legacy already, live a good life in Canada. And we know that he has suffered from injuries as well so his body is telling him a different signal at age 40 and the wear and tear are slowly creeping in.

Beterbiev may be old for boxing but with right preparation, I believe he is still have juice to show inside the ring. His camp knows his current capabilities because with trainings, they already know if he can still hold long and intense fights. Bivol may be younger by 5 years, but we can't assure that his skills and strenghts can overpower Beterbiev.

If in case,  Beterbiev will lose another fight, that's when he should consider hanging his gloves and enjoy his retirement with his family. After all, there's no need to prove something to the boxing arena. He already done his part and he is past his prime years already.

Sometimes though, it just take one fight specially if you are that older to take everything out of you, physically and mentally.

And Beterbiev have suffered injury that's why the they rescheduled the first fight. Although he win it, not that convincing, that's they they rematch. And perhaps that injury has been bothering him.

We haven't heard that much of the trilogy though, so maybe Beterbiev is thinking of his options right after he take his rest.

[Fredomago]

That's right.

This is what I mean that it's going to be a threat to the champs out there that have been challenged and they can easily decline and choose their challengers.

But being in a ladder like this, they won't have any option but to fight until the end or postpone the match and give it up easy if they know that they cannot win to the aspiring ones. Boxing is a business and all of these champs know what they do, gone are the days that we see head to head and toe to toe fights.

Just like what we have seen in tonight's fight in MMA, Alex Pereira lost his fight against  Magomed Ankalaev. And when we thought that he is invincible, suddenly a new fighter beat him in a very close fight.

And this could be what we are seeing, if the newcomers has it and then the champion trying his best to defend his title. But sooner or later someone will emerge and bet the champion and so we will have that kind of great fights to watch.

Yeah.

This is what will happen to the veterans out there. If they are not careful and too confident, there are some aspiring fighters out there that have been training all of their life to reach the top too.

They're not joking about this and that's why if this is going to be implemented, the young bloods have their easier way to reach to the top and get recognized.

Yes, there's always an open opportunities just like what happened to the fate of Pacman, he got picked to fight as replacement and the rest is history, if the newcomers deliver then his fate will be change for life, like what you mentioned, those who are in the top spot and andling their belts they can't just take things lighter as each fighters that will face them have that lust to win and takeove if given the chance.

[Slow death]

It will be organized if that's going to be the case.

A threat in my mind because if this comes by, those aspiring ones will come up to the ranks due to their better performance.

The top ones need to compete as well in there and they will never know if that could be the matches for them because I think they won't be able to pick their opponents.

It will be similar to MMA, probably there will be a lot of months in one division and there will be one champion. But then those upcoming fighters will have a quick way to challenge the champion.

Unlike in conventional ranking that we have, it will take years for someone just to be able to have a chance to fight for the belt. Unlike in the MMA model, since there are a lot of fights, a aspiring one could be just months or even year and then he will have to crack the champion specially if his performance are really that great like knocking out all his opponents inside 5 or 6 rounds.

That's right.

This is what I mean that it's going to be a threat to the champs out there that have been challenged and they can easily decline and choose their challengers.

But being in a ladder like this, they won't have any option but to fight until the end or postpone the match and give it up easy if they know that they cannot win to the aspiring ones. Boxing is a business and all of these champs know what they do, gone are the days that we see head to head and toe to toe fights.

Just like what we have seen in tonight's fight in MMA, Alex Pereira lost his fight against  Magomed Ankalaev. And when we thought that he is invincible, suddenly a new fighter beat him in a very close fight.

And this could be what we are seeing, if the newcomers has it and then the champion trying his best to defend his title. But sooner or later someone will emerge and bet the champion and so we will have that kind of great fights to watch.

To be honest, I wasn't surprised by Perreira's defeat, because I like both fighters and have been following their fights, and Magomed Ankalaev has shown himself to be a better fighter than Perreira. He knows how to use his feet very well and lets his opponent attack and attacks with great force. As long as he manages his time well and if he has a chance to corner his opponent, the guy doesn't waste it and knocks out his opponent. I hope boxing doesn't turn into mma

[jossiel]

Yeah.

This is what will happen to the veterans out there. If they are not careful and too confident, there are some aspiring fighters out there that have been training all of their life to reach the top too.

They're not joking about this and that's why if this is going to be implemented, the young bloods have their easier way to reach to the top and get recognized.

Yes, there's always an open opportunities just like what happened to the fate of Pacman, he got picked to fight as replacement and the rest is history, if the newcomers deliver then his fate will be change for life, like what you mentioned, those who are in the top spot and andling their belts they can't just take things lighter as each fighters that will face them have that lust to win and takeove if given the chance.

They really can become a threat to them.

And that's right, some rising stars can quicken their way to the top once that kind of rule has been activated. Those young and aspiring ones can take advantage of that system.

If that's the only way to go up then, they'll surely going to test themselves and try it.

[Fredomago]

Yeah.

This is what will happen to the veterans out there. If they are not careful and too confident, there are some aspiring fighters out there that have been training all of their life to reach the top too.

They're not joking about this and that's why if this is going to be implemented, the young bloods have their easier way to reach to the top and get recognized.

Yes, there's always an open opportunities just like what happened to the fate of Pacman, he got picked to fight as replacement and the rest is history, if the newcomers deliver then his fate will be change for life, like what you mentioned, those who are in the top spot and andling their belts they can't just take things lighter as each fighters that will face them have that lust to win and takeove if given the chance.

They really can become a threat to them.

And that's right, some rising stars can quicken their way to the top once that kind of rule has been activated. Those young and aspiring ones can take advantage of that system.

If that's the only way to go up then, they'll surely going to test themselves and try it.

They just need to make sure that they'll do everything to make their way as it's the quickiest passes for them to reach the top, though not everyone will have that same opportunities but if given a chance it's a one time opportunity that they should not missed, like what mentioned there's a equal chance as one solid combination may lead them to upset the heavy favorite and gives them the passage way to earn a belt which will surely change their career forever.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Yeah.

This is what will happen to the veterans out there. If they are not careful and too confident, there are some aspiring fighters out there that have been training all of their life to reach the top too.

They're not joking about this and that's why if this is going to be implemented, the young bloods have their easier way to reach to the top and get recognized.

Yes, there's always an open opportunities just like what happened to the fate of Pacman, he got picked to fight as replacement and the rest is history, if the newcomers deliver then his fate will be change for life, like what you mentioned, those who are in the top spot and andling their belts they can't just take things lighter as each fighters that will face them have that lust to win and takeove if given the chance.

They really can become a threat to them.

And that's right, some rising stars can quicken their way to the top once that kind of rule has been activated. Those young and aspiring ones can take advantage of that system.

If that's the only way to go up then, they'll surely going to test themselves and try it.

They just need to make sure that they'll do everything to make their way as it's the quickiest passes for them to reach the top, though not everyone will have that same opportunities but if given a chance it's a one time opportunity that they should not missed, like what mentioned there's a equal chance as one solid combination may lead them to upset the heavy favorite and gives them the passage way to earn a belt which will surely change their career forever.

There's no easy way to the top if they uses this kind of model, unlike before, wherein we see boxers in the beginning of their career and fighting nobody just to get that win in their resume and they are going to be hype like 10 to 15 fights, and maybe around 20 fights or more, they will be given their first chance to fight for the belt.

But in this new model, it's a dog eats dog world for boxers now, no time to lose a fight and the next fight will the be harder one until you are in the top of the standing and becoming the next mandatory fighter to a champion.

[Baofeng]

For those who might have remembered that Keith Thurman has a fight in Australia, he won via 3rd round KO against  Brock Jarvis. Here is the full fight,



Obviously, Brock is not on Thurman's level, and after this win, he calls out another Australian in Tim Tszyu. The only story between him and Tim is that they supposedly to fight before until Thurman got injured and then he was replaced by Fundora. And we all know that Fundora vs Tszyu is one of the most bloodiest fight in recent years and Fundora won that fight. And he lost again to Bakhram Murtazaliev the next fight and so the hype on Tim has died down already.

[Yaunfitda]

^^ It's good to see that Thurman, after being out for a long time, comes back with a great knockout win against Brock Jarvis. But it doesn't mean though that he can still go against the best at 154 lbs. Perhaps this is just a tune up fight for him, to gauge if he still has it. But against a not so good boxer, then we should be expecting that he will win this fight very easy and so that's what happen. If he target former champion Tim, then it's a good fight. Tszyu though looks damage good to me, specially in his last fight wherein it shows the ghost of his fight with Fundora. But Bakhram Murtazaliev took his soul that night and I do not think that Tim can become a champion again.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Obviously, Brock is not on Thurman's level, and after this win, he calls out another Australian in Tim Tszyu. The only story between him and Tim is that they supposedly to fight before until Thurman got injured and then he was replaced by Fundora. And we all know that Fundora vs Tszyu is one of the most bloodiest fight in recent years and Fundora won that fight. And he lost again to Bakhram Murtazaliev the next fight and so the hype on Tim has died down already.

For being out of the ring for three years, Thurman did not look bad. His previous fight was against Mario Barrios which he also won. Had Thurman not been so inactive, we could have seen some epic fights against Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. Outside of that loss to Pacquiao, he’s had a good career, but unfortunately, we will never know how good he could have been.

He is only one year younger than Crawford, so he is not too old to still be competitive, although with contenders and champions like Vergil Ortiz, Murtazaliev, and Madrimov, it’s not likely that he’ll win a title. A fight against Tim Tszyu is what makes the most sense. We can see how much each fighter still has left.

[Dave1]

Obviously, Brock is not on Thurman's level, and after this win, he calls out another Australian in Tim Tszyu. The only story between him and Tim is that they supposedly to fight before until Thurman got injured and then he was replaced by Fundora. And we all know that Fundora vs Tszyu is one of the most bloodiest fight in recent years and Fundora won that fight. And he lost again to Bakhram Murtazaliev the next fight and so the hype on Tim has died down already.

For being out of the ring for three years, Thurman did not look bad. His previous fight was against Mario Barrios which he also won. Had Thurman not been so inactive, we could have seen some epic fights against Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. Outside of that loss to Pacquiao, he’s had a good career, but unfortunately, we will never know how good he could have been.

He is only one year younger than Crawford, so he is not too old to still be competitive, although with contenders and champions like Vergil Ortiz, Murtazaliev, and Madrimov, it’s not likely that he’ll win a title. A fight against Tim Tszyu is what makes the most sense. We can see how much each fighter still has left.

And this fight did happen in Australia, so Thurman might have thought that he had solid fan base their and maybe that's why he wanted their former champion to be his next fight, to bring more money in the table.

Yeah, lots of good champion, younger and also a power puncher, so it might be very hard for Thurman to get pass this guys. Specially Thurman has this mentality to quit when he thinks that he is not winning the fight.

[pawel7777]

It looks like Uyk might get stripped of the WBO belt.
The WBO ordered him to fight a mandatory title defence against Parker:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/13327564/oleksandr-usyk-wbo-orders-heavyweight-champion-to-face-joseph-parker-next

The problem is, Usyk is allegedly already in talks with Dubois' team, and he said previously in interviews that he wants Dubois as his next opponent, and I don't think the WBO's order will make much difference. I'm guessing his plan is to fight Dubois first and win the IBF belt, then win the WBO belt back and probably retire after that.

[Jating]

It looks like Uyk might get stripped of the WBO belt.
The WBO ordered him to fight a mandatory title defence against Parker:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/13327564/oleksandr-usyk-wbo-orders-heavyweight-champion-to-face-joseph-parker-next

The problem is, Usyk is allegedly already in talks with Dubois' team, and he said previously in interviews that he wants Dubois as his next opponent, and I don't think the WBO's order will make much difference. I'm guessing his plan is to fight Dubois first and win the IBF belt, then win the WBO belt back and probably retire after that.

With so many belts on Usyk and as what we have seen on previous champions that is unified or at least 3 belts, it's very complicated as those bodies have their mandatory factor and the champion will have to face them if ordered and there are days that he need to decided. If he doesn't want to fight they he will be stripped simply as that.

So with Usyk here, what you laid is a good plan, fight Dubois as this is a money fight. Although he beat him already, we all know that it is somewhat controversial win by Usyk. And fans love to see this fight because after that lost, Dubois seems to be the new face of this division, specially on how he knockout AJ.

[Kemarit]

Obviously, Brock is not on Thurman's level, and after this win, he calls out another Australian in Tim Tszyu. The only story between him and Tim is that they supposedly to fight before until Thurman got injured and then he was replaced by Fundora. And we all know that Fundora vs Tszyu is one of the most bloodiest fight in recent years and Fundora won that fight. And he lost again to Bakhram Murtazaliev the next fight and so the hype on Tim has died down already.

For being out of the ring for three years, Thurman did not look bad. His previous fight was against Mario Barrios which he also won. Had Thurman not been so inactive, we could have seen some epic fights against Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. Outside of that loss to Pacquiao, he’s had a good career, but unfortunately, we will never know how good he could have been.

I was surprised to see that Thurman still has it after being out for many years. Although he beat Barrios on his last fight prior to this one, he was heavily criticized by fans regarding this performance there.

He is only one year younger than Crawford, so he is not too old to still be competitive, although with contenders and champions like Vergil Ortiz, Murtazaliev, and Madrimov, it’s not likely that he’ll win a title. A fight against Tim Tszyu is what makes the most sense. We can see how much each fighter still has left.

Yes, but he is not that competitive as Crawford is, maybe he looks good here because of his opponents. But if he goes up against this boxers, I do think that Thurman will lost against these heavy hitters and younger than him. For a Tim Tszyu fight, this could be the best option for him right now. He seems to get the respect of the Australian fans by knocking out one of their locals. So they want to him again against their best fighter in Tim. But Tim might need to take some time off as he has back to back losses.

[Hirose UK]

It looks like Uyk might get stripped of the WBO belt.
The WBO ordered him to fight a mandatory title defence against Parker:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/13327564/oleksandr-usyk-wbo-orders-heavyweight-champion-to-face-joseph-parker-next

The problem is, Usyk is allegedly already in talks with Dubois' team, and he said previously in interviews that he wants Dubois as his next opponent, and I don't think the WBO's order will make much difference. I'm guessing his plan is to fight Dubois first and win the IBF belt, then win the WBO belt back and probably retire after that.

Usyk mandatory fight against Parker is an attempt to determine who will truly hold the championship belt and end the interim title holder status which is currently held by Parker, besides everyone wants Usyk to get fierce fight like when he fought Fury before.
Mandatory fight given by the WBO will give Usyk choice about who will be his opponent later, I personally prefer if Usyk can accept the fight against Parker in an effort to defend the title and after that he can have another talk with IBF champion Dubois.