Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

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[...] And this is not a war crime, but rather helping Ukraine get rid of the unwanted legacy of the USSR.

For that you would need to resuscitate the millions of Ukrainians that were starved to death by Stalin.

The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.

And you there wondering why are they fighting for uh??

The biggest mistake of Ukraine was handing over the strategic bombers and the nukes that the commies left there. I am guessing that if they have nukes in their territory in the future they may not make that mistake.

You have a very low culture of argument if you allow yourself to substitute concepts like this. This doesn't make you an interesting conversationalist. I would respect you more if you found the strength to admit that you were wrong in blaming Russia for damaging the dams on the Dnieper. Because the only dam that was damaged on the Dnieper is the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station dam, this happened a year ago and there is no evidence that Russia did it (but there is numerous evidence that that dam was repeatedly shelled by Ukraine).

[paxmao]

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[...] And this is not a war crime, but rather helping Ukraine get rid of the unwanted legacy of the USSR.

For that you would need to resuscitate the millions of Ukrainians that were starved to death by Stalin.

The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.

And you there wondering why are they fighting for uh??

The biggest mistake of Ukraine was handing over the strategic bombers and the nukes that the commies left there. I am guessing that if they have nukes in their territory in the future they may not make that mistake.

You have a very low culture of argument if you allow yourself to substitute concepts like this. This doesn't make you an interesting conversationalist. I would respect you more if you found the strength to admit that you were wrong in blaming Russia for damaging the dams on the Dnieper. Because the only dam that was damaged on the Dnieper is the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station dam, this happened a year ago and there is no evidence that Russia did it (but there is numerous evidence that that dam was repeatedly shelled by Ukraine).

Again the Khakova dam denial? You cannot destroy a dam like that one by just shelling, even if there was shelling. It is also something that benefits Ruzzia done at the time in which was more beneficial for Ruzzia. It is just senseless to deny.

I am absolutely fine with you not respecting my conversations skills, but also I am guessing that you are ignoring that a hydroelectric central is basically a dam + a few turbines and other electrical equipment? Anyway...

https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-shelling-severely-damages-ukraine-s-zaporizhzhia-dam/7573570.html

In late March, Russian shelling severely damaged Ukraine’s largest hydroelectric plant. The attack on the Dnipro Hydroelectric Power Station and dam in the frontline city of Zaporizhzhia is a challenge for locals and those living both up and downstream. Eva Myronova has the story, narrated by Anna Rice.

It probably does not come out in your official TV channels, so it is ok if you just do not know what is happening in Ukraine, nor probably further 1 km away from your own living place.

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Again the Khakova dam denial? You cannot destroy a dam like that one by just shelling, even if there was shelling. It is also something that benefits Ruzzia done at the time in which was more beneficial for Ruzzia. It is just senseless to deny.

This is a weak argument. Sabotage on the Nord Stream is clearly beneficial to the United States, but this is not strong evidence of US guilt.

I am absolutely fine with you not respecting my conversations skills, but also I am guessing that you are ignoring that a hydroelectric central is basically a dam + a few turbines and other electrical equipment? Anyway...

https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-shelling-severely-damages-ukraine-s-zaporizhzhia-dam/7573570.html

In late March, Russian shelling severely damaged Ukraine’s largest hydroelectric plant. The attack on the Dnipro Hydroelectric Power Station and dam in the frontline city of Zaporizhzhia is a challenge for locals and those living both up and downstream. Eva Myronova has the story, narrated by Anna Rice.

It probably does not come out in your official TV channels, so it is ok if you just do not know what is happening in Ukraine, nor probably further 1 km away from your own living place.

So what is a war crime here? This is normal military work to weaken the military-industrial potential of Ukraine as part of the general task of its demilitarization. In addition to the two hydroelectric power stations on the Dnieper, the hydroelectric power station on the Dniester, the thermal power plant near Kiev and many others also stopped generating. In general, since the beginning of spring, Ukraine has lost about half of its electricity and heat generation, or 80-90% of its entire generation except nuclear power plants. What are you complaining about here?

[Branko]

It probably does not come out in your official TV channels, so it is ok if you just do not know what is happening in Ukraine, nor probably further 1 km away from your own living place.

Obviously, he should listen to propaganda channel like VOA to get "real" info.

LOL

[paxmao]

It probably does not come out in your official TV channels, so it is ok if you just do not know what is happening in Ukraine, nor probably further 1 km away from your own living place.

Obviously, he should listen to propaganda channel like VOA to get "real" info.

LOL

Branko, are you saying that the dam I said was attacked by Ruzzia was not attacked by Ruzzia or just making casual comments?

[Branko]

It probably does not come out in your official TV channels, so it is ok if you just do not know what is happening in Ukraine, nor probably further 1 km away from your own living place.

Obviously, he should listen to propaganda channel like VOA to get "real" info.

LOL

Branko, are you saying that the dam I said was attacked by Ruzzia was not attacked by Ruzzia or just making casual comments?

NATO itself said dams are legal target (at least when NATO bomb them).
So why should we use one rule for NATO, and another for Russia?

[Branko]

BTW; earlier I forgot a link about Russian attack on Germany:

https://twitter.com/SergioLor3/status/1786390919421345834

[paxmao]

It seems that Ukraine has received gliding bombs from US and these are being used in the front. These have been a major Ruzzian advantage and Ukraine does not have a good answer to them (likely to change when some f16 arrive). There are being used to soften fortifications and cause chaos before the meatwaves.

It is interesting how Ukraine may be able to use this strategy. Again my guess, they are going to have f16s on patrol well behind the front and use HARM (some have a range of 150 km) to destroy any radar that lights up and use the old soviet planes to throw glide bombs. It may perfectly work.

BTW; earlier I forgot a link about Russian attack on Germany:

https://twitter.com/SergioLor3/status/1786390919421345834

Has Ruzzia claimed the "attack" or are you making it up? In any case, it is good that Europe understand the true intentions of Putin, it will help people understand that we cannot longer hope for peace instead of creating deterrence. Who knows, Germany may clean the dust from their old files on how to create nukes.

Curiously, from friendly phone talks, Macron is now voicing out the possibility of sending troops to Ruzzia, which is likely to happen if some hybrid attack happens in France. What is certain is that the AASM 250 & 1000KG French glide bombs have been used near Krinky. These demolished some drone operator buildings in one hit.

Edited: It seems that a SU25 got shot down.

[Branko]

Ukrainian meat ...I mean soldier, is not happy that someone stole money
intended for building trenches and fortifications:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12031

Ukrainian drones just bounce off Russian countermeasures and explode harmlessly:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12028

Poor Ukrainian tank dead before arrival:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12026

Ukrainians celebrate orthodox Easter despite democratic ban on Orthodox church in Ukraine:

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/21780

Ukrainian neonazis failed to stop march of WW2 veterans in Manhattan

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/21778

[DaRude]

It seems that Ukraine has received gliding bombs from US and these are being used in the front. These have been a major Ruzzian advantage and Ukraine does not have a good answer to them (likely to change when some f16 arrive). There are being used to soften fortifications and cause chaos before the meatwaves.

It is interesting how Ukraine may be able to use this strategy. Again my guess, they are going to have f16s on patrol well behind the front and use HARM (some have a range of 150 km) to destroy any radar that lights up and use the old soviet planes to throw glide bombs. It may perfectly work.

BTW; earlier I forgot a link about Russian attack on Germany:

https://twitter.com/SergioLor3/status/1786390919421345834

Has Ruzzia claimed the "attack" or are you making it up? In any case, it is good that Europe understand the true intentions of Putin, it will help people understand that we cannot longer hope for peace instead of creating deterrence. Who knows, Germany may clean the dust from their old files on how to create nukes.

Curiously, from friendly phone talks, Macron is now voicing out the possibility of sending troops to Ruzzia, which is likely to happen if some hybrid attack happens in France. What is certain is that the AASM 250 & 1000KG French glide bombs have been used near Krinky. These demolished some drone operator buildings in one hit.

Edited: It seems that a SU25 got shot down.

Let's ignore the range of Russia's S-300 and S-400, and Russian air-to-air R-37 missile. Let's not listen how everyone is saying that F16s don't have a fighting chance given Russia's air-defense systems. and how Much-vaunted US-supplied glide bombs given to Ukraine “didn’t work”, the Pentagon has admitted. and that Russian forces have hit on a cheap way to foil US precision weapons in Ukraine, The new weapon, rapidly delivered to Ukraine, has repeatedly failed in combat, a US official said. or the fact that US won't even allow Ukraine to use F16 to hit SAMs or aircraft inside Belarus or Russia US Doesn't Support Ukraine Using American Weapons in Russia: Ambassador. We all totally believe you that few old fourth generation fighters will defeat all Russian SAMs and 4th and 5th gen fighters. Perhaps it's time to realize that this is beyond some silly pride and admitting being wrong, and to stop senseless losses you should follow the Ukrainian command and start pivoting towards negotiation (Ukraine peace talks alternative to inevitable battlefield defeat, says senior general) instead of peddling yet another "game changer" weapon   Take a break put emotions aside, and give it a thought, that's all i'm saying.

[Hetadrop]

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

[DaRude]

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

[paxmao]

It seems that Ukraine has received gliding bombs from US and these are being used in the front. These have been a major Ruzzian advantage and Ukraine does not have a good answer to them (likely to change when some f16 arrive). There are being used to soften fortifications and cause chaos before the meatwaves.

It is interesting how Ukraine may be able to use this strategy. Again my guess, they are going to have f16s on patrol well behind the front and use HARM (some have a range of 150 km) to destroy any radar that lights up and use the old soviet planes to throw glide bombs. It may perfectly work.

BTW; earlier I forgot a link about Russian attack on Germany:

https://twitter.com/SergioLor3/status/1786390919421345834

Has Ruzzia claimed the "attack" or are you making it up? In any case, it is good that Europe understand the true intentions of Putin, it will help people understand that we cannot longer hope for peace instead of creating deterrence. Who knows, Germany may clean the dust from their old files on how to create nukes.

Curiously, from friendly phone talks, Macron is now voicing out the possibility of sending troops to Ruzzia, which is likely to happen if some hybrid attack happens in France. What is certain is that the AASM 250 & 1000KG French glide bombs have been used near Krinky. These demolished some drone operator buildings in one hit.

Edited: It seems that a SU25 got shot down.

Let's ignore the range of Russia's S-300 and S-400, and Russian air-to-air R-37 missile. Let's not listen how everyone is saying that F16s don't have a fighting chance given Russia's air-defense systems. and how Much-vaunted US-supplied glide bombs given to Ukraine “didn’t work”, the Pentagon has admitted. and that Russian forces have hit on a cheap way to foil US precision weapons in Ukraine, The new weapon, rapidly delivered to Ukraine, has repeatedly failed in combat, a US official said. or the fact that US won't even allow Ukraine to use F16 to hit SAMs or aircraft inside Belarus or Russia US Doesn't Support Ukraine Using American Weapons in Russia: Ambassador. We all totally believe you that few old fourth generation fighters will defeat all Russian SAMs and 4th and 5th gen fighters. Perhaps it's time to realize that this is beyond some silly pride and admitting being wrong, and to stop senseless losses you should follow the Ukrainian command and start pivoting towards negotiation (Ukraine peace talks alternative to inevitable battlefield defeat, says senior general) instead of peddling yet another "game changer" weapon   Take a break put emotions aside, and give it a thought, that's all i'm saying.

I am sure that Ruzzian people and pilots feel very comforted by you precision-targeting words. And I am sure the ground forces are very happy that the gilding bombs "do not work". We may be seeing a few videos of Ukrainian glide bombs "not working" along the next months.
https://youtu.be/7KGEkYhw1pA?t=94

 However:

1.  There is abundant photographic evidence of S400 & S300 being destroyed by ATACAMS - curiously, one of the threat they are supposed to destroy.
2. The good thing about F16 is that they are linked with the NATO systems. AWACS, satellites and nearly every mean of detection out there can provide the target and the F16 can send "a present" to the Ruzzia Air-defence forces beyond their range. Oh, you can of course bring the S300 closer to the front, that would be a great idea... what could go wrong?

As usual, your hand picked set of articles tends to ignore some facts replacing them with "opinions". Most of you previous links had also opinions that never materialised in facts  so... same old same old.

But it does not matter for the troops, they are the ones on the receiving end. There is a strategy in place, supplies and the will to carry it out. Not bad for "loosing".

Oh, I am happy that the Ruzzian ambassador is saying that the US does not support the use of US weapons in Ruzzia. He would no lie, would he? And the US would not lie about that either, would they?

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Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

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None of that is true. You do not seek peace, you seek surrender. You use all the news that are partial to one side, which means that you are seeking peace in very specific terms - Putin terms. do be such a hypocrite, it is embarrassing.

The peace you seek is just a stop to rearm Ruzzia and get the war going again in a few years.

[DaRude]

It seems that Ukraine has received gliding bombs from US and these are being used in the front. These have been a major Ruzzian advantage and Ukraine does not have a good answer to them (likely to change when some f16 arrive). There are being used to soften fortifications and cause chaos before the meatwaves.

It is interesting how Ukraine may be able to use this strategy. Again my guess, they are going to have f16s on patrol well behind the front and use HARM (some have a range of 150 km) to destroy any radar that lights up and use the old soviet planes to throw glide bombs. It may perfectly work.

BTW; earlier I forgot a link about Russian attack on Germany:

https://twitter.com/SergioLor3/status/1786390919421345834

Has Ruzzia claimed the "attack" or are you making it up? In any case, it is good that Europe understand the true intentions of Putin, it will help people understand that we cannot longer hope for peace instead of creating deterrence. Who knows, Germany may clean the dust from their old files on how to create nukes.

Curiously, from friendly phone talks, Macron is now voicing out the possibility of sending troops to Ruzzia, which is likely to happen if some hybrid attack happens in France. What is certain is that the AASM 250 & 1000KG French glide bombs have been used near Krinky. These demolished some drone operator buildings in one hit.

Edited: It seems that a SU25 got shot down.

Let's ignore the range of Russia's S-300 and S-400, and Russian air-to-air R-37 missile. Let's not listen how everyone is saying that F16s don't have a fighting chance given Russia's air-defense systems. and how Much-vaunted US-supplied glide bombs given to Ukraine “didn’t work”, the Pentagon has admitted. and that Russian forces have hit on a cheap way to foil US precision weapons in Ukraine, The new weapon, rapidly delivered to Ukraine, has repeatedly failed in combat, a US official said. or the fact that US won't even allow Ukraine to use F16 to hit SAMs or aircraft inside Belarus or Russia US Doesn't Support Ukraine Using American Weapons in Russia: Ambassador. We all totally believe you that few old fourth generation fighters will defeat all Russian SAMs and 4th and 5th gen fighters. Perhaps it's time to realize that this is beyond some silly pride and admitting being wrong, and to stop senseless losses you should follow the Ukrainian command and start pivoting towards negotiation (Ukraine peace talks alternative to inevitable battlefield defeat, says senior general) instead of peddling yet another "game changer" weapon   Take a break put emotions aside, and give it a thought, that's all i'm saying.

I am sure that Ruzzian people and pilots feel very comforted by you precision-targeting words. And I am sure the ground forces are very happy that the gilding bombs "do not work". We may be seeing a few videos of Ukrainian glide bombs "not working" along the next months.
https://youtu.be/7KGEkYhw1pA?t=94

 However:

1.  There is abundant photographic evidence of S400 & S300 being destroyed by ATACAMS - curiously, one of the threat they are supposed to destroy.
2. The good thing about F16 is that they are linked with the NATO systems. AWACS, satellites and nearly every mean of detection out there can provide the target and the F16 can send "a present" to the Ruzzia Air-defence forces beyond their range. Oh, you can of course bring the S300 closer to the front, that would be a great idea... what could go wrong?

As usual, your hand picked set of articles tends to ignore some facts replacing them with "opinions". Most of you previous links had also opinions that never materialised in facts  so... same old same old.

But it does not matter for the troops, they are the ones on the receiving end. There is a strategy in place, supplies and the will to carry it out. Not bad for "loosing".

You're desperately continue trying to pass an exceptions for a rule, despite even pentagon admitting otherwise, so you're arguing with their assessment too now? Well, that should be all the evidence anyone needs to come to my conclusion. just don't question about its success rate, how many didn't make it, or how many new units the other side brought online since the start.

“But often, we just don’t get the weapons systems at the time we need them — they come when they’re no longer relevant,” another senior officer said, citing the F-16 fighter jets as an example. A dozen or so F-16s are expected to be operational this summer, after basic pilot training has been completed. “Every weapon has its own right time. F-16s were needed in 2023; they won’t be right for 2024,” he said.
And that’s because, according to this officer, Russia is ready to counter them: “In the last few months, we started to notice missiles being fired by the Russians from Dzhankoy in northern Crimea, but without the explosive warheads. We couldn’t understand what they were doing, and then we figured it out: They’re range-finding,” he said. The officer explained that Russia’s been calculating where best to deploy its S-400 missile and radar systems in order to maximize the area they can cover to target the F-16s, keeping them away from the front lines and Russia’s logistical hubs.

One former F-16 pilot told Insider he wouldn't want to fly missions over Ukraine right now, saying that the aircraft can't outmatch Russia's air-defense systems.

Fourth-generation fighters "have no business in a modern-day battlefield," John Venable, a 25-year veteran of the US Air Force, told Insider in a recent interview.

But do tell us how you know better than just some opinion of an actual F-16 pilot, just make sure not to cite anything, because you know we all totally believe you

[Hispo]

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

[paxmao]

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

Why are you surprised that the largest investors in the world, who own stakes in nearly any business out there also have stakes in Ukraine? These are not "benefactors", they are investment funds that look for business where ever they can find an opportunity.

Ukraine eventually will have to repay the debt like any other country. Even Ruzzia was paying the bonds until it defaulted due to being excluded from the payment mechanisms.

[BADecker]

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So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

Why are you surprised that the largest investors in the world, who own stakes in nearly any business out there also have stakes in Ukraine? These are not "benefactors", they are investment funds that look for business where ever they can find an opportunity.

Ukraine eventually will have to repay the debt like any other country. Even Ruzzia was paying the bonds until it defaulted due to being excluded from the payment mechanisms.

Here you are, talking against Ukraine, but NOT the people who are 'funding' Ukraine. What is the debt that Ukraine will eventually have to repay? It's almost nothing... so close to nothing that it almost can't be seen. So, where is the real debt?

Suppose you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't save it. You would be lucky, if you were a billionaire. You could buy a new artificial arm that could even give you the simulated sense of touch and feel. But it might cost billions.

Big Business owes the virtually unlimited debt of total lives of something like 600,000 people killed in this useless war. Nobody can even begin to think about what it would really take to give these people their lives back. But it is the fault of Big Business that they died, through their funding of Ukraine.

You are beginning to understand. But you are still missing it.

[Hispo]

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

Why are you surprised that the largest investors in the world, who own stakes in nearly any business out there also have stakes in Ukraine? These are not "benefactors", they are investment funds that look for business where ever they can find an opportunity.

Ukraine eventually will have to repay the debt like any other country. Even Ruzzia was paying the bonds until it defaulted due to being excluded from the payment mechanisms.

Perhaps I misunderstood what kind of investment or business we are talking about then. Did those companies have stakes on Ukraine before or after the war started? Because to this day I had assume most if not all of the war funding coming to Ukraine was being collected by the United States, though the Internal Revenue Service.
If Blackrock and other conglomerates had stakes on Ukraine before the war, in industrial sectors which do not have anything to do with the war effort, then it is different situation than giving money to Ukraine after the war starter, for them to be able to buy ammo and weapons.

Also, I have seen other posts here in the forum on the alledged plan of Blackrock to be part on the rebuilding of Ukraine as soon as the war is over, though, I am not sure about implications of a foreign private entity like that assisting a sovereign country. It would make more sense in the European Union agreed on letting Ukraine to become a member and contribute economically in the recovering of the country.

[paxmao]

Hey... another Ukrainian glide bomb "not working".

https://t.me/osirskiy/671

Perhaps I misunderstood what kind of investment or business we are talking about then. Did those companies have stakes on Ukraine before or after the war started? Because to this day I had assume most if not all of the war funding coming to Ukraine was being collected by the United States, though the Internal Revenue Service.
If Blackrock and other conglomerates had stakes on Ukraine before the war, in industrial sectors which do not have anything to do with the war effort, then it is different situation than giving money to Ukraine after the war starter, for them to be able to buy ammo and weapons.

Also, I have seen other posts here in the forum on the alledged plan of Blackrock to be part on the rebuilding of Ukraine as soon as the war is over, though, I am not sure about implications of a foreign private entity like that assisting a sovereign country. It would make more sense in the European Union agreed on letting Ukraine to become a member and contribute economically in the recovering of the country.

Investment funds do not fund wars as such, they seek opportunities wherever these are. Thanks to Putin, it is very likely that Ukraine will be rebuilt by a combination of European and US companies. The investment funds allocate the investors money (which may even be of the Ruzzian elites!!) to  whatever project or business looks good - and Ukraine will be full of opportunity for business and people if it can be made strong enough as to have Ruzzia not coming back.

Seriously, sometimes I think that Putin is a CIA agent, he has done more for the US weapons industry and for NATO expansion and for US investment than any US president!

The funds to Ukraine, as this may surprise you, come mostly for Europe (I am not sure if right now they are par with US) as state aid. They pay two main things: a) the general spending of the country and the state b) The military aid.

However, the military aid is not sent as money (this is what dumBAss does not get), it is spend in the US and European factories and the products are sent to Ukraine.

[Hispo]

A little bit off topic, but I just read the Kremlin has started to recruit people fromm una in order to keep the war going in the eastern front. Specifically, people from Cuba (where minimum wage is less than 30$) is being kured through internet to join the Russian army in exchange of a salary of 2000$ and the possibility to apply for Russian nationality.
I had heard Ukraine was alledgely running out of people to fight the war, but I did not expect something similar could be happening in Russia.

Obviously, It has been already proven an important percentage of Russians are not willing to get in the front, otherwise many young men would have not fled the country as they did at the beginning of the conflict.
Regardless of what it is actually going on, I doubt those cuban men are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into, though, I would not judge them if they monthly payment in their island is less than what anyone of us would easily spend for dinner.