Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[be.open]

Ukraine has not even really been bombed yet. I think the blow in the Donbass will not be the last, but rather the first really strong one.

If only the glorious Russian army could man up and fight the real Ukrainian forces instead of killing unarmed civilians:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61036740

More than 1,000 people were crowded into a railway station in eastern Ukraine when it was hit by rockets on Friday, an eyewitness has told the BBC.

At least 39 people died and dozens more were wounded when missiles exploded at Kramatorsk station as civilians were queuing to evacuate, according to the regional governor.

Images from the scene show bodies and abandoned bags lying on the platform.

Ukraine said Russia targeted civilians. Russia has denied the attack.

I think this is another provocation by Ukraine under a false flag, shortly after Bucha. Russia does not have Tochka-U missiles in service, and in the direction of the wreckage, it flew in from the southwest, from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

I think Russia plans to conduct this operation with limited personnel, emphasizing the dominant superiority in military equipment.

Ukraines army is about 240,000.  Russia already has 160,000 in Ukraine and they're rotating in new conscripts.

They have had to scale down their priorities and retreat from the west after losing several times more soldiers in just a month than the last Chechen war, which lasted 10 years.

Maybe Putin wasn't paying attention in "How to invade a country" class when they covered overwhelming force.  Russia is really good at fucking up and making what should be a quick invasion and turning it into a long drawn out blood bath.

The operation had a chance to become fast, but very small. Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, after Russia, it is much larger than Germany or France. When 200 Russian paratroopers, supported by a tank battalion, landed in Gostomel and captured the airport 25 km from Kyiv, which, by the way, was guarded by an elite regiment of Ukraine, trained and equipped to the best NATO standards, with the support of armored vehicles, artillery and aircraft, this could become strong for Ukraine a demotivating factor and a reminder that Russians fight not by numbers, but by skill. But in general, even now events in Ukraine are developing quite quickly.

[suchmoon]

Russia does not have Tochka-U missiles in service

C+ for hitting the correct talking points, solid F for using easily disprovable bullshit.

https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1504828927562424321

New batch of Tochka-U tactical ballistic missiles was brought to Belarus.

Let me guess, they were not planning to use them, just flying them to Belarus for no reason at all because they have nothing better to do during a war.

[be.open]

Russia does not have Tochka-U missiles in service

C+ for hitting the correct talking points, solid F for using easily disprovable bullshit.

https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1504828927562424321

New batch of Tochka-U tactical ballistic missiles was brought to Belarus.

Let me guess, they were not planning to use them, just flying them to Belarus for no reason at all because they have nothing better to do during a war.

You are right, Tochka-U missiles are in service with the armed forces of Belarus. Russia removed Tochka-U from service several years ago, they were completely replaced by Iskanders, which are better in all respects.

Ukraine breaks another bottom in its fakes. Arestovich first stated that the blow was delivered by Iskander, but the tail section was preserved and it became clear from the plumage that this was the Ukrainian Tochka-U, which had flown in from the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It's a shame for Ukraine to fire cluster munitions at civilians.

[suchmoon]

You are right, Tochka-U missiles are in service with the armed forces of Belarus. Russia removed Tochka-U from service several years ago, they were completely replaced by Iskanders, which are better in all respects.

Those are not Belarusian missiles in the pictures. Nor are these: https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1509099435262976000 or these: https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1458271.html

[be.open]

You are right, Tochka-U missiles are in service with the armed forces of Belarus. Russia removed Tochka-U from service several years ago, they were completely replaced by Iskanders, which are better in all respects.

Those are not Belarusian missiles in the pictures. Nor are these: https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1509099435262976000 or these: https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1458271.html

Are you seriously? On the first link, some kind of convoy of troops is traveling through the territory of Belarus, on the second link from last year there is a link inside, which directly states that by the end of 2021 all Tochka-U missiles of this unit will be replaced with Iskanders. Some ridiculous attempts to attract false evidence of Russia's participation, when it is obvious that a Ukrainian missile was fired from the Ukrainian side. The same one that flew to Donetsk three weeks ago.

[suchmoon]

some kind of convoy of troops is traveling through the territory of Belarus

What kind of convoy could it be? Ukrainian forces in Belarus? Belarusian forces decided to paint "V" on their vehicles?

by the end of 2021 all Tochka-U missiles of this unit will be replaced with Iskanders

Russia removed Tochka-U from service several years ago

Ok then, one debunked lie at a time.

The same one that flew to Donetsk three weeks ago

I don't think that's how missiles work, but if it's really the same then it was in possession of DNR, wasn't it?

[be.open]

I don't think that's how missiles work, but if it's really the same then it was in possession of DNR, wasn't it?

Three weeks ago, a Ukrainian Tochka-U missile flew into Donetsk, they managed to shoot it down, but there were still casualties. In Kramatorsk, they did not even try to shoot down the rocket and the cluster munition went off right in the thick of people at the station.

I think Ukraine just doesn't want civilians to leave Kramatorsk to the east, they want to keep using the tactic of hiding behind civilians as human shields. In this area, a blow to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Russia is brewing, there are rumors that a fresh armored corps has been brought up from Kursk.

Ok then, one debunked lie at a time.

In your fantasies, you can debunk anything. It is quite easy to determine with great accuracy where the rocket came from, it was fired from a distance of 45 km southwest of Kramatorsk.

[af_newbie]

I don't think that's how missiles work, but if it's really the same then it was in possession of DNR, wasn't it?

Three weeks ago, a Ukrainian Tochka-U missile flew into Donetsk, they managed to shoot it down, but there were still casualties. In Kramatorsk, they did not even try to shoot down the rocket and the cluster munition went off right in the thick of people at the station.

I think Ukraine just doesn't want civilians to leave Kramatorsk to the east, they want to keep using the tactic of hiding behind civilians as human shields. In this area, a blow to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Russia is brewing, there are rumors that a fresh armored corps has been brought up from Kursk.

Ok then, one debunked lie at a time.

In your fantasies, you can debunk anything. It is quite easy to determine with great accuracy where the rocket came from, it was fired from a distance of 45 km southwest of Kramatorsk.

Hmm.

You are the victim of Russian propaganda.

Anyway, the solution is to cancel Russia, stop ALL trade with Russia, and kill all of its soldiers.

Anything else would not eradicate this cancer.

This Russian imperialist ideology will not die until its architects, planners, and executioners are killed.

[suchmoon]

I think Ukraine just doesn't want civilians to leave Kramatorsk to the east

People in the train station were waiting to go west. There are no trains going east. It would be absurd to evacuate towards the front line, of course people are trying to get away from the war.

And:

Kramatorsk local authorities were starting to evacuating residents by buses and cars, according to the mayor of the city Oleksandr Honcharenko.

"Today we are starting an emergency evacuation of people with all public transport, all private transport. We are looking for drivers. Approximate 30-40 drivers are needed as of today," Honcharenko said during an online briefing.

[TwitchySeal]

The operation had a chance to become fast, but very small. Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, after Russia, it is much larger than Germany or France.

Your excuses for Russias military failures aren't true, and even if they were, they don't make sense - unless you're trying to say Putin was surprised at how large Ukraine was geographically after he tried to overthrow their government.

If you include Crimea and Donbass, Ukraine is only slightly bigger than France.



If you don't consider Crimea and Donbass as part of Ukraine, France is actually larger.

You are the victim of Russian propaganda.

[Branko]

I would be grateful if people from Ukraine and Russia could comment this video
(and point what's possibly wrong/untrue):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhkJZ3Dyb4

[paxmao]

I think Ukraine just doesn't want civilians to leave Kramatorsk to the east

People in the train station were waiting to go west. There are no trains going east. It would be absurd to evacuate towards the front line, of course people are trying to get away from the war.

And:

Kramatorsk local authorities were starting to evacuating residents by buses and cars, according to the mayor of the city Oleksandr Honcharenko.

"Today we are starting an emergency evacuation of people with all public transport, all private transport. We are looking for drivers. Approximate 30-40 drivers are needed as of today," Honcharenko said during an online briefing.

There is no sense in a false flag operation targeting a railway station in such an strategic location. It is a very valuable infrastructure that, at the moment is taking people west, but may also bring troops to the east.

If you wanted to further raise aversion to Putin's military there are targets without any strategic value and plenty of civilians. That is, if you are a total sociopath and this makes sense to you.

No, this was a planned attack to an strategic infrastructure and the fact that there were civilians was indifferent to the psychotic strategists in Putin's army.

You are the victim of Russian propaganda.

The more the Second World War came to an end, the closer were the German victories to Berlin.

You are talking about the tactical retreat / victory in Kyiv?

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In your fantasies, you can debunk anything. It is quite easy to determine with great accuracy where the rocket came from, it was fired from a distance of 45 km southwest of Kramatorsk.

And in your fantasies you can "prove" anything. Even if you are not presenting any evidence. The missile came from Shakhtarsk.

[af_newbie]

I would be grateful if people from Ukraine and Russia could comment this video
(and point what's possibly wrong/untrue):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhkJZ3Dyb4

He is an apologist for state terrorism.

[Branko]

I would be grateful if people from Ukraine and Russia could comment this video
(and point what's possibly wrong/untrue):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhkJZ3Dyb4

He is an apologist for state terrorism.

I asked about facts or lies, not moral stance

[suchmoon]

The more the Second World War came to an end, the closer were the German victories to Berlin.

You are talking about the tactical retreat / victory in Kyiv?

It sounds like he's talking about Putin's "victories" getting closer to Moscow. Soon we'll be hearing about Russians heroically looting Voronezh to prevent anything valuable from falling into the hands of nazis.

[paxmao]

The more the Second World War came to an end, the closer were the German victories to Berlin.

You are talking about the tactical retreat / victory in Kyiv?

It sounds like he's talking about Putin's "victories" getting closer to Moscow. Soon we'll be hearing about Russians heroically looting Voronezh to prevent anything valuable from falling into the hands of nazis.

I think some of the posts here help so much the Ukrainian cause. I mean, the ones from be.open mostly.

[LTU_btc]

I think this is another provocation by Ukraine under a false flag, shortly after Bucha. Russia does not have Tochka-U missiles in service, and in the direction of the wreckage, it flew in from the southwest, from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

I didn't expected to hear something different from you. Ok, let's debunk it:
1. Russian forces used Tochka-U in military training in Belarus just before war in Ukraine:
https://rg.ru/2022/02/15/na-ucheniiah-v-belarusi-otrabatyvaiut-puski-raket-i-podderzhku-oboroniaiushchihsia-vojsk.html
It's also possibe that attack was made using Belarus owned Tochka-U, but I don't think that it change something.
2. You're saying that it flew from southwest, but there is reports and video taht Tochka-U was released from Shakhtarsk direction, which is controlled by Russia:
https://t.me/itsdonetsk/11817
3. Kramatorsk station was hited on 10:30 AM local time, but on Russian media there was message about it on 10:25 AM local time. Interesting that tweet was made via TweetDeck - tool used to make scheduled tweets:
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1512345886268997632
4. Day before this attack on one pro-Russian Telegram channel there was post for people who are leaving Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and near cities suggesting to avoid railway transport:
https://imgur.com/TVZMOlu
And after all, I don't see why Ukraine would need to kill their own citizens, especially in such expensive way - they don't have that much Tochka-U missiles.

[suchmoon]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

[TwitchySeal]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

"I hope they don't find all the gold we buried in the red forest"

[Tash]

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

"The Russian military went through all Ukrainian clothes, personal belongings, like dogs, in search of, probably, money, valuables, laptops,"

There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.
This is still a pro Bitcoin forum, is't it?