Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia?

[coupable]

It is not in the interest of the United States to open two fronts of conflict, especially since its allies are affected economically and logistically by the sanctions they themselves imposed on Russia to isolate it internationally and from the sanctions that Russia imposed on them. The Chinese-American rapprochement proves the weakness of the American position, and behind it the countries of the alliance supporting Ukraine.
Also, this rapprochement does not mean at all that China has stopped supporting its ally Russia, or that it has succeeded in overcoming the differences with the United States over trade exchanges that were raised during the Trump era. It's basically a strategic move.

          If the US is the biggest and most important player in the political arena, then they don't make mistakes? This, most likely, can be attributed to a rhetorical question. Yes, everyone is wrong. The most important thing is to learn from your mistakes. Not everyone is capable of this. Often, because Man is an emotional being, it is in this state that responsible decisions are often made. This is a minus for everyone due to the fact that people occupy the highest positions in the country. The fate of hundreds of millions depends on them, and here we are seeing this.
         It is not beneficial for China to start a conflict with the states. They are far from being idiots and weigh their final decision and conclusion many times over.

Frankly, I don't understand how you understood my position on the US-China rapprochement. Do you think that America is correcting a mistake it made in its stance in support of Taiwan? Or is the U.S.-China rapprochement itself a mistake?
In general, let me tell you that a confrontation of any kind is not in the interest of any party, especially the United States, which is well aware that any confrontation with China will be lost, especially if it will be in a Chinese sphere of influence.
I invite you to follow the latest news about the US attempt to get closer to both India and Iran after the visit to China, not to isolate Russia, but to stop the pressure that this alliance may cause.

[pooya87]

at the same time that it is conducting secret talks with Iran to renew the nuclear agreement with making more concessions in the enrichment rate proposed in the previous agreement in 2015,

That's a good point about US and its allies running around the world like headless chickens but I gotta say the talks with Iran are only about nuclear program in name but have very little to do with it. For example one of the main topics over the past couple of months is that they have been begging Iran not to sell any missiles to Russia and in return they have been giving Iran a lot of things.
Two main ones that we know of so far are the tens of billions of dollars that they had stolen from Iran over the past decade which is now being returned with interest.
Second one is European anti-terrorism forces cracking down hard on a terrorist cult called MEK (responsible for murdering 317000 Iranians directly and indirectly) that they were forced to give sanctuary to by United States ever since 2014. Two main news involving this are the terrorist's rally in France being prohibited and their leaders being arrested; and the Albanian anti-terrorist forces raiding the main cult's base in Tirana (capital of Albania) and arresting about a hundred of these terrorist while killing or wounding dozens more.

[Sithara007]

Getting back to the main topic - I want to thank the people of India who have given up their "neutral status" and stand, represented by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, for respecting international law, agreements and sovereignty ! India has realized that any support for an international terrorist is not her choice, her choice is development, progress and full partnership with an adequate world !

And in the meantime a new story about how "russia has switched to trade in local currencies" and does not see the Indian rupee as...a currency ! That's the kind of partner Russia is !

"Russia wants to be paid in Chinese yuan or any other currency, but not in rupees. Russia has failed to agree on a currency for which India could buy cheap oil from the aggressor.
According to Reuters, Moscow has refused to accept payment in rupees. For now, India and Russia have suspended efforts to resolve the situation.
Indian importers of cheap oil and coal from Russia had expected a permanent payment mechanism in rupees to reduce currency conversion costs."

Would you like to pay in rubles?

The payment will be made neither in INR nor in RUR. It has been decided sometime back that Indian importers will make the payments in AED (United Arab Emirates Dirham). Some of the state-run oil companies wanted the payments to be made in Indian Rupees, but after a few weeks Russians rejected this option because INR is not fully comfortable. Now the Indian government is OK with the option of AED as the trade currency. USD can't be used for this purpose because the payments can't be processed as a result of sanctions and embargoes against Russia.

[fruktik]

Frankly, I don't understand how you understood my position on the US-China rapprochement. Do you think that America is correcting a mistake it made in its stance in support of Taiwan? Or is the U.S.-China rapprochement itself a mistake?
In general, let me tell you that a confrontation of any kind is not in the interest of any party, especially the United States, which is well aware that any confrontation with China will be lost, especially if it will be in a Chinese sphere of influence.
I invite you to follow the latest news about the US attempt to get closer to both India and Iran after the visit to China, not to isolate Russia, but to stop the pressure that this alliance may cause.

         Naturally, no modern and developed country is interested in conflict. Everyone learned the lessons of history perfectly. It is a pity that such an understanding does not reach everyone, but this is not about that. I still wonder how the states will react if China decides to "join" Taiwan. After all, this will be a precedent that is not acceptable in the current realities.
        I believe that the Americans will continue to adhere to their point of view on this issue, but will not enter the acute phase. As always, they will find a legal justification or resort to sanctions that are clearly not in the hands of the Chinese.

[pooya87]

We should take a moment and appreciate the recent shenanigans involving Wagner group. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what this group is and what the real story was. What matters and what falls under the topic of discussion here is the reaction of the Western propaganda machines and the brainwashed sheeple that were repeating it mainly in social media. It was both funny and showed the dire situation that the European regimes are in because of the conflict NATO started over a year ago.

There was a certain bafflement with the mouthpieces specially in UK that I was monitoring with rushed propaganda that they were producing every second. It went from changing the terminology they used for Wagner group from "terrorist" to "freedom fighters" to crazy fake news they reported from the usual "unnamed reliable sources" about how Russian government has fallen and Putin has fled the country because Moscow is occupied by the Wagner group!!!

Such a high level of confusion with rushed propaganda where their contents are all over the place and even contradicting each other at times, is very rare in Western Propaganda agencies which are the leaders of brainwashing techniques.
Historically speaking such a situation only happens when they are too desperate and all their previous plans have failed (clear from the increasing number of anti-NATO protests across Europe) so they have to go back to old schemes they've already tried in the past or in other countries.

[Bobrox]

What the current condition about Russian gas still banned or not? its give bad impact for European countries due some countries has bad economic condition after long moment Russia gas banned. Due war invasion between Russian and Ukraine not stop yet I don't sure until how long this problem will be stop. Looks serious crisis what did by European Union banned Russia because they are the only one country has a lot of gas and all European country need with Russian.

I think for European stop did by asking from United State and stop helped sending weapon to Ukraine for stopping war invasion between Russian and Ukraine will give impact how easy getting  Russian's gas.

[DrBeer]

A bit of news from Russia's "friends of gas. Austria. The share of Russian gas in Austria's imports in 2022 decreased by 30%, but still accounts for half of all the blue fuel the country uses. This is the information at the beginning of 2023.
And here's June 2023 - Austria, Gazprom's last major Western European customer, will accelerate its withdrawal from Russian gas. "Supplies from Russia are unreliable and will remain unreliable," the country's energy minister, Leonor Gewessler, said Monday after a meeting with top energy company executives.

Austria, which still relies on Russia for more than half its gas consumption, is not moving "fast enough" to "eradicate Russian gas," according to the minister (quoted by Bloomberg).


And "fraternal China" has not let us down
China has excluded Russia from the CR929 airliner project, which has been under development since 2017, planning to create a competitor to Boeing and Airbus.
The Air Current writes about it.
At the Air Show in Le Bourget the new 280 passenger aircraft, the creation of which was estimated at $50 billion, was presented as China's own development, in which Russia was not involved.

India was smarter than that, rejecting the contract to develop many weapons with russia. India is smart, India does not want to wear the status of the owner of weapons of "analogue - shit" class

It was both funny and showed the dire situation that the European regimes are in because of the conflict NATO started over a year ago.

And tell me please - what conflict did NATO start over a year ago? Very interesting! ... Especially for practical psychiatry

[coupable]

Frankly, I don't understand how you understood my position on the US-China rapprochement. Do you think that America is correcting a mistake it made in its stance in support of Taiwan? Or is the U.S.-China rapprochement itself a mistake?
In general, let me tell you that a confrontation of any kind is not in the interest of any party, especially the United States, which is well aware that any confrontation with China will be lost, especially if it will be in a Chinese sphere of influence.
I invite you to follow the latest news about the US attempt to get closer to both India and Iran after the visit to China, not to isolate Russia, but to stop the pressure that this alliance may cause.

         Naturally, no modern and developed country is interested in conflict. Everyone learned the lessons of history perfectly. It is a pity that such an understanding does not reach everyone, but this is not about that. I still wonder how the states will react if China decides to "join" Taiwan. After all, this will be a precedent that is not acceptable in the current realities.
        I believe that the Americans will continue to adhere to their point of view on this issue, but will not enter the acute phase. As always, they will find a legal justification or resort to sanctions that are clearly not in the hands of the Chinese.

The United States wants to keep the situation acrimonious in Taiwan in order to use it as an element of pressure in a region over which China extends its full influence. And China, on the other hand, is aware that there is no point in attacking Taiwan or fueling tension with it as long as it is under its control in one way or another, and that Taiwan does not have any solutions outside the authority of China, without forgetting that Taiwan is the most important economic partner for China. If China wanted to formally annex Taiwan, it would have done so in a short time, but it avoids the sanctions that will follow as a result and its image that it wants to preserve in front of the world and its friends countries.

[Argoo]

What the current condition about Russian gas still banned or not? its give bad impact for European countries due some countries has bad economic condition after long moment Russia gas banned. Due war invasion between Russian and Ukraine not stop yet I don't sure until how long this problem will be stop. Looks serious crisis what did by European Union banned Russia because they are the only one country has a lot of gas and all European country need with Russian.

I think for European stop did by asking from United State and stop helped sending weapon to Ukraine for stopping war invasion between Russian and Ukraine will give impact how easy getting  Russian's gas.

It must be clearly understood that it was Russia that attacked Ukraine, and Ukraine is only defending itself. In order to make Russia less able to continue attacking the territory of Ukraine and bombing it every day and shelling peaceful cities with cruise and ballistic missiles, sanctions were imposed both on oil and gas, since they brought Russia the most profit, and on goods that can be raw materials for the military-industrial complex. Therefore, in order for the war to end quickly, it is necessary to inflict a military defeat on the aggressor country, that is, Russia, and for this Ukraine needs even more help with weapons.

The cessation of the supply of weapons to Ukraine will lead to the fact that Ukraine will be conquered and cease to exist as a state, and the people of Ukraine will be killed and tortured to a large extent by the occupiers, and some will be forcibly resettled across the territory of Russia.

But you don't seem to care about tens and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed, the main thing for you is to have cheap and bloody Russian gas.

[DrBeer]

What is the current condition about Russian gas still banned or not? Its give bad impact for European countries due to some countries has bad economic condition after long moment Russia gas banned. Due war invasion between Russia and Ukraine did not stop yet I am not sure until how long this problem will be stopped. Looks serious crisis what did by European Union banned Russia because they are the only one country has a lot of gas and all European country need with Russian.

I think for European stop did by asking from United State and stop helped sending weapon to Ukraine for stopping war invasion between Russia and Ukraine will give impact how easy getting Russian's gas.

I can assume you haven't read what the European Energy Charter is, what were the goals, and what are the EU's goals in the energy market after the terrorist economic attack on the EU in 2022, after the terrorist attack on Ukraine ?

I'll remind you:
As part of security issues, back in 2020 (I could be wrong but roughly so), the EU came to an agreement that no supplier of gas could have more than 30% of the EU and individual country market. After 2022, adjustments were made, to which were added clauses on "adequacy and predictability of hydrocarbon suppliers", thereby - cut out the future supply of resources (oil and gas) to the EU from Russia. The goal, which is already being implemented before the plans - FULL rejection of Russian oil and gas in the EU by 2027 ! FULL ABORTION !

And weapons, our European colleagues have been and are still supplying, and have even accelerated and increased the assistance with heavier weapons !

[Sithara007]

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And weapons, our European colleagues have been and are still supplying, and have even accelerated and increased the assistance with heavier weapons !

Europeans and Americans have been supplying all the latest military hardware to Ukraine (recently they received Storm Shadow, HIMARS and Leopard MBTs). And despite all this the Ukrainians have just managed to capture around 130 sq.km of land during the last 4 weeks, which is around 0.15% of the total area that is under Russian control (and this is despite the rebellion by PMC Wagner). At this rate, Ukraine will take around 50 years to liberate all the land that is under Russian control, with millions of soldier deaths.

[fruktik]

The United States wants to keep the situation acrimonious in Taiwan in order to use it as an element of pressure in a region over which China extends its full influence. And China, on the other hand, is aware that there is no point in attacking Taiwan or fueling tension with it as long as it is under its control in one way or another, and that Taiwan does not have any solutions outside the authority of China, without forgetting that Taiwan is the most important economic partner for China. If China wanted to formally annex Taiwan, it would have done so in a short time, but it avoids the sanctions that will follow as a result and its image that it wants to preserve in front of the world and its friends countries.

         This, of course, is just my guess, but China took an example from Russia, but it wasn’t there. The states caught on in time and did not allow Taiwan to be seized. Of course, who would like this in today's world? Now is not the time to use barbaric methods to annex the territory. The best way is to show the high level of development of the country, so that the neighbors themselves show a desire to become part of the country. But not everyone understands this.

[coupable]

The United States wants to keep the situation acrimonious in Taiwan in order to use it as an element of pressure in a region over which China extends its full influence. And China, on the other hand, is aware that there is no point in attacking Taiwan or fueling tension with it as long as it is under its control in one way or another, and that Taiwan does not have any solutions outside the authority of China, without forgetting that Taiwan is the most important economic partner for China. If China wanted to formally annex Taiwan, it would have done so in a short time, but it avoids the sanctions that will follow as a result and its image that it wants to preserve in front of the world and its friends countries.

         This, of course, is just my guess, but China took an example from Russia, but it wasn’t there. The states caught on in time and did not allow Taiwan to be seized. Of course, who would like this in today's world? Now is not the time to use barbaric methods to annex the territory. The best way is to show the high level of development of the country, so that the neighbors themselves show a desire to become part of the country. But not everyone understands this.

China is not a friend of any country that recognizes Taiwan's independence from it. And it considers it an extension of it after the cancellation of the recognition of the State of China (now Taiwan), and the recognition of the People's Republic of China (now China). Throughout the post-World War II history and China's independence from Japan, the island of Taiwan did not represent any importance to the countries of the world until China's influence increased. On the other hand, as important as Taiwan is to China, it has become equally important to the rest of the world since it monopolizes the largest part of the semiconductor industry.

[fruktik]

China is not a friend of any country that recognizes Taiwan's independence from it. And it considers it an extension of it after the cancellation of the recognition of the State of China (now Taiwan), and the recognition of the People's Republic of China (now China). Throughout the post-World War II history and China's independence from Japan, the island of Taiwan did not represent any importance to the countries of the world until China's influence increased. On the other hand, as important as Taiwan is to China, it has become equally important to the rest of the world since it monopolizes the largest part of the semiconductor industry.

         In China, they can not establish the production of semiconductors? Yes, it's just ridiculous. Most likely it's something else. I never learned information about Taiwan, but still have to read about this island. I learned that this republic controlled all of China. This might be the highlight. In addition, it ranks 21st in terms of GDP in the world. Of course, such a tidbit beckons with its potential (naturally, money comes first).
         At the moment it is difficult to say how events will develop, but the country of the rising sun will not leave it just like that, knowing the mentality of the Chinese.

[DrBeer]

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And weapons, our European colleagues have been and are still supplying, and have even accelerated and increased the assistance with heavier weapons !

Europeans and Americans have been supplying all the latest military hardware to Ukraine (recently they received Storm Shadow, HIMARS and Leopard MBTs). And despite all this the Ukrainians have just managed to capture around 130 sq.km of land during the last 4 weeks, which is around 0.15% of the total area that is under Russian control (and this is despite the rebellion by PMC Wagner). At this rate, Ukraine will take around 50 years to liberate all the land that is under Russian control, with millions of soldier deaths.

This time I completely agree with you!
But I will clarify!
1. Mass deliveries, but not all of the necessary weapons, our friends began to deliver only after the 10th Ramstein. And now we still very much need Petriot systems (to protect peaceful cities from almost daily terrorist attacks on civilian objects and houses), and many other things...
2. In 4 weeks we really haven't liberated much. BUT !
in 14 months, of all the "successes of the second world army" that was reinforced by Russian criminals (PMC Wagner), it was the territory of Bakhmut, which is about 41 square kilometers Do you have a real complaint about the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ?  

At the same time, they "put many tens of thousands of their "soldiers" in the ground there !
The fact is that Ukraine uses tactics that allow it to inflict maximum, systemic damage to the enemy, rather than pelt it with the corpses of its soldiers, as Russia does...

3. Believe me, the liberation of Ukraine and the collapse of Russia - you will see quite soon, no more than 50 years !

[coupable]

China is not a friend of any country that recognizes Taiwan's independence from it. And it considers it an extension of it after the cancellation of the recognition of the State of China (now Taiwan), and the recognition of the People's Republic of China (now China). Throughout the post-World War II history and China's independence from Japan, the island of Taiwan did not represent any importance to the countries of the world until China's influence increased. On the other hand, as important as Taiwan is to China, it has become equally important to the rest of the world since it monopolizes the largest part of the semiconductor industry.

         In China, they can not establish the production of semiconductors? Yes, it's just ridiculous. Most likely it's something else. I never learned information about Taiwan, but still have to read about this island. I learned that this republic controlled all of China. This might be the highlight. In addition, it ranks 21st in terms of GDP in the world. Of course, such a tidbit beckons with its potential (naturally, money comes first).

A specific Taiwanese company here is the largest in the world, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company [TSMC], which alone controls more than half of the global production of the best-selling electronic chips, complemented by a group of other Taiwanese companies, bringing the total Taiwanese proportion to about two-thirds of chip production chips worldwide.
Even if China is able to enter this field, it will not be able to acquire two-thirds of global production in a short period. Taiwan fully secures its needs and gives it an element of pressure with which it can confront the whole world, which currently has no alternatives to the Taiwanese industry.
After Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, it was reported in the media that China attended the import of some fruits and seafood from Taiwan, and no one emphasized that it also attended the export of sand to Taiwan. Sand contains silicon, which is the main component of the semiconductor industry. This step raised the price of semiconductors in the global market due to the crisis that the whole world is going through in this sensitive vital sector.

[DrBeer]

What the current condition about Russian gas still banned or not? its give bad impact for European countries due some countries has bad economic condition after long moment Russia gas banned. Due war invasion between Russian and Ukraine not stop yet I don't sure until how long this problem will be stop. Looks serious crisis what did by European Union banned Russia because they are the only one country has a lot of gas and all European country need with Russian.

I think for European stop did by asking from United State and stop helped sending weapon to Ukraine for stopping war invasion between Russian and Ukraine will give impact how easy getting  Russian's gas.

It must be clearly understood that it was Russia that attacked Ukraine, and Ukraine is only defending itself. In order to make Russia less able to continue attacking the territory of Ukraine and bombing it every day and shelling peaceful cities with cruise and ballistic missiles, sanctions were imposed both on oil and gas, since they brought Russia the most profit, and on goods that can be raw materials for the military-industrial complex. Therefore, in order for the war to end quickly, it is necessary to inflict a military defeat on the aggressor country, that is, Russia, and for this Ukraine needs even more help with weapons.

The cessation of the supply of weapons to Ukraine will lead to the fact that Ukraine will be conquered and cease to exist as a state, and the people of Ukraine will be killed and tortured to a large extent by the occupiers, and some will be forcibly resettled across the territory of Russia.

But you don't seem to care about tens and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed, the main thing for you is to have cheap and bloody Russian gas.

Europeans, especially residents of countries that suffered from the Soviet Union, are well aware that after Ukraine it is Europe's turn. The new brown plague will not stop in Ukraine.
The rest of Europe, listening to the Kremlin's parody of the Führer, has already begun to understand this, and this means the end of a quiet, measured, well-fed life. It means terror, it means death, it means war in their homes.  But before the invasion of Ukraine, the "old Europe" entertained fantasies that it was possible to negotiate with the Kremlin, to find compromises, and after all, the "second world army" and the "alpha-male" president. Ukraine has destroyed these myths, and Europe has realized that the new Nazism in the form of RASHISM can only be destroyed, one cannot live with it.

The Kremlin's big mistake was economic terrorism against Germany. Germany, from the time of Schroeder to the time of Merkel, was a friend, an associate, and in a sense a "willing hostage friend. But repeated direct threats and real economic attacks after Merkel's departure undermined this status, as the Kremlin undermined its Nord Stream. by 2027, and I am sure before that, russia will lose the European market for hydrocarbons forever, even using "bypass schemes" involving for example Indian oil refineries.

And it is already showing: Gazprom's board of directors has approved the long-term development program for 2024-2033 and made several instructions to Alexei Miller, the head of the company's management board. Among them is on the European market.
"Instruct the Chairman of PJSC Gazprom's Management Committee, A.B. Miller, to ensure that amendments are made to PJSC Gazprom's planning procedure ... to exclude from PJSC Gazprom's strategic planning system the strategic target indicator of the first level of gas business "Share in the gas market of European region countries"."

[Argoo]

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And weapons, our European colleagues have been and are still supplying, and have even accelerated and increased the assistance with heavier weapons !

Europeans and Americans have been supplying all the latest military hardware to Ukraine (recently they received Storm Shadow, HIMARS and Leopard MBTs). And despite all this the Ukrainians have just managed to capture around 130 sq.km of land during the last 4 weeks, which is around 0.15% of the total area that is under Russian control (and this is despite the rebellion by PMC Wagner). At this rate, Ukraine will take around 50 years to liberate all the land that is under Russian control, with millions of soldier deaths.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now conducting an offensive carefully and systematically, and have not yet committed their main reserves to the battle based on the terrain and the deep defense of the enemy. The south of Ukraine is an almost bare flat steppe, divided by forest plantations and irrigation canals. The Russians stuffed the entire front line of defense for many kilometers with mines, making continuous minefields. To attack in such a situation, not having superiority in the air, not every even a very strong army would risk. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually advancing and even incurring much smaller losses than the defending Russians.

But at this stage, the main task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not to win back the maximum of its territory. At this stage, the enemy is bled. There is an identification and destruction by pinpoint strikes of ammunition depots, command posts, the accumulation of equipment and manpower of the enemy, the identification and destruction of artillery, air defense, rocket launchers, armored vehicles. The invaders will soon simply have nothing to fight with. They will still find live untrained meat, but they already have big problems with military equipment. Therefore, after the Russian defense is broken, the entire front will quickly crumble and they will run. Therefore, not only will Ukraine not need 50 years to return its territories, in general, everything should be decided by autumn.

[Sithara007]

This time I completely agree with you!
But I will clarify!
1. Mass deliveries, but not all of the necessary weapons, our friends began to deliver only after the 10th Ramstein. And now we still very much need Petriot systems (to protect peaceful cities from almost daily terrorist attacks on civilian objects and houses), and many other things...
2. In 4 weeks we really haven't liberated much. BUT !
in 14 months, of all the "successes of the second world army" that was reinforced by Russian criminals (PMC Wagner), it was the territory of Bakhmut, which is about 41 square kilometers Do you have a real complaint about the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ?  

At the same time, they "put many tens of thousands of their "soldiers" in the ground there !
The fact is that Ukraine uses tactics that allow it to inflict maximum, systemic damage to the enemy, rather than pelt it with the corpses of its soldiers, as Russia does...

3. Believe me, the liberation of Ukraine and the collapse of Russia - you will see quite soon, no more than 50 years !

1. As far as I know, dozens of patriot batteries have been transferred to Ukraine already and many of them are stationed around the main cities. And a few weeks ago we saw a video of one such system getting destroyed by a Russian missile.

2. Bakhmut itself only has an area of 40-45 sq.km. But during the battle of Bakhmut, Wagner and Russian Armed Forces captured nearby towns and villages such as Soledar. Total area should be much larger than 40 sq.km. According to Wagner, they lost 16,000 of their forces and killed 50,000 Ukrainians.

3. Situation has changed now, since Wagner is out of the equation. I am waiting to see if Ukraine gets an upper hand as a result of Wagner pullout.

[pooya87]

Europeans and Americans have been supplying all the latest military hardware to Ukraine (recently they received Storm Shadow, HIMARS and Leopard MBTs).

These equipment you named aren't the "latest military hardware" not to mention that everything else they've sent so far, at least majority of it is old and in some cases outdated hardware close to expiration. For example US forces Greece to purchase newest equipment from US and donate the old and expired arms they had to Ukraine.

And a few weeks ago we saw a video of one such system getting destroyed by a Russian missile.

And the 6 Ukrainian citizens who posted the video were sentenced to 8 years in prison for publishing the video proof of the useless Patriot system being destroyed easily which harms the US arms industry