Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[tvbcof]

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Fortunately for the Neocons, the Nazis are stupid enough to be lead by the nose straight to their deaths.

Well that goes hand in hand.

As does Zionism and Nazism.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/239848


Nazis have always been useful, and that is why, again, I'm expecting a lot of 'Nazi problems' in any country which currently has a lot of Jews.  Or at least worthwhile (rich, educated, fanatic, pure-bloodline, etc) Jews.  Certainly that includes the United States.  This happens to align with 'prophecy' which I put some stock into mainly because it 'prophecy' and 'blueprint' are fairly interchangeable in this context.

[DaRude]

media outlets take reasonable steps? Are we talking about the same conflict in this fog of war? surely not Russian media and the other side is not much better.

I'm very impressed with the journalists that are on the ground reporting from media outlets like BBC and NYTimes.

I also read RT.com regularly, and it's pretty clear that the narrative being pushed by Russia is pretty in line with what you're pushing in this thread.  

Hopefully it stops being cool to shit all over independent journalism some day soon.  

Would you be able to point me to some objective coverage that perhaps uncovers some not so favorable facts or criticizes some decision/aspect from their own side in this conflict? Just like RT all i see is them just painting one side all white and opposing side all black, to get their reader in the friend/foe mindset, so its more of morale booster (winning hearts and minds) than objective news coverage.

We're at the point in news coverage where both sides accuse each other of preparing to use chemical/biological weapons, guessing vials will be next, care to show impressive coverage of this nonsense from any side? I guess anything outside of complete praise automatically puts me in the foe camp, I'm fine being in a foe category to both sides for calling out everyone's BS.

[Tash]

Soros is another such creature.
For a gold watch or coin he would organize a train ticket. By sheer coincident some organizationall mishap happened the the train went to Auschwitz.

Australians with ther peace mobil.


Anyone with eyes can see. (A30B, 1313)

[Etranger]

Factions of the Ukrainian side have been, since very nearly the start of this thing, using civilians as human shields as a strategy.

I wonder what kind of strategy it is, can you tell us more about it?

By most of the interviews I've heard, civilians are reporting that the Russians have been fairly helpful in trying to allow them to leave the combat zones when they can.  This makes logical sense, and most of the actual evidence that I can see backs that up.

Are you listening to an interview on pro-russian television? You will not be told anything else. The russian invaders are offering some "help" just to record what they are supposed to be giving, to feed their sheep on TV. And in order for Ukrainians to come to them for this disgusting false "help", they first drop bombs on maternity hospitals, clinics and schools. I wonder if you will go for help if your child dies in your arms? Because this is the only case when Ukrainians can ask for ''help'' from these killers.

See what they are actually doing to our people
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/19/7332840/

This is a good case-in-point where as the Russian gain control, freedom of movement seems to be restored.

In your opinion, do Russians live well? Is this the country you want to move to on a permanent basis? Is this the country they go to visit en masse? Is this a country where people can be themselves and have the right to freedom of speech? Is this a country that is inventing something new that is changing the lives of the entire planet? Is this a country that can be proud of its innovative approaches? Is this the country that the whole world is now defending? If you answer "yes" to all these questions, then you are fooling yourself. And it's even worse than being deceived by this lying state.

[paxmao]

Some talk points that, for those who understand that Putin would not move a finger to protect anyone from "nazis", may actually be worth being discussed:

- There are indications that the railways in Belorussia have been sabotaged, and it seems to be internal. This may cause severe delays in the supplies to Putin's army surrounding Kiev. It could get to the point of his army not being able to defend themselves. This has not been confirmed yet by the major news outlets.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3434519-kamyshyn-rail-services-between-ukraine-and-belarus-suspended.html


 

[mindrust]

Is this a country where people can be themselves and have the right to freedom of speech?

...see Trump's latest podcast with Joe Rogan... if you can find it, since it and its reuploads getting removed in a few hours after they get uploaded.
Luckily commy youtube isn't the only game in town:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WdzbBWQbKhzd/

Freedom of speech like this?

The west banned their own president from every social media there is.

Seized the Russian properties regardless of whom the owner is supporting (seriously why haven't the UK questioned the source of Abramovitz's wealth before?), kicking people out of colleges, not letting Russian people into the restaurants (wtf?)

I haven't been to Russia so I can't say anything about the country but the west's mask has slipped, they are also not what they claim to be.

edit: Also see the Canadian truckers and what happened to them and their bank accounts. Freedom of speech my ass.

[LTU_btc]

While EU are making sanctions against Russia with one hand, they are funding car in Ukraine with another hand by buying fuuel from Russia. Since war started, EU paid over $16 billion for fuel import. Fuel - oil and gas always been main source of income for Russia and it continue to be. Yes, I know that it would be difficult to find replacement for their gas and oil and set up whole supply proccess in such short time, but there is so much hipocrisy in EU actions.
https://www.newsweek.com/eu-paid-russia-16bn-fossil-fuels-since-start-ukraine-war-1689448

Freedom of speech like this?

The west banned their own president from every social media there is.

Seized the Russian properties regardless of whom the owner is supporting (seriously why haven't the UK questioned the source of Abramovitz's wealth before?), kicking people out of colleges, not letting Russian people into the restaurants (wtf?)

I haven't been to Russia so I can't say anything about the country but the west's mask has slipped, they are also not what they claim to be.

edit: Also see the Canadian truckers and what happened to them and their bank accounts. Freedom of speech my ass.

I don't agree with banning Trump from social media, removing videos that someone don't like and etc. Probably there is no country in the world with complete freedom of speech. But I think that is simply not correct to compare level of censorship in Russia and in the Western countries.
IMO, in this case, seizing Russian properites isn't something wrong, while removing people from college is overkill. While not letting Russian people into restaurants is just initiative by few restaurants in the world and it's not pushed by government.

[paxmao]

Is this a country where people can be themselves and have the right to freedom of speech?

...see Trump's latest podcast with Joe Rogan... if you can find it, since it and its reuploads getting removed in a few hours after they get uploaded.
Luckily commy youtube isn't the only game in town:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WdzbBWQbKhzd/

Freedom of speech like this?

The west banned their own president from every social media there is.

Seized the Russian properties regardless of whom the owner is supporting (seriously why haven't the UK questioned the source of Abramovitz's wealth before?), kicking people out of colleges, not letting Russian people into the restaurants (wtf?)

I haven't been to Russia so I can't say anything about the country but the west's mask has slipped, they are also not what they claim to be.

edit: Also see the Canadian truckers and what happened to them and their bank accounts. Freedom of speech my ass.

FAKE: Russian properties have not been seized indiscriminately. There is a specific list of people.

The UK has been very lax on questioning where the investments came from. However that also has a limit which is when that wealth threatens the UK itself.

FAKE: Trump has not been banned from most media. He has been banned from some media, privately owned, for breaching the terms of use. Tbh for breaching them over and over, including stating facts that were not true - not opinions which are free, but simply fake facts.


On freedom of speech is not allowed when calling for acts that disrupt democracy, such as trying to intimidate politicians into acting in a certain way. Trump was banned from Twitter, a private company, after using it as a platform to call for a disruption to the system that actually grants that freedom (among many other things), thus contravening the terms of use.

He is still free to speak, and he certainly does, from many platforms and has a whole party held hostage, in my view, because no-one dares to stop the bully.

By most of the interviews I've heard, civilians are reporting that the Russians have been fairly helpful in trying to allow them to leave the combat zones when they can.  This makes logical sense, and most of the actual evidence that I can see backs that up.

Not true. Putin's army has in many cases shelled civilians trying to flee. There are testimonies and abundant proof, but worry not because the thing about waging a war of aggression against a country that has internet and phones is that there are so many documents and proofs registered that there is no way of re-writing history and it will be reported, studied and publicly exposed to the last criminal act.

[DaRude]

Some talk points that, for those who understand that Putin would not move a finger to protect anyone from "nazis", may actually be worth being discussed:

- There are indications that the railways in Belorussia have been sabotaged, and it seems to be internal. This may cause severe delays in the supplies to Putin's army surrounding Kiev. It could get to the point of his army not being able to defend themselves. This has not been confirmed yet by the major news outlets.
The last group of Belarusian diplomats left Ukraine - report I would definitely not trust that crazy Lukashenko


 

Huh sabotage? where? Article just says Railway services between Ukraine and Belarus have been suspended...I am grateful to the Belarusian railways for what they are doing I only see one railway from Belarus going to contested Chernihiv that would go over Russian controlled territory, so that wouldn't even effect Kyiv, Kharkiv, or Mariupol offensive. Plus they just launched a hypersonic missile, I'm sure they can arrange to get more trucks from Belarus, or in worst case do high altitude air drops of supplies.

Also, The last group of Belarusian diplomats left Ukraine - report I wouldn't trust Lukashenko, pretty sure everyone expects him to join Russia for the final offensive on Kyiv.

Traveling at Mach 5 speed or faster (five times the speed of sound), hypersonic missiles fly into space after launch, but then come down and fly on a flight path similar to an airplane.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/h_9e01d5ebd41b4e75aafb1f9e23fdeaab

Edit: As far as confiscating property, that one always bothered me. Think it's a safe bet that oligarchs finance all their toys with private banking and family offices. So for example if oligarch paid 10% down and after some payments owns 20% equity in the house with the other 80% belonging to Golman Sachs. When that property gets seized does that mean that banks that financed the house are getting screwed for 80%? Would be interesting to see American/Swiss/Hong Kong private banks having to write off billions in losses so UK/EU gets a ton of new houses and some nice boats. Nevertheless good PR move.

There's no doubt that censorship is on the rise in the west. Yeah enjoy your freedom of speech when everyone censors you. No one finds it ironic that Russia is being used as justification of this?

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Not true. Putin's army has in many cases shelled civilians trying to flee. There are testimonies and abundant proof, but worry not because the thing about waging a war of aggression against a country that has internet and phones is that there are so many documents and proofs registered that there is no way of re-writing history and it will be reported, studied and publicly exposed to the last criminal act.

Once again, can you point to any conflict where there are no reports accusing the other side of shelling civilians? USA and Russia didn't ratify ICC so big guys don't care what it has to say, maybe Russia could even sanction ICC like US did?  

While EU are making sanctions against Russia with one hand, they are funding car in Ukraine with another hand by buying fuuel from Russia. Since war started, EU paid over $16 billion for fuel import. Fuel - oil and gas always been main source of income for Russia and it continue to be. Yes, I know that it would be difficult to find replacement for their gas and oil and set up whole supply proccess in such short time, but there is so much hipocrisy in EU actions.
https://www.newsweek.com/eu-paid-russia-16bn-fossil-fuels-since-start-ukraine-war-1689448
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How about USA allowing JPMorgan to process Russia's payment in dollars?  JPMorgan sent the money to Citigroup after it sought and received the required approvals from U.S. authorities on Wednesday are people really just starting to see the hypocrisy?

[TwitchySeal]

Is this a country where people can be themselves and have the right to freedom of speech?

...see Trump's latest podcast with Joe Rogan... if you can find it, since it and its reuploads getting removed in a few hours after they get uploaded.
Luckily commy youtube isn't the only game in town:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WdzbBWQbKhzd/

Freedom of speech like this?

The west banned their own president from every social media there is.

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean a private company can't ban someone from using their platform.  The whole point is to protect the people from being silenced by the government.  Think about how silly you look crying about the head of the government getting banned by private American businesses.  Dry your tears, Trump started his own platform and it's going as expected.

Seized the Russian properties regardless of whom the owner is supporting (seriously why haven't the UK questioned the source of Abramovitz's wealth before?), kicking people out of colleges, not letting Russian people into the restaurants (wtf?)

I haven't been to Russia so I can't say anything about the country but the west's mask has slipped, they are also not what they claim to be.

Jesus, right wing media really going heavy on the "Russia is the victim, lets go Brandon" kool aid. 

If they didn't support Putin, they wouldn't be Oligarchs today.  That's literally the deal they made.

[mindrust]

IMO, in this case, seizing Russian properites isn't something wrong,

If you agree with this then you shouldn't say a word when some other country seizes the western properties. Shit like this cuts both ways. I hate this hypocrisy. The west is free do kill and steal but when some other country does it, it is the worst thing ever happened.

[TwitchySeal]

IMO, in this case, seizing Russian properites isn't something wrong,

If you agree with this then you shouldn't say a word when some other country seizes the western properties. Shit like this cuts both ways. I hate this hypocrisy. The west is free do kill and steal but when some other country does it, it is the worst thing ever happened.

Unless "some other country" is invading an Ally that the US agreed to defend it wouldn't really be the same thing, would it?

[Etranger]

If you agree with this then you shouldn't say a word when some other country seizes the western properties. Shit like this cuts both ways. I hate this hypocrisy. The west is free do kill and steal but when some other country does it, it is the worst thing ever happened.

Why is rhetoric of defending russia for accusing the West of similar actions so popular? Do you understand that your argument is based on substitution of concepts and distraction from the main subject of discussion? Do you also justify one murderer by being convicted by the same murderer? Will this first be less killer after that? And why entangle crimes of the West here now? You can create a separate thread for them. Your accusations against the West in no way diminish or smooth out what the russians are doing to Ukraine now.

[Tash]

................what the russians are doing to Ukraine now.

What is so bad about liberating Donetsk and Luhansk, de-nazify and deal with out of control corruption?

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/in-2015-new-york-times-calls-ukraine-s-azov-regiment-openly-nazi-today-nyt-calls-same-regiment-far-right

[Etranger]

................what the russians are doing to Ukraine now.

What is so bad about liberating Donetsk and Luhansk, de-nazify and deal with out of control corruption?

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/in-2015-new-york-times-calls-ukraine-s-azov-regiment-openly-nazi-today-nyt-calls-same-regiment-far-right

The thing that all this is a lie, created for 25 years by your sick government. And the thing that it not you damn business, even if it was at least slightly true, which is not

[Tash]

................what the russians are doing to Ukraine now.

What is so bad about liberating Donetsk and Luhansk, de-nazify and deal with out of control corruption?

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/in-2015-new-york-times-calls-ukraine-s-azov-regiment-openly-nazi-today-nyt-calls-same-regiment-far-right

The thing that all this is a lie, created for 25 years by your sick government. And the thing that it not you damn business, even if it was at least slightly true, which is not

Which one is a lie, the liberation, the denazification the corruption or all of them?
My sick govenment, no certainly not, i don't have a govenment, currrently i govern myself, been so for some time but may change.
It is Donetsk peoples business and no-one elses.

The Ukrainian State, which declared its independence from Russia in November 1917: https://64.media.tumblr.com/579933e6b9cd0b4576b44f40b86b7704/tumblr_pd06hms45x1xnrvdzo1_640.png   https://tinyurl.com/vvamxhtm


What large scale corruption will do

[suchmoon]

17th century LOL

RT doesn't want you to know this, but...

Ancient Kievan lands... 1000 years ago, since before Moscow even existed.

[Tash]

17th century LOL

RT doesn't want you to know this, but...

Ancient Kievan lands... 1000 years ago, since before Moscow even existed.

Thank you for confirming that the two countries at the center of the dispute Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic never ever have been part of Ukraine other than in Soviet times when Vladimir Lenin  gave it to them.

[paxmao]

There is plenty of history on the formation of any estate, and Ukraine is no different. In modern times, it is the people that live in a region or country that have the right to decide their future and their organisation. It is just silly pretending that you have to go back decades or even centuries and then wage a war on those grounds and certainly Putin does not give a ****k about that.

This war is only about Putin loosing their geostrategic grip and exclusive access on a large part of the former USSR republics, including some of the most strategic and financially critical regions such as the Black Sea and Azov Sea. All the rest is the trolls trying to make noise and trying to blame the war on things that are absolutely irrelevant to Putin and his entourage.

The sad truth is that Putin has failed to seduce, use diplomacy or economically influence those territories and he is using the last resource of the incompetent: war.



And as for how to stop the guy

[af_newbie]

There is plenty of history on the formation of any estate, and Ukraine is no different. In modern times, it is the people that live in a region or country that have the right to decide their future and their organisation. It is just silly pretending that you have to go back decades or even centuries and then wage a war on those grounds and certainly Putin does not give a ****k about that.

This war is only about Putin loosing their geostrategic grip and exclusive access on a large part of the former USSR republics, including some of the most strategic and financially critical regions such as the Black Sea and Azov Sea. All the rest is the trolls trying to make noise and trying to blame the war on things that are absolutely irrelevant to Putin and his entourage.

The sad truth is that Putin has failed to seduce, use diplomacy or economically influence those territories and he is using the last resource of the incompetent: war.



And as for how to stop the guy

War is a team sport.

From what we have seen so far, it looks like Putin is making all military decisions by himself.