Sanction isn't the right option

[Freeesta]

For a country like Russia, sanctions will only benefit, will develop its own production of goods. Already, gasoline prices in Russia are falling. And this is part of the cost of production. By continuing the policy of sanctions, we support the Russian economy and ruin our own. I think it is necessary to negotiate.

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[Yogee]

For a country like Russia, sanctions will only benefit, will develop its own production of goods. Already, gasoline prices in Russia are falling. And this is part of the cost of production. By continuing the policy of sanctions, we support the Russian economy and ruin our own. I think it is necessary to negotiate.

Even a big and powerful country like Russia will fall eventually even of they are rich in natural resouces when they do not have trade partners. They cannot produce everything so it's important that they continue their "friendly" relationship with China and countries in the middle East.

[goaldigger]

For a country like Russia, sanctions will only benefit, will develop its own production of goods. Already, gasoline prices in Russia are falling. And this is part of the cost of production. By continuing the policy of sanctions, we support the Russian economy and ruin our own. I think it is necessary to negotiate.

Sanctions will still hit Russia in long term, yes they have a low cost of fuel but who will use all of them if they can’t import it on many countries? Most probably their supply will increase and its value will slowly go down. This is the best solution so far aside from a peace talk, we can’t go for a war with Russia, they will feel that sanctions sooner or later but we also have to suffer first.

[Darker45]

Well, in the first place, what are the other options? It's either the western countries will impose economic sanctions like what they are doing right now or get involved militarily or attack Russia directly or not do anything at all. I guess those are the only options on the table. And the best one I suppose is to impose economic sanctions. That's not good, of course, as innocent Russian civilians are the ones who will bear the brunt. However, that must be the most peaceful thing to do and the one option that would pressure Russia at the same time not push it to use its nuclear arsenal.

Well, if there is a way to take out Putin and his inner circle, that must be the best option with the least collateral damage.

[Marvell1]

For a country like Russia, sanctions will only benefit, will develop its own production of goods. Already, gasoline prices in Russia are falling. And this is part of the cost of production. By continuing the policy of sanctions, we support the Russian economy and ruin our own. I think it is necessary to negotiate.

Sanctions will not benefit anyone including the US and Nato, but sanctions will certainly not cause the Russian economy to collapse. they have stood firm over the years by previous sanctions.
Russia is the second largest oil exporter in the world and the world needs energy to sustain it. There is no way to completely block Russian supply, and China is an example of this. China will benefit if the US and the West ban oil and gas imports from Russia.

[Poker Player]

Sanctions will not benefit anyone including the US and Nato, but sanctions will certainly not cause the Russian economy to collapse. they have stood firm over the years by previous sanctions.

Do you realize that this is a fallacy? Just because something hasn't happened so far doesn't mean it will never happen.

Let's look at it with another example: since Marvell1 has not died so far, he will never die. Do you see it now?

Sanctions, just like war, are bad for everyone, and exacerbate economic problems that came from before the war, but they are an alternative tool to getting into a direct military conflict with Russia, therefore they are a lesser evil.

[raidarksword]

Economic Sanctions on Russia were necessary to condemned the attack on Ukraine soil  and this is righteous one act for other countries to join the battle over it. This is better hence provoking Russia more will result to World War III and this will become more nasty and more innocent lives will be at stake.

[Sled]

Well, if there is a way to take out Putin and his inner circle, that must be the best option with the least collateral damage.

All the countries who are against Putin voted on this option. It is possible that this Sanction will neutralize Russia's economic system pushing them to stop evading Ukraine otherwise, their economic situation will down. Although it affects the global economic growth, I believe this gonna be the best option rather than fighting them back as surely it costs more lives. Leaders can't afford to do that, it should be done in the other way and this "sanction" befoe effective as what we see.

[TheNineClub]

You do realise that you are actually indirectly supporting the Nazis to some extent, don't you? Hitler and his pathetic Nazi cronies tried to take revenge and got screwed royally in the process.

How? By pointing out that a downed economy, poverty, and sanctions have given rise to ultranacionalism? How is that supporting the Nazis? They didn't et to power in a bubble, all of their actions had a precursor in something else. That doesn't mean ultranationalism or any other form of nationalism should be accepted nor is it justified, but it sure didn't rise up out of nowhere. The economic mistakes made after WWI, that gave rise to nationalism served as a reminder of how not to approach a defeated country and as we all know, a different approach has been taken after WWII that would assure both reparations to those who need it, but also a push to the economies of defeated countries (Germany, Japan). So saying that this is in direct support of the Nazis is just flat-out wrong and is ignoring the wider historical picture from which we can learn a great deal.

[_act_]

Russia is not a superpower. It is deeply corrupt at every level of society, it doesn't have any significant technological progress in any sphere, mostly it is just living off the remnants of its Soviet legacy. Its economy was built around exports of fossil fuels

EU is no longer willing to deal with Russia again and this is even beyond the fossil fuel imported from Russia. I have read how some products are also exported from Russia to US and Canada, all these countries with good economy are no longer willing to deal with Russia. If Russia against all these nations, sanctions will later have negative effect on Russia, a country that prefer power than citizens, a country that do not like how the Soviet Union failed to continuing existing.

[davis196]

Comparing the post-World War 1 reparations to the western sanctions against Russia seems kinda wrong to me.Refusing to do business with a country is one thing,demanding a country to pay a gazillion dollars is a completely different thing.Reparations are way worse than sanctions.
A huge part of the WW1 reparations were cancelled by the western countries,during the late 20s and early 30s,so that the German economy could recover,but the Great depression struck and the rest is history.
I don't think that the sanctions will turn the Russian people into extremists.Many people in Russia don't support the war in Ukraine.Don't believe the Putin propaganda.

 

[Reid]

It's an option to topple the economy of Russia but it doesn't mean it will be successful.
There are other countries who does need the supply of oil and look at it this way, in their country they will have the higher supply which means better economy, bills going down and gas price sinking. While us who are affected by the sanction will also sacrifice with the sudden price hikes.
Middle East will put a higher value in it because of the demand.
Again, this war is not about them because they are not the ones being affected. It is us below but they will force their egos just to prove who is the strongest.

[ChiBitCTy]

I mean I wouldn’t say that no one learns from history, that is after all the whole point of history, learning from the past. That’s at least why I’ve always loved history and studied it closely. I think trying to cripple Russia with sanctions is really all we can do at this point in time. If NATO were to try and fight back at all, that would assuredly start World War III. Then China gets involved and we probably all will die , so I think we are doubt the best we can right now without starting another war.

[Erumo]

For a country like Russia, sanctions will only benefit, will develop its own production of goods. Already, gasoline prices in Russia are falling. And this is part of the cost of production. By continuing the policy of sanctions, we support the Russian economy and ruin our own. I think it is necessary to negotiate.

Yeah, they will build their own "blackjack and hookers". But first they will need to get out from stone age they will stuck for ages. What whole world would have next decade? AI everywhere? Russia will have their own AI, to bad it will ride on the rails only. And you need a wagon with AAA batteries to keep it working. With all respect to Russian scientists and manufacturers, they are fully dependable from the other world. And sanctions - they never help anyone.

[darewaller]

Well, Putin are using the sanctions as a tool to motivate his citizens to direct their blame and anger on the West. He already proclaimed that the sanctions are hurting the West more.. than it is hurting his country. (Oil prices skyrocketed and he is laughing all the way to the Bank as a result of that)

Also... Russia is a Communist country and they are used to poverty, so isolation from the Western cultures and luxurious goods and services, will not affect them as hard as it will other Capitalist countries.  

So... yes... The West will be blamed for everything and Putin will use that to his advantage.  

"Oh look comrades, we attacked an innocent nation that never fired a gun at us, and the world is treating us badly because of it!". Lol, Putin is a known liar and a dictator, anyone who still believes a single word that he says is a person who is a traitor to the whole world and should be considered as evil as well, just like Putin.

The world is just reacting the way it suppose to, I wish they did when it was about west attacking other nations too, but they do not however that doesn't mean that whats being done to Russia is not correct. Should be done others is not a way to approach your wrong doing should be not seen by others as well.

[Gyfts]

Sanctions backfire when overused. Right now, the U.S. is going a bit overboard with their sanctions and seizing assets of anyone that might be related to Russia. The obvious result is Russia will instead do business with China and perhaps India, carrying no USD assets and switching to Yuan, among others. USD doesn't have any competitive edge that's worth using anyways. High inflation, reckless sanctions, and sporadic asset forfeitures (imagine having billions frozen just because the U.S. government wants to have a tough appearance).

[Yogee]

Economic Sanctions on Russia were necessary to condemned the attack on Ukraine soil  and this is righteous one act for other countries to join the battle over it. This is better hence provoking Russia more will result to World War III and this will become more nasty and more innocent lives will be at stake.

Better than what? Actually sending troops and military equipment to Ukraine? Yes but more and more sanctions is also pushing Putin to retaliate which is damaging the world economy. Prolonged sanctions and cornering Russia too much could eventually lead to something worse. I like what Gyfts that it would backfire when overused.

[Fortify]

It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

The greatest lesson of history is that no one learns from history. The same thing that is being done with Russia today is being done with Germany. Following Germany's defeat in World War I, Germany was burdened with a huge debt burden of about 269 billion gold coins. In terms of money, it is equivalent to 1 lakh tons of gold. The sole purpose of imposing this huge debt was that France and Britain wanted Germany to break the economic deadlock and not even think of war for the next hundred years. A master plan to subdue Germany without a war.

The problem is, only the weak die in the rice without hitting the hand. If you want to kill someone who has a sword in his hand, he will snatch the rice from you.

This humiliating chapter of the Treaty of Versailles provoked widespread outrage inside Germany. The Allies were to blame for Germany's economic woes at the time, and the people were agitating. When Hit-Lar finally came to power, he completely refused to repay the loan.

This debt burden and all the degrading chapters of the 1st Treaty of Versailles led to the rise of extremism in Germany. By capitalizing on which, the national hero becomes a hit-and-run offensive. Those who pushed for the treaty rather than cripple Germany seemed to invite more rather than avoid war through the treaty. Everyone knows the history of violence in the rest of Europe.

The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

They concede that the attempt to economically cripple Germany at the end of World War I was suicidal, which is why German leaders were tried after World War II but no attempt was made to harm the German nation. But they want to do the same thing with Russia again. It remains to be seen whether the outcome will be the same again or not.

You end by saying that crippling Germany after the war was the problem - not as an attempt to stop them at the beginning of the war. These sanctions are the only alternative that the world has without declaring war on Russia and starting world war 3. Now, how Russia will be made to pay after this war is finished will be a delicate subject that could lead to the situation you describe, but they have caused untold damage and murdered thousands of Ukrainian civilians so far, so the amount of sympathy for anything Russian is tiny right now. Sadly Putin does not have anything left to lose, he is an old man who is almost dead and will happily continue this pointless war as he tries to leave on final legacy. One of his inner circle needs to put this dirty dog in a grave so we can figure out the mess left behind.

[stompix]

The greatest lesson of history is that no one learns from history. The same thing that is being done with Russia today is being done with Germany. Following Germany's defeat in World War I, Germany was burdened with a huge debt burden of about 269 billion gold coins. In terms of money, it is equivalent to 1 lakh tons of gold. The sole purpose of imposing this huge debt was that France and Britain wanted Germany to break the economic deadlock and not even think of war for the next hundred years. A master plan to subdue Germany without a war.
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This debt burden and all the degrading chapters of the 1st Treaty of Versailles led to the rise of extremism in Germany. By capitalizing on which, the national hero becomes a hit-and-run offensive. Those who pushed for the treaty rather than cripple Germany seemed to invite more rather than avoid war through the treaty. Everyone knows the history of violence in the rest of Europe.

The greatest lesson in history only comes when you actually read the history books.
Just how Russians forget that between Napoleon and Hitler there was Napoleon III, Katsura Taro and Wilhelm II.

After the total meltdown during the Weimar Republic, there was a period called the golden twenties, it wasn't that debt that pushed the Nazi party in power during as the late 20s they didn't get even 3% of the votes, it was the Great Depression that triggered a world crisis which would bring them to that point.
So, the chances of history repeating are zero, because first, you have the nazi already in power in Russia, it's not the world that is experiencing a global depression, it's just Russia, and while the nazis did benefit a lot from an already industrialized Germany, all Russia has right now is...rubles.

Sanctions backfire when overused. Right now, the U.S. is going a bit overboard with their sanctions and seizing assets of anyone that might be related to Russia. The obvious result is Russia will instead do business with China and perhaps India, carrying no USD assets and switching to Yuan, among others. USD doesn't have any competitive edge that's worth using anyways.

Huawei has something to say about this. . Oh wait, they haven't anything to say since they don't matter anymore!

[Mauser]

It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

In my opinion the effects of sanctions on a superpower are even worse than on the smaller nations like Venezuela or North Korea. A superpower is usually strongly connected in international trade an relys on exports for the economic growth. Once many nations join in on the sanctions the trade will collapse and send the currency downwards. The lower currency makes imports more expensive, which will make force down the economy even more. In my opinion sanctions are important and should be applied, but the severity of them is a issue. The harder the sanctions the more the ordinary people are going to suffer. This might make people more radical and not change the desired politics. I would expect if you ask people in North Korea, Iran or Venezuela how they feel about the sanctions and their attitude towards the West, they will probably blame more the foreign countries than their own leaders.