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March 30, 2022, 03:50:59 PM
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Whenever you have to be ready to become a soldier, at this time there is no guarantee that the country will be safe, tensions between countries continue to increase even within the country there are also frequent riots caused by many things such as economics, politics and so on, and the presence of cryptocurrencies is certainly a good solution for save assets so that they will be useful in the event of war.
while traditional financial system disturb due war which is not allowed or suspend payment betwen countries, cryptocurrency could break this wall. even between citizen in conflict countries still could maket transaction without known by their government. bitcoin and other cryptocurrency were bordless, we can make transaction to people around the world no matter political or economic condiition.

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March 30, 2022, 05:38:45 PM
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Whenever you have to be ready to become a soldier, at this time there is no guarantee that the country will be safe, tensions between countries continue to increase even within the country there are also frequent riots caused by many things such as economics, politics and so on, and the presence of cryptocurrencies is certainly a good solution for save assets so that they will be useful in the event of war.
while traditional financial system disturb due war which is not allowed or suspend payment betwen countries, cryptocurrency could break this wall. even between citizen in conflict countries still could maket transaction without known by their government. bitcoin and other cryptocurrency were bordless, we can make transaction to people around the world no matter political or economic condiition.
Indeed, with current conditions where there is still a war between Russia and Ukraine, cryptocurrency is a solution for transactions around the world, including areas affected by war.
I think this is the benefit of crypto and we should use it well to help citizens who are victims

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March 31, 2022, 05:09:03 AM
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Economic factors became the foremost calculation when war broke out, especially food for civilians. Of course, with the occurrence of war there will be a decline in the level of the economy, for countries that are not ready to be independent, of course, the people will become victims. on the other hand, of course, many people will seek security for their assets. this aims to anticipate the continuation of his life after the war is over, because the material is physically damaged. therefore this is where the role of cryptocurrency is very helpful for that, because it is driven by all countries in the world, so crypto will not be greatly affected due to the war that occurred between the two countries.
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March 31, 2022, 08:02:24 AM
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The Sanctions were supposed to be a way for Putin to change his mind. Maybe a method to persuade him to back off or maybe give him a way out imo. But since Putin was pretty much sure that he was pushing with the war, the sanctions only served to actually hit the citizens of Russia instead of Putin, which lead to the damage not really hitting Putin that much. I guess they have to push out more stricter sanctions imo, one that would inevitably hit them for a long time to make Putin do a double take on what he's actually doing (which I really doubt, but hey, it wouldn't hurt to try).
Are we sure about that? I feel like it was more about how citizens would be getting worse, and oligarchs would get poorer, so they would all get together and find a way to depose Putin. I mean at the very least just do not let him do election fraud and you will get rid of him. Everyone knows that without election fraud he would have been gone many many years ago, over a decade ago.

The only reason why he is still ruling the nation is the fact that he is capable of stealing elections and many fair third party organizations that checked the elections have said that it was not a fair election at all. This is why sanctions were put, to make sure that everyone hates him.

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March 31, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
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Various countries that support sanctions themselves incur losses, but they understand that this is a payment for democracy, which cannot be obtained for free. Only while the payback for some is the decline of the economy, Ukraine, in addition to the destroyed economy, is also forced to pay with the blood of its citizens.

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March 31, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
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The example of Germany after the First World War is somewhat unobjective - the structure of the world, the world economy, the positions of countries - were very different from the current situation.
The best example is the imposition of sanctions and the collapse of the USSR. I personally found it, and saw how it ended. And here it is very important to compare the situation and the possibilities of the economy of the USSR and modern Russia. The problem is that the economy of the USSR was objectively stronger and for the most part self-sufficient. It could work in isolation for quite a long time, produce a significant part of the necessary products, services, and technologies. No, the USSR was not the most powerful world leader, but they had an economy that would allow (without sanctions), but in isolation to continue working for a long time. The economy of modern Russia is based on raw materials, and Russia itself, today, is a technologically backward country, dependent on the technologies of the West. It is unlikely that you will be able to prove the opposite. It is enough to look at the level of problems that arose in Russia JUST A month after the imposition of sanctions, the situation seems to indicate that such steps have a very strong, negative impact on the Russian economy. At the moment, Russia has some financial inertia and reserves left that will allow it to stay "afloat" for some time. But the loss of the hydrocarbon market, global isolation, and dependence on technology in almost all sectors of the economy, very soon (3-6 months from the current date), will lead, if not to a collapse, then to a significant drop in the level and quality of the economy.

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April 01, 2022, 04:17:04 AM
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I'm sure if the survey shows that the majority of the Russian population does not like war, if sanctions are imposed it will kill many innocent people, the best thing when there is war is to immediately stop the war and ask war leaders to be aware and care about humanity. If sanctions are imposed, the country affected by sanctions will experience difficulties and even create new, more complicated problems.


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April 01, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
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I'm sure if the survey shows that the majority of the Russian population does not like war, if sanctions are imposed it will kill many innocent people, the best thing when there is war is to immediately stop the war and ask war leaders to be aware and care about humanity. If sanctions are imposed, the country affected by sanctions will experience difficulties and even create new, more complicated problems.

If talking was just so easy we couldn't have seen too many wars going on, even minor wars from different countries, not to mention the 2 major world war before.
Of course Russian people who has been heavily affected financially would not want the war to happen in the first place, but I don't think "majority" of them were. However, I guess Russia seems more than ready for the series of economic sanctions that's going to be imposed to them before they've made the attack.

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April 01, 2022, 07:22:11 AM
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I'm sure if the survey shows that the majority of the Russian population does not like war, if sanctions are imposed it will kill many innocent people, the best thing when there is war is to immediately stop the war and ask war leaders to be aware and care about humanity. If sanctions are imposed, the country affected by sanctions will experience difficulties and even create new, more complicated problems.
Actually in human conscience they do not like violence which in the present case is war between Russia and Ukraine,
I don't think it will be easy to ask the leaders to stop the war they also have an inviolable decision,
in this case I think Russia already has a plan to overcome the sanctions

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Various countries that support sanctions themselves incur losses, but they understand that this is a payment for democracy, which cannot be obtained for free. Only while the payback for some is the decline of the economy, Ukraine, in addition to the destroyed economy, is also forced to pay with the blood of its citizens.

Thank you for emphasizing that it is not only Russia that is suffering from economic decline. Ukraine's economy is in a so difficult situation due to the war, a lot of infrastructure has been destroyed, buildings, roads, mineral deposits are being ruined. It's all to the death of our people who are defending their home. Let`s not forget that the war takes place on the territory of Ukraine. Those who are worried about sanctions in russia may think that russia has at least something to start growing anew. While Ukraine already has no foundation in many issues due to constant rocket attacks, air strikes and shelling.

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since Ukraine weren't prepared all the can settle for at the moment is a peace talk

Yeah, an absolutely unprepared country can hold back the world's second army for 34 days right now. I wonder, if we were preparing, would we become the world's first army?
If you read anything about war tactics and strategy you will realize that the defender always has an advantage over the attacker, there are several reasons for this as they know the terrain better than the invaders, they can set up all kind of traps to delay the advancement of their opponents, and even more importantly since they are fighting for something tangible like their families and friends this makes them fight way harder than the invader army, so while without a doubt what the Ukrainian army and their volunteers are achieving is impressive, at the same time it is not as if it was impossible to foresee their great performance during this war.
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The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

Russia's strongest weapon is the "natural gas and oil" they have.  west may continue to impose sanctions on Russia but will they be able to put up with high and increasingly difficult oil and gas prices?  here the price of oil has almost tripled from before the Russian invasion to ukraine, this really sucks!
I think that the sanctions have already missed their purpose, so much so that they have affected countries that have nothing to do with the conflict, all of Europe is beginning to see the attics of this.

Sanctions are good, they have their purpose, but I think that the way they began to do it is not correct, that is, the USA swept the way to get RUSSIA away from everything, and this resulted in an increase in the proportion of the war , also that the oil market increased very quickly, gas being so useful for everyone has these levels of scarcity, I think that the sanctions are not having the correct effect or at least the expected one.

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I think that the sanctions are not having the correct effect or at least the expected one.

There is much debate about whether sanctions have the same effect as were supposed before they were imposed. But the undisputed fact remains that russia is just running out of money, which is very good. They can shout as much as they want that they have the best army, but when there is no money for daily needs and store shelves becomes empty, it is somehow difficult to think about financing the creation of new tanks and missiles.

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It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

The greatest lesson of history is that no one learns from history. The same thing that is being done with Russia today is being done with Germany. Following Germany's defeat in World War I, Germany was burdened with a huge debt burden of about 269 billion gold coins. In terms of money, it is equivalent to 1 lakh tons of gold. The sole purpose of imposing this huge debt was that France and Britain wanted Germany to break the economic deadlock and not even think of war for the next hundred years. A master plan to subdue Germany without a war.

The problem is, only the weak die in the rice without hitting the hand. If you want to kill someone who has a sword in his hand, he will snatch the rice from you.

This humiliating chapter of the Treaty of Versailles provoked widespread outrage inside Germany. The Allies were to blame for Germany's economic woes at the time, and the people were agitating. When Hit-Lar finally came to power, he completely refused to repay the loan.

This debt burden and all the degrading chapters of the 1st Treaty of Versailles led to the rise of extremism in Germany. By capitalizing on which, the national hero becomes a hit-and-run offensive. Those who pushed for the treaty rather than cripple Germany seemed to invite more rather than avoid war through the treaty. Everyone knows the history of violence in the rest of Europe.

The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

They concede that the attempt to economically cripple Germany at the end of World War I was suicidal, which is why German leaders were tried after World War II but no attempt was made to harm the German nation. But they want to do the same thing with Russia again. It remains to be seen whether the outcome will be the same again or not.

Outside of military force, sanctions are often the only way to attempt to influence countries but it's questionable how effective they are over the long term. At the beginning they seem to have quite an effect, as people see their living standards drop over the initial first months and years. However if we look at Iran, while they are much poorer than they might otherwise be, they have learned to live with sanctions and it might shock you to see how beautiful & modern some of their biggest cities look. We also live in a world where countries like China are willing to step in and otherwise undermine the effectiveness of such sanctions, but there also needs to be a cut off point where you accept they have not achieved them aim and that their might be bigger enemies than the one you've sanctioned.

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April 03, 2022, 03:01:55 PM
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So what else would you have suggested that the world should do apart from sanction?
Do you have a better option than what is being done already? Would have been good if you stated your own opinion on what would have been done instead of placing sanctions on Russia.

As for me I believe that this action is a good move as that would cripple their economy. and the reason that this sanction was placed on Russia is because that the world wanted them to end the war, and they were warned beforehand. But, since they have decided to go ahead and attack Ukraine the world then decided to place sanction on them as a way to cripple their economy and also force them to give up.
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I think that the sanctions are not having the correct effect or at least the expected one.

There is much debate about whether sanctions have the same effect as were supposed before they were imposed. But the undisputed fact remains that russia is just running out of money, which is very good. They can shout as much as they want that they have the best army, but when there is no money for daily needs and store shelves becomes empty, it is somehow difficult to think about financing the creation of new tanks and missiles.
Relations between Russia and China are getting better during times of war like this, so I think from an economic point of view, Russia has calculated the risks, especially since we know that China is very strong in terms of the economy. There are daily necessities in stores, almost there are products from China, even the products are almost needed all over the world. besides that china is also willing to buy oil from russia on the last news i saw

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April 03, 2022, 06:07:48 PM
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I think that the sanctions are not having the correct effect or at least the expected one.

There is much debate about whether sanctions have the same effect as were supposed before they were imposed. But the undisputed fact remains that russia is just running out of money, which is very good. They can shout as much as they want that they have the best army, but when there is no money for daily needs and store shelves becomes empty, it is somehow difficult to think about financing the creation of new tanks and missiles.
Relations between Russia and China are getting better during times of war like this, so I think from an economic point of view, Russia has calculated the risks, especially since we know that China is very strong in terms of the economy. There are daily necessities in stores, almost there are products from China, even the products are almost needed all over the world. besides that china is also willing to buy oil from russia on the last news i saw
Russia tries to bypass the sanctions from the Western nations. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov have been making visits to different countries to make talks on import and export. Initially he made talks with China and it looks like China is ready to import and export from Russia. Then it is India, based on the talks foreign minister Sergey Lavrov have said Russia is ready to provide anything India needs from Russia and no country will oppose the process as India is involved. For some time period Russia is in a situation to depend on Asian countries, because Western Nations won't easily take back the sanctions.

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As we have seen it is very unlikely that Russia will be apologizing to the West. I think that they might start looking for a way to get over everything that has happened and try to fix their economy. Begging for mercy might not be an option for them, from the look of things. So, what they would do is just to look for a solution, which I believe that they are already doing that.

As for the West imposing a sanction on Russia, I do not know whether to say if it is a bad decision or not, because I don’t really know any other way that they would have gone about stopping Russia from invading Ukraine. So I believe that they did what they think is right for them to do. Let’s see how things turns out to be.

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As we have seen it is very unlikely that Russia will be apologizing to the West. I think that they might start looking for a way to get over everything that has happened and try to fix their economy. Begging for mercy might not be an option for them, from the look of things. So, what they would do is just to look for a solution, which I believe that they are already doing that.

As for the West imposing a sanction on Russia, I do not know whether to say if it is a bad decision or not, because I don’t really know any other way that they would have gone about stopping Russia from invading Ukraine. So I believe that they did what they think is right for them to do. Let’s see how things turns out to be.

Russia which has experience receiving previous economic sanctions, which in 2014 Russia had been sentenced to economic sanctions for invading
the Crimean peninsula in Eastern Europe. Since then Russia has started to gradually reduce the use of dollars, including Russia's foreign
exchange reserves in the form of dollars, which have declined considerably.

According to research I have read, economic sanctions also only work around 34%, meaning that economic sanctions can indeed affect Russia's
economic conditions, but economic sanctions have not succeeded in changing the behavior of the Russian state. In other words, imposing
economic sanctions on Russia is not the right and effective step. Because it was proven that economic sanctions did not stop Russia from
invading Ukraine. Western countries should consider other effective ways, but because all countries in the world are currently still trying to recover
the economy from the negative impact of the pandemic. I understand why this time America and NATO prefer low-cost methods such as
criticizing, provide economic sanctions and encourage negotiation efforts. Compared to concrete steps, such as sending NATO troops to directly
support Ukraine which may be more effective.

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As we have seen it is very unlikely that Russia will be apologizing to the West. I think that they might start looking for a way to get over everything that has happened and try to fix their economy. Begging for mercy might not be an option for them, from the look of things. So, what they would do is just to look for a solution, which I believe that they are already doing that.

As for the West imposing a sanction on Russia, I do not know whether to say if it is a bad decision or not, because I don’t really know any other way that they would have gone about stopping Russia from invading Ukraine. So I believe that they did what they think is right for them to do. Let’s see how things turns out to be.
It would be a horrible move for them to beg for mercy and try to stop the war and try to get the sanctions off. Putin is not that kind of guy, but no nation should do that to begin with.

It was a horrible move to attack another nation, in 2022 we shouldn't really see these acts anymore, but if you attacked, and then everyone reacted, you can't just back off, it would make you look weak and then they will do whatever they want to do with the threat of the same thing. ow that they are doing a bit better economically, it means that the west can't really threaten Russia with anything anymore. Russia got the better hand this time around unfortunately.

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