Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

Totally disgusting. Anybody who likes the Zelensky regime should go and fight for them so this kind of thing doesn't happen.


Kiev Regime About To Recruit Children In Schools


https://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/kiev-regime-about-to-recruit-children?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Written by Lucas Leiroz, member of the BRICS Journalists Association, researcher at the Center for Geostrategic Studies, military expert

Forced to continue fighting, the Kiev regime is desperately trying to supply its troops on the front lines with new recruits. Having already exhausted its reserves, the Ukrainian government is now betting on recruiting children in schools as an efficient way of replacing its casualties on the battlefield. From a realistic point of view, however, such a measure tends to further increase the regime's unpopularity.

A bill is being discussed in the Ukrainian Parliament to establish basic military training in the country's schools. Ukrainian high school students would be required to undergo military training classes in schools, in which they would learn basic combat lessons, weapons handling, as well as receiving a "patriotic education" – which in Ukraine, as well known, basically means neo-Nazi, anti-Russian brainwashing.
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[paxmao]

The aid to Ukraine has been signed by Biden, which was the only step left to start getting the supplies to Ukraine. Most of these are stored in Europe so they will start arriving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIxPNggr0U

Biden says the U.S. will send weapons to Ukraine within 'hours'

To put things into perspective, this was all the aid sent to Ukraine from January 2022 to January 2024. It is easy to see that is a huge package.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

This is just all the aid until 5 months ago, just for measure.



And today it is Feodosia's turn to be attacked by drones, at an oil depot be the victim of someone smoking in the wrong place. It seems that there are plenty of places that can be easily be attacked by Ukrainian drones have people smoking around.

Maybe the resident trolls would like to evaluate how expensive this was and what little difference it makes, etc...?

https://t.me/feodosiyachat/132088

Edited to add: It seems that Ukraine is preferentially targeting Ruzzia air defence. Preparing the ground for the F-16?

[DaRude]

As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades

The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
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Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade raced several miles along the railroad threading west from Avdiivka and captured most of Ocheretyne—and potentially also Novobakhmutivka, the village south of Ocheretyne.

It’s the fastest penetration into Ukrainian territory by Russian forces in months—and it threatens to collapse Ukraine’s defensive line west of Avdiivka. A line that has held for months, but now has a deep and widening gap in it. “Pandora's box is open,” Ukrainian analysis group Deep State commented.

To get a sense of how frightened Ukrainian commanders are right now, consider the brigade they rushed into the breach north and west of Ocheretyne: the 100th Mechanized Brigade. The brigade is one of the newest and most lightly-equipped brigades in the Ukrainian army—and seemingly unsuited for the kind of front-line triage commanders are asking of it.
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The 115th Mechanized Brigade was supposed to take the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s place in Ocheretyne, seamlessly filling the same fighting positions with enough troops to maintain the integrity of the defensive line west of Avdiivka.

But something went wrong. According to Mykola Melnyk, the famed 47th Mechanized Brigade company commander who lost a leg during Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, “certain units just fucked off.”

The 115th Mechanized Brigade’s failure to hold the line practically invited the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade into Ocheretyne—and triggered a panicky response in Ukrainian headquarters. Commanders ordered the battle-weary 47th Mechanized Brigade to turn around and return to the front line. They also ordered the 100th Mechanized Brigade to counterattack.
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That the Ukrainians had to rush into a combat a comparatively weak brigade speaks to the paucity of Ukraine’s reserves west of Avdiivka, however. The Russians, for their part, are keeping an entire tank division, the 90th, in reserve around Avdiivka.

If the 90th Tank Division rolls into Ocheretyne before the Ukrainian eastern command mobilizes additional reinforcements, the Russian penetration could widen into a full-fledged breakthrough—one that could force tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops to retreat west to their next line of defenses.

Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?

[paxmao]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/back-stock-state-russias-defense-industry-after-two-years-war

How a frog boils, but does not get out of the pan:

Ruzzia is planning to increase their weapons production, which can obviously be expected as the "Three days to Kiev" was cancelled and this is of course possible in a country were you can just ignore if the people would rather have better schools or better medical care.

What is significant is that the investment is not going to the latest in missiles, fifth gen fighters or sophisticated weapons that can penetrate any defence. They are going to produce... more shells. This gives an idea of how devastating this war has been for the best and most irreplaceable production of Ruzzia, now centering the efforts in first world war dumb explosives.

Given the size of the frog, this is not something to be taken lightly, but is a clear indication of how the future looks like for Ruzzia and for their reputation as weapons exporter too.

My guess? Putin is praying for a Trump victory, but should be careful of what he wishes on that regard.

One of the main developments has been the rapid emergence and massive scaling up of Russian civilian and military drones providing significant ISR and assault capabilities to the Russian armed forces, often launched with missiles for a maximum impact.

 While Russia has also invested in the production of modern tanks, ammunition, and EW systems, CSIS research has revealed Moscow is not self-sufficient and relies on partners such as Iran and North Korea to field enough of these weapons on the battlefield. The analysis has also shown that while Russia indeed improved its domestic arms production capacity in 2023 compared to 2022, it has nonetheless continued to tap into its Soviet-era stockpiles by, for instance, refurbishing and sending its 60- and 70-year-old tanks to Ukraine. Overall, last year saw Russia transition into a long war of attrition while increasingly shifting to low-cost and lower-quality weapons systems.

Smells of frog.

Wow.... I think that some people are going to think that I read this before my posting about future strategy...

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More precisely, Western policymakers trying to support the Ukrainian war effort should do
the following:
▪ Continue supplying higher-end military equipment to Ukraine at a pace that exceeds
Russia’s production rate.
[...]
▪ Target Russia’s oil revenues.[...]The main way to seriously undermine Russia’s capacity
to increase spending on its defense industrial sector is by targeting its oil revenues
[...]
▪ Close sanctions loopholes and enforce existing export controls.
[...]
▪ Collaborate with the countries of the Global South. T
[...]
▪ Begin planning for a strengthened and empowered European defense industry.
[...]

dude... I should get paid for this.

To the stupid stuff...

As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades

The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
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Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?

Yes, a light brigade inadequately armed left positions. Another one was sent to stabilise. A not really unusual fuck-up, not a "collapse" but certain you are giving here a real frog leap into calling for recruiting teens. BTW women are already fighting for Ukraine, given a gun, they kill Ruzzis perfectly well.

But hey... perhaps they should learn from Ruzzia and send teenagers into military targets and then claim they were hit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelabuga_drone_factory

n July 2023, an investigation revealed the factory recruits students of Alabuga Polytech, a branch of the Yelabuga Polytechnic College, as workers, some as young as 15. As of August 2023, the factory had several hundred students employed.[11] The students were promised a job and locally competitive salary of up to 70,000 rubles (US$700) per month as part of a work experience program. Instead, students enrolled were encouraged, and in some cases pressured, into working at the drone facility where their salaries are contingent on meeting production quotas

In a 2 April 2024 offensive, the drone factory was struck by an improvised drone apparently adapted from a civilian light aircraft, likely an Aeroprakt A-22. Ukraine's military intelligence said the strike "caused significant destruction of production facilities".[2] Local governor Rustam Minnikhanov said the attack brought no serious damage or disruption to production.[19][2] Russian media reported a nearby workers' dormitory was damaged, with 12 injured.[20][21]

So, following your theory, Ruzzia is winning so big that they use teens in a drone factory, in which they get killed because Ukraine cannot hit Ruzzia???

Boil frog boil.

[paxmao]

One must think why the 60 billion aid to Ukraine has been passed with the support of absolutely all democrats, but also by nearly half of the Republicans. There is no doubt that the representatives had to come and face the truth: The US voters do want to help Ukraine and want Ukraine to succeed.

Putin has been defeated in the political US fight. Have no doubt he has done the best he could on regards to stopping the aid, buying wills and throwing money and extortion to the problem. But he failed. And is not like a one vote fail, is like 100 of 200 fail.

Trump has been absent from the conversation, but this is a political loss on his stance about Ukraine, within his own party - at most, coming off his usual naps during his trial for paying a sex professional - he tweeted that this is very costly and thee like. I guess that he is trying very hard to ignore that two thirds of that money goes directly to several US states currently held by Republicans - e.g. Mississippi or Texas in the form of military contracts of huge sizes.

This is a full-blown diplomatic and political catastrophe for Putin, who can brag about some advances in the front, but at this point clearly understands that the current strategy of using FAB and then sending the "turtle tanks" may be short lived.

[BADecker]

Ukraine is becoming so desperate.


Ukraine suspends visa renewals for military-aged Ukrainians living overseas as punishment for NOT DYING in battle with Russia


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-04-25-ukraine-suspends-renewals-military-ukranians-living-overseas.html
The Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs has announced that the country’s consulates abroad will be temporarily suspending all services to men aged 18 to 60 in what appears to be nothing more than a bid to force them to return home so they can fight in the war.

The country is currently grappling with a shortage of troops as they continue to battle Russia and hold the front line. The Russian army is currently much larger and better equipped than its Ukrainian counterpart, and Ukraine appears to be fighting a losing battle.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba explained the motivation for the measures in a statement on X, writing: "How it looks like now: a man of conscription age went abroad, showed his state that he does not care about its survival, and then comes and wants to receive services from this state. It does not work this way. Our country is at war. Staying abroad does not relieve a citizen of his or her duties to the Homeland."

The foreign ministry will be clarifying what military-aged men need to do to obtain consular services soon, but it is almost certain they will be forced to return home. A published letter indicated Ukrainian consulates will only issue documents to men in this age range abroad that enable them to return home to Ukraine, and the consulates in Prague and Barcelona have already stopped offering services to men of military age.

The state passport service issued a statement of its own indicating it cannot help Ukrainians abroad, saying: "Unfortunately, due to technical reasons, the issuance of ready-made documents in foreign branches of SE (State Enterprise) Document has been suspended."

According to the Eurostat database, around 4.3 million Ukrainians are currently registered in EU countries. Around 20% of them, or 860,000, are adult men.

Right now, Ukrainian men who are younger than 60 are forbidden from traveling abroad under martial law, but many are trying to avoid the draft by either attempting to bribe officials or by hiding somewhere within the country.
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[paxmao]

The strategic planning of this war is known and now it is just a question of the US & Europe being able to execute the actions required. The "infinite" recruitment capacity of Ruzzia, its unlimited manpower are all myths. The frog needs unfortunately more boiling - this is part of the price to pay for all the time Ruzzia has ignored treaties - you cannot negotiate with such a bad faith in front.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-military-objectives-and-capacity-ukraine-through-2024

Russian forces are likely to peak in late 2024, with increasing material challenges over the course of 2025.

[...]
 Russia faces significant limitations in the longevity and reliability of its industrial output. Of the tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, for example, approximately 80% are not new production but are instead refurbished and modernised from Russian war stocks. The number of systems held in storage means that while Russia can maintain a consistent output through 2024, it will begin to find that vehicles require deeper refurbishment through 2025, and by 2026 it will have exhausted most of the available stocks.
[...]

Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has assessed an industrial requirement to manufacture or source approximately 4 million 152mm and 1.6 million 122mm artillery shells in 2024. Russian industry has reported to the MoD that it expects to increase 152mm production from around 1 million rounds in 2023 to 1.3 million rounds over the course of 2024, and to only produce 800,000 122mm rounds over the same period. Moreover, the Russian MoD does not believe it can significantly raise production in subsequent years

[...]

Beyond 2026, attrition of systems will begin to materially degrade Russian combat power, while Russian industry could be disrupted sufficiently by that point, making Russia's prospects decline over time.

[BADecker]

Well, I'm glad that the US is getting something for their money. I mean, killing all those troops off on both sides should be worth something, right? But it seems that one of the things that the US is doing is training Russia in their advancements... by accident, of course.


U.S. military and contractors are exploiting Ukraine conflict to test AI-powered military technology


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-04-26-military-contractors-using-ukraine-test-artificial-intelligence.html
The military-industrial complex of the United States is allegedly using Russia's special military operation in Ukraine to test new artificial intelligence (AI)-powered military technology that assists in detecting targets on the battlefield utilizing drone footage.

The technology, referred to as Project Maven, had its research acquired from the government by Google under a contract six years ago before being acquired recently by other contractors following opposition from engineers and other employees who did not want to be associated with creating an AI tool for military use.

Today, the technology is being tested on the front line in Ukraine, the New York Times reported, as Western and Ukrainian officers, together with some top military contractors from Silicon Valley, are "exploring new ways of finding and exploiting Russian vulnerabilities."

Thus far, the findings from the testing have reportedly been "mixed." While Project Maven permits commanders to identify the movements of Russian forces and utilize AI algorithms to predict their next steps, it has seemingly been "difficult" to bring "21st-century data into 19th-century trenches."

One of the biggest obstacles, the New York Times said, is that due to restrictions enforced by President Joe Biden, the U.S. military can only supply Ukrainians a "picture of the battlefield" without providing exact targeting details.

It is also unclear if the latest technology would even be able to alter the course of the war due to Russia's ability to adapt to emerging technologies being employed by Ukraine.
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[be.open]

As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades

The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
...
Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade raced several miles along the railroad threading west from Avdiivka and captured most of Ocheretyne—and potentially also Novobakhmutivka, the village south of Ocheretyne.

It’s the fastest penetration into Ukrainian territory by Russian forces in months—and it threatens to collapse Ukraine’s defensive line west of Avdiivka. A line that has held for months, but now has a deep and widening gap in it. “Pandora's box is open,” Ukrainian analysis group Deep State commented.

To get a sense of how frightened Ukrainian commanders are right now, consider the brigade they rushed into the breach north and west of Ocheretyne: the 100th Mechanized Brigade. The brigade is one of the newest and most lightly-equipped brigades in the Ukrainian army—and seemingly unsuited for the kind of front-line triage commanders are asking of it.
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The 115th Mechanized Brigade was supposed to take the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s place in Ocheretyne, seamlessly filling the same fighting positions with enough troops to maintain the integrity of the defensive line west of Avdiivka.

But something went wrong. According to Mykola Melnyk, the famed 47th Mechanized Brigade company commander who lost a leg during Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, “certain units just fucked off.”

The 115th Mechanized Brigade’s failure to hold the line practically invited the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade into Ocheretyne—and triggered a panicky response in Ukrainian headquarters. Commanders ordered the battle-weary 47th Mechanized Brigade to turn around and return to the front line. They also ordered the 100th Mechanized Brigade to counterattack.
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That the Ukrainians had to rush into a combat a comparatively weak brigade speaks to the paucity of Ukraine’s reserves west of Avdiivka, however. The Russians, for their part, are keeping an entire tank division, the 90th, in reserve around Avdiivka.

If the 90th Tank Division rolls into Ocheretyne before the Ukrainian eastern command mobilizes additional reinforcements, the Russian penetration could widen into a full-fledged breakthrough—one that could force tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops to retreat west to their next line of defenses.

Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?

Everyone here is too keen on discussing US assistance to be distracted by such trifles as the breakthrough in Ocheretino. Although he pretty much confused the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukraine still cannot stabilize the front line.

[BADecker]

Hot off the presses. But look at the titles to see that this stuff is happening right now.


Another Russian Oil Refinery Hit By Ukrainian Kamikaze Drones - https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/another-russian-oil-refinery-hit-kamikaze-drones-ukraine-attacks-putins-oil-funding-war.


NATO starts deploying troops as Russia races to win - https://asiatimes.com/2024/04/nato-starts-deploying-troops-as-russia-races-to-win/.


Russia Will Target US Nuclear Weapons In Poland If They Appear - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-will-target-us-nuclear-weapons-poland-if-they-appear.

[paxmao]

Hot off the presses. But look at the titles to see that this stuff is happening right now.


Another Russian Oil Refinery Hit By Ukrainian Kamikaze Drones - https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/another-russian-oil-refinery-hit-kamikaze-drones-ukraine-attacks-putins-oil-funding-war.


NATO starts deploying troops as Russia races to win - https://asiatimes.com/2024/04/nato-starts-deploying-troops-as-russia-races-to-win/.


Russia Will Target US Nuclear Weapons In Poland If They Appear - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-will-target-us-nuclear-weapons-poland-if-they-appear.

Yes Ukraine has recently hit another refinery, not far from the front.

NATO has already deployed troops in Ukraine, but not for combat. As usual there are "advisors" meaning military intelligence officers, mainetenance & technical personnel, etc. It is not only Macron who is exremely angry at Putin for waging this stupid war.

There is zero chance of Ruzzia targeting any nuclear weapon as of now. It is just ridiculous. I guess deploying nukes in Poland would be a good response to the Ruzzian weapons in BealoruZZia.

Edited to add: Two main strikes actually, one a Refinery in Smolesnk (around 300 km from the border with Ukraine), but also in Krasnoyarskii (more than 500 km from dnipro), a depot of gliding bombs / gliding kits . It is evident that Ukraine knew what to hit. As more of a psy op, a helicopter was burned (and filmed while the sabotage was being carried out for proof) in an aerodrome in Moscow.

Both of these strikes are level God in difficulty, as they have to fly over the in theory protected territory where the Ruzzian army is.

[Branko]

I think this sums it up pretty well:

[BADecker]

But the real question about paxmao is, is he sincere, or is he trying to hide the fact of what Russia is doing on other scenes around the world. Consider that Russia is moving into Africa while the US is moving out. People are people, even in Africa. Give them a good start, and they can build your military equipment for you. Check out the map at the site.


We have a Hot War in Cold Places AND A Cold war in Hot Places


https://www.linkedin.com/posts/drpippam_we-have-a-hot-war-in-cold-places-and-a-cold-activity-7189574708600692736-nql_?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
We have a Hot War in Cold Places AND A Cold war in Hot Places. It's incredible that the press covers the war in Ukraine but does't explain that the supply lines for it come from Africa. The Wagner Group has been formally absorbed into the Russian military and renamed The Africa Corps for a reason. Russia has won immense territory across Africa, giving them presence, cash flow and influence that the West isn't even cognizant of. We're witnessing geopolitical cognitive dissonance. https://lnkd.in/eW8w9MNa

These maps matter. The red map shows Russian military MOUs across Africa. Now we are losing and withdrawing.

Eric Schmitt @EricSchmittNYT The The New York Times writes "U.S. to Withdraw Troops From Chad, Dealing Another Blow to Africa Policy" https://lnkd.in/eKFgXgJN

Ed D'Agostino

John Mauldin

NATO

NATO Defense College Royal Military Academy Sandhurst

Royal College of Defence Studies

U.S. Naval War College

CENTCOM Global, Inc.

NATO DIANA
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[paxmao]

Among all the list of new supplies to Ukraine, there is a line that seems not that important:

Equipment for the integration of Western launchers, rockets and radars with Ukrainian air defense systems;

However this means much more that it looks at first. An integration of the air defence systems passed or existing in Ukraine with other NATO systems... what could this mean? Will the US AWACS and predators that are permanently observing the black sea and the frontlines be now integrated with Ukraine's air defence?

My guess is that NATO can perfectly spot any of the planes that are launching the FABs (probably Ukraine's unresolved issue at the front). Passing that information in real time and with accurate coordinates to Ukraine's ground to air systems may be the beginning of the end of the Ruzzian advantage.

[Branko]

Among all the list of new supplies to Ukraine, there is a line that seems not that important:

Equipment for the integration of Western launchers, rockets and radars with Ukrainian air defense systems;

However this means much more that it looks at first. An integration of the air defence systems passed or existing in Ukraine with other NATO systems... what could this mean? Will the US AWACS and predators that are permanently observing the black sea and the frontlines be now integrated with Ukraine's air defence?

My guess is that NATO can perfectly spot any of the planes that are launching the FABs (probably Ukraine's unresolved issue at the front). Passing that information in real time and with accurate coordinates to Ukraine's ground to air systems may be the beginning of the end of the Ruzzian advantage.

They're already integrated, most of those systems are operated by foreign "advisers"

[BADecker]

Zelensky gone from Ukraine will be a good thing. Of course, if he isn't assassinated, he will simply retire to one of his homes... maybe the one in Florida. Will whoever takes his place be worse? Or will Ukraine simply do the smart thing and capitulate to Russia?


“It’s OVER For Ukraine & Zelensky Will Be GONE Within 60 Days.” Col. Douglas MacGregor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttfALsoQx0.

[paxmao]

Zelensky gone from Ukraine will be a good thing. Of course, if he isn't assassinated, he will simply retire to one of his homes... maybe the one in Florida. Will whoever takes his place be worse? Or will Ukraine simply do the smart thing and capitulate to Russia?


“It’s OVER For Ukraine & Zelensky Will Be GONE Within 60 Days.” Col. Douglas MacGregor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttfALsoQx0.

I see his mouth, I do not see his money. I am going to quote this one so that the next time you quote him I can recall this.

Anyway...

Col. Douglas Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army Colonel Combat Veteran, author, and a defense and foreign policy consultant. He is the CEO of Our Country Our Choice, a new company designed to unite Americans "to create a stronger, more prosperous and secure" country.

Yaicksss....smells of Putin's purse all over.

I’m RJ, a devoted Christian and a father of four children. I own a small business and have a deep love for our country and its people. I invested my financial resources, time, and energy to support Trump in both 2015 and 2020.

So... sure a veeery convincing source here.

Among all the list of new supplies to Ukraine, there is a line that seems not that important:

Equipment for the integration of Western launchers, rockets and radars with Ukrainian air defense systems;

However this means much more that it looks at first. An integration of the air defence systems passed or existing in Ukraine with other NATO systems... what could this mean? Will the US AWACS and predators that are permanently observing the black sea and the frontlines be now integrated with Ukraine's air defence?

My guess is that NATO can perfectly spot any of the planes that are launching the FABs (probably Ukraine's unresolved issue at the front). Passing that information in real time and with accurate coordinates to Ukraine's ground to air systems may be the beginning of the end of the Ruzzian advantage.

They're already integrated, most of those systems are operated by foreign "advisers"

I disagree and you do not have any believable source. The systems are not Ukrainian and every nation has the right to operate their own equipment in their territory and in international airspace. They are also free to use the intelligence gathered as they see fit.

But enough of silly stuff, my guess is that such integration is going towards creating a balanced if not Ukrainian superior sky in the frontlines. Air defences, F-16s that should be soon arriving will be able to see and target with a minutes time with integrated systems.

[Branko]

I disagree and you do not have any believable source. The systems are not Ukrainian and every nation has the right to operate their own equipment in their territory and in international airspace. They are also free to use the intelligence gathered as they see fit.

But enough of silly stuff, my guess is that such integration is going towards creating a balanced if not Ukrainian superior sky in the frontlines. Air defences, F-16s that should be soon arriving will be able to see and target with a minutes time with integrated systems.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/25/european-trained-ukrainian-f-16-pilots-will-not-be-ready-until-late-2024_6669456_4.html

Whole "F16 training" is a sham, ask any experienced pilot. Training program serves as a cover for a fact
that planes will be operated by western pilots

[Kruella88]

I disagree and you do not have any believable source. The systems are not Ukrainian and every nation has the right to operate their own equipment in their territory and in international airspace. They are also free to use the intelligence gathered as they see fit.

But enough of silly stuff, my guess is that such integration is going towards creating a balanced if not Ukrainian superior sky in the frontlines. Air defences, F-16s that should be soon arriving will be able to see and target with a minutes time with integrated systems.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/25/european-trained-ukrainian-f-16-pilots-will-not-be-ready-until-late-2024_6669456_4.html

Whole "F16 training" is a sham, ask any experienced pilot. Training program serves as a cover for a fact
that planes will be operated by western pilots

We would rather hand them over to Ukraine, it's time to close the sky.

[Branko]

We would rather hand them over to Ukraine, it's time to close the sky.

Its not a video game, you can't just "hand them over to Ukraine" and hope for the best.
There is a reason why pilot training is slow and takes time, those are not WW1 planes

https://flightdecksolutions.com/our-fleet/F-16