Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paid2]

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

[Hispo]

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

If I am not mistaken, I believe the Kremlin may try to aim to Africa in the future, once whatever happens to Ukraine is done. It is not a coincidence there has been Warner operatives in Africa before and also the fact that after the recent African coups, many people in those countries denounced the influence of France while waving Russian flags in solidarity with Putin and the Kremlin.
While China seems to use loans and economical influence to bring countries to do their bidding, Russia prefers to act in the shadows and use their political and military influence to get developed countries in the sphere of their influence.

To me, international leave would not be possible as long as there is a big country (regardless whether it is Russia or UsA) which is willing to be against smaller ones for the sake of power and annexation of territory for themselves. Anyone could be next to fall for a loan trap or being forced to do the will of the super-power, otherwise in the detriment of their territorial integrity. Id wish this war would have never happen, it was completely unnecessary.

[DaRude]

This is the only conflict in which i can stay neutral and i am actually neutral in it. I want to know details about it because i am curious but other then that i have no interest in it.

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

Should we care about all "protests" organized by countries to expand their sphere of influence, or we should ignore them all except when done by Russia? What if they bring cookies and make lots of promises?



https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/23/ukraine-ammunition-shortages-front-lines-pleitgen-pkg-ovn-hnk-vpx.cnn

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

[paxmao]

Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

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It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

[suchmoon]

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

[DaRude]

Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

...

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

You guys are desperately trying too hard, and pilling on the silliest things just cause you feel you need to react when you really don't. The statement was "...I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians..." i simply inquired for him to expand on his statement "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" Then you ask me, the person who asked to clarify the initial question, if I mean recently? I mean whatever the person posting the initial questioned meant, ask him. I believe Ukraine is still a country so you probably misspoke there. You mean asking Cubans in exile (in US?) what they think? Haha really? How about we ask Ukrainians in exile in Russia who they think is at fault, cause according to you that's how you get objective answers?

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

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[paxmao]

Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

...

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

You guys are desperately trying too hard, and pilling on the silliest things just cause you feel you need to react when you really don't. The statement was "...I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians..." i simply inquired "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" Then you ask me, the person who asked to clarify the initial question, if I mean recently? I mean whatever the person posting the initial questioned meant, ask him. I believe Ukraine is still a country so you probably misspoke there. You mean asking Cubans in exile (in US?) what they think? Haha really? How about we ask Ukrainians in exile in Russia who they think is at fault, cause according to you that's how you get objective answers?

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

No, you are again lying in plain sight. You have made a question, you have quoted above! "How many countries has Ruzzia devastated", which is the standard human prompt for seeking a reaction, and you are getting an answer: Yes Ruzzia has devastated countries, but mostly smashed nationalities which could have become countries and that is now, historically and since there are written records of the existence of anything called Ruzzia.

BTW, personally, I choose when to react.

You have made a ridiculous statement and we are point it out.

[DaRude]

No, you are again lying in plain sight. You have made a question, you have quoted above! "How many countries has Ruzzia devastated", which is the standard human prompt for seeking a reaction, and you are getting an answer: Yes Ruzzia has devastated countries, but mostly smashed nationalities which could have become countries and that is now, historically and since there are written records of the existence of anything called Ruzzia.

BTW, personally, I choose when to react.

You have made a ridiculous statement and we are point it out.

Reread my post. Don't put things in quotes that i didn't say (the edit on last post was for clarification but didn't change the subject). The main questions were "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" and for comparison "how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US?" i did not get an answer from initial poster, or a clear answer from you. Instead you just posted a link of countries where Wagner operated in, nitpicking on wording of the initial statement, and then claim that i'm the one making ridiculous statements? I get that you're trying to dismiss everything that i say but you're just getting to the point of absurdity here.

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If you'd rather change it to "nationalities" I can give you that. And we can generalize to all countries so not to be biased about visiting this or that country. So how many nationalities Russia has devastated and how many have been devastated by the US? So we can clearly see the exception or the rule. We can even do by population if you wish, i'll wait...

[paxmao]

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I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

Re-read your own posts and do not say that you are not seeking a reaction when making 3 or 4 biased questions in a row.

To the topic, Ruzzia does exert hard and soft power at leisure - has been doing it forever to keep an empire of nations that they even call "blacks" in the same racist sense you could use the "nigg**" word in the US or "Paki" in UK, etc... They have intervened in conflicts all over Africa, they have invaded Ukraine and have smashed the would be nations around them.

[suchmoon]

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

Sure you can ask. It's just that as with all your "questions" the only reason you're doing this is so that you could bury it in a pile of fallacies... "these weren't really countries"... "you've only been to 2 countries so the other 198 haven't been devastated"... "it was USSR not Russia"... "they would have been worse off if US did it"... am I right?

Despite the obvious facts of how e.g. half of Europe was fucked by Russia for 45 years after WWII, you will continue to deny everything.

[DaRude]

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I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

Re-read your own posts and do not say that you are not seeking a reaction when making 3 or 4 biased questions in a row.

To the topic, Ruzzia does exert hard and soft power at leisure - has been doing it forever to keep an empire of nations that they even call "blacks" in the same racist sense you could use the "nigg**" word in the US or "Paki" in UK, etc... They have intervened in conflicts all over Africa, they have invaded Ukraine and have smashed the would be nations around them.

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

Sure you can ask. It's just that as with all your "questions" the only reason you're doing this is so that you could bury it in a pile of fallacies... "these weren't really countries"... "you've only been to 2 countries so the other 198 haven't been devastated"... "it was USSR not Russia"... "they would have been worse off if US did it"... am I right?

Despite the obvious facts of how e.g. half of Europe was fucked by Russia for 45 years after WWII, you will continue to deny everything.

Point being all world powers exert soft and hard power to control and expand their spheres of influences, some do it more, some less. Any attempt to claim that Russia devastated Africa is just laughable. Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili a true Russian native right, but who cares lets just blame evil Putin for what USSR did too.
When spheres of influences are clearly misaligned (considering proximity and integration) the transitions are natural and usually mostly painless (like when USSR fell apart). But this obviously was not that case with Ukraine, it's right on a boarder with Russia and was almost fully integrated with Russia, language, religion, intermarriage, etc etc etc.... Now the big question, when the decision was made to attempt to take Ukraine from Russia with soft power (cookies) do you think people making the decision were so incompetent (criminal negligence) that they were so wrong and  couldn't predict current outcome, or the decision was made with full knowledge (with think tanks, research institutes etc...) they were fully aware of the probability of the current outcome and still decided to make the call despite this? A shame that it'll take dozens of years before all of the interesting goverment communications are declassified.

Back from 2014 US coup in Ukraine and the "Fuck the EU" claim from the US diplomats/delegation in Ukraine

7 February 2014

Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
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Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Biden and Jake Sullivan were involved in this from the start, and we're currently witnessing political opponent (Trump) fully exploiting this. Think at this point everyone knows what happens next...

[paxmao]

Significant strikes have happened during the last two days in Crimea. Airfields first, and then a missile ship. I think that at this rate the Black Sea fleet is going to become the black sea open-sea aquarium if the war goes on for a year. Ruzzia is attacking wave after wave and smashing littles villages and a couple of mid-sized towns. I wonder if the economics work when comparing that with the Moscova, the submarine lost, the ILs and SUs lost and now a small-ish rocket boat from a few marine drone attack.

The crew of the ship... well, no chance of survival -  around 40 people punched the exit ticket from the world of the living. Just do not be stupid and do not die for Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAx3F8vdeU8

[tvbcof]

Here's a pretty good example of proper use of intel:

 - Figure out which Ukrainian generals are buying the highest numbers of villa's in Europe.
 - Attack in their zones knowing that their troops will be particularly weak and deprived of material.

The Ukie forces trying to defend the Joobietz river are melting like butter.

[LTU_btc]

Significant strikes have happened during the last two days in Crimea. Airfields first, and then a missile ship. I think that at this rate the Black Sea fleet is going to become the black sea open-sea aquarium if the war goes on for a year. Ruzzia is attacking wave after wave and smashing littles villages and a couple of mid-sized towns. I wonder if the economics work when comparing that with the Moscova, the submarine lost, the ILs and SUs lost and now a small-ish rocket boat from a few marine drone attack.

The crew of the ship... well, no chance of survival -  around 40 people punched the exit ticket from the world of the living. Just do not be stupid and do not die for Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAx3F8vdeU8

Black Sea fleet is eventually turning into submarine fleet. Saw video how they completely destroyed ship Ivanovets, that one looked really impressive. And it's all done by country that have no naval.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDZVA_2t0PY
Regarding to Il-76 that was hit by Ukraine recently. Russia tried to push version that this plane was full of Ukrainian POW's which were sent for exchange. If that would be case, I'm sure that Russia would show field full of dead bodies and parts of bodies. But all they have done is showing images of several bodies which is difficult to identify. And somehow it's difficult to believe that there was just 3 Russian troops to take care of 65 Ukrainia POW's. Sounds like way too small number of guards for such big number of Ukrainian's

[DaRude]

Significant strikes have happened during the last two days in Crimea. Airfields first, and then a missile ship. I think that at this rate the Black Sea fleet is going to become the black sea open-sea aquarium if the war goes on for a year. Ruzzia is attacking wave after wave and smashing littles villages and a couple of mid-sized towns. I wonder if the economics work when comparing that with the Moscova, the submarine lost, the ILs and SUs lost and now a small-ish rocket boat from a few marine drone attack.

The crew of the ship... well, no chance of survival -  around 40 people punched the exit ticket from the world of the living. Just do not be stupid and do not die for Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAx3F8vdeU8

Black Sea fleet is eventually turning into submarine fleet. Saw video how they completely destroyed ship Ivanovets, that one looked really impressive. And it's all done by country that have no naval.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDZVA_2t0PY
Regarding to Il-76 that was hit by Ukraine recently. Russia tried to push version that this plane was full of Ukrainian POW's which were sent for exchange. If that would be case, I'm sure that Russia would show field full of dead bodies and parts of bodies. But all they have done is showing images of several bodies which is difficult to identify. And somehow it's difficult to believe that there was just 3 Russian troops to take care of 65 Ukrainia POW's. Sounds like way too small number of guards for such big number of Ukrainian's

UAVs and UWVs (water?) are definitely changing the landscape of the battlefields. Guessing their profile is low enough to hide between waves from the radar, and small arms doesn't work well vs a swarm. Country doesn't have to have a navy/air force to use drones, Iran is not much of an aerial power but we all know how devastating their drones are. As far as drumming up Ukraine abilities, with the full intel of US and NATO, all of their satellites and aircraft constantly patrolling the black sea, and the provided drones with full comms, these sea drones have as much to do with Ukraine as military pilots flying for Vietnam had to do with Vietnam.

Your attempt to poke holes and question Il-76 tragedy is just silly. What is the typical ratio of enforcement agents to prisoners on the transport planes? Russians are just timing this to present a full investigation and reveal evidence to courts/UN at maximum publicity when the timing suits them the best. Why on earth would Russia reveal their cards now so Ukraine can prepare defense and come up with new version of the events? Having tangible proof that American supplied military hardware was used on Russian territory removes US's plausible deniability defense, and forces them to make a choice. Either hard stop on using missiles on Russian territory or de jure US becomes part of the conflict, neither is a good options, of course US can continues to ignore this, but that would set an even worst precedent where now Iran/Russia/others would be able to directly provide missiles to proxies for attack on US/EU assets. Total diplomacy fail, on one hand holding Iran responsible for their drones used by others, while on another attempting to distance itself and claim US is not responsible that their weapons are used inside Russia  

Edit: In fact it almost seems too perfect of a case for Russia. American missiles take down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs inside Russia, this will be for the books. What do you think this does for F16 and Taurus delivery timelines?

[paxmao]

Significant strikes have happened during the last two days in Crimea. Airfields first, and then a missile ship. I think that at this rate the Black Sea fleet is going to become the black sea open-sea aquarium if the war goes on for a year. Ruzzia is attacking wave after wave and smashing littles villages and a couple of mid-sized towns. I wonder if the economics work when comparing that with the Moscova, the submarine lost, the ILs and SUs lost and now a small-ish rocket boat from a few marine drone attack.

The crew of the ship... well, no chance of survival -  around 40 people punched the exit ticket from the world of the living. Just do not be stupid and do not die for Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAx3F8vdeU8

Black Sea fleet is eventually turning into submarine fleet. Saw video how they completely destroyed ship Ivanovets, that one looked really impressive. And it's all done by country that have no naval.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDZVA_2t0PY
Regarding to Il-76 that was hit by Ukraine recently. Russia tried to push version that this plane was full of Ukrainian POW's which were sent for exchange. If that would be case, I'm sure that Russia would show field full of dead bodies and parts of bodies. But all they have done is showing images of several bodies which is difficult to identify. And somehow it's difficult to believe that there was just 3 Russian troops to take care of 65 Ukrainia POW's. Sounds like way too small number of guards for such big number of Ukrainian's

UAVs and UWVs (water?) are definitely changing the landscape of the battlefields. Guessing their profile is low enough to hide between waves from the radar, and small arms doesn't work well vs a swarm. Country doesn't have to have a navy/air force to use drones, Iran is not much of an aerial power but we all know how devastating their drones are. As far as drumming up Ukraine abilities, with the full intel of US and NATO, all of their satellites and aircraft constantly patrolling the black sea, and the provided drones with full comms, these sea drones have as much to do with Ukraine as military pilots flying for Vietnam had to do with Vietnam.

Your attempt to poke holes and question Il-76 tragedy is just silly. What is the typical ratio of enforcement agents to prisoners on the transport planes? Russians are just timing this to present a full investigation and reveal evidence to courts/UN at maximum publicity when the timing suits them the best. Why on earth would Russia reveal their cards now so Ukraine can prepare defense and come up with new version of the events? Having tangible proof that American supplied military hardware was used on Russian territory removes US's plausible deniability defense, and forces them to make a choice. Either hard stop on using missiles on Russian territory or de jure US becomes part of the conflict, neither is a good options, of course US can continues to ignore this, but that would set an even worst precedent where now Iran/Russia/others would be able to directly provide missiles to proxies for attack on US/EU assets. Total diplomacy fail, on one hand holding Iran responsible for their drones used by others, while on another attempting to distance itself and claim US is not responsible that their weapons are used inside Russia  

Edit: In fact it almost seems too perfect of a case for Russia. American missiles take down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs inside Russia, this will be for the books. What do you think this does for F16 and Taurus delivery timelines?

They are certainly changing the landscape of the Black Sea fleet, so it is not like a "neutral" thing, it is more like an asymmetric advantage to the country which has no fleet as such. 90% of the true motivation to invade Ukraine was to be able to use Crimea and the sea port. It is normally kept quiet, but Russia is loosing the sea and littoral battles by failing to take Odesa and then failing to secure their military assets in Crimea.

It does nothing to delivery times. There were clearly not enough bodies for that plane to be carrying anything but weapons. All you are doing is the ordinary mix of half-baked info and Kremlin line interpretation.

You can see the images of the Russian Project 12411 "Ivanovets", a missile carrying ship, being sunk here:

[LTU_btc]

Your attempt to poke holes and question Il-76 tragedy is just silly. What is the typical ratio of enforcement agents to prisoners on the transport planes? Russians are just timing this to present a full investigation and reveal evidence to courts/UN at maximum publicity when the timing suits them the best. Why on earth would Russia reveal their cards now so And likUkraine can prepare defense and come up with new version of the events? Having tangible proof that American supplied military hardware was used on Russian territory removes US's plausible deniability defense, and forces them to make a choice. Either hard stop on using missiles on Russian territory or de jure US becomes part of the conflict, neither is a good options, of course US can continues to ignore this, but that would set an even worst precedent where now Iran/Russia/others would be able to directly provide missiles to proxies for attack on US/EU assets. Total diplomacy fail, on one hand holding Iran responsible for their drones used by others, while on another attempting to distance itself and claim US is not responsible that their weapons are used inside Russia  

Edit: In fact it almost seems too perfect of a case for Russia. American missiles take down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs inside Russia, this will be for the books. What do you think this does for F16 and Taurus delivery timelines?

So, you say that 3 guards for 65 POW's is normal number. C'mon, such number of guards are used to transfer random prisoners from court to prison on road convoy. For this operation I guess that at least double digit of security guards would be used.
Yeah, Russia don't show any proofs just because that Ukrainian wouldn't come with their versionand excuse. If Russia would have undeniable proof, no excuses would help.
And like it would first plane in territory of Russia shot down by Ukraine. And Ukrainians doesn't even hide that they're using Patriot for it, where is the issue? Hiting military targets in territory of Russia is defense, if they would start hitting civilian objects, it would be different question already. And BTW, how you already know that it was American Patriot. Don't forget that Ukraine have Patriot batteries supplied by Germany.

[paxmao]

Your attempt to poke holes and question Il-76 tragedy is just silly. What is the typical ratio of enforcement agents to prisoners on the transport planes? Russians are just timing this to present a full investigation and reveal evidence to courts/UN at maximum publicity when the timing suits them the best. Why on earth would Russia reveal their cards now so And likUkraine can prepare defense and come up with new version of the events? Having tangible proof that American supplied military hardware was used on Russian territory removes US's plausible deniability defense, and forces them to make a choice. Either hard stop on using missiles on Russian territory or de jure US becomes part of the conflict, neither is a good options, of course US can continues to ignore this, but that would set an even worst precedent where now Iran/Russia/others would be able to directly provide missiles to proxies for attack on US/EU assets. Total diplomacy fail, on one hand holding Iran responsible for their drones used by others, while on another attempting to distance itself and claim US is not responsible that their weapons are used inside Russia  

Edit: In fact it almost seems too perfect of a case for Russia. American missiles take down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs inside Russia, this will be for the books. What do you think this does for F16 and Taurus delivery timelines?

So, you say that 3 guards for 65 POW's is normal number. C'mon, such number of guards are used to transfer random prisoners from court to prison on road convoy. For this operation I guess that at least double digit of security guards would be used.
Yeah, Russia don't show any proofs just because that Ukrainian wouldn't come with their versionand excuse. If Russia would have undeniable proof, no excuses would help.
And like it would first plane in territory of Russia shot down by Ukraine. And Ukrainians doesn't even hide that they're using Patriot for it, where is the issue? Hiting military targets in territory of Russia is defense, if they would start hitting civilian objects, it would be different question already. And BTW, how you already know that it was American Patriot. Don't forget that Ukraine have Patriot batteries supplied by Germany.

It is so funny that this guy considers like Ukraine is wrong to hit Ruzzian targets. This is a war, Ruzzia is targeting any short of not just military targets but also infrastructure and sometimes clearly and evident just simple civilian targets, but somehow they believe that retaliating is wrong.

Speaking of which... Where is Gerasimov? There seem to be more and more people asking this question. Any clue in your troll farm da?

[DaRude]

Your attempt to poke holes and question Il-76 tragedy is just silly. What is the typical ratio of enforcement agents to prisoners on the transport planes? Russians are just timing this to present a full investigation and reveal evidence to courts/UN at maximum publicity when the timing suits them the best. Why on earth would Russia reveal their cards now so And likUkraine can prepare defense and come up with new version of the events? Having tangible proof that American supplied military hardware was used on Russian territory removes US's plausible deniability defense, and forces them to make a choice. Either hard stop on using missiles on Russian territory or de jure US becomes part of the conflict, neither is a good options, of course US can continues to ignore this, but that would set an even worst precedent where now Iran/Russia/others would be able to directly provide missiles to proxies for attack on US/EU assets. Total diplomacy fail, on one hand holding Iran responsible for their drones used by others, while on another attempting to distance itself and claim US is not responsible that their weapons are used inside Russia  

Edit: In fact it almost seems too perfect of a case for Russia. American missiles take down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs inside Russia, this will be for the books. What do you think this does for F16 and Taurus delivery timelines?

So, you say that 3 guards for 65 POW's is normal number. C'mon, such number of guards are used to transfer random prisoners from court to prison on road convoy. For this operation I guess that at least double digit of security guards would be used.
Yeah, Russia don't show any proofs just because that Ukrainian wouldn't come with their versionand excuse. If Russia would have undeniable proof, no excuses would help.
And like it would first plane in territory of Russia shot down by Ukraine. And Ukrainians doesn't even hide that they're using Patriot for it, where is the issue? Hiting military targets in territory of Russia is defense, if they would start hitting civilian objects, it would be different question already. And BTW, how you already know that it was American Patriot. Don't forget that Ukraine have Patriot batteries supplied by Germany.

It is so funny that this guy considers like Ukraine is wrong to hit Ruzzian targets. This is a war, Ruzzia is targeting any short of not just military targets but also infrastructure and sometimes clearly and evident just simple civilian targets, but somehow they believe that retaliating is wrong.

Speaking of which... Where is Gerasimov? There seem to be more and more people asking this question. Any clue in your troll farm da?

They were going to be exchanged the next day with their names on the list, i don't expect them to qualify as a high risk for escape. If they're loaded and unloaded with more guards, and shackled during the flight why would you need more? How many agent escort prisoners inside the plane in the west? Cars might get ambushed but planes?

You seem to misunderstand the targeted audience here. I'm pretty sure we're already beyond a point where Russia wants, needs or even can prove anything to Ukraine. The standard operations in such cases is first to deny, and then claim of false flag operation.

I believe all other attacks inside Russia were with "Ukrainian" missiles, old soviet stuff that they had in stock before the 2022. All new weapons are provided on a condition that they won't be used inside Russia. If you know of a patriot missiles used inside of Russia (outside of Crimea which west doesn't consider Russian) post it here i'd love to read about it. You can think that it's defense all you want, but the reality is Ukraine is restricted because it was never meant to win, thought this was already clear to everyone, did you really not know this?

This is back from May 25, 2023 when to get PR boost, Ukraine used Humvees to cross into Russia, it was a big deal, as you can see no one tried to claim defense then and they covered it up by claiming it wasn't Ukrainians there at all. And we haven't heard of any Humvees on Russian soil since then.

"I can't say with definitive accuracy right this minute to you whether that - and I saw the same video - whether that's U.S. supplied equipment or not, what was the nature of the attack, who did what to whom," Milley told a press conference at the Pentagon.
"I can't say that with definitiveness right this minute, but I can say that we have asked the Ukrainians not to use U.S.-supplied equipment for direct attacks into Russia."

Footage of some destroyed vehicles released by the Russian defense ministry showed U.S.-made military hardware such as Humvee military trucks. Reuters was able to confirm the location of damaged vehicles and surrounding details shown in the video, though could not verify the date it was filmed.
Ukraine's government denied any role in the Belgorod raid, which has been claimed by two anti-Kremlin armed groups made up of Russian nationals, some of whom are far-right figures.

Ukraine has said in the past that it will not use longer-range weapons pledged by the United States to hit Russian territory and will only target Russian units on occupied Ukrainian territory.
Milley said restrictions on U.S. support to Ukraine following Russia's February 2022 invasion was aimed at ensuring Kyiv's self-defense against Russian forces inside Ukraine.
"Why is that? Because we don't want - this is a Ukrainian war. It is not a war between the United States and Russia. It's not a war between NATO and Russia," Milley said.

And this is exactly why Russia is doing what it's doing, to undermine the support, and killed POWs will brings extra publicity, i fully expect them to post most graphic images, pictures of shrapnel, flight path etc... during UN hearings to try to get on the front pages of the news, all in due time. I'm sure Ukrainians don't care, but the rest of the world would rather not see Russia provide anti-ship missiles to anti-western groups and then be able to use ignorance as defense, luckily so far that's just not how export of advanced weapons works. (and hopefully this won't set yet another terrible new precedent) As far as which exact NATO country the delivery happened through, it's as important as whether Russian anti-ship missiles would be exported directly or through Belarus i.e. no one cares at all.

Edit: if "It does nothing to delivery times" then what's your genius theory on why haven't they been delivered already? And when will they if ever?

[LTU_btc]

They were going to be exchanged the next day with their names on the list, i don't expect them to qualify as a high risk for escape. If they're loaded and unloaded with more guards, and shackled during the flight why would you need more? How many agent escort prisoners inside the plane in the west? Cars might get ambushed but planes?

Yeah, Russia published list of POW's who were on the plane, but how about that some of these troops were already returned on previous exchanges. And if to believe stories of Ukrainians who were transferred on previous operations, there was much more Russian guards on plane. A bit lazy to search for that article, but if you really need it, can find it.

I believe all other attacks inside Russia were with "Ukrainian" missiles, old soviet stuff that they had in stock before the 2022. All new weapons are provided on a condition that they won't be used inside Russia. If you know of a patriot missiles used inside of Russia (outside of Crimea which west doesn't consider Russian) post it here i'd love to read about it. You can think that it's defense all you want, but the reality is Ukraine is restricted because it was never meant to win, thought this was already clear to everyone, did you really not know this?

This is back from May 25, 2023 when to get PR boost, Ukraine used Humvees to cross into Russia, it was a big deal, as you can see no one tried to claim defense then and they covered it up by claiming it wasn't Ukrainians there at all. And we haven't heard of any Humvees on Russian soil since then.

Nope, I can give you exact example. Back in May Ukraine shot down Su-34, Su-35 and two Mi-8 helicopters. It was done using Patriot and even Ukrainian officials confirmed it:
https://news.yahoo.com/air-force-confirms-destroying-5-171700543.html

Edit: if "It does nothing to delivery times" then what's your genius theory on why haven't they been delivered already? And when will they if ever?

Because West is so slow when it comes to this question. With every new weapon that Ukraine want to get, they have to go through longest, toughest negotiations, what pushes delivery time forward untile Ukraine finally receives it. That's one of reasons why counteroffensivefailed.