Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

Will Russia ever learn? Here they go, making the big, nasty, Ukraine angrier than all get-out. Will Russia even last out the year?  


Swathes Of Ukraine Go Dark After Russia Pummels Electrical Power Facilities In Huge Retaliation
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Oh, I can see that we now got two people posting smiles when people get killed in Ukraine. This is all your concern for peace and people not dying - you are a cynic and a psychopath (apart from that, your are a dumBAss)

And once again you get it wrong. There is no "retaliation", firstly because Ukraine is not invading Ruzzia, it is the opposite and if you choose to ignore that, Ruzzia has done the same several times without any other reason than causing problems to Ukrainians. There is no that much of an effect on the war, it does have an effect in the long term need to rebuild Ukraine.

Oh, before I forget, these strikes are not "revenge" or a decision taken in a day because, even for technical reasons it takes at minimum a month of planning to just program the missiles, get the ships / airframes / launchers in place ... no to mention gather enough missiles.

But this does not nothing but cause some problems, will not change the war. What could have a real effect is Ukraine being able to hit frequently the oil depots and refineries all over western Ruzzia - much better targets, much more expensive, much more difficult to repair and absolutely vital for the financing of the war.

BTW, it seems that Ukraine did get angry after all - there just seems to be a missile strike in Sebastopol.

I hope that after the recent loss of the DneproGES and Europe’s largest underground gas storage facility, Ukraine will begin to more soberly assess its capabilities in causing economic damage to Russia by attacking refineries. If 15,000 Western sanctions didn't work, why should drone attacks work?

Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine. Ruzzia absolutely needs the oil exports not only to use the troops, nor only to be able to pay for the war, but to actually keep the basic social functions of a government and avoid a social collapse. It is highly dependent on the oil export to a ridiculous point.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus

Ruzzia's crude oil and other hydrocarbon exports is around 250 Billions. This is more than half of the total of Ruzzian exports and pretty much the only way to keep the war running. Ukrainian gas exports are not even in their top 5. The gas storage facilities that Europe uses, other than Ukraine, are definitely not in Ukraine.

So, yes Ruzzia can destroy valuable infrastructure and cause lots of problems sure, but the only way of seriously damaging Ukraine would be to close the Odessa port. On that, they have failed over and over.

If I were you, I would be trying to get used to many more hits in refineries and the progressive disappearance of the Ruzzian fleet in the Black Sea, because I do not think that is going to stop unless the US decides to send aid in the amount required to end the war - My guess is that they first want to make sure Ruzzia wastes all the Soviet era stocks.

I cannot blame the US them, it is a good tactic: Europe's economy is damaged, Ruzzia uses up their stocks of missiles and the huge piles of armoured vehicles from the Soviet era and even asks for more weapons from all the enemies of the US. Why do you think they are allowing the war to go on? You do not need to be a genius.

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[BADecker]

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I hope that after the recent loss of the DneproGES and Europe’s largest underground gas storage facility, Ukraine will begin to more soberly assess its capabilities in causing economic damage to Russia by attacking refineries. If 15,000 Western sanctions didn't work, why should drone attacks work?

Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine. Ruzzia absolutely needs the oil exports not only to use the troops, nor only to be able to pay for the war, but to actually keep the basic social functions of a government and avoid a social collapse. It is highly dependent on the oil export to a ridiculous point.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus

Ruzzia's crude oil and other hydrocarbon exports is around 250 Billions. This is more than half of the total of Ruzzian exports and pretty much the only way to keep the war running. Ukrainian gas exports are not even in their top 5. The gas storage facilities that Europe uses, other than Ukraine, are definitely not in Ukraine.

So, yes Ruzzia can destroy valuable infrastructure and cause lots of problems sure, but the only way of seriously damaging Ukraine would be to close the Odessa port. On that, they have failed over and over.

If I were you, I would be trying to get used to many more hits in refineries and the progressive disappearance of the Ruzzian fleet in the Black Sea, because I do not think that is going to stop unless the US decides to send aid in the amount required to end the war - My guess is that they first want to make sure Ruzzia wastes all the Soviet era stocks.

I cannot blame the US them, it is a good tactic: Europe's economy is damaged, Ruzzia uses up their stocks of missiles and the huge piles of armoured vehicles from the Soviet era and even asks for more weapons from all the enemies of the US. Why do you think they are allowing the war to go on? You do not need to be a genius.

You make a good point for Russia. Russia has stockpiles, and it is getting more from its allies.

Ukraine doesn't have any stockpiles. It is completely dependent on the US and Nato.... both of which are extremely limited in their stockpiles, having wasted them uselessly on Ukraine.

But the clincher is that when Trump gets in, there won't be any more supplies for Ukraine, period. To see why Trump will win... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466238.msg63862655#msg63862655.

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Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine.

A massive missile strike on the ground infrastructure of the largest underground gas storage facility is an absolutely symmetrical Russian response to Ukrainian attacks on refineries. Just like the attack on the DneproGES. And no, this will not stop Ukraine, just as attacks on oil refineries do not stop Russia. Ukraine and the West imposed a war of attrition on Russia, and Russia accepted this challenge.

I would especially like to note the pinpoint accuracy of the strike on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station. The dam did not suffer any damage, but it will take about a year of restoration work to restore generation to at least 50% of its capacity. Ukraine has become an energy-deficient country and, instead of exporting energy, is now forced to import it.

[paxmao]

Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine.

A massive missile strike on the ground infrastructure of the largest underground gas storage facility is an absolutely symmetrical Russian response to Ukrainian attacks on refineries. Just like the attack on the DneproGES. And no, this will not stop Ukraine, just as attacks on oil refineries do not stop Russia. Ukraine and the West imposed a war of attrition on Russia, and Russia accepted this challenge.

I would especially like to note the pinpoint accuracy of the strike on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station. The dam did not suffer any damage, but it will take about a year of restoration work to restore generation to at least 50% of its capacity. Ukraine has become an energy-deficient country and, instead of exporting energy, is now forced to import it.

Be... You would need like 100 missiles to take the dam down. This is not "pinpoint" accuracy, it is basic physics. Ruzzia knows that this would damage floodgates and part of the electrical infrastructure but not because they Psychos in your army would not want to destroy it completely, but just because that is as much as they can do.

You can say strikes are symmetrical, but I have provided figures that proof of asymmetrical the effects are but to put it even easier Ruzzia´s whole economy hangs on the nail of exporting oil, Ukraine does not in having gas facilities. Figures in my previous post show this to anyone willing to see it.

My guess is that Ukraine has not targeted more refineries, terminals and oil storage just because they did not have the native technology to do so, which now they do have and they were possibly on an agreement with US not to rise oil prices, which given the reluctance of MAGAs to fund the war does not longer matter much.

As said, keep some gas in a can, you may need it.

[Branko]

Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine.

A massive missile strike on the ground infrastructure of the largest underground gas storage facility is an absolutely symmetrical Russian response to Ukrainian attacks on refineries. Just like the attack on the DneproGES. And no, this will not stop Ukraine, just as attacks on oil refineries do not stop Russia. Ukraine and the West imposed a war of attrition on Russia, and Russia accepted this challenge.

I would especially like to note the pinpoint accuracy of the strike on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station. The dam did not suffer any damage, but it will take about a year of restoration work to restore generation to at least 50% of its capacity. Ukraine has become an energy-deficient country and, instead of exporting energy, is now forced to import it.

Be... You would need like 100 missiles to take the dam down. This is not "pinpoint" accuracy, it is basic physics. Ruzzia knows that this would damage floodgates and part of the electrical infrastructure but not because they Psychos in your army would not want to destroy it completely, but just because that is as much as they can do.

You can say strikes are symmetrical, but I have provided figures that proof of asymmetrical the effects are but to put it even easier Ruzzia´s whole economy hangs on the nail of exporting oil, Ukraine does not in having gas facilities. Figures in my previous post show this to anyone willing to see it.

My guess is that Ukraine has not targeted more refineries, terminals and oil storage just because they did not have the native technology to do so, which now they do have and they were possibly on an agreement with US not to rise oil prices, which given the reluctance of MAGAs to fund the war does not longer matter much.

As said, keep some gas in a can, you may need it.

Really? So it was not you who claimed Russian missiles were responsible for destroyed Ukrainian dam 2 years ago?
Even some rooineks media reported it:
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-dambusters-strike-siverskyi-donets-28070617

[coolcoinz]

Just look at the destruction on both sides. If this continues, I don't see how anybody can claim victory. Russia has recently lost 4 military ships and suffered damage to its refineries and Ukraine's power grid was attacked in retaliation, not to mention missile attacks on Kyiv and Lviv. Then there's a terrorist attack in Moscow and so it continues.
2 years forward and Russia will lose all of its military potential, while Ukraine will turn into a barren wasteland that nobody will be able to use for any agricultural or industrial production for another decade.

Fun fact, Russians are finally starting to admit that they're at war. after 2 years it's no longer a special operation

[LTU_btc]

Just look at the destruction on both sides. If this continues, I don't see how anybody can claim victory. Russia has recently lost 4 military ships and suffered damage to its refineries and Ukraine's power grid was attacked in retaliation, not to mention missile attacks on Kyiv and Lviv. Then there's a terrorist attack in Moscow and so it continues.
2 years forward and Russia will lose all of its military potential, while Ukraine will turn into a barren wasteland that nobody will be able to use for any agricultural or industrial production for another decade.

Fun fact, Russians are finally starting to admit that they're at war. after 2 years it's no longer a special operation

Yeah, war is going for more than 2 years and there is no signs of near end of it. Hundreds of thousand people from both sides killed and injured, whole cities and infrastructure destroyed, lossing military potential. Considering these things, it will be difficult to call someone as winner.
And when Russia is advancing further and taking some ruins of what used to be town or village, such photos is best indicator what Russia brings.
BTW, it's fun to watch how Russia is desperately trying to blame Ukraine for terrorist attack in Moscow, despite that they have zero arguments and proofs to back their accusations.

[swogerino]

Just look at the destruction on both sides. If this continues, I don't see how anybody can claim victory. Russia has recently lost 4 military ships and suffered damage to its refineries and Ukraine's power grid was attacked in retaliation, not to mention missile attacks on Kyiv and Lviv. Then there's a terrorist attack in Moscow and so it continues.
2 years forward and Russia will lose all of its military potential, while Ukraine will turn into a barren wasteland that nobody will be able to use for any agricultural or industrial production for another decade.

Fun fact, Russians are finally starting to admit that they're at war. after 2 years it's no longer a special operation

Yeah, war is going for more than 2 years and there is no signs of near end of it. Hundreds of thousand people from both sides killed and injured, whole cities and infrastructure destroyed, lossing military potential. Considering these things, it will be difficult to call someone as winner.
And when Russia is advancing further and taking some ruins of what used to be town or village, such photos is best indicator what Russia brings.
BTW, it's fun to watch how Russia is desperately trying to blame Ukraine for terrorist attack in Moscow, despite that they have zero arguments and proofs to back their accusations.

It is a known practice from Russia to make themselves terrorist attacks in order to justify using even more means of war than they already have so I am not surprised at all.Just recall in 2002 when they blew up in a similar fashion blaming someone else and using that as a pretext to start a war against Chechnya.I also agree there will be no real winners here as both countries beside big losses in human life Ukraine more than 500.000 persons overall and Russia over 300.000 persons overall shows that they have both not won anything out of this war and Ukraine for sure didn't start the war.Russian economy has taken the hardest hit out of this war ongoing for more than 2 years spending a lot of resources and having difficulties now to be in the same economic power they were before the war.

[Branko]

Rooineks admit they could not fight Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/weakened-uk-military-two-months-war-russia/

[paxmao]

Rooineks admit they could not fight Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/weakened-uk-military-two-months-war-russia/

Oh, I can see your level of English is not good enough to understand this, let me translate: "UK could not fight Ruzzia for 2 months" means we want to reduce social care, raise the state pension age, put more taxes and raise the military salaries and get the public health system to even a lower standard and buy weapons instead.

And the funny thing is that it is quite likely to happen, as Ruzzia pushes people perceive that they are under threat. As the joke in the US marines goes "our enemies are about to find out that we do not have a public health system".

Anyway, if the situation comes, the UK would call Ukraine for help, they seem to know how to drone Ruzzis.

[BADecker]

Rooineks admit they could not fight Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/weakened-uk-military-two-months-war-russia/

Oh, I can see your level of English is not good enough to understand this, let me translate: "UK could not fight Ruzzia for 2 months" means we want to reduce social care, raise the state pension age, put more taxes and raise the military salaries and get the public health system to even a lower standard and buy weapons instead.

And the funny thing is that it is quite likely to happen, as Ruzzia pushes people perceive that they are under threat. As the joke in the US marines goes "our enemies are about to find out that we do not have a public health system".

Anyway, if the situation comes, the UK would call Ukraine for help, they seem to know how to drone Ruzzis.

Sounds more like your level of thinking is not that good. But we knew that, now didn't we.

[paxmao]

Rooineks admit they could not fight Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/weakened-uk-military-two-months-war-russia/

Oh, I can see your level of English is not good enough to understand this, let me translate: "UK could not fight Ruzzia for 2 months" means we want to reduce social care, raise the state pension age, put more taxes and raise the military salaries and get the public health system to even a lower standard and buy weapons instead.

And the funny thing is that it is quite likely to happen, as Ruzzia pushes people perceive that they are under threat. As the joke in the US marines goes "our enemies are about to find out that we do not have a public health system".

Anyway, if the situation comes, the UK would call Ukraine for help, they seem to know how to drone Ruzzis.

Sounds more like your level of thinking is not that good. But we knew that, now didn't we.

There is at least one serious study that claims that US citizens are one of the most non-contextual receivers of messages. In words that you can understand, you just do not get it and do not see even the most simple double meanings. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjxgI2c6pyFAxW7hf0HHaAoBdIQFnoECAIQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fastcompany.com%2F3059534%2Fthe-american-style-of-business-speaking-and-why-you-need-to-master%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520U.S.%2520is%2520generally%2520a%2Cget%2520straight%2520to%2520the%2520facts.&usg=AOvVaw3ZtrxfehIcXCv7L9soUgWd&opi=89978449

Now to serious matters (for context, since you tend to miss it, this implies you are not a serious matter dumBAss, nor anything you say), the glorious Air defence forces or Ruzzia have gloriously taken down their own SU-27. The pilot has survived, which speaks of either how hard are these planes or how weak are the air to air missiles depending on your point of view.

[BADecker]

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Sounds more like your level of thinking is not that good. But we knew that, now didn't we.

There is at least one serious study that claims that US citizens are one of the most non-contextual receivers of messages. In words that you can understand, you just do not get it and do not see even the most simple double meanings. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjxgI2c6pyFAxW7hf0HHaAoBdIQFnoECAIQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fastcompany.com%2F3059534%2Fthe-american-style-of-business-speaking-and-why-you-need-to-master%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520U.S.%2520is%2520generally%2520a%2Cget%2520straight%2520to%2520the%2520facts.&usg=AOvVaw3ZtrxfehIcXCv7L9soUgWd&opi=89978449

Now to serious matters (for context, since you tend to miss it, this implies you are not a serious matter dumBAss, nor anything you say), the glorious Air defence forces or Ruzzia have gloriously taken down their own SU-27. The pilot has survived, which speaks of either how hard are these planes or how weak are the air to air missiles depending on your point of view.

Lol. I'm simply enjoying your name calling. I'm not against you or anything like that. In fact, I feel rather sorry for you.

Do you remember the sanctions against Russia, and how they have improved her condition? The sanction-makers knew that Russia would improve because of them. That's why they did them. World behind-the-scenes leaders are building Russia up as their new home from where they will rule the world.

Ukraine is done for right now. Ukraine, itself is a long lost nothing. As the US and Nato fail, where are you going to go or be? You would be safer saying nothing, and quietly moving to Russia. Remember, Putin is offering 2.5 acres of land in Siberia for homesteading. Not nearly enough, but you could get your whole family involved, and maybe get 20 acres or more.

I mean, Polish people have big families, right? And they all support each other, right?

[paxmao]

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Sounds more like your level of thinking is not that good. But we knew that, now didn't we.

There is at least one serious study that claims that US citizens are one of the most non-contextual receivers of messages. In words that you can understand, you just do not get it and do not see even the most simple double meanings. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjxgI2c6pyFAxW7hf0HHaAoBdIQFnoECAIQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fastcompany.com%2F3059534%2Fthe-american-style-of-business-speaking-and-why-you-need-to-master%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520U.S.%2520is%2520generally%2520a%2Cget%2520straight%2520to%2520the%2520facts.&usg=AOvVaw3ZtrxfehIcXCv7L9soUgWd&opi=89978449

Now to serious matters (for context, since you tend to miss it, this implies you are not a serious matter dumBAss, nor anything you say), the glorious Air defence forces or Ruzzia have gloriously taken down their own SU-27. The pilot has survived, which speaks of either how hard are these planes or how weak are the air to air missiles depending on your point of view.

Lol. I'm simply enjoying your name calling. I'm not against you or anything like that. In fact, I feel rather sorry for you.

Do you remember the sanctions against Russia, and how they have improved her condition? The sanction-makers knew that Russia would improve because of them. That's why they did them. World behind-the-scenes leaders are building Russia up as their new home from where they will rule the world.

Ukraine is done for right now. Ukraine, itself is a long lost nothing. As the US and Nato fail, where are you going to go or be? You would be safer saying nothing, and quietly moving to Russia. Remember, Putin is offering 2.5 acres of land in Siberia for homesteading. Not nearly enough, but you could get your whole family involved, and maybe get 20 acres or more.

I mean, Polish people have big families, right? And they all support each other, right?

Name calling? You mean dumBAss? That is not name calling, it is a description.

It is ok to feel sorry, but if I were you well... you are wishing for a number of things that you will die without seeing and it is due to your lack of ability to see clearly and to convince others that you see clearly. That lack of meaning in your life is something to be sorry about - loosing the time you have been given on earth like that... what an immorality. If the NATO ever falls, you are going to have much bigger worries than writing stupid things here, that I can assure you.

Now to serious things - again, this means that all you have said is mumbling idiotic stuff - it seems that the Republicans will actually have to vote to deny or accept the aid to Ukraine. The speaker is confident it is getting in the agenda. Better late than never.

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Now to serious things - again, this means that all you have said is mumbling idiotic stuff - it seems that the Republicans will actually have to vote to deny or accept the aid to Ukraine. The speaker is confident it is getting in the agenda. Better late than never.

The big lie is that aid to Ukraine in the United States is blocked by the House of Representatives of Congress. Biden has the ability to provide military assistance bypassing Congress, he just isn't using it. Ukraine has ceased to be interesting for the United States because no one wants to be associated with losers.

[paxmao]

Now to serious things - again, this means that all you have said is mumbling idiotic stuff - it seems that the Republicans will actually have to vote to deny or accept the aid to Ukraine. The speaker is confident it is getting in the agenda. Better late than never.

The big lie is that aid to Ukraine in the United States is blocked by the House of Representatives of Congress. Biden has the ability to provide military assistance bypassing Congress, he just isn't using it. Ukraine has ceased to be interesting for the United States because no one wants to be associated with losers.

Actually, Biden is using it, but to send a 60 billion package, which is what is in discussion, it does require passing an specific bill. The presidential drawdown authority is capped and there needs to be a bill to increase it.

https://www.state.gov/use-of-presidential-drawdown-authority-for-military-assistance-for-ukraine/

 Republicans (MAGAs) blocked it requesting a deal for Mexico's border. Biden accepted and the Trump blocked it anyway, because without that problem in the border, he would actually have little left to offer other than 4 years of name-calling and rants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/can-biden-keep-us-aid-flowing-ukraine-gop-chaos-house-rcna118907

Just have a look at the news, it is easy to see the procedures and how the aid gets there. I think it has to either arrive by summer, or accept that there will be a difficult summer despite France's transfer of weapons recently announced.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-send-old-armoured-vehicles-new-missiles-ukraine-2024-03-31/

It is hundreds old vehicles but also modern air defences. Should that air defence be well placed and sufficient, the Ruzzian army would struggle to through the major obstacles using the gliding FABs.

[be.open]

Now to serious things - again, this means that all you have said is mumbling idiotic stuff - it seems that the Republicans will actually have to vote to deny or accept the aid to Ukraine. The speaker is confident it is getting in the agenda. Better late than never.

The big lie is that aid to Ukraine in the United States is blocked by the House of Representatives of Congress. Biden has the ability to provide military assistance bypassing Congress, he just isn't using it. Ukraine has ceased to be interesting for the United States because no one wants to be associated with losers.

Actually, Biden is using it, but to send a 60 billion package, which is what is in discussion, it does require passing an specific bill. The presidential drawdown authority is capped and there needs to be a bill to increase it.

https://www.state.gov/use-of-presidential-drawdown-authority-for-military-assistance-for-ukraine/

 Republicans (MAGAs) blocked it requesting a deal for Mexico's border. Biden accepted and the Trump blocked it anyway, because without that problem in the border, he would actually have little left to offer other than 4 years of name-calling and rants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/can-biden-keep-us-aid-flowing-ukraine-gop-chaos-house-rcna118907

I know very well all the ins and outs of this Speakeriad in the House of Representatives of the US Congress. Ukraine is actively used by both parties as a bargaining chip in the election race, but Ukraine itself has long been of no serious interest to anyone in the United States; it is waste material.

I remember a couple of years ago there was a lot of talk about lend-lease until it ended. Do you know how much military aid was provided to Ukraine under lend-lease? That's right, not at all.

Just have a look at the news, it is easy to see the procedures and how the aid gets there. I think it has to either arrive by summer, or accept that there will be a difficult summer despite France's transfer of weapons recently announced.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-send-old-armoured-vehicles-new-missiles-ukraine-2024-03-31/

It is hundreds old vehicles but also modern air defences. Should that air defence be well placed and sufficient, the Ruzzian army would struggle to through the major obstacles using the gliding FABs.

Ahaha. France talks a lot and does little. I think even the Baltic countries provided more assistance to Ukraine than France. All of Macron’s bellicose rhetoric is aimed mainly at the domestic audience, where they once again threaten the nightmare that Le Pen’s party could win in the summer. Well, an attempt to lower the economically weakening Germany in France’s struggle for European strategic leadership. And also to soften the pain of the loss of African colonies. In general, this has nothing to do with Ukraine.

[paxmao]

Now to serious things - again, this means that all you have said is mumbling idiotic stuff - it seems that the Republicans will actually have to vote to deny or accept the aid to Ukraine. The speaker is confident it is getting in the agenda. Better late than never.

The big lie is that aid to Ukraine in the United States is blocked by the House of Representatives of Congress. Biden has the ability to provide military assistance bypassing Congress, he just isn't using it. Ukraine has ceased to be interesting for the United States because no one wants to be associated with losers.

Actually, Biden is using it, but to send a 60 billion package, which is what is in discussion, it does require passing an specific bill. The presidential drawdown authority is capped and there needs to be a bill to increase it.

https://www.state.gov/use-of-presidential-drawdown-authority-for-military-assistance-for-ukraine/

 Republicans (MAGAs) blocked it requesting a deal for Mexico's border. Biden accepted and the Trump blocked it anyway, because without that problem in the border, he would actually have little left to offer other than 4 years of name-calling and rants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/can-biden-keep-us-aid-flowing-ukraine-gop-chaos-house-rcna118907

I know very well all the ins and outs of this Speakeriad in the House of Representatives of the US Congress. Ukraine is actively used by both parties as a bargaining chip in the election race, but Ukraine itself has long been of no serious interest to anyone in the United States; it is waste material.

I remember a couple of years ago there was a lot of talk about lend-lease until it ended. Do you know how much military aid was provided to Ukraine under lend-lease? That's right, not at all.

Just have a look at the news, it is easy to see the procedures and how the aid gets there. I think it has to either arrive by summer, or accept that there will be a difficult summer despite France's transfer of weapons recently announced.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-send-old-armoured-vehicles-new-missiles-ukraine-2024-03-31/

It is hundreds old vehicles but also modern air defences. Should that air defence be well placed and sufficient, the Ruzzian army would struggle to through the major obstacles using the gliding FABs.

Ahaha. France talks a lot and does little. I think even the Baltic countries provided more assistance to Ukraine than France. All of Macron’s bellicose rhetoric is aimed mainly at the domestic audience, where they once again threaten the nightmare that Le Pen’s party could win in the summer. Well, an attempt to lower the economically weakening Germany in France’s struggle for European strategic leadership. And also to soften the pain of the loss of African colonies. In general, this has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Talks first, actions to follow. Until very recently Macron has been quite quiet about the war. He has backed down from requesting a direct intervention to promising aid which is much more likely. Counting on Le Pen winning is nor really a strategy for Putin, it is more of a hope - I mean if Le Pen really stops support to Ukraine, which I doubt.

Of course, the baltic countries are providing the most help, they are closer to Putin's Ruzzia and they know what it means. There are now talks of providing Gripens to Ukraine (much much better option than f-16, as they can be based in pretty much any road in the middle of a forest.

For now, nothing is very clear IMO.

[be.open]

Talks first, actions to follow. Until very recently Macron has been quite quiet about the war. He has backed down from requesting a direct intervention to promising aid which is much more likely. Counting on Le Pen winning is nor really a strategy for Putin, it is more of a hope - I mean if Le Pen really stops support to Ukraine, which I doubt.

Of course, the baltic countries are providing the most help, they are closer to Putin's Ruzzia and they know what it means. There are now talks of providing Gripens to Ukraine (much much better option than f-16, as they can be based in pretty much any road in the middle of a forest.

For now, nothing is very clear IMO.

It’s interesting that you ignored the first part of my message, that it is not Congress, but Biden, who has been slowing down the allocation of aid to Ukraine since the end of last year, essentially pushing this problem to Europe.

In the case of France, I can say that sometimes words are just words. Germany helps Ukraine the most, and it is the country that gets the most crap for insufficient support. France is basically pushing all sorts of illiquid assets onto Ukraine, which otherwise would have to be disposed of at a high cost. Although the French Scalp missiles and Caesar self-propelled guns are quite good, let me remind you that it was France that for a long time torpedoed the purchase of shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces outside the EU.

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I feel like both Germany and France are trying to repent for what they were doing in 2022. Back then France was still trading with Russia despite the ban and supplying them with weapon sights, while Germany was blocking aid coming from the UK. As for the support that they now provide, it's better late then never, as the saying goes.

Every country is playing its own game, trying to boast, put pressure, test their equipment, strike new deals, you name it. The first euphoric wave of support for Ukraine has burned out and the Zelensky made it happen in his own way by threatening other countries, complaining and demanding more help. The longer this war lasts I feel like there's not going to be any winners. Even if Russia manages to hold more land that it had in 2021, the cost of it will be far greater than the value. Basically they're paying with a hundred lives and millions of dollars worth of equipment for every square kilometre of land that will be useles for farming because of the amount of contaminants in the soil after all the bombing and shelling.