Bitcointalk Charity and its funds

[Mbitr]

This really isn’t looking good ? At the moment from what YOU - @cabilism13 are saying is that you’ve committed fraud - by your own admittance . Whether this is by nativity, ignorance and hopefully not arrogance remains to be seen. To use charitable funds for your own personal funds is fraud !  May be I’m coming on a bit strong, but if you actually analyse your justification of your use of funds and lack of transparency, updates etc - you’ll see it’s a bit muddled !
You’ve been on this forum 3 + yrs , yet expect members to accept your “reasoning”, then it seems very peculiar?
The more information, details of transactions, receipts etc you can give , the better for you . I personally hope it’s just a bit of naivety and hopefully a lack of perfect English ( no offence) .
Hopefully this will be cleared up soon

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[bL4nkcode]

I'd still like answers from Bl4nkcode as to why he agreed to break up the escrow agreement and allow the split of the money. Also, would like toi know the remaining balances bl4nkcode and crwth are holding.

This is the main reason actually https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56017192#msg56017192, to prevent the loss of the btc value.
I don't think it had break up the escrow agreement, the split of the funds is agreed to make more activities and causes, not only from one person (cabalism) and one place (near on him), that's why after the pull out of the funds, monthly activities had made.

As for the remaining balance it was mentioned by cabal, the 6000php on him will be used this coming december activity(ies).

The transactions moves as per the request of cabalism or the beneficiary.
- From escrow address directly to cabal or beneficiary (wallet address) that is agreed to received the funds (e.g. Croatian's Red Cross referred by marlbozaa)
- From escrow to my binance address -> binance p2p transaction (exchange to PHP fiat) -> my wallet (gcash) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account. OR from escrow -> my coins.ph account (exchange to PHP fiat) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account.

The second option is only applied IF the receiving account's available monthly/daily limit is lesser than the amount to be received.

[GeorgeJohn]

From my points of view calablism13 did not make a mistake by splitting the work load of the charity function, actually in none govermental organization [NGO] its not one person that carry on the function until the mission is accomplish, what he did by extending other activities to other person is good from my perception, so if those persons he assigned functions to do, and they did not operate well for the benefit of the charity via the funds, it's doesn't mean that he embezzled the fund.

At least everybody who is involve is accountable to his own allocation of fund, let it be proper audit first, i think they found out the loophole later.

[LoyceV]

This is the main reason actually https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56017192#msg56017192, to prevent the loss of the btc value.

Allow me to quote the (unedited) post here:

-Just a Quick Update to all, Funds will be pulled out by escrow and will be converted to stable coin, as BTC keeps falling so we do want to take the chance not to gain loss and keep gaining for the sake of this charity and the people that needs it.
-Funds will go back to BTC as soon as it drops by 20k -25k

First, it's bad this isn't added to the OP. If someone wants to donate, they're not likely to read post #298.
Second, if a Bitcoin whale donated 1 Bitcoin, I assume they're long-term HODLers, which makes it likely speculating on Bitcoin dropping is not what they would have wanted (but this is just my own speculation).
Third, the post mentions converting funds to stable coin, it doesn't mention anything about splitting it to 3 people. I also don't think PHP classifies as "stable coin".
Fourth, Bitcoin did drop by 20k-25k between April 23 and May 19. According to the above post, the "stable coin" should have been converted back to Bitcoin. Note that Bitcoin at $44k at the time was still much higher than the $32k at the time of the above post. This nicely shows how bad "timing the market" can be.

I don't think it had break up the escrow agreement

What exactly was the escrow agreement? All I can find is this, which doesn't mention any terms at all:

This is bL4nkcode, and I confirm that this address 1CHAriTyyuCzLdXshSDVohyjgxTxW9Bhx is held by me and will be used as a donation address for Bitcointalk Charity Program https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122205.0. Today 03/20/2019 PHT UTC +8

As an escrow, I think you're responsible for making absolutely sure up front how and when funds can be spend.

the split of the funds is agreed to make more activities and causes, not only from one person (cabalism) and one place (near on him)

The proper way to handle this would be to ask for funds from escrow each time a new charity activity was found and published in the thread.

that's why after the pull out of the funds, monthly activities had made.

If only there was a record of activities!

The transactions moves as per the request of cabalism or the beneficiary.

Wait, what? Why can the beneficiary ask for funds? How does that go? Like: "Howdy, I'm LoyceV, my address is in my profile!"? That's ..... weird!

- From escrow to my binance address -> binance p2p transaction (exchange to PHP fiat) -> my wallet (gcash) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account. OR from escrow -> my coins.ph account (exchange to PHP fiat) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account.

Without clear documentation, this sounds like a smoke curtain instead of honest documented trades. I've handled some user's funds, and when I do, I make sure I document every transaction up to the last decimal. You've been active as an escrow for years, how can this not be your default behaviour?

From my points of view calablism13 did not make a mistake by splitting the work load of the charity function, ~, what he did by extending other activities to other person is good from my perception

Splitting the work load is totally fine. Giving people (including the escrow who was supposed to protect the funds) carte blance is not.

[Pffrt]

What exactly was the escrow agreement? All I can find is this, which doesn't mention any terms at all:

This should be some part of the agreement as mentioned by cabalism.

Funds will be hold by an escrow (bl4nkcode), and for every donations TXID will also be posted here to let the public keep in touch.

Updates, Activities, Images will be posted here as soon as we have conducted such activities.

It was supposed to be every details will be publicly posted along with the relevant tx id. But in the last part, cabalism or bl4nkcode didn’t keep the tracking aka broken the agreement. Well, I don't think it's directly escrow agreement but it was an agreement between the charity and the donators. So, cabalism has broken the agreement in my opinion.
I really didn’t give a lot of attention to this topic when yahoo62278 posted this but after observing cabalism post, I really feel like something smelly which I didn’t expect (I still expect that it's only "not keeping public records only, nothing smelly).
This once again makes me feel like I should not donate to any such charity but each time I see such charity, I can barely control myself.

[dkbit98]

You're quite a funny guy, you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds? You might want to make a computation yourself.

Thank you for compliments and for sending me merits.
Congratulations on getting married, and I hope you are enjoying your life now that you created all this mess with your donations charity scheme.
If you can use donation funds for family medications (like you admitted yourself), why are you acting surprised with my speculation that you used part of same donation for your wedding celebration also?

Thanks yahoo, now I know there are still watching the charity. No worries, even if I get that red markings I'll let you know about the activities. Especially dkbit lol, you really did get on my nerves.

No problem sir, I have the skills to do that and I am here to serve and protect, btw I never accused you of anything, it was just my speculation because of your recent inactivity.
Please let me know when you need next donation, maybe for your kids, grandkids or pets.

Happy Holidays.

[The Cryptovator]

may be wrong for not updating the thread for I have been busy ever since I got offers on Telegram, what I can say here is I've done what must be done. I've been compiling this shitty proofs of yours despite of my busy schedule, I asked yahoo for a week but it seems not sufficient, You can tag me all you want, can't defend myself here anymore, just thanking this community btw. And I'm done here.

It's quite nice to be part of the community for 3 years, I appreciate the help and others.

Surprising reply! Why are you asking to tag? Had OP created the thread to tag you? He just asked for a proper explanation and proof of your charity's progress. This isn't about tagging your account, this is about transparency about your charity activities. I really appreciate these kinds of initiatives, but they should be held in a transparent way. Look like you become angry due to asking questions. The thread hasn't been created to hear your farewell speech and we won't stay with us forever.

No matter you stopped charity activities due to a busy schedule, but you should update about the situation before asking a question from the community. Since you have been raising funds through the forum, so this community reserve the right to ask you to provide real-time updates. I am curious what did you mean by shitty proof, but it's not expected from you. Splitting funds shouldn't problem as long as they provide proof of distribution, either to you or in the thread. And one more thing, you do not reserve the right to spend charity funds for your family illness. No matter who gives you permission as long as not permitted by the donator to do so.

[crwth]

I do hope that everything will go well here. Sadly, there wasn't any update with regards to the charity thread with any activity. But I'm currently helping compile all the transactions and ask for their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet. It would be easier to see how it breaks down if it's okay to use as a reference/copy the spreadsheet by Royse777.

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

[Lucius]

I am personally familiar with the project because I have personally donated several times, and as long as it involved smaller amounts the transparency was at a high level and the whole charity was run in a professional way. When someone donated 1 BTC and it was decided to transfer the funds to stablecoins things got a little out of hand with the obvious lack of activity of the members who ran the whole project.

This should never have happened, because someone will always start digging and find any irregularities, which will result in questions that need to be answered without any doubt. I would advise everyone involved in this to be as transparent as possible and to clarify all transactions.

A lot of good has been done through this project, let's give people some time to show all the evidence - and if someone has borrowed part of the funds for personal needs in case of emergency, let them apologize and return the funds. I do not approve of such actions, but everyone would help their family member in any way to save his life, and that needs to be understood.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Another thing that strikes me is that cabalism13 is boasting about how much money he has spent on his wedding, then he emphasizes that we are only talking about 0.4 Bitcoins that were split between three people, when the Bitcoin was at $30K, as if it was little money, but then he took $500 to buy medicine for his grandfather.

Eh, yeah--exactly.  

I know this isn't my fight and I wasn't a donator, but how was it that these three members were chosen as escrow agents?  I don't know the full story behind this charity, as I haven't read that other thread yet (just due to personal time constraints).  If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

Also, if cabalism13 used charity funds for his grandfather's medications (or so he says), I can pretty much guarantee you it didn't end there--if it even started there in the first place.  Once someone has crossed a boundary like that it gets so much easier to do it repeatedly.  And if there weren't receipts kept....well, it's not hard to put two and two together here.  

I'm also wondering when exactly any of these members were going to give an accounting of the funds and their activities if yahoo62278 hadn't pushed them to.

[LoyceV]

~as it involved smaller amounts the transparency was at a high level and the whole charity was run in a professional way. When someone donated 1 BTC and it was decided to transfer the funds to stablecoins things got a little out of hand with the obvious lack of activity of the members who ran the whole project.

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

What is not clear to me is whether it was something that in the end got out of hand because they received much more money than they expected.

In May and November last year 1BTC was donated. Those were worth $9k and $16k at the time. I can imagine it's suddenly a lot more work to distribute a lot of money than it was with $30 at a time when this thing started. I can also imagine it's also a lot easier staying honest with $30 than it is when someone hands you 3 annual salaries. That doesn't mean you're a thief, but in my opinion it does mean you have to work extra hard to make sure nobody gets any reason to doubt anything you did! By not doing that, all we can do is guess and speculate, and that's entirely due to your lack of transparency.

It used to say it in the title: $1 Is A Big Thing For Them. I've seen the pictures of shopping carts with groceries. However, 2BTC can buy many hundreds if not thousands of full shopping carts. Where are those pictures?
Until the first 1BTC was donated, the pictures of this charity looked really good, and look like all the money was well spend. But this was much less than 1BTC, probably even less than a tenth of that. Which means I'd expect at least ten times more items to be donated later on.
Then:

BIG NEWS EVERYONE!

I don't know if its an accident or what, but it seems someone has transferred 1BTC to our Charity.
This is a BIG SHOCK to me actually, I don't know what to do and what to say, but there's one thing I can assure to all of you, the money will go to different orphanages and other helpless people out there that seems having a hard living in this scenario.
Current Balance: 1.03331019 BTC

After this, there were still pictures posted, but none of it looks like it came even close to spending 1.6BTC. But I can only guess, as no amounts are specified.
The spreadsheet is not publicly accessible:

Spreadsheet Link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17grJGkBUN9mRpq-elrmZ-XFTdYWPXiB8xqMu5IZcYRA/edit?usp=sharing

Also good to know: when cabalism13 announced to pull funds out of escrow, 0.55387486BTC worth 18,308.30USD was moved.

This didn't age well:

Will never ask for more, Donate on your own will.

I think the donators might give us another

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At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

It's partially on a local board, which makes it even harder to get the full picture.

I'm also wondering when exactly any of these members were going to give an accounting of the funds and their activities if yahoo62278 hadn't pushed them to.

My guess: never. Why else didn't anyone keep track of all transactions?
Although I must say this sounds promising from crwth:

I'm currently helping compile all the transactions and ask for their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet.

Then again, 1.5 years ago he wrote this already:

My personal target with this, if I were to receive the amount with the region, I could provide 300 - 500 pax. Of course, I would document everything and show you guys the step by step of this activity.

TO ALL WATCHERS AND COMMENTATORS: we're not talking about the 2 BTC here, but only .4 BTC

It wouldn't hurt to include the full 2.12264434BTC in the spreadsheet, so all numbers can be verified in the overview.

[Igebotz]

I'd still like answers from Bl4nkcode as to why he agreed to break up the escrow agreement and allow the split of the money. Also, would like toi know the remaining balances bl4nkcode and crwth are holding.

I don't think it had break up the escrow agreement, the split of the funds is agreed to make more activities and causes, not only from one person (cabalism) and one place (near on him), that's why after the pull out of the funds, monthly activities had made.

And the reason the money were split into three parts was not realized because nothing else has been done since the funds were separated to increase activity. BTW, unless yahoo62278 brought it up, I had no idea that this charity was still active. There was a time when our local board needed some funds to assist families of some of our members who had died, but the charity thread was inactive and dusty, showing a ZREO (0) balance, while the funds were converted to local fiat and shared among some users. I'm not accusing anyone, but this act alone demonstrates how the organization has been operated for years in an unprofessional manner.

As for the remaining balance it was mentioned by cabal, the 6000php on him will be used this coming december activity(ies).

Do we have to wait until the Christmas season to feed the less privilege? when there are hundreds of thousands of children on the streets every day? If there are no hungry or poor people in your neighborhood, this charity only requires $400 to clothe as many homeless children as possible.
 - COLD IS COMING!

[Pffrt]

I know this isn't my fight and I wasn't a donator, but how was it that these three members were chosen as escrow agents?  I don't know the full story behind this charity, as I haven't read that other thread yet (just due to personal time constraints).  If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

They all three are not escrow agents. cabalism13 started the charity out of his own interest and was inspired by other charities from which one was hosted by the forum member and ex-moderator (?) Dabs. cabalism13 started the charity. bl4nkcode is providing escrow service for a few years now and as he was from the same local as cabalism13, it was a default pick as escrow. crwth was possibly involved as a volunteer though it's not clear his involvement at all. cabalism13 announced the charity with escrow bl4nkcode signed message, I can't see crwth was mentioned anywhere in the announcement thread and suddenly crwth was sharing about some of his activities which has no prior discussion. Maybe they had PM or discussion in their local.

[Lucius]

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

[examplens]

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

I read this thread and I really don't like where this is going. charity is a very delicate matter, and running one must have a high degree of responsibility because any abuse will hinder some sincere intentions in the future.
I am very surprised that we do not have concrete answers from these three members here, especially from the bL4nkcode who performs with his escrow service here.
I hope I am wrong and that they use this time to collect all the data on transactions in order to document and present them publicly.

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At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

is this suspicious only to me as completely non-transparent and what is escrow for here, signed address...

[dkbit98]

Also good to know: when cabalism13 announced to pull funds out of escrow, 0.55387486BTC worth 18,308.30USD was moved.

This is especially important when we know that 1 Bitcoin was trading around $69k last month.
Now let me play a advocate role here and say that it's nothing strange if they converted Bitcoin to fiat currency to buy groceries and stuff for charity, because most shops don't accept BTC.
All they need is to provide some evidence for spending and converting coins to fiat and all this story would finish quickly.

What made me even more confused is when I saw a post from C13 when he suggested that one gambler addict should send Bitcoins to his ''Charity'' project to solve his gambling addiction, and I don't know how ethical this is, but whatever.

But if you are totally a crazy millionaire, man, I suggest to donate it on my Charity! Just go to Services Section then look for BITCOINTALK CHARITY

Let me finish this by saying this, I think that charity is a wonderful thing and everyone should practice this on personal level as much as he/she can.
It's also obvious that this guys helped some people in the past, I respect that and I hope this situation will be resolved soon.

[Igebotz]

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

It's not about his reputation; his account is insignificant in comparison to the sums at stake, and tagged or not, he can always find his way around here. We're talking about future philanthropy because we don't want the wonderful donors' minds to be swayed.

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The charity's credibility, transparency, accountability, and flexibility were all lost at this point. The contribution address for USDT, XRP, ETH, and BNB was not made public. CB13 and the other two words are not convincing enough.

[noorman0]

The only thing that made me ask about the latest funds on the official thread is this offer.

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The purpose of my question is how much money we got from these (hidden) addresses, because main charity address on the OP clearly shows 0BTC. How can donations by private PM achieve full transparency? It might be too late if the program committee wants to publish the addresses for altcoins donations, we never know what actually happened between June 2 and December 15 and don't know which addresses were actually given to donors (if any).

Such practice is not a common standard for charity programmes. What I do know is that even legal charities will publish the recipient's account address even if it doesn't have an account address explorer like blockchain. I think this program is completely broken now and can't be continued again if managed by the same person. I suggest disbanding and removing charity address (BTC) from the OP.

[RapTarX]

you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds? You might want to make a computation yourself.
Everybody should know I wouldn't expose my name here for such quite low amount of money.

You are creating the scenario worst I guess; by bringing this issue, you seem to be more doubtful TBH. If someone is talking about something personal; bring the proof that you have utilized the fund for good cause & that should be your answer to them.

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At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

This is really the worst. The address is supposed to be from escrow aka bl4nkcode. Why were bl4nkcode silent or even crwth? Since they were actively involved with the project & bl4nkcode was supposed to be escrow, why did he not say a word when cabalism13 asked to PM for an address?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

They all three are not escrow agents. cabalism13 started the charity out of his own interest and was inspired by other charities from which one was hosted by the forum member and ex-moderator (?) Dabs. cabalism13 started the charity.

Thanks for that explanation; I got the feeling from reading part of the other thread that cabalism13 had more to do with it other than just being an escrow, but that certainly doesn't excuse him from misappropriating funds.  It's the same level of wrongdoing if not worse IMO.

For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case.

Are we both reading the same thread?  Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes.  Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.

And his/their reputation(s) weren't ruined in a matter of days, though it may seem that way.  They were in the process of being ruined whenever the first bit of money was spent on non-charity things or sent to Binance to gamble or split up between the three members in question.  I'm sure they were hoping it would go unnoticed if they stayed quiet, because they knew a thread like this would be the result, as well as an indelible black mark smeared on their reputations.  Well, that goes for cabalism13 for now; I'll await the story from the other two.