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Author Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]  (Read 96683 times)
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June 23, 2026, 09:03:23 PM
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If you don't care about achieving any strategical goals or territory gains, or pulling reserves away from Pokrovsk leading to Russia taking that strategically important city and opening the rest of Donbas to Russia, or loosing elite Ukrainian units to North Korean fighters, and only care about PR political points for your speeches in EU then sure guess, in that case, it might be considered that it went well  Roll Eyes

Your statement implies that now it no longer matters to keep the Russians busy? What changed, or just acceptance of inevitability?
So, destroying Russian oil factories and cutting off Crimea is just PR stunt which has no real impact? Ok...

About that pole, only 8 days after i posted this British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is expected to resign on Monday and outline a timetable for his departure looks like Startmer is the first to fall this Monday, who'll be next Macron or Merz? It's a total mystery why EU people don't support their leaders, first Biden, now Starmer ...  Roll Eyes
Not sure how resigning of Brittish PM is related to Macron, Merz or even Biden. If you haven't noticed, change of Brittish PM is another day at the office, considering how many changed in recent years and it mostly related to internal affairs

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June 24, 2026, 09:43:03 AM
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If you don't care about achieving any strategical goals or territory gains, or pulling reserves away from Pokrovsk leading to Russia taking that strategically important city and opening the rest of Donbas to Russia, or loosing elite Ukrainian units to North Korean fighters, and only care about PR political points for your speeches in EU then sure guess, in that case, it might be considered that it went well  Roll Eyes

Your statement implies that now it no longer matters to keep the Russians busy? What changed, or just acceptance of inevitability?
So, destroying Russian oil factories and cutting off Crimea is just PR stunt which has no real impact? Ok...

About that pole, only 8 days after i posted this British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is expected to resign on Monday and outline a timetable for his departure looks like Startmer is the first to fall this Monday, who'll be next Macron or Merz? It's a total mystery why EU people don't support their leaders, first Biden, now Starmer ...  Roll Eyes
Not sure how resigning of Brittish PM is related to Macron, Merz or even Biden. If you haven't noticed, change of Brittish PM is another day at the office, considering how many changed in recent years and it mostly related to internal affairs

As everyone knows, Russia has huge surplus of oil and processed oil based products, which it exports. So hitting those Russian oil refineries hits Russia financially and lowers supply of refined petroleum products on the market, meaning higher costs at the pump in Europe. Ultimately it hits both sides financially. Now, the real question here is who does it hurt more. Crimea is not "cut off", there's no shortages of food or anything else there besides petrol products. It appears to be a stunt to force Russia to reroute oil deliveries to Crimea over Kerch Bridge (Russia stopped doing that after last attack) for the purpose of attacking that bridge once again. EU is trying so hard to paint Putin as this illogical, irrational, madman, that they themselves started to believe it, and are paying for that. Russia didn't succumb to pressure and didn't pull troops from Pokrovsk to sent them to Kursk, and so far, the Kerch bridge stands.

"mostly related to internal affairs" you funny, right right, of course how could i forget that nothing that happens in EU could be related to Ukraine. Should we all just act surprised when ultra rights come to power in EU, its kinda hard to deny them leading in polls everywhere. Perhaps it'd be easier to convince everyone that it's just a coincidence and totally not related to EU sending billions to Ukraine instead of their own schools, infrastructure, making its manufacturing competitive, or preferring expensive "freedom" gas from US instead of cheap pipeline gas?

And for the record, how would things look if it was related to external affairs? That is, how else can Europeans show their disapproval at sending billions to Ukraine and refusing cheap Russian resources?

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June 24, 2026, 06:09:11 PM
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As everyone knows, Russia has huge surplus of oil and processed oil based products, which it exports. So hitting those Russian oil refineries hits Russia financially and lowers supply of refined petroleum products on the market, meaning higher costs at the pump in Europe. Ultimately it hits both sides financially. Now, the real question here is who does it hurt more. Crimea is not "cut off", there's no shortages of food or anything else there besides petrol products. It appears to be a stunt to force Russia to reroute oil deliveries to Crimea over Kerch Bridge (Russia stopped doing that after last attack) for the purpose of attacking that bridge once again. EU is trying so hard to paint Putin as this illogical, irrational, madman, that they themselves started to believe it, and are paying for that. Russia didn't succumb to pressure and didn't pull troops from Pokrovsk to sent them to Kursk, and so far, the Kerch bridge stands.

"mostly related to internal affairs" you funny, right right, of course how could i forget that nothing that happens in EU could be related to Ukraine. Should we all just act surprised when ultra rights come to power in EU, its kinda hard to deny them leading in polls everywhere. Perhaps it'd be easier to convince everyone that it's just a coincidence and totally not related to EU sending billions to Ukraine instead of their own schools, infrastructure, making its manufacturing competitive, or preferring expensive "freedom" gas from US instead of cheap pipeline gas?

And for the record, how would things look if it was related to external affairs? That is, how else can Europeans show their disapproval at sending billions to Ukraine and refusing cheap Russian resources?
I doubt that Ukraine has task to make shortage of food or anything else in Crimea. While lack of petrol is something what affects daily life very significant and also makes supply to frontline more complicated. BTW, big part of Crimea also faced blackout of electricity:
https://www.ft.com/content/7107a1c1-8025-4237-947f-40fa39c9d2fe?syn-25a6b1a6=1
These strikes aren't going to affect Europe because % of petrol based products that Europe is buying from Russia is so insignificant that it can't have impact. Only thing that EU is buying from Russia is is LNG.
Yeah, PM's is changing often in UK, but which one resigned because of Ukraine question? Johnson resigned after domestic scandal, Sunak lost elections, Starmer was changed because of economics in UK and affairs in their own party. But as you see, despite all these changes their stance on Ukraine question doesn't changes, unlike in some other countries like Slovakia or Bulgaria.

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