Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[TravelMug]

@cryptomaniac_xxx. It appears that John Riel has wasted his reputation and his name. I reckon that this man will become one of these boxers with stories who became poor after retirement. Some of them became alcoholics, drug addicts and also some have become criminals.

He should work under Pacman and become his bodyguard hehehehe or a trainer for younger boxers. Does Pacman have a stable of young boxers in the Philippines?

As a Filipino yeah, I do agree that he rekt himself specially after winning the bantamweight belt back then. And it's obvious that he should be working under Manny's arm because we all know that he himself come from nothing, being poor to become a legend and so he wanted to help every Filipino boxers.

Yeah, that's the sad part of Filipino boxers, we have a lot of them after their career was over, become poor or even went to jail. And by the way Casimero goes, flaunting his money, once that dry down, he might end the same fate with some of the best boxers we have. But I don't think that MP is willing to help him, he has too much ego but hopefully his new Japanese promoter can get him a good fight and make him a world champion again.

[bisdak40]

Yeah, that's the sad part of Filipino boxers, we have a lot of them after their career was over, become poor or even went to jail. And by the way Casimero goes, flaunting his money, once that dry down, he might end the same fate with some of the best boxers we have. But I don't think that MP is willing to help him, he has too much ego but hopefully his new Japanese promoter can get him a good fight and make him a world champion again.

It’s just sad that these things happened to Quadro Alas, but on the other hand, this might be a wake-up call for MP Promotions to give their fighters what they truly deserve. I heard Casimero say in his vlog that MP Promotions gave him a very small amount. And he said that for two fights under MP Promotions, he could earn the same amount with just one fight under a different promoter. I'm not sure if Casimero was telling the truth, but maybe he is—since he seems to be quite generous these days.

[btc_angela]

Yeah, that's the sad part of Filipino boxers, we have a lot of them after their career was over, become poor or even went to jail. And by the way Casimero goes, flaunting his money, once that dry down, he might end the same fate with some of the best boxers we have. But I don't think that MP is willing to help him, he has too much ego but hopefully his new Japanese promoter can get him a good fight and make him a world champion again.

It’s just sad that these things happened to Quadro Alas, but on the other hand, this might be a wake-up call for MP Promotions to give their fighters what they truly deserve. I heard Casimero say in his vlog that MP Promotions gave him a very small amount. And he said that for two fights under MP Promotions, he could earn the same amount with just one fight under a different promoter. I'm not sure if Casimero was telling the truth, but maybe he is—since he seems to be quite generous these days.

Well we really don't know who is telling the truth, maybe Casimero is or maybe MP is telling John Riel that is should not be about the money. Specially right now that he doesn't have a belt, then it's hard to promote Casimero and obviously he will be the B-side unless he is fighting a not well known boxer just like in his last couple of fight.

I don't care if he is generous, but later on, if he doesn't earn enough money then it's going to be very hard for him to maintain that kind of lifestyle. Or giving to everyone, all his friends and family. It's not that bad to help, but you will also have to think of yourself and the future that you are no longer making money from the sports of boxer.

[bbc.reporter]

I reckon that it might be the failing of weight cuts that has discouraged the big promoters from entering negotiations with him. Failure on these weight cuts implies that the boxer does not have discipline. Also, his attitude and arrogance did not win the promoters' hearts. I am not quite certain if this is true, however, John Riel might not be a person similar to Pacman. John Riel might be this very annoying person who you not want in your life.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

I reckon that it might be the failing of weight cuts that has discouraged the big promoters from entering negotiations with him. Failure on these weight cuts implies that the boxer does not have discipline. Also, his attitude and arrogance did not win the promoters' hearts. I am not quite certain if this is true, however, John Riel might not be a person similar to Pacman. John Riel might be this very annoying person who you not want in your life.

ONe of the main reason why Casimiro getting uncontrolled and boastful is because of the social media. He entered the vlogging, he wants attention!
That attention makes him more popular, he gets the traffic the views and audience. its very effective on his vlogging career. I think John is just waiting for the Inoue vs Casimero fight and he is good.

He is very far from PacMan, Time and Era. very different.

[pawel7777]

Regarding potential next fight for Usyk, everyone wonder if Usyk would want to fight Parker, but not the other way around. I think Parker would want to avoid fighting Usyk if it was up to him.
On one hand, it could be a payday of his life (especially if it were announced that it would be the last fight in Usyk's career), but on the other hand, Parker doesn't have the tools to beat Usyk and, after losing to him, he would always be seen as an inferior boxer, regardless how many wins he has after that.
But he doesn't realy have a choice and and it's the Ukrainian who calls the shots.

[btc_angela]

I reckon that it might be the failing of weight cuts that has discouraged the big promoters from entering negotiations with him. Failure on these weight cuts implies that the boxer does not have discipline. Also, his attitude and arrogance did not win the promoters' hearts. I am not quite certain if this is true, however, John Riel might not be a person similar to Pacman. John Riel might be this very annoying person who you not want in your life.

Yeah, I do agree that those two are factors why not a big promotional company is willing to take him in. Not making weight, not just once but many times in his career really shows that he doesn't have the discipline of a boxer. Maybe before he is making weight, but perhaps it really take him a lot to cut specially around 118 lbs. Not just discipline, but maybe he surrounds himself with wrong personality as well that didn't help him at all.

And then his attitude, he is boastful, I would agree that he likes to be in social media and wanted to gain attention. But at least back it up when you are winning and becoming professional boxer. Pacman is different, discipline wise and he is not that arrogant as compare to John Riel.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

@cryptomaniac_xxx. It appears that John Riel has wasted his reputation and his name. I reckon that this man will become one of these boxers with stories who became poor after retirement. Some of them became alcoholics, drug addicts and also some have become criminals.

I will agree that he has wasted his name and time. And by now, he is no longer getting any younger, so a fight should happen immediately. But the thing is that how his new manager can set him up a good fight in the future?

He should work under Pacman and become his bodyguard hehehehe or a trainer for younger boxers. Does Pacman have a stable of young boxers in the Philippines?

That will be the next step for him if he wanted to succeed even if he is not boxing anymore. Maybe with his money, he could built a good training gym in his hometown and then start to be a trainer. There have been a lot of former boxing who turns trainer if I'm not mistaken, like the Penalosa's or his former trainer Manny Melchor.

[bbc.reporter]

Regarding potential next fight for Usyk, everyone wonder if Usyk would want to fight Parker, but not the other way around. I think Parker would want to avoid fighting Usyk if it was up to him.
On one hand, it could be a payday of his life (especially if it were announced that it would be the last fight in Usyk's career), but on the other hand, Parker doesn't have the tools to beat Usyk and, after losing to him, he would always be seen as an inferior boxer, regardless how many wins he has after that.
But he doesn't realy have a choice and and it's the Ukrainian who calls the shots.

Agreed. However, after Usyk has made his legacy a certainty after the victories against the British boxers Anthony Joshua and the very much idolized Tyson Fury, anyone who will challenge him will only be going after the big payday of their lives hehehehe. It will not be anymore about the different heavyweight championships.

In any case, Usyk should also take advantage and collect as much money as he can and retire. There are many boxers that do not reach was he has reached and has retired poor.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

For those who are interested on the result of the VADA testing on Manny Pacquiao.



https://x.com/wbcmoro/status/1952513903252181056

So as confirmed, Manny is negative and I think this result might settled once and for all the negative connotations on him using PED. In his career, Manny had been tested many times and it's all negative.

We've heard a lot of boxer before specially in his prime accusing him of PED but was not proven. And if I remember it, even Keith Thurman is questioning if Manny is enhance or not specially after Manny beat him.

[bisdak40]

ONe of the main reason why Casimiro getting uncontrolled and boastful is because of the social media. He entered the vlogging, he wants attention!
That attention makes him more popular, he gets the traffic the views and audience. its very effective on his vlogging career. I think John is just waiting for the Inoue vs Casimero fight and he is good.

He is very far from PacMan, Time and Era. very different.

I agree that Casimero is just doing all these things in social media to attract attention and for the views as well but in real life, Quadro Alas is a nice guy, he even help people who are in need (as what i have seen in his vlog).

As of this time, there is no way that Casimero vs Inoue will happen, too many hindrance. The good news is that he is now under Kameda Promotions, this is final chance of recovering his boxing career so better for him to take care of his weight.

[Slow death]

I reckon that it might be the failing of weight cuts that has discouraged the big promoters from entering negotiations with him. Failure on these weight cuts implies that the boxer does not have discipline. Also, his attitude and arrogance did not win the promoters' hearts. I am not quite certain if this is true, however, John Riel might not be a person similar to Pacman. John Riel might be this very annoying person who you not want in your life.

 



is  face of someone who really attracts no other people, and strangely, there are not many followers on social media. I prefer to believe that this account:

https://www.instagram.com/johnrielcasimero/

It's not his, it was created by some crazy person who wanted to pass himself off as him, because he only has 5,000 subscribers. A famous fighter usually has thousands of followers and has marketing consultants to make money from sponsorships or advertising. Nowadays, famous fighters who have very strong marketing have a good chance of getting good fights. Of course, the fighter needs to be very strong constantly, constantly involved in controversies to always attract a lot of attention. But strangely, this guy doesn't have many followers and his social media isn't very active. From what I'm seeing,

[bbc.reporter]

This is a very bad news update.

I speculate that because Beterbiev is reaching an age where he is old already for boxing, he might witness his retirement before the completion of the trilogy against Bivol.

Also, why is David Benavidez not being given a fight against Bivol? This will certainly be very much exciting because this will be a unification fight for light heavyweight boxing.



An expected third fight between Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev is on hold indefinitely after it was announced Tuesday that Beterbiev will return Nov. 22 against Deon Nicholson.

The fight will be on the undercard of the Ring IV "Night of Champions" event headlined by David Benavidez vs. Anthony Yarde.

Read in full https://www.espn.com.au/boxing/story/_/id/45911655/beterbiev-puts-bivol-trilogy-bout-hold-fight-nicholson

[bisdak40]

This is a very bad news update.

I speculate that because Beterbiev is reaching an age where he is old already for boxing, he might witness his retirement before the completion of the trilogy against Bivol.

Also, why is David Benavidez not being given a fight against Bivol? This will certainly be very much exciting because this will be a unification fight for light heavyweight boxing.



An expected third fight between Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev is on hold indefinitely after it was announced Tuesday that Beterbiev will return Nov. 22 against Deon Nicholson.

The fight will be on the undercard of the Ring IV "Night of Champions" event headlined by David Benavidez vs. Anthony Yarde.

Read in full https://www.espn.com.au/boxing/story/_/id/45911655/beterbiev-puts-bivol-trilogy-bout-hold-fight-nicholson

Bad news indeed for fans that wanted a Beterbiev vs Bivol but the question here is that why HE Turki didn't intervene and make the trilogy ASAP.

Seems to me that Team Bivol is reluctant on giving Beterbiev the third fight, they might fear Bivol will loss on that third fight.

David Benavidez is one the most avoided boxers these days hehe, Canelo avoid him and now Bivol, should he change his promoter so that he could get the fight that he want?

[Fredomago]

ONe of the main reason why Casimiro getting uncontrolled and boastful is because of the social media. He entered the vlogging, he wants attention!
That attention makes him more popular, he gets the traffic the views and audience. its very effective on his vlogging career. I think John is just waiting for the Inoue vs Casimero fight and he is good.

He is very far from PacMan, Time and Era. very different.

I agree that Casimero is just doing all these things in social media to attract attention and for the views as well but in real life, Quadro Alas is a nice guy, he even help people who are in need (as what i have seen in his vlog).

As of this time, there is no way that Casimero vs Inoue will happen, too many hindrance. The good news is that he is now under Kameda Promotions, this is final chance of recovering his boxing career so better for him to take care of his weight.

Yeah, doing it for traffics as we know that there are many viewers who still interested with what he's doing online, it might be his marketing strategy to bring those interest and have that views and clicks to make money, like you said the possibility to fight against Inoue is not that close since that there are many obsticle not unless a powerful and very influencial figure will intervined and make things happen, we know how boxing business being run by money there's always a way for those who can bring money on the table.

[Yaunfitda]

This is a very bad news update.

I speculate that because Beterbiev is reaching an age where he is old already for boxing, he might witness his retirement before the completion of the trilogy against Bivol.

Also, why is David Benavidez not being given a fight against Bivol? This will certainly be very much exciting because this will be a unification fight for light heavyweight boxing.



An expected third fight between Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev is on hold indefinitely after it was announced Tuesday that Beterbiev will return Nov. 22 against Deon Nicholson.

The fight will be on the undercard of the Ring IV "Night of Champions" event headlined by David Benavidez vs. Anthony Yarde.

Read in full https://www.espn.com.au/boxing/story/_/id/45911655/beterbiev-puts-bivol-trilogy-bout-hold-fight-nicholson

Bad news indeed for fans that wanted a Beterbiev vs Bivol but the question here is that why HE Turki didn't intervene and make the trilogy ASAP.

Seems to me that Team Bivol is reluctant on giving Beterbiev the third fight, they might fear Bivol will loss on that third fight.

David Benavidez is one the most avoided boxers these days hehe, Canelo avoid him and now Bivol, should he change his promoter so that he could get the fight that he want?

I'm thinking that a Beterbiev wanted to have a easy fight first before going against Bivol for a trilogy. And it's obvious that he is aging already and the wear and tear have shown in the last fight against Bivol. So a tune up fight is needed to see if he still has it and bring back his confidence. Otherwise, if he wins against a unknown but his performance sucks, I don't think that there will be a trilogy. But if they see that Bivol still got the hungry in his stomach then maybe there will be a trilogy fight. It's good though that HE Turki didn't imposed a immediate third fight so that Bivol can take a breather and decide for himself.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

ONe of the main reason why Casimiro getting uncontrolled and boastful is because of the social media. He entered the vlogging, he wants attention!
That attention makes him more popular, he gets the traffic the views and audience. its very effective on his vlogging career. I think John is just waiting for the Inoue vs Casimero fight and he is good.

He is very far from PacMan, Time and Era. very different.

I agree that Casimero is just doing all these things in social media to attract attention and for the views as well but in real life, Quadro Alas is a nice guy, he even help people who are in need (as what i have seen in his vlog).

As of this time, there is no way that Casimero vs Inoue will happen, too many hindrance. The good news is that he is now under Kameda Promotions, this is final chance of recovering his boxing career so better for him to take care of his weight.

For his weight, he really needs to get a good nutritionist, and if I'm not mistaken, after he had his issue with his weight in his fight in Britain, I though he did get a good person that will take care of his food so that he will be in the limit of super bantamweight.

But I guess he ditch that idea and just take care of himself in which in resulted in another weight over in his last fight. And so his previous Japanese manager has no choice but to dump him. Good thing is that he will have another Japanese promoter. Not sure how many fights did he sign under Kameda, but I reckon it will be just like 3 fights?

[bisdak40]

For his weight, he really needs to get a good nutritionist, and if I'm not mistaken, after he had his issue with his weight in his fight in Britain, I though he did get a good person that will take care of his food so that he will be in the limit of super bantamweight.

But I guess he ditch that idea and just take care of himself in which in resulted in another weight over in his last fight. And so his previous Japanese manager has no choice but to dump him. Good thing is that he will have another Japanese promoter. Not sure how many fights did he sign under Kameda, but I reckon it will be just like 3 fights?

The incident in Britain should have been a wake-up call for him to hire a professional nutritionist. Instead, he chose to rely on his brother, Jason Casimero, who lacked the necessary expertise. At this stage of his career, Quadro Alas’s toughest opponent isn’t in the ring, it’s the weighing scale. If he can get his weight under control, there’s no doubt brighter things await in the twilight of his colorful journey.

It wasn’t stated how many fights Kameda will promote, but they usually give a minimum of 3 fights, so I think they’ll give 3 fights to Johnriel Casimero.

[bbc.reporter]

This is a very bad news update.

I speculate that because Beterbiev is reaching an age where he is old already for boxing, he might witness his retirement before the completion of the trilogy against Bivol.

Also, why is David Benavidez not being given a fight against Bivol? This will certainly be very much exciting because this will be a unification fight for light heavyweight boxing.



An expected third fight between Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev is on hold indefinitely after it was announced Tuesday that Beterbiev will return Nov. 22 against Deon Nicholson.

The fight will be on the undercard of the Ring IV "Night of Champions" event headlined by David Benavidez vs. Anthony Yarde.

Read in full https://www.espn.com.au/boxing/story/_/id/45911655/beterbiev-puts-bivol-trilogy-bout-hold-fight-nicholson

Bad news indeed for fans that wanted a Beterbiev vs Bivol but the question here is that why HE Turki didn't intervene and make the trilogy ASAP.

Seems to me that Team Bivol is reluctant on giving Beterbiev the third fight, they might fear Bivol will loss on that third fight.

David Benavidez is one the most avoided boxers these days hehe, Canelo avoid him and now Bivol, should he change his promoter so that he could get the fight that he want?

I reckon this might be because Bivol's team considers Beterbiev as a very big risk for their fighter Bivol. They also might have a plan to observe first then accept the challenge later hehehe. In any case, it appears that Beterbiev wants to become champion again quickly because there is a rumor that after his next fight, he will challenge David Benavidez. This will certainly bring the attention and the advantage on the negotiating table back to Beterbiev and he will be positioning himself to become unavoidable for Bivol.

[bisdak40]

I reckon this might be because Bivol's team considers Beterbiev as a very big risk for their fighter Bivol. They also might have a plan to observe first then accept the challenge later hehehe. In any case, it appears that Beterbiev wants to become champion again quickly because there is a rumor that after his next fight, he will challenge David Benavidez. This will certainly bring the attention and the advantage on the negotiating table back to Beterbiev and he will be positioning himself to become unavoidable for Bivol.

I read a news report yesterday stating that Dmitry Bivol underwent back surgery and will be resting for 6–8 weeks to recover. He’s expected to be out for the remainder of the year and plans to return to action in 2026. This could be the reason why the trilogy fight with Artur Beterbiev has been postponed. While the situation seems like a legitimate reason for the delay, it feels unfair to Beterbiev, who is aging and may not perform at the same level as he did in their first two encounters.