Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia?

[DrBeer]

In your own terminology, you are trading with terrorists who have attacked and invaded your country. And you have no problem with it. It seems hypocritical to me, or at least strange.

In general, the topic of Russian gas transit through Ukraine looks artificially taboo, especially in the West. It's funny.

I had no doubt that you would twist the information so! Not surprised, as usual

I explain. Ukraine has obligations not to Russia (if there were only obligations to a terrorist country, we would have turned off the valve a long time ago), but to Western partners, to whom Russia, not having its own developed GTS, supplies gas through the Ukrainian GTS. And we are still forced to fulfill the agreements before Europe, interacting with such terrorist partners as Russia. I hope it's clear... Although such concepts as "obligations" and "agreements" in Russia are not very valuable

A counter question - how does it happen if Russia hates the "insidious" West so much, which allegedly wants to destroy Russia all its life, that even all the top authorities have villas, accounts, businesses "in the decaying West", they raise their children there and give them quality education! The authorities steal in Russia and turn the stolen money into dollars and euros, and take them to European banks At the same time, they totally depend on Western technologies, from diapers to high-tech equipment? It's better to talk about it

[Sithara007]

Euro has fallen to its lowest against dollar in 20 years and the biggest reason is increasing energy prices in Europe. Gas ban is hurting EU more then Russia.

The Greens seems to have finally achieved their goal of wrecking the economy of Europe. What the closure of nuclear and thermal power plants could not achieve was finally accomplished with the sanctions against Russia. And this is not just applicable for Europe, but for Japan as well. One factor that contributed a lot to the competence of automobile and heavy engineering industry in both the EU and Japan was the availability of cheap energy from Russia. They scored a self-goal with their sanctions against Russia and now their industry can no longer compete against the competitors from China and the United States.

[pooya87]

I as Diabetics patients

This is OT but if you are into natural remedies you should look into date kernel (seed) powder. Studies have shown that it can help balance the blood sugar specially for those with diabetes due to its Insulin production properties.
It is very easy to prepare too, all you have to do is to place them in water for a couple of days (changing the water every day) then to roast the kernels and finally to grind them into powder.
The taste and smell is very similar to coffee and it can be used like coffee.

Of course you should consult your doctor first.

[WatChe]

The Greens seems to have finally achieved their goal of wrecking the economy of Europe. What the closure of nuclear and thermal power plants could not achieve was finally accomplished with the sanctions against Russia. And this is not just applicable for Europe, but for Japan as well. One factor that contributed a lot to the competence of automobile and heavy engineering industry in both the EU and Japan was the availability of cheap energy from Russia. They scored a self-goal with their sanctions against Russia and now their industry can no longer compete against the competitors from China and the United States.

So it's a kind of win win situation for usa. On one side they successfully isolated Russia from EU and fighting proxy war with Russia via Ukraine ( no damage go usa as he is selling weapons to ukarine and EU), other side they they are selling expensive energy to EU.

This is OT but if you are into natural remedies you should look into date kernel (seed) powder. Studies have shown that it can help balance the blood sugar specially for those with diabetes due to its Insulin production properties.
It is very easy to prepare too, all you have to do is to place them in water for a couple of days (changing the water every day) then to roast the kernels and finally to grind them into powder.
The taste and smell is very similar to coffee and it can be used like coffee.

Of course you should consult your doctor first.

Thank you so much for sharing this remedy. I will defiantly try this out.
Doctors are strictly against anything that can cure your diabetics or blood pressure issues since that will severely hurt the business of pharmaceutical companies. Doctors backed by big pharmaceutical companies have established this fact that diabetic is chronic progressive disease and can't be cured rather only controlled by medicines. If someone is having diabetics then he need to cut his wheat, rice and refined sugar. I m controlling my diabetics without taking any medicine.

[be.open]

In your own terminology, you are trading with terrorists who have attacked and invaded your country. And you have no problem with it. It seems hypocritical to me, or at least strange.

In general, the topic of Russian gas transit through Ukraine looks artificially taboo, especially in the West. It's funny.

I had no doubt that you would twist the information so! Not surprised, as usual

I explain. Ukraine has obligations not to Russia (if there were only obligations to a terrorist country, we would have turned off the valve a long time ago), but to Western partners, to whom Russia, not having its own developed GTS, supplies gas through the Ukrainian GTS. And we are still forced to fulfill the agreements before Europe, interacting with such terrorist partners as Russia. I hope it's clear... Although such concepts as "obligations" and "agreements" in Russia are not very valuable

Perhaps that is why the deputy of the Ukrainian Rada called for stealing Russian gas from the pipeline in order to survive the coming winter?

[bakasabo]

The situation of gas theft from Russia by Ukraine has been aired on my local TV channels for ages. Every time in past when I saw disputes between Ukraine and Russia, it ended with saying "pay for stolen gas". Most common topics of discussion were "pay for gas", "decrease gas price", "decrease debt for gas", "give discounts" and etc. Can anyone from Ukraine tell, is this real situation or another fake or propaganda that has been broadcasting for ages, as now I dont know which side to trust ?

[DrBeer]

The warnings about energy crisis and the fact that EU countries failed to find alternative source of energy in their heavily dependent countries have been around for at least a couple of years. It's just that your heavily censored mainstream media was not allowed to cover them until Russia invaded. After that they had a scapegoat they could blame all their problems on, from their energy problems (due to decades of terrible policies) to their high inflation (due to horrible money printing policies that got worse during COVID pandemic) to a lot of other issues like the green nonsense and genetically manipulated crops that cause cancer but they call "modern agriculture".

About freedom of the press, from a resident of a country with total control of everyone and everything - it's really hilarious to hear
Some statistics on freedom of the press:
Source: https://gtmarket.ru/ratings/freedom-of-the-press
113 Ukraine Partially free Index 53 ()
174 Russia Not free Index 83

It should be noted here that such a rating of Ukraine is the "merit" of Zelensky and his corrupt rabble, in 2018 Ukraine ranked

And now let's take the rating of freedom on the Internet:
Source: https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/internet-freedom
26 Ukraine Partly free
58 Russia Not free

But sure enough - you, like a parrot, according to a memorized program, will now rumble about "these are Western ratings, there is one lie, the most honest ratings in Russia, and whoever does not believe will be imprisoned for 20 years"

[DrBeer]

Perhaps that is why the deputy of the Ukrainian Rada called for stealing Russian gas from the pipeline in order to survive the coming winter?

Have you been looking for this show for a long time? Well, that's it - they proved to everyone that Ukraine is a terrorist, attacked Russia, wanted to infect everyone with COVID and put Russians all in T-shirts and crucify
Wouldn't you like to listen to the speeches of the heads of parties and factions in the Federation Council? When they demand to officially intensify shelling of peaceful cities in Ukraine. Bomb Poland and the Baltic countries. Like idiots threaten the whole world with nuclear weapons? Oh, I forgot - it's completely different!

[HeavensPro]

The question is not whose problem is this but who will surrender first. At all times it has been the case that ordinary people have suffered from the consequences of their leaders' political ambitions, but in the end, politicians will sooner or later come to an agreement, the question is what price it will cost the people of the conflicting countries and who will decide to concede earlier. I think it will be expensive for everyone, but it will not be senators, parliament or the president who will pay. Average Americans, Russians and Europeans will pay

[WatChe]

This news is very much related to what are discussing here. EU starting boycotting Russia gas to give them an economic punch but this move has backfired and now Hungary FM is in Russia for gas supply and peace negotiations. I don't think boycotting Russia gas will have any impact on Russia rather it will add to problems of EU. Hungary gave up the idea of Russia gas ban, let's see when rest of EU join in.

[Argoo]

There is no deny in the fact that EU will be lose more then Russia in case they go on with Russia gas boycott. While LNG supply from USA to EU has been trippled to avoid inconvenience in winter according to above article. USA is earning through supply of LNG to EU.

Russia have planned this invasion for years and their economy has been built to withstand sanctions. But the reality now is that they never expected that the war would last for this long, hence gradually the effect of the cost of the war and sanctions have started hitting the economy negatively. The truth now is that both Russia and Europe are suffering the effect greatly and both of them are heading for a difficult economic downturn if this war is not stopped. This war is a problem to both of them and they must workout ways of restoring peace in Europe. Both China, India and the US are core beneficiaries of this way and they would want this war to continue.

Although Russia did plan to attack Ukraine for many years, it cannot be said that it was well prepared for the introduction of international sanctions against it. First of all, this can be seen from the fact that almost half of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves, which is about 300 billion dollars, ended up in foreign banks and any operations on them were immediately suspended. Also, Russia was not ready to live in international isolation: it still depends on the supply of electronics and many parts in the industry. Machine-building, the aircraft industry and many other industries are suffering especially now.
The only way to stop this war is to stop the aggression against Ukraine and get out of its territory. Otherwise, no matter how much they sit down at the negotiating table, there will be no result. In Ukraine, they are determined to destroy all invaders and do not agree to cede even a part of their territory to the aggressor.

[Sithara007]

Although Russia did plan to attack Ukraine for many years, it cannot be said that it was well prepared for the introduction of international sanctions against it. First of all, this can be seen from the fact that almost half of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves, which is about 300 billion dollars, ended up in foreign banks and any operations on them were immediately suspended. Also, Russia was not ready to live in international isolation: it still depends on the supply of electronics and many parts in the industry. Machine-building, the aircraft industry and many other industries are suffering especially now.
The only way to stop this war is to stop the aggression against Ukraine and get out of its territory. Otherwise, no matter how much they sit down at the negotiating table, there will be no result. In Ukraine, they are determined to destroy all invaders and do not agree to cede even a part of their territory to the aggressor.

LOL.. it is not all black and white as it sounds. If Russia is dependent on electronic and high-tech parts from the West, then the latter also benefited from the sale revenues. Russians are not going to sit idle. Either they may manufacture these goods within Russia, or they will source them from countries such as China and India. Do you really believe that no high-tech products are available in countries such as North Korea and Iran, which are under sanctions for many years? And forget about Russia ceding any of the territory it captured. Just not possible.

[Argoo]

Although Russia did plan to attack Ukraine for many years, it cannot be said that it was well prepared for the introduction of international sanctions against it. First of all, this can be seen from the fact that almost half of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves, which is about 300 billion dollars, ended up in foreign banks and any operations on them were immediately suspended. Also, Russia was not ready to live in international isolation: it still depends on the supply of electronics and many parts in the industry. Machine-building, the aircraft industry and many other industries are suffering especially now.
The only way to stop this war is to stop the aggression against Ukraine and get out of its territory. Otherwise, no matter how much they sit down at the negotiating table, there will be no result. In Ukraine, they are determined to destroy all invaders and do not agree to cede even a part of their territory to the aggressor.

LOL.. it is not all black and white as it sounds. If Russia is dependent on electronic and high-tech parts from the West, then the latter also benefited from the sale revenues. Russians are not going to sit idle. Either they may manufacture these goods within Russia, or they will source them from countries such as China and India. Do you really believe that no high-tech products are available in countries such as North Korea and Iran, which are under sanctions for many years? And forget about Russia ceding any of the territory it captured. Just not possible.

In Russia, during the war with Ukraine, factories for the production of tanks stop. They also cannot produce high-precision missiles there, for this they lack certain components. On the verge of collapse of their domestic automotive industry. Airports are closing because there are no spare parts for aircraft maintenance. The situation is similar in almost every industry.

Ukraine will not ask Russia if it will withdraw its troops from the occupied territories of Ukraine. They will simply be killed there and knocked out of their land. Now in the Kherson region on the right bank of the Dnieper, after the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on three bridges, along which the Russians could still retreat, a very interesting situation has developed. There, it was planned to encircle the units of the 49th Russian army, numbering about 15,000 soldiers. Instead of retreating from southern Ukraine, Putin, on the contrary, deployed additional units, removing them from the Donetsk and Izyum directions, and increased the number of troops in a potential mousetrap to 25,000. The Ukrainian military forces will only have to finally destroy the bridges, including the pontoon, which the Russians built near the destroyed Andrew's bridge across the Dnieper, and this group of troops will be without supply routes, under constant shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For the Russians, it was also “impossible” to retreat, the ambition did not allow. In two or three weeks we will see what remains of this group of Russians.

[DrBeer]

In Ichkeria alone, Russia destroyed about 400,000 civilians.
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According to neutral observers, around 100,000 people died during the two Chechen wars. And out of all the casualties, around 70% were ethnic Russians and another 10% were other white ethnic groups such as Ukrainians and Germans. Most of the deaths occurred in Grozny, which was a Slavic majority city at that time, and the smaller Chechen population migrated to the homes of their relatives in the hills before the city was levelled and destroyed. Slavs were 30% of the population of Chechenya before the war, and now they are 2%. Still want to blame Russia?

... we also had "neutral OSCE observers" in the territories temporarily occupied by Russian terrorists. But for some reason they rarely came to the places of shelling of peaceful cities by the Russians. They did not notice columns of Russian equipment on the territory of Ukraine. They did not notice on the territory of Ukraine thousands of Russian soldiers... And then it turned out that most of the staff there would have been either Russians or their puppets

Or maybe you will give links to these "neutral observers"?

And then let's take a look at the census of the population of Ichkeria before the Russian terrorist invasion, and after?
Yes, you can even listen to the President of Ichkeria - he speaks of precisely this scale of the death of a Chechen, peaceful Chechens, at the hands of Russian terrorists. Or do you think Ramzan Kadyrov is a cheap liar?

Threat Your speech about the fact that during the second Chechen terrorist operation of the Russians, Grozny was mostly populated by Russians and others, not Chechens - the best proof that you are clearly not reading BBS, but a typical Russian brainwasher in the form of propaganda. Russians and most of the non-indigenous residents of Grozny left it during the first Chechen war. About 400,000 killed Chechens, I'm talking about the moment of the second campaign!

This news is very much related to what are discussing here. EU starting boycotting Russia gas to give them an economic punch but this move has backfired and now Hungary FM is in Russia for gas supply and peace negotiations. I don't think boycotting Russia gas will have any impact on Russia rather it will add to problems of EU. Hungary gave up the idea of Russia gas ban, let's see when rest of EU join in.

What surprises you? Hungary is the Kremlin's pet dog. And for small handouts, they will bark wherever the Kremlin tells them

[be.open]

Habeck disgraced: Qatar supplies gas to Italy, Germany receives nothing

[pooya87]

The situation in Europe is becoming even more complicated as people's tolerance is decreasing very fast. You wouldn't know it by looking at the censored media since they don't really reflect it and think that the anti-Russian thing is widespread. But the reality is that Europe is suffering a lot and they more they spend for this proxy war the more they will suffer and that leads to more unrest.

This means people will start seeing this proxy war for what it really is (a war between US and Russia at their cost). This Austrian newspaper has some interesting facts about people in Germany:

The strange German love of Russia
The comments section under articles about the war shows that Putin still has a sizeable following in this country after February 24. Rising inflation, the threat of gas bottlenecks and horrendous prices are reducing enthusiasm for Ukraine. It goes so far that many see Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not Putin, as the warmonger, the man who is preventing peace. If the former actor Zelenskyj is described as a puppet in the hands of the real mastermind of the war, US President Joe Biden.

It is more interesting when you know Germany is an occupied and humiliated country that is still paying to remain occupied!
These days their economy is suffering the most while they increased military budget to €100 billion but where did this money that could be used to help the economy go since they are not even allowed to build an actual military?!

This is why many believe despite what the propaganda machine wants us to believe, the European Union, NATO, and all these alliances are getting weaker and may even fall apart if things continue like this.

[amishmanish]

It's a loose of both. Russia has never been more weaker, euro has never been more weaker. They both need each other and they both are fighting.. I don't know how long, maybe there are some wise leaders who can see the bigger picture come up with some solutions

[DrBeer]

Perhaps that is why the deputy of the Ukrainian Rada called for stealing Russian gas from the pipeline in order to survive the coming winter?

I'm sorry - I missed the most important thing!
I'll start with the main thing - you, as always, did not surprise me. Again INTENTIONALLY LIE. Nothing surprising, I understand, the folk tradition of Muscovy
Ouch. Or maybe I'm wrong??? Well, it can also be! Let's compare what you wrote and what REALLY happened.

Your words: "deputy of the Ukrainian Rada called for stealing Russian gas from the pipeline in order to survive the coming winter"
those. you say, ostensibly, the Ukrainian deputy called for violating the law, to appropriate someone else's! Well, for example, Russia steals goods in Ukraine, exported resources, even entire industrial enterprises to itself, from the ILLEGALLY OCCUPED territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions. But we are not Russians, we are cultured people.

That is why, the deputy you mentioned called for something completely different, namely (words from the article you cited): However, as if repeating more than once, we can win the goiter before international partners. But the surplus of Russian gas must be confiscated by law and pumped into our collections. It is a paradoxical situation to emerge - today we are pumping millions of cubic meters of Russian gas and we are not safe with the necessary reserves.

You feel the difference between STEALING and, within the framework of the law, confiscating from a terrorist country and an aggressor that destroys Ukraine, destroys civilians and cities, in the most barbaric and sadistic way.


In a word - your next, habitual attempt to lie and change the essence - expectedly failed

[coupable]

At first glance, what is happening looks like a suicide, but we should not forget that the one who pushed Russia into this situation was the United States hiding under the cover of NATO. The European countries in NATO are the ones who commit suicide, thinking that Russia will not lose the European market, but if Russia will lose half of its revenues from gas and oil due to the loss of the European market, this is better than being under a direct military threat if it leaves Ukraine to join NATO And agree to establish military bases on the border.
Of course, there are alternatives to the European market. This will be costly, but it does not mean that Russia will not get revenues from its energy production without its European customers .

[Sithara007]

It's a loose of both. Russia has never been more weaker, euro has never been more weaker. They both need each other and they both are fighting.. I don't know how long, maybe there are some wise leaders who can see the bigger picture come up with some solutions

Russia is conquering more and more territory and as long as they are winning the war, they won't care. At this point, advances are being reported in northern part of Kharkov and Siversk-Bakhmut-Soledar area in Donbass. Putin believes that the war will be beneficial for Russia in the long term. He maybe planning to annex Russian speaking oblasts of Ukraine (Donbass, Kharkov, Zaporizhia, Kerson, Odessa.etc) and thereby boost the population.

Europe on the other hand is the biggest loser from this war. Industrial units are getting closed down and Euro has lost almost 20% of its value against the USD during the last 12 months. The relation between Russia and Europe (Germany in particular) was a mutually beneficial one. Destruction of this relationship will negatively impact both the sides.