Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

Ukraine is nopt going to beat Russia.. by a long shot.


Uncensored: More Money for Ukraine - [link to a publicly known fake-news promoter removed]

The funding is not for Ukraine, but it seems that is impossible to get than into the fucking dumbass heads in US. The funding is to avoid Ruzzia becoming a new USSR, going back to the cold war, getting another war in Europe in five years. US IS NOT doing charity, it is paying others to wage the war they will end up having if they do nothing.

Ukraine can achieve a positive result if the help is committed unequivocally and in one go. If we keep on dragging, we will pay for it later. The "choice of not giving money" is not a choice, the choice is give enough now or x100 later.

Your understanding failure is seen in the fact that Russia was operating within US trade agreements. How do we know? We know it because they trusted the US by allowing $300 billion of their money to sit in places where it could be confiscated by the US. Russia was trusting the US and Nato, just as they have been doing for the lat 30 years or longer.

When the US and Nato broke their agreements with Russia to NOT expand Nato along the borders of Russia (as they were going to do with Ukraine, by allowing Ukraine into Nato), Russia had to retaliate just to protect herself.

How, the US and Nato are showing just how corrupt they are by freezing Russian assets, and threatening to steal them altogether... G7 Closer To Giving $300BN In Seized Russian Assets To Ukraine After Orban Blocked EU Funds - [link to a unknown ownership "news" outlet removed].

And it's jokers like you who just can't seem to put 2 + 2 together to get 4. It's the US who has caused supreme suffering in Ukraine... and essentially its destruction.

Irrelevant to the case. You still have the problem of letting Ruzzia become again a power that matches the US - and backed by China this time - doing nothing is not an option.

NATO did not have any agreement with Ruzzia. NATO is free to join, Ruzzia wanted to impose conditions on NATO, which was deemed not acceptable.

Ruzzia was trading under the idea that Germany would be prisoner of the cheap Ruzzian gas. Putin miscalculated - he though Europe would not respond, nor the US -  among many other strategic mistakes.

You are still a dumbass.

[TwitchySeal]

It's the US who has caused supreme suffering in Ukraine... and essentially its destruction.

Actually Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Branko]

Ruzzia was trading under the idea that Germany would be prisoner of the cheap Ruzzian gas. Putin miscalculated - he though Europe would not respond, nor the US -  among many other strategic mistakes.

You are still a dumbass.

USA has troops occupying Germany, and Germany is "prisoner" of cheap Russian gas?

You say that and then call HIM dumbass?

LOL

(btw, if you can sell me anything at half the price, I want to be your "prisoner"...could use cheap BMW and some
cheap PC parts, and, why not, gas)

[paxmao]

Ruzzia was trading under the idea that Germany would be prisoner of the cheap Ruzzian gas. Putin miscalculated - he though Europe would not respond, nor the US -  among many other strategic mistakes.

You are still a dumbass.

USA has troops occupying Germany, and Germany is "prisoner" of cheap Russian gas?

You say that and then call HIM dumbass?

LOL

(btw, if you can sell me anything at half the price, I want to be your "prisoner"...could use cheap BMW and some
cheap PC parts, and, why not, gas)

Putin was certainly banking on Europe not doing anything because "the gas supply would be cut", there are abundant records of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/20/russian-gas-cuts-germany/

It failed.

On your other comments, I guess the US will thank Putin a lot for resuscitating NATO, it was nearly useless 

Your interpretation of US bases in Europe is that countries are "invaded"? The US troops in Europe are insignificant and the interference of US in Europe, particularly after the European Union is much less than anywhere else - particularly in country that do not actually have bases (e.g. most Latin America).

As of now, Germany shoulders around 16% of the NATO budget - does not look anything like "invaded". France does not have bases as such. Spain removed most of the bases, I believe there is still a naval one in Rota, Italy does have quite a few,...  Nah, Europe is an ally, but is not a forced ally - still able to put a fine on Facebook an

Yes BA is a dumbass - there is abundant proof - as you are the equivalent of a "fashion victim" but the Stalin version.

[Branko]

Putin was certainly banking on Europe not doing anything because "the gas supply would be cut", there are abundant records of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/20/russian-gas-cuts-germany/

It failed.

On your other comments, I guess the US will thank Putin a lot for resuscitating NATO, it was nearly useless  

Your interpretation of US bases in Europe is that countries are "invaded"? The US troops in Europe are insignificant and the interference of US in Europe, particularly after the European Union is much less than anywhere else - particularly in country that do not actually have bases (e.g. most Latin America).

As of now, Germany shoulders around 16% of the NATO budget - does not look anything like "invaded". France does not have bases as such. Spain removed most of the bases, I believe there is still a naval one in Rota, Italy does have quite a few,...  Nah, Europe is an ally, but is not a forced ally - still able to put a fine on Facebook an

Yes BA is a dumbass - there is abundant proof - as you are the equivalent of a "fashion victim" but the Stalin version.

If what you say would be true, there would be no need for operation Gladio
Also, since Germany is poor in resources, are they any better now that they're prisoners
of expensive American LNG instead cheap Russian gas?

[paxmao]

Putin was certainly banking on Europe not doing anything because "the gas supply would be cut", there are abundant records of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/20/russian-gas-cuts-germany/

It failed.

On your other comments, I guess the US will thank Putin a lot for resuscitating NATO, it was nearly useless  

Your interpretation of US bases in Europe is that countries are "invaded"? The US troops in Europe are insignificant and the interference of US in Europe, particularly after the European Union is much less than anywhere else - particularly in country that do not actually have bases (e.g. most Latin America).

As of now, Germany shoulders around 16% of the NATO budget - does not look anything like "invaded". France does not have bases as such. Spain removed most of the bases, I believe there is still a naval one in Rota, Italy does have quite a few,...  Nah, Europe is an ally, but is not a forced ally - still able to put a fine on Facebook an

Yes BA is a dumbass - there is abundant proof - as you are the equivalent of a "fashion victim" but the Stalin version.

If what you say would be true, there would be no need for operation Gladio
Also, since Germany is poor in resources, are they any better now that they're prisoners
of expensive American LNG instead cheap Russian gas?

Germany is not poor in resources, where did you get that? From your "readings" on the works of Lenin? Germany would be very happy to use Ruzzian gas, the only issue is that the money the pay is being use to erode Europe. I mean, it is so clear... survival comes first, you should know.

Anyway, you tend to confuse ally with prisoner... but only to one side. Is Lukashenko a prisoner of Putin? Eager to know your answer.

Edited: I just came across this one:

[BADecker]

Putin was certainly banking on Europe not doing anything because "the gas supply would be cut", there are abundant records of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/20/russian-gas-cuts-germany/

It failed.

On your other comments, I guess the US will thank Putin a lot for resuscitating NATO, it was nearly useless  

Your interpretation of US bases in Europe is that countries are "invaded"? The US troops in Europe are insignificant and the interference of US in Europe, particularly after the European Union is much less than anywhere else - particularly in country that do not actually have bases (e.g. most Latin America).

As of now, Germany shoulders around 16% of the NATO budget - does not look anything like "invaded". France does not have bases as such. Spain removed most of the bases, I believe there is still a naval one in Rota, Italy does have quite a few,...  Nah, Europe is an ally, but is not a forced ally - still able to put a fine on Facebook an

Yes BA is a dumbass - there is abundant proof - as you are the equivalent of a "fashion victim" but the Stalin version.

If what you say would be true, there would be no need for operation Gladio
Also, since Germany is poor in resources, are they any better now that they're prisoners
of expensive American LNG instead cheap Russian gas?

Germany is not poor in resources, where did you get that? From your "readings" on the works of Lenin? Germany would be very happy to use Ruzzian gas, the only issue is that the money the pay is being use to erode Europe. I mean, it is so clear... survival comes first, you should know.

Anyway, you tend to confuse ally with prisoner... but only to one side. Is Lukashenko a prisoner of Putin? Eager to know your answer.

Edited: I just came across this one:

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-americans-always-do-the-right-thing-once-they-have-exhausted-all-other-possibilities-winston-churchill-133-51-16.jpg

Your fear of boogeymen is amazing. Anybody can see that all that Russia wants is free trade. Anybody who looks can see that it's the US banking system and the US wealthy elite who want unfair trade in their favor.


Putin denies Biden’s claim that Russia plans to attack NATO, calls it COMPLETE NONSENSE


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-12-21-putin-denies-plans-attack-nato-complete-nonsense.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied claims by President Joe Biden that he plans to attack members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

In a recent plea to Republicans to support additional military aid, Biden suggested that if Putin succeeded in Ukraine, he would continue by attacking a NATO nation. Putin countered by alleging that Biden is only fabricating scenarios in his head to secure approval for increased military aid to Ukraine amid the ongoing Russian special military operation in the country. He added that Russia has no intention of confronting the NATO military alliance.

Putin dismissed Biden's assertions as "complete nonsense" in an interview published by a state television station on Sunday, Dec. 17. He suggested that Biden is attempting to justify his own "mistaken policy" on Russia. According to Putin, Russia lacks any geopolitical, economic, political or military interest in fighting NATO countries.

"It is complete nonsense – and I think President Biden understands that," Putin said. "Russia has no reason, no interest … to fight with NATO countries." (Related: Putin reportedly willing to end war with Ukraine, sit down for PEACE TALKS.)

Putin may put peace off the table until after the U.S. presidential election

A senior State Department official, speaking anonymously last month, suggested that Putin would not seek peace until the results of the upcoming American presidential election are known.

The ongoing verbal exchange revolves around the United States' continued support for Ukraine and the perceived need for military aid to help Ukraine "win" the conflict with Russia. Thus far, this approach has led to significant inflation and an insurmountable national debt in the U.S. The situation may pave the way for a new economic system, suggesting increased control and enslavement.
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[paxmao]

Putin was certainly banking on Europe not doing anything because "the gas supply would be cut", there are abundant records of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/20/russian-gas-cuts-germany/

It failed.

On your other comments, I guess the US will thank Putin a lot for resuscitating NATO, it was nearly useless  

Your interpretation of US bases in Europe is that countries are "invaded"? The US troops in Europe are insignificant and the interference of US in Europe, particularly after the European Union is much less than anywhere else - particularly in country that do not actually have bases (e.g. most Latin America).

As of now, Germany shoulders around 16% of the NATO budget - does not look anything like "invaded". France does not have bases as such. Spain removed most of the bases, I believe there is still a naval one in Rota, Italy does have quite a few,...  Nah, Europe is an ally, but is not a forced ally - still able to put a fine on Facebook an

Yes BA is a dumbass - there is abundant proof - as you are the equivalent of a "fashion victim" but the Stalin version.

If what you say would be true, there would be no need for operation Gladio
Also, since Germany is poor in resources, are they any better now that they're prisoners
of expensive American LNG instead cheap Russian gas?

Germany is not poor in resources, where did you get that? From your "readings" on the works of Lenin? Germany would be very happy to use Ruzzian gas, the only issue is that the money the pay is being use to erode Europe. I mean, it is so clear... survival comes first, you should know.

Anyway, you tend to confuse ally with prisoner... but only to one side. Is Lukashenko a prisoner of Putin? Eager to know your answer.

Edited: I just came across this one:

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-americans-always-do-the-right-thing-once-they-have-exhausted-all-other-possibilities-winston-churchill-133-51-16.jpg

Your fear of boogeymen is amazing. Anybody can see that all that Russia wants is free trade. Anybody who looks can see that it's the US banking system and the US wealthy elite who want unfair trade in their favor.


Putin denies Biden’s claim that Russia plans to attack NATO, calls it COMPLETE NONSENSE[/url]



Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied claims by President Joe Biden that he plans to attack members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
... countries.

"It is complete nonsense – and I think President Biden understands that," Putin said. "Russia has no reason, no interest … to fight with NATO countries." (Related: Putin reportedly willing to end war with Ukraine, sit down for PEACE TALKS.)

Putin may put peace off the table until after the U.S. presidential election

A senior State Department official, speaking anonymously last month, suggested that Putin would not seek peace until the results of the upcoming American presidential election are known.

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And we all know that: (a) Putin would never lie. Ever, he is known for not lying and (b) He his truly honest in his peace proposals - he is known for being truthful in negotiations. Wake up dumbass.

By the way, something is certainly taking down the Ruzzian airplanes. 3 more near the Krinki bridgehead. There is something out there hunting.

[BADecker]

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And we all know that: (a) Putin would never lie. Ever, he is known for not lying and (b) He his truly honest in his peace proposals - he is known for being truthful in negotiations. Wake up dumbass.

By the way, something is certainly taking down the Ruzzian airplanes. 3 more near the Krinki bridgehead. There is something out there hunting.

So scared, are we, of Putin and what he says? Certainly when the facts show that he is not lying... certainly he just might lie in the future. So, get him now, before his lies become evident from the things he does sometime in the future.

You just break me up, paxmao. Putin has been using kid-gloves on Ukraine, and you think he is weak. However, it's nice to have you here. Your silliness makes us check things out. When are YOU going to check things out and put 2+2 together to get 4?

[paxmao]

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And we all know that: (a) Putin would never lie. Ever, he is known for not lying and (b) He his truly honest in his peace proposals - he is known for being truthful in negotiations. Wake up dumbass.

By the way, something is certainly taking down the Ruzzian airplanes. 3 more near the Krinki bridgehead. There is something out there hunting.

So scared, are we, of Putin and what he says? Certainly when the facts show that he is not lying... certainly he just might lie in the future. So, get him now, before his lies become evident from the things he does sometime in the future.

You just break me up, paxmao. Putin has been using kid-gloves on Ukraine, and you think he is weak. However, it's nice to have you here. Your silliness makes us check things out. When are YOU going to check things out and put 2+2 together to get 4?

He has lied time after time dumbass, he has not other interest that following a plan of expansion, since the day he was not even a president and Ukraine agreed to return the nuclear arsenal in exchange for peace!

Are we scared of Putin? Yes, you should be, in the same way you should be scared of a mad cow: you know you will knock it down, but it will cause a lot of trouble meanwhile.

Look, I take as personal progress to you that you are now speaking in math terms (2+2) instead of claiming that you are God inspired yet another time. Well, done. Now, go kindergaten dumbass and learn to read.

[BADecker]

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He has lied time after time dumbass, he has not other interest that following a plan of expansion, since the day he was not even a president and Ukraine agreed to return the nuclear arsenal in exchange for peace!

Are we scared of Putin? Yes, you should be, in the same way you should be scared of a mad cow: you know you will knock it down, but it will cause a lot of trouble meanwhile.

Look, I take as personal progress to you that you are now speaking in math terms (2+2) instead of claiming that you are God inspired yet another time. Well, done. Now, go kindergaten dumbass and learn to read.

It's rather humorous that you can't seem to figure out where the lies lie.

[LTU_btc]

Yesterday Ukraine destroyed 3(!) fighter-bombers just in one day.
https://t.me/mozhemobyasnit/16777
It happened in Souuth direction and most likely these jets were show down with Patriot system. If it's true, it means that Ukraine moved one of their Patriots close to front line. They have 3 in total, one is in Kyiv, another one in Odesa. It's biggest losses of Russia in the air since spring when Su-34, Su-35 and 2 Mi-8 helicopters were shot down in Bryansk oblast, also with Patriot. And offcourse, Prigozhin's mutiny when they lost several helicopters and one Il-22M.
I's all impressive, but we only can think what Ukraine could do if West supply weapons not just to keep defence, but also attack occupants...

[paxmao]

Yesterday Ukraine destroyed 3(!) fighter-bombers just in one day.
https://t.me/mozhemobyasnit/16777
It happened in Souuth direction and most likely these jets were show down with Patriot system. If it's true, it means that Ukraine moved one of their Patriots close to front line. They have 3 in total, one is in Kyiv, another one in Odesa. It's biggest losses of Russia in the air since spring when Su-34, Su-35 and 2 Mi-8 helicopters were shot down in Bryansk oblast, also with Patriot. And offcourse, Prigozhin's mutiny when they lost several helicopters and one Il-22M.
I's all impressive, but we only can think what Ukraine could do if West supply weapons not just to keep defence, but also attack occupants...

Ruzzian vloggers are saying that F-16 have arrived in Ukraine, which could be true, but it would be quite instantly recognisable for the Ruzzian military, so either they are keeping secret not to scare their own pilots and troops or - more likely explanation - Ukraine moved a Patriot near Kherson, so that it can reach well behind the enemy lines.

As I said a few posts ago, whatever it is, it is hunting the Ruzzian planes.

[BADecker]

A couple former military guys talk about how badly Ukraine is doing in the war. The US is just about ready to leave. Looks like what we are seeing is a pump-and-dump operation by the US in Ukraine.

Also, Russia rules the waves: Russia rules the waves: While the West is suffering losses from maritime trade, Moscow’s volume is increasing - https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-12-22-while-west-suffering-losses-moscows-volume-increasing.html.


SCOTT RITTER AND LARRY JOHNSON JOIN ON UKRAINE'S WOES, ISRAEL OUT OF CONTROL, PLUS MORE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2cLO40FcrQ
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Stream starts at 3:51

In this special former intel panel, Scott Ritter, Larry Johnson, and Ray McGovern join to reflect on the major conflict flashpoints of 2023 and how they have affected the US-NATO axis from Ukraine, Gaza, Asia and beyond.

Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and UN Weapons Inspector and curator of Scott Ritter Extra (scottritterextra.com)
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[LTU_btc]

Ruzzian vloggers are saying that F-16 have arrived in Ukraine, which could be true, but it would be quite instantly recognisable for the Ruzzian military, so either they are keeping secret not to scare their own pilots and troops or - more likely explanation - Ukraine moved a Patriot near Kherson, so that it can reach well behind the enemy lines.

As I said a few posts ago, whatever it is, it is hunting the Ruzzian planes.

As much as I would like to be wrong, I don't think that F-16 arrived to Ukraine already. So far I didn't saw any signs that F-16 could be already in Ukraine. Otherwise I guess it would be much more noise from Russians. Something similar when they got HIMARS, Storm Shadow, ATACMS, but probably at much larger scale. And I guess Ukraine isn't that close yet from actually getting it.
While writting this post, news about another jet shot down, this time Su-30 started to spread on Ukrainian Telegram channels, it happened in Odesa direction. Waiting for more details.
EDIT I see several posts on Telegram telling that Russia destroyed 6, yes you heard it right, 6 F-16 in Odesa. Unfortunately I can't find who posted this initially. But destroying jets beforeUkraine acutally got it is serious, even for Russia lol.

[BADecker]

Russia is at a disadvantage regarding Ukrainian planes to shoot down. There aren't any up there, because Ukraine either doesn't have any, or they are holding the few that they have in reserve.

A Russian plane gets hit now and again, because it is doing a whole lot of damage to Ukrainian men and war machines on the ground. But, Russia is good enough that a Ukrainian successful strike is more like, "Give a monkey a typewriter, and he's liable to spell a word sometime."

[BADecker]

Read the comments at the website!


Ukraine losing 800 troops a day – ex-NATO officer


https://www.rt.com/news/589421-ukraine-losses-attrition-morale/
Around 800 Ukrainian troops are being killed and wounded daily amid the conflict with Russia, retired German Air Force Colonel and prominent military analyst Ralph D. Thiele has claimed.

In an opinion piece for Focus magazine on Wednesday, Thiele, who used to serve in the personal staff of NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, claimed that Kiev needs to recruit more than 20,000 soldiers every month in order to replace its dead and injured. He did not reveal his sources or basis for his calculations, however.

Ukraine also requires additional personnel to be able to rotate its troops on the frontline, so that “exhausted soldiers” may recover and units may replenish their material supplies, he wrote.

According to Thiele, who now heads the Political-Military Society, EuroDefense (Germany) and StratByrd Consulting think tanks, “the highly motivated defense” and subsequent counteroffensive, which he described as “a thing of the past,” came at a “high price” for Ukraine.

Kiev’s manpower and hardware are “significantly worn out,” he said. “Western weapons systems are not miracle weapons and are wearing out,” the analyst added.

The worsening battlefield situation and decreasing Western support for Kiev are “eating away at the morale” of the Ukrainian troops, who “will have to save ammunition in a war of attrition and endure slaughter at the front without rest and without a greater sense of achievement,” Thiele stressed.

Russia has also lost “a large number of soldiers and huge amounts of material” during the conflict, but “it has much more of both than Ukraine,” he argued.

“Step by step, Russia’s superiority in the conflict with Ukraine is becoming more visible,” the analyst acknowledged. Moscow’s "strategy of attrition" is “taking effect” in terms of personnel, material, ammunition and morale, he said.

Thiele’s number of 800 Ukrainian soldiers being lost per day appears to be higher than the one announced by Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu at the expanded meeting of the Defense Ministry’s Board on Tuesday. According to Shoigu, some 400,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed or wounded since the start of the fighting in late February 2022. This means that, according to Russian figures, Kiev’s daily losses stand at around 600 servicemen.
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[paxmao]

It is official, Ruzzian jets are being downed 100 km inside occupied territory. The massive resource to the glide bombs in Krinki is now much more difficult if possible at all. Ruzzia has learnt this at the cost of 5 difficult to replace Su 34 bombers.  This may close one of the few tactical alternatives of superiority that Ruzzia had to avoid the pure meat attacks. I expect to see plenty of those now.

Edited to add: Have you seen the fireworks in the port of Feodosia, Crimea. Either they are celebrating Christmas or something has blasted an Iranian weapons supply ship in port. Maybe they are doing a cross-regional event with the ice-breaker nuclear ship in fire in Murmansk.

[LTU_btc]

Edited to add: Have you seen the fireworks in the port of Feodosia, Crimea. Either they are celebrating Christmas or something has blasted an Iranian weapons supply ship in port. Maybe they are doing a cross-regional event with the ice-breaker nuclear ship in fire in Murmansk.

Fireworks were really impressive, but it's a bit too early for New Year celebrations. It's obvious that something more than just ship detonated, probably it was full of something explosive, so, version of Iranian drones and weapons looks possible. Russia announced that Novocherkassk ship was damaged, but when you see photos after attack, it's obvious  that ship was fully destroyed:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/26/7434630/
And offcourse, immediately after attack Russians posted about two Ukrainian Su-24 shot down, how else they can minimize significance of their loss in public.
BTW, it's symbolic that ship was destroyed when Russians marked their air defence day. So, either they were too drunk to work or Russian air defence showed that they hav no analogue in the world

[BADecker]

It is official, Ruzzian jets are being downed 100 km inside occupied territory. The massive resource to the glide bombs in Krinki is now much more difficult if possible at all. Ruzzia has learnt this at the cost of 5 difficult to replace Su 34 bombers.  This may close one of the few tactical alternatives of superiority that Ruzzia had to avoid the pure meat attacks. I expect to see plenty of those now.

Edited to add: Have you seen the fireworks in the port of Feodosia, Crimea. Either they are celebrating Christmas or something has blasted an Iranian weapons supply ship in port. Maybe they are doing a cross-regional event with the ice-breaker nuclear ship in fire in Murmansk.

Russia has a lot of land to protect, for the number of people they have to protect it. All Ukraine is doing is insuring its own, eventual destruction. And it doesn't help them any to bite the hand of the media that could be supporting them, if they had any positive way to influence that media. Some of the media want to tell the truth, it seems.


Ukraine accuses New York Times of ‘working for the Kremlin’


https://www.rt.com/russia/589676-kiev-new-york-times-allegation/
Journalists covering the Russia-Ukraine conflict for the New York Times have been recruited by Russian secret services, Kiev’s information warfare agency alleged on Monday. The state-run Center for Countering Disinformation (CCD) made its statement while blasting the newspaper for a recent article about the prospects of peace negotiations between Moscow and Kiev.

“In order to write this text, the Russian Federation has used American journalists who were recruited during their work in Russia,” the CCD said in a statement on social media, without elaborating.

The story published by the New York Times on Saturday lists its Moscow bureau chief Anton Troianovski, together with staff writers Adam Entous and Julian E. Barnes, in the byline.
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