Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

Got a credible link?

Yes

That's way out of his league. This comes first.

Lol. You jokers simply aren't following reality. Of course, since you follow your comedian hero, Zelensky, it's understandable.

Take a look at the bottom statement in this post. It's bolded so that you can find it easily. You really need to head out there and help your poor, little, comedian comrade so that he doesn't lose the war. Lol.


Pentagon Is Starting To Restrict Flow Of Military Aid To Ukraine As Money Runs Out


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out
With war funding for both Ukraine and Israel now seemingly snarled up beyond repair in Congress, on Thursday the Pentagon said that funding delays have forced the US to begin restricting the flow of military assistance to Ukraine, and the Pentagon has only $1 billion left to replenish stocks of weapons that were sent to the country, according to a spokeswoman.

"We have had to meter out our support for Ukraine," Deputy Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh told reporters. "We're going to continue to roll out packages but they are getting smaller."

Singh urged Congress to break a deadlock and approve the Biden administration's $61.4 billion request for emergency funds for Ukraine's fight against Russia, part of a masive $106 billion package that would include aid for Israel and the US-Mexico border, but which now has virtually no chance of passing.
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Zelensky “deludes” himself into thinking Ukraine can win the war, aide says


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-10-zelensky-deludes-himself-ukraine-win-war-aide.html
Despite an utterly failed counteroffensive coupled with massively waning support from the West, Ukrainian president and former stripper Volodymyr Zelensky is said to be telling his top advisors that he still believes Ukraine will win the war against Russia.

One of Zelensky's closest aides told TIME magazine that Zelensky has completely deluded himself into believing that Ukraine will win, and "does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace" – and why would he if U.S. taxpayers continue footing the bill while he continues to funnel young Ukrainian men and women in to the woodchopper known as war?

"On the contrary," the aide added, "[Zelensky's] belief in Ukraine's ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisors. It is immovable, verging on the messianic."

The aide said point-blank that Zelensky "deludes himself" with these visions of victorious grandeur, even though they hold no basis in reality and are making Zelensky appear crazy.

"We're out of options," the aide added. "We're not winning. But try telling him that."

The idea of even trying to negotiate peace or even just a temporary truce with Russia remains a taboo subject for Zelensky, who refuses to back down no matter what.

"For us, it would mean leaving this wound open for future generations," Zelensky himself told TIME about the reasoning behind his position.

"Maybe it will calm some people down inside our country, and outside, at least those who want to wrap things up at any price. But for me, that's a problem, because we are left with this explosive force. We only delay its detonation."

(Related: All those U.S. tax dollars being shipped off to Ukraine are being used by Zelensky and his buddies to expand their wallets.)

Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders
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[paxmao]

Got a credible link?

Yes

That's way out of his league. This comes first.

Lol. You jokers simply aren't following reality. Of course, since you follow your comedian hero, Zelensky, it's understandable.
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First of all, I am not joking, I think you really need to go back to secondary school, unless you are there already, which would explain lots of things.

Now to real people doing real things: The west bank of the dnipro river is starting to be a serious issue for Ruzzia. The Ukrainians are making gains in what looks as a nearly unopposed landing, as the Ruzzian orcs in the area seem not to have those vehicles and means that have been sent to Avdiivka - the price to pay for doing WW I meat attacks I guess.

[TwitchySeal]

Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders

Putin sending Russian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders

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Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi. One milblogger emphasized on November 11 that the Russian practice of conducting tactical assaults intended to storm Ukrainian fortified positions in forest areas of Donbas will not translate into a wider operational breakthrough anywhere on the front.[18] The milblogger noted that there is no way to train enough Russian personnel for the intensive frontal assaults required for significant advances in Ukraine.[19] Another milblogger claimed that the Russian military is about to experience a "real renaissance of infantry combat" because there are fewer tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and armored personnel carriers (APCs) close to the frontline.[20] A critical milblogger responded to the "infantry renaissance" comment and remarked that the comment is a negative reflection of Russian equipment losses and poor frontline coordination that has created a reliance on assault tactics.[21] A Russian Spetsnaz-affiliated Telegram channel additionally complained that the reliance on infantry-led frontal assaults is heavily attriting all Spetsnaz elements that have deployed to Ukraine because the Russian command has reportedly been using Spetsnaz forces for frontal assaults since the beginning of the war.[22] Spetsnaz forces are not meant to conduct such infantry-led assaults like standard Russian motorized rifle infantry, and some Russian sources are clearly frustrated with the ramifications of the misapplication of such Spetsnaz elements.

ISW has previously observed that Russian forces are increasingly relying on such infantry-led frontal assaults, likely to compensate for a lack of adequately trained personnel and due to widespread equipment losses.[23] The Russian General Staff appears to be relying heavily on frontal assaults as the predominant tactic in Ukraine as an important part of the Russian solution to the problems of "military parity" laid out by Zaluzhnyi's essay on the issue of "positional warfare."[24]

[18] https://t.me/boris_rozhin/103558

[19] https://t.me/boris_rozhin/103558

[20] https://t.me/akela_zavtra/40

[21] https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2943

[22] https://t.me/ok_spn/27558; https://t.me/grey_zone/21710

[23] https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-30-2023;%C2%A0https://isw.pub/UkrWar110123

[24] https://infographics.economist.com/2023/ExternalContent/ZALUZHNYI_FULL_VERSION.pdf

[paxmao]

Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders

[...] OVERSIZE CLICKBAIT[...]

Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi. One milblogger emphasized on November 11 that the Russian practice of conducting tactical assaults intended to storm Ukrainian fortified positions in forest areas of Donbas will not translate into a wider operational breakthrough anywhere on the front.[18] The milblogger noted that there is no way to train enough Russian personnel for the intensive frontal assaults required for significant advances in Ukraine.[19] Another milblogger claimed that the Russian military is about to experience a "real renaissance of infantry combat" because there are fewer tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and armored personnel carriers (APCs) close to the frontline.[20] A critical milblogger responded to the "infantry renaissance" comment and remarked that the comment is a negative reflection of Russian equipment losses and poor frontline coordination that has created a reliance on assault tactics.[21] A Russian Spetsnaz-affiliated Telegram channel additionally complained that the reliance on infantry-led frontal assaults is heavily attriting all Spetsnaz elements that have deployed to Ukraine because the Russian command has reportedly been using Spetsnaz forces for frontal assaults since the beginning of the war.[22] Spetsnaz forces are not meant to conduct such infantry-led assaults like standard Russian motorized rifle infantry, and some Russian sources are clearly frustrated with the ramifications of the misapplication of such Spetsnaz elements.

ISW has previously observed that Russian forces are increasingly relying on such infantry-led frontal assaults, likely to compensate for a lack of adequately trained personnel and due to widespread equipment losses.[23] The Russian General Staff appears to be relying heavily on frontal assaults as the predominant tactic in Ukraine as an important part of the Russian solution to the problems of "military parity" laid out by Zaluzhnyi's essay on the issue of "positional warfare."[24]

[18] https://t.me/boris_rozhin/103558

[19] https://t.me/boris_rozhin/103558

[20] https://t.me/akela_zavtra/40

[21] https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2943

[22] https://t.me/ok_spn/27558; https://t.me/grey_zone/21710

[23] https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-30-2023;%C2%A0https://isw.pub/UkrWar110123

[24] https://infographics.economist.com/2023/ExternalContent/ZALUZHNYI_FULL_VERSION.pdf

I went through the interview with Zaluzhnyi, it is very clear that he is requesting the means required to break a stalemate. He speaks of a stalemate that if maintained for a long time might benefit Ruzzia.

 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.

[BADecker]

Now the US is trying to gracefully back out of Ukraine by blaming the Zelensky team for Nordstream. Gee, paxmao, you weren't the one who took out Nordstream, were you? Lol.

"Brighteon Broadcast News, Nov 12, 2023 - US prepares for UKRAINE COLLAPSE by blaming Zelensky and his top military officials for Nordstream sabotage."

https://www.brighteon.com/554b6c92-fe8a-41ec-999b-ef551d7a024a

[Branko]

 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.

You mean one that Russia already have and uses daily?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/07/russias-got-a-giant-new-glide-bomb/

https://bloknot.ru/v-mire/desyatki-ubity-h-ofitserov-vsu-i-nato-pryamoe-popadanie-fab-1500-unichtozhilo-shtab-pod-soledarom-1177818.html

[paxmao]

 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.

You mean one that Russia already have and uses daily?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/07/russias-got-a-giant-new-glide-bomb/

https://bloknot.ru/v-mire/desyatki-ubity-h-ofitserov-vsu-i-nato-pryamoe-popadanie-fab-1500-unichtozhilo-shtab-pod-soledarom-1177818.html

Yes, similar to those - but just ones that can hit the target instead of anything in a 500 meter radius from the target like the Ruzzi Random-Gliders. Also, preferable if they detonate 20 meters above ground instead of randomly detonating or not depending on the dachas that were bought with the budget for bombs.

It seems that Ruzzia is set on Avdiivka at no matter the cost. I guess they believe that if they ignore the dnipro problem hard enough it may go away?

[DaRude]

So at the very least, US meddled in the Ukrainian 2014 coup, and secretary general of NATO is on record saying that war started in 2014 and NATO has been arming Ukraine since then, even pope said that Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ but if we close our eyes, ignore everything that doesn't line up with our agenda, start looking at the conflict in vacuum starting from 2022, endlessly repeat that Putin is the aggressor perhaps with enough iterations someone will start to actually believe this, or at the very least we further convince ourselves of this.

Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe?

Which of the multiple global invasions involving US you feel were justified? Ah, right i forgot 'For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law'. Ukraine can abstain on the UN vote to end US embargo on Cuba, but Russia and China shouldn't have any national interest in the countries bordering them. And then everyone acts shocked when Russia and China don't wish to play by such rules. Israel killed more innocent humans during one month in Gaza Strip with a population of 2,3MM (half of which are children) then Russia did in Ukraine over 1,5+yrs of war in Ukraine. All of that under the guise of two US aircraft carriers and a nuclear submarine, but it's only Putin who has blood on his hands. Sorry to bust your bubble, but the world isn't fair, and setting precedents just paves the way for others.

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The flaw in your thinking is that if Russia/Putin has enough strength to do what you say, they certainly have enough strength to win the war... easily win the war.

Then why don't they win it? They are simply not of the mindset to destroy their Ukrainian 'relatives'. After all, the reason they entered Ukraine in the first place was to save their brothers and sisters in Donetsk and the Donbas.

The war isn't against Ukraine. It's against the everlasting encroachment of the US, Nato, and the Federal Reserve banking system.

No this is a war in which Ruzzia has tried to topple a democracy and then invaded Ukraines sovereign borders - and before that they had been financing terror in the donbas. There is no liberation of any kind.

The narrative about brotherhood and liberation is false. Putin's money created a proxy war / frozen conflict where there was nothing but people living peacefully. How does a dictator free you for anything other than becoming his slave? Putin cannot finish the war, he can simply cause as much destruction and innocent deaths as possible, that is what is left for him to avoid an internal coup (another?). The narrative about "goodwill" gestures is another sack of shit.

It is just impossible to believe any of those arguments by simply looking at the basic facts, this is just for Republicans that are trying to justify another Trump term.

Sure hey, I agree, he does not have enough strength to invade Poland and not even enough strength to win over Ukraine - but that is as long as the US, EU an Ukraine actually do something to stop him. Bullies that get their nose punched do not come back for more. You let them their way, they come back again and again.

I truly suspect that not all of what Putin and his cronies are doing is honorable. But it is far more honorable than Zelensky and HIS cronies. After all, the whole voting scheme in the Ukraine was manipulated by the US. You can tell by the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Russia for salvation from the Zelensky group.

Democracy is simply a more complex, group Dictatorship. In this case, it is being used by the US to attempt to bring Russia down through Ukraine. All of what Russia is doing is simply self-protection.

You are entirely missing what is going on... or you are a US/Nato/Ukraine propagandist. And the big thing you are trying to hide is your contradiction regarding the war. If Russia has enough strength to do the things that you accuse them of, they certainly have enough strength to win the war by force, easily... if their goal was to simply destroy Ukraine.

You suspect that Putin & Co are not honorable? Well, I can confirm. https://www.osce.org/odihr/548662

arbitrary imprisonment and enforced disappearances of civilians living in areas under occupation are occurring with alarming frequency, with widespread reports of the use of torture and ill-treatment, the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR)

So, you have read or heard somewhere that Ukrainians mostly went to Ruzzia. I can rebate that:https://geopoliticalfutures.com/ukrainians-take-flight/



So... most of them to Poland, final destination.

About the dictatorship of a group, I cannot comment. The allegations of fraud in US have not ever been supported nor any proof has been made available to the justice. So... I somehow have the feeling that you are ok with dictators, like Putin, as long as they are your dictators.

I think that what you feel about the fed & the US federal government is pretty much one tenth of what Ukrainians and many Russians have to endure everyday of their lives. But you somehow are absolutely ok with THEM suffering it.

Enough of the fakes    https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already



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[be.open]

It seems that Ruzzia is set on Avdiivka at no matter the cost. I guess they believe that if they ignore the dnipro problem hard enough it may go away?

Yep. Taking Avdiivka is not a high priority from a military point of view, but it is important from a political point of view as part of the creation of a security buffer to prevent regular shelling of Donetsk from cannon artillery. Therefore, the pressure on Avdiivka will continue, and now the situation there for Ukraine is worse than it was in Bakhmut, the pincers on the flanks are tightening and the only supply road to Avdiivka is under tight fire control. I already said earlier, I think Avdeevka will be taken or end up in a cauldron before the New Year.

As for the Dnieper problem, it exists mainly in your imagination. The Ukrainian contingent on the left bank of the Dnieper does not exceed a couple of hundred people in number and without armored vehicles. Russian military officers have already nicknamed this situation “a shooting gallery in Krynki”; yesterday heavy flamethrower systems were fired at Krynki, and artillery and bomb strikes are also being carried out continuously. Activity on the left bank of the Dnieper is not a problem for Russia; rather, it is a problem for Ukraine.

[corrado25]

So at the very least, US meddled in the Ukrainian 2014 coup, and secretary general of NATO is on record saying that war started in 2014 and NATO has been arming Ukraine since then, even pope said that Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ but if we close our eyes, ignore everything that doesn't line up with our agenda, start looking at the conflict in vacuum starting from 2022, endlessly repeat that Putin is the aggressor perhaps with enough iterations someone will start to actually believe this, or at the very least we further convince ourselves of this.

Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe?

Indeed, only those zombified by Russian propaganda can justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There was no reason to start this war. Ukraine did not threaten russia in any way. They invented a story about the nazis in Ukraine, but in reality the nazis are the Russian leadership that kills peaceful people and the russians themselves who support this war, and every time they rejoice when they hear about another victim among the civilian population of Ukraine

The closest thing of an actual "justification" I have heard concerning this war from some proRussian people on the internet, is the argument that people from the eastern regions of Ukraine wanted to belong to the Russian federation, because alledgely they felt more identified as Russian than Ukraine. So Russia pushed some bogus separatist Referendum and probably financed separatist armed group in the east of Ukraine.
Assuming all of it has some factuality, it only would give any legitimate and sovereign country (like Ukraine) more reasons to defend themselves from an agressive neighbor like Russia.
Imagine what would happen if Mexico did something like that to the United States, for example: financing separatist combatants in California, in order to try annexing that state. It would be foolish to assume USA would do nothing about it.

The truth is that Russia has brainwashed the residents of eastern Ukraine very well. Their propaganda worked quite well, but after they found themselves in the so-called republics of the DNR and LNR, they completely fooled them. And after Russia started a full-scale war, they felt even more sorry because those men who lived under occupation in the DNR and LNR were mobilized by Russia for the war against Ukraine. They simply use these men as cannon fodder

[BADecker]

^^^ It took a little brainwashing to wake those people up. Now that Russia has waked them up to the truth of how vicious Ukraine really is, they are fighting for Russia with an enthusiasm that makes Russia feel sorry for them when they lose their lives.

Gradually the Viciousness and wickedness of Ukraine is coming out into the open, despite all that the US and Ukraine can do to stop this from happening.


WaPo Drops Bombshell On The Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage Narrative: A Ukrainian Colonel, Covert Ops, & The CIA's Shadow


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wapo-drops-bombshell-nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-narrative-ukrainian-colonel-covert
Consider the source (and the timing)...

No lesser deep-state mouthpiece than The Washington Post just dropped a bombshell with the revelation that Ukrainian Colonel Roman Chervinsky "was integral to the brazen sabotage operation" on the Nord Stream pipeline, "according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation."

The bombing, dubbed a "dangerous assault on Europe's energy infrastructure" by US and Western officials at the time, marked a critical juncture in the ongoing tensions between Russia and the West. By targeting the pipeline, the operatives (whoever they were) struck a blow to a critical artery of Russian energy exports, a sector that has been at the heart of European-Russian economic relations.

Additionally, as the Goebbels-ian narrative that 'Russia did it' was pushed by mainstream media (and politicians), it enabled further 'aid' to be sent to Ukraine, to 'protect interests'.

Chervinsky, a senior figure within Ukraine's Special Operations Forces, was allegedly the "coordinator" of the attack on the Nord Stream pipeline. The operation, executed with precision and secrecy, involved deep-sea diving and explosive charges, ultimately resulting in substantial damage to the pipeline which Ukraine had long complained would allow Russia to bypass Ukrainian pipes, depriving Kyiv of huge transit revenue.

Of course, as one would expect, the Ukrainian Colonel, via his counsel, refutes any involvement in the pipeline sabotage, blaming Russia for this accusation.
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[Hispo]

To me it does not make much sense to blame Russia for the destruction of the North stream pipeline, to be honest. After the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the Klemlin probably wanted to use such pipeline as leverage and manipulate the involvement of Germany and the rest of the west Europe into the the war, but it did not happened because it got blown up by some agency.
To me it is pretty reasonable to believe that act was carried out by either the United States of Ukraine, in order to minimize the manipulation or Power Russia could have had over the politics of west Europe.
Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA

[Branko]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-troops-extremely-nervous-that-us-is-now-focused-on-gaza

"When asked about his biggest concern, a soldier named Spenser wrote on a messaging app,
“Without the support of the United States and others, we will be forced to retreat if the enemy troops advance on all fronts.
We have partners, and we will receive help from them, but it will be much less, or the war will (reach) Lviv.”"

[DaRude]

To me it does not make much sense to blame Russia for the destruction of the North stream pipeline, to be honest. After the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the Klemlin probably wanted to use such pipeline as leverage and manipulate the involvement of Germany and the rest of the west Europe into the the war, but it did not happened because it got blown up by some agency.
To me it is pretty reasonable to believe that act was carried out by either the United States of Ukraine, in order to minimize the manipulation or Power Russia could have had over the politics of west Europe.
Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA

You mean now you're not buying the story that Russia removed its leverage by blowing up its own pipelines anymore? Sabotage on critical EU infrastructure can technically be considered an act of war. Scholz is trying to downplay it as much as he can, but it's costing him in ratings, his party is now in the third place in Germany and ultra right AfD is now in second place and growing, looks like Germans don't appreciate others blowing up their critical infrastructure. Next everyone will act surprised at the rise of ultra-rights in EU, who could've possibly predicted that deceiving your population can have negative consequences and that there is no such thing as a free lunch!?! **shocked**

But i guess with such coverage there are really only two options left, either just continue denial, or try to throw a positive spin on it somehow

Washington post- Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack

Roman Chervinsky, a colonel in Ukraine’s special operations forces, was integral to the brazen sabotage operation, say people familiar with planning

A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.
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Chervinsky did not act alone, and he did not plan the operation, according to the people familiar with his role, which has not been previously reported. The officer took orders from more senior Ukrainian officials, who ultimately reported to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, said people familiar with how the operation was carried out.
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Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Chervinsky had been serving in a unit of Ukraine’s special operations forces and was focused on resistance activity in areas of the country occupied by Russia, people familiar with his assignments said. He reported to Maj. Gen. Viktor Hanushchak, a seasoned and respected officer, who communicated directly with Zaluzhny.
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Chervinsky is being held in a Kyiv jail on charges that he abused his power stemming from a plot to lure a Russian pilot to defect to Ukraine in July 2022. Authorities allege that Chervinsky, who was arrested in April, acted without permission and that the operation gave away the coordinates of a Ukrainian airfield, prompting a Russian rocket attack that killed a soldier and injured 17 others.
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He calls his arrest and prosecution political retribution for his criticism of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his administration. Chervinsky has said publicly that he suspects Andriy Yermak, one of Zelensky’s closest advisers, of spying for Russia. He has also accused the Zelensky administration of failing to sufficiently prepare the country for Russia’s invasion.
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But the Nord Stream operation was designed to keep Zelensky out of the loop, people familiar with the operation said.
“All of those involved in planning and execution reported directly to [chief of defense] Zaluzhnyy, so Zelensky wouldn’t have known about it,” according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA that was allegedly shared by Jack Teixeira, a member of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, on the Discord chat platform.
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In June 2022, the Dutch military intelligence agency, the MIVD, obtained information that Ukraine might be planning to attack Nord Stream. Officials at the CIA relayed to Zaluzhny through an intermediary that the United States opposed such an operation, according to people familiar with those conversations.
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Key elements of the plan, including the number of people on the bombing team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same.
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The Dutch military intelligence service also reported to the Americans that the Ukrainians planned an attack on another pipeline in the Black Sea, called TurkStream. It’s not clear why that operation was never carried out.
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Some of those who described Chervinsky’s participation in the Nord Stream attack defended the veteran intelligence officer as acting in Ukraine’s best interests. They argued that bombing the pipelines helped to keep Russia from filling its coffers from natural gas sales and deprived Putin of a means to use the flow of natural gas for political leverage.

Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now.

[paxmao]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-troops-extremely-nervous-that-us-is-now-focused-on-gaza

"When asked about his biggest concern, a soldier named Spenser wrote on a messaging app,
“Without the support of the United States and others, we will be forced to retreat if the enemy troops advance on all fronts.
We have partners, and we will receive help from them, but it will be much less, or the war will (reach) Lviv.”"

If the biggest concern of a soldier is that the US is forgetting about them, it does not say much about the Ruzzian army. If I were at the front, my main worry would be to get my arse blown up by a FPV drone.

But, well, the soldier will soon read the latest I guess...

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3578754/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. This includes the drawdown of security assistance from DoD inventories valued at up to $125 million to meet Ukraine's immediate battlefield needs, as well as $300 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds to strengthen Ukraine's air defenses over the long term.

I think this is just to get by, the real aid will come later. There is enough for Israel and Ukraine and both are strategic for the US. Meanwhile, they are testing the latest stuff on Ruzzian's buts.

Additional laser-guided munitions to counter Unmanned Aerial Systems.

Now, it seems that the aid is reaching its destination. It is going to be a costly war for Ruzzia....

https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/russia-news-newest-ship-destroyed-ukraine-strike



If you want to see the precise moment ...

https://packaged-media.redd.it/859a3tospryb1/pb/m2-res_262p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1699930800&s=44fe3e4c2cf68b6783884907f425e1d4092d307a#t=0

[TwitchySeal]

Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now.

Or maybe the reporting is accurate and a small group of Ukrainians went rogue and blew up the pipeline without zelenskys approval or knowledge.

[paxmao]

Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now.

Or maybe the reporting is accurate and a small group of Ukrainians went rogue and blew up the pipeline without zelenskys approval or knowledge.

Anything is possible. Cover ops are... cover.

...

Enough of the fakes   https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already



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Really? You speaking of fakes??? The king of the walltexting and irrelevance? Please enlighten us, where did Ukrainians fled?

Because your map shows how Ruzzia says that lots of Ukrainian fled there, it is there in your own source when you bother to read (what international observation do you think that has? do you think that Ruzzia may... you know... have some incentives to "record in an imaginative way" the number of Ukrainians in Ruzzia and Beloruzzia?

This is what your own source says about the information provided:

Statistics are compiled mainly from data provided by authorities. For statistical purposes, UNHCR uses the term refugees generically, referring to all individuals having left Ukraine due to the war. UNHCR’s means of verification and level of access to refugees from Ukraine varies by country.

- TRANSLATION: do not believe shit of what comes from Ruzzia, but we cannot say that openly.

In your considered opinion, what kind of access do you think Ruzzia gives to the people preparing these reports? You cannot even read your own sources and interpret or be critic about an information as simple as this, yet is enough for you to call "fake" of course ,but your credibility on that is down the drain anyway - just your other major in Troll School along oversized pictures, wall-texting and missing the point - you have shown mastery on the skills here, your handlers must be proud.

Furthermore Have you also noticed where it says that Ruzzia gives their number of total Ukrainian living in Ruzzia under ANY status? Have you noticed that they have no data on border crossings? Have you noticed that even Ruzzia says only 65400 (curiously round number uh??) are refugees? The figure could include almost anything! Even people in the fake-publics of donbas, people living in there since 40 years ago, people who have a granma in Ukraine... .

You should try tweeter... it is much easy to smear in short sentences.

[LTU_btc]

Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA

Don't know who did, but yeah, if that pipeline wouldn't be blown up, very likely that Germany still would suck Russian Gas pipe until this day without looking for other suppliers and funding this war.

If I were at the front, my main worry would be to get my arse blown up by a FPV drone.

If we already talk about FPV, there is two interesting videos filmed from different perspectives:
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1724127618843210020 I only can try to imagine feeling when you're getting chased by kamikaze drone and you understand that's most likely last moments of your life.
While there was strange message in Russian media that their troups is regrouping to more favourable positions in Dnepr area. This message was deleted and called false just after few minutes. Interesting, it was just mistake or preparations for another good will gesture.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-moves-some-troops-more-favourable-positions-east-dnipro-river-ria-2023-11-13/
P.S. Another Russian SU-25 got destroyed in Avdiivka:
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1724514775999172668

[paxmao]

There is definitely something happening neat the dnipro. I mean something that is not Ruzzis shelling a hospital and randomly killing civilians.

[Branko]

There is definitely something happening neat the dnipro. I mean something that is not Ruzzis shelling a hospital and randomly killing civilians.

Yes...Ukraine is bringing light infantry over, without artillery and tank support, and Russians are massacring them
Gallipoli style

Quote of the day:

John Kirby: “You can't start planning for long-term support if you're at the end of your rope.  And in financing Ukraine we are coming to the end of the rope.  
Today we announced $200 million and we will continue to help Ukraine as much as we can, but it won’t be indefinitely.”