PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[michellee]

On a lighter note - these gamblers are not very rich - here in our country the cock fighting happens in villages. Where poor gamblers get some extra buck from them. But than again these cocks are their assets and they spend so much money on them. But I think it is not good bez it against animal rights.

Because cockfighting is derived from traditional gambling games, it is very popular among small people and they use their pet chickens to gamble and earn money. This is why maybe not many rich people used to play cockfighting. The rich people thought cockfighting was a game for the lower middle class.

But along with public awareness about animal rights, I think gambling with animals has begun to be regulated and reduced by the existence of regulations from the government.

[Smartprofit]

In fact, raising fighting cocks in the Philippines is a small business for Filipino farmers. 

That is, Filipino peasants probably perceive cockfighting not as a game of chance, but as an opportunity to earn money.  For example, during the Klondike gold rush, it was not the miners who made the most profit.  The owners of drinking establishments and sawmills, sellers of flour, meat and eggs received the greatest profit. 

The Philippine government's bans should probably not be seen as gambling bans, but as restrictions on small business in the Philippines.  The breeding of fighting cocks has probably become a very important part of the Philippine poultry industry. 

Filipino farmers face big losses if these bans are enforced.

[stadus]

Filipino farmers face big losses if these bans are enforced.

Are you kidding me, as if raising a breed would help a lot of farmers, besides, they are not farmers, we called them breeders and this does not help to the supply and demand of the people because it's use for cockfighting. I get your point, there are people who loss on the action of the government, but you have to understand that government decides for the benefit of majority, not to a certain group only.

[Smartprofit]

Filipino farmers face big losses if these bans are enforced.

Are you kidding me, as if raising a breed would help a lot of farmers, besides, they are not farmers, we called them breeders and this does not help to the supply and demand of the people because it's use for cockfighting. I get your point, there are people who loss on the action of the government, but you have to understand that government decides for the benefit of majority, not to a certain group only.

As far as I understand, the cost of elite fighting cocks is very high.  This is not a mass, but a piece product.  Therefore, it is very profitable to breed and train such roosters. 

This is a complex moral and ethical issue ... 

Any government should support the desire of households to improve their financial well-being.  At the same time, the government should not allow conflict and chaos due to the addiction of its citizens to gambling. 

The government of the country should also take care of the moral character of its citizens.  Violent and bloody sports should not be encouraged.  Here it is necessary to maintain a balance between the interests of different segments of the population. 

And you correctly noted that the interests of the majority of the country's population are a priority.

[stadus]

Filipino farmers face big losses if these bans are enforced.

Are you kidding me, as if raising a breed would help a lot of farmers, besides, they are not farmers, we called them breeders and this does not help to the supply and demand of the people because it's use for cockfighting. I get your point, there are people who loss on the action of the government, but you have to understand that government decides for the benefit of majority, not to a certain group only.

As far as I understand, the cost of elite fighting cocks is very high.  This is not a mass, but a piece product.  Therefore, it is very profitable to breed and train such roosters. 

This is a complex moral and ethical issue ... 

Any government should support the desire of households to improve their financial well-being.  At the same time, the government should not allow conflict and chaos due to the addiction of its citizens to gambling. 

The government of the country should also take care of the moral character of its citizens.  Violent and bloody sports should not be encouraged.  Here it is necessary to maintain a balance between the interests of different segments of the population. 

And you correctly noted that the interests of the majority of the country's population are a priority.

I understand, but my point is, it's not like it affects the job or the business of the poor and the economy of the country will never be affected if E-Sabong is ban, instead, it will affect the economy if they will continue as poor people keep losing their money and it will worsen the poverty problem.

This kind of game only makes the rich(operator) richer, while the poor (gamblers) poorer.

[Fredomago]

This kind of game only makes the rich(operator) richer, while the poor (gamblers) poorer.

Nothing to oppose but the reality that we will continue to see while this kind of business continues to operate, even the online ban has been implemented, the operation from the actual cockfight still kicking. Many of those who got addicted will find ways to bet and try some luck if they will win or they will continue to lose their money.

Making those operators to continue collecting more money from people who love to use this venue for their gambling satisfactions..

[Smartvirus]

This kind of game only makes the rich(operator) richer, while the poor (gamblers) poorer.

Nothing to oppose but the reality that we will continue to see while this kind of business continues to operate, even the online ban has been implemented, the operation from the actual cockfight still kicking. Many of those who got addicted will find ways to bet and try some luck if they will win or they will continue to lose their money.

Sometimes, we don't have these addicts to blame nor the providers of these services. I mean, dey are already addicted and only a therapy of some sort could be some means to putting a stop on addiction. Hence, a sudden hold or stop on a practice don't seem to add up or wo t work without an alternative to it being put in place. It might work for those who just go ahead with gambling just for the sake of it, seeing it as a thing for the moment but, when your addicted, it's it's whole different story. When you have the cravings to gamble and you see it for a means to save your life or make a huge income, no ban can stop you at that point. Hence, the companies capable of providing such gambling services within a ban locality seems to make even more money.
An alternative should be provided and that would help to ease the ban!

[Naficopa]

Sometimes, we don't have these addicts to blame nor the providers of these services. I mean, dey are already addicted and only a therapy of some sort could be some means to putting a stop on addiction. Hence, a sudden hold or stop on a practice don't seem to add up or wo t work without an alternative to it being put in place. It might work for those who just go ahead with gambling just for the sake of it, seeing it as a thing for the moment but, when your addicted, it's it's whole different story. When you have the cravings to gamble and you see it for a means to save your life or make a huge income, no ban can stop you at that point. Hence, the companies capable of providing such gambling services within a ban locality seems to make even more money.
An alternative should be provided and that would help to ease the ban!

This is an old game and mostly related to domestic stuff. The animal they groom is their whole asset. And they take care of them more their own health - because the cock is the one which brings food to the table. However bans are not going to have much effect on the game.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Any government should support the desire of households to improve their financial well-being.  At the same time, the government should not allow conflict and chaos due to the addiction of its citizens to gambling. 

The government of the country should also take care of the moral character of its citizens.  Violent and bloody sports should not be encouraged.  Here it is necessary to maintain a balance between the interests of different segments of the population. 

Those are good points you brought up, and the role of government and the things it should and shouldn't do is (and always has been) a very complex discussion.

However, one point you didn't bring up is cruelty to animals, which many governments have laws against.  If you ask me, cockfighting is animal abuse, though I'm sure there are a lot of members who'd disagree.  They're just chickens, right?  And I'm by no means a PETA activist, but I consider modern chicken farming to be a form of abuse as well (like packing them together with no room to move, pumping steroids in them such that they gain so much weight that they can't move, etc.). 

But hey, that's just me.  The government of my country doesn't seem to mind how chickens are farmed, although they regulate it.  They do have laws against cockfighting.  Not always consistent with their actions or their philosophy, are they?

[Viscore]

I had no idea that online cockfighting was a thing, but it makes sense.  I'm sure as technologies like cryptocurrency become more widespread and more people become comfortable setting up platforms on the onion routing network, things like this will become more common.  It seems like only a matter of time before some sort of darknet gameshow like something out of a horror film becomes a reality.  I'm sure such a thing probably already exists, but certainly isn't mainstream...yet.

Online cockfighting in the Philippines has become the trend since the pandemic has started and so its easier for the people to gamble even at the expense of their homes, but i don't know yet in other countries if cockfighting are also operated online. However, despite of the current ban, cockfighting is still visible in the Philippines in different coliseums, as it can be hardly ban totally as it has been here already in the ancient stage. So its either people will love it or avoid it, but it won't be easily ban.

[blockman]

This is an old game and mostly related to domestic stuff. The animal they groom is their whole asset. And they take care of them more their own health - because the cock is the one which brings food to the table. However bans are not going to have much effect on the game.

There is livelihood really on this, I have a cousin who once became a breeder and not betting into cockfighting but knows how to groom well and put into condition the rooster that he's about to sell.
It's actually a lucrative business even until now because there go the physical arenas where people are really going just to bet. And in relation of the ban for online cockfighting, there were kidnappings that has happened because they're cheating and putting on the arena with a total weak condition cock.

[crzy]

This is an old game and mostly related to domestic stuff. The animal they groom is their whole asset. And they take care of them more their own health - because the cock is the one which brings food to the table. However bans are not going to have much effect on the game.

There is livelihood really on this, I have a cousin who once became a breeder and not betting into cockfighting but knows how to groom well and put into condition the rooster that he's about to sell.
It's actually a lucrative business even until now because there go the physical arenas where people are really going just to bet. And in relation of the ban for online cockfighting, there were kidnappings that has happened because they're cheating and putting on the arena with a total weak condition cock.

That kidnapping incident is the reason why Online Cockfighting is banned today, they are so greedy and even if killing people will become normal for them just for the sake of profit. Yes, there are a lot of breeders and they can still operate since traditional cock fighting are still legal its just that many already called out about this inhumane activities, the government didn’t say anything about this though.

[boris singer]

....they are losing money while the operators are making a lot of profit on a daily basis.

the biggest operator of E-Sabong in the Philippines are making millions of money in a daily basis, so if we will try to analyze that, that's more than 100 millions pesos of bets going to that platform on a daily basis, and majority of that money are coming from the poor, so we really cannot blame the government of their action to ban it.

I think this is for the best, personally I do not like a government that bans something in an arbitrary manner because this will eventually lead people to do the same but on the black market, however there are activities that indeed deserve to be banned and cockfighting is one of them, it  simply does not sit right with me that two animals are forced to fight just for people to get entertainment out of it, taking into account the many options we have now to entertain ourselves harmlessly I do not see the point of something like this.

Yep even though this is indeed quite normal in gambling and indeed many people think this will not have much impact because there is still a lot of exploitation and hunting of animals on a large scale but still this is a good step because it is not very ethical to see chickens this is in a race without any advantage for them, not even a few have to die because of this sabong fight which makes the government inevitably take risks But I support this and I think their actions are quite appropriate

[Lanatsa]

....they are losing money while the operators are making a lot of profit on a daily basis.

the biggest operator of E-Sabong in the Philippines are making millions of money in a daily basis, so if we will try to analyze that, that's more than 100 millions pesos of bets going to that platform on a daily basis, and majority of that money are coming from the poor, so we really cannot blame the government of their action to ban it.

I think this is for the best, personally I do not like a government that bans something in an arbitrary manner because this will eventually lead people to do the same but on the black market, however there are activities that indeed deserve to be banned and cockfighting is one of them, it  simply does not sit right with me that two animals are forced to fight just for people to get entertainment out of it, taking into account the many options we have now to entertain ourselves harmlessly I do not see the point of something like this.

Yep even though this is indeed quite normal in gambling and indeed many people think this will not have much impact because there is still a lot of exploitation and hunting of animals on a large scale but still this is a good step because it is not very ethical to see chickens this is in a race without any advantage for them, not even a few have to die because of this sabong fight which makes the government inevitably take risks But I support this and I think their actions are quite appropriate

They are only banning those platforms/sites which do operate on illegal manner or simply dont pay tax nor being regulated and they arent banning cockfighting specially on legal places or venues which government could

able to snip out some taxes or revenue.Therefore, this doesnt talk about banning cockfighting itself but only into those illegal related betting sites but pretty much sure this isnt something simple that they could
get rid off with since creating something new and online bettors would surely be finding ways for these places.

[wiss19]

Sometimes, we don't have these addicts to blame nor the providers of these services. I mean, dey are already addicted and only a therapy of some sort could be some means to putting a stop on addiction. Hence, a sudden hold or stop on a practice don't seem to add up or wo t work without an alternative to it being put in place. It might work for those who just go ahead with gambling just for the sake of it, seeing it as a thing for the moment but, when your addicted, it's it's whole different story. When you have the cravings to gamble and you see it for a means to save your life or make a huge income, no ban can stop you at that point. Hence, the companies capable of providing such gambling services within a ban locality seems to make even more money.
An alternative should be provided and that would help to ease the ban!

How do you know that they are already addicted huh? What if they are not and they only became addicted because of this game so therefore it's the fault of the operators or the gambling itself. They are the ones that we will blame but I think there are bettors of this game and still manage to have a normal life, so maybe we can also blame those who get addicted because they don't have a control of their own life but they let the simple game control them.

There are known treatments but there's no guarantee that they will stop permanently (the addicts). Not only sure if what alternative you mean there. Was it games? If it is, then there's many gambling games that are still allowed and can be used an alternative since there's no more cockfighting.

[Smartprofit]

Any government should support the desire of households to improve their financial well-being.  At the same time, the government should not allow conflict and chaos due to the addiction of its citizens to gambling. 

The government of the country should also take care of the moral character of its citizens.  Violent and bloody sports should not be encouraged.  Here it is necessary to maintain a balance between the interests of different segments of the population. 

Those are good points you brought up, and the role of government and the things it should and shouldn't do is (and always has been) a very complex discussion.

However, one point you didn't bring up is cruelty to animals, which many governments have laws against.  If you ask me, cockfighting is animal abuse, though I'm sure there are a lot of members who'd disagree.  They're just chickens, right?  And I'm by no means a PETA activist, but I consider modern chicken farming to be a form of abuse as well (like packing them together with no room to move, pumping steroids in them such that they gain so much weight that they can't move, etc.). 

But hey, that's just me.  The government of my country doesn't seem to mind how chickens are farmed, although they regulate it.  They do have laws against cockfighting.  Not always consistent with their actions or their philosophy, are they?

Yes, of course, cockfighting is a very bloody and brutal sport. 

Roosters are genetically programmed to fight other roosters to protect their chicken harems.  This feature of roosters is used by the organizers of the fights. 

Rooster spurs are a terrible weapon given to them by nature.  The organizers of the fights specially sharpen the spikes or even put metal blades on them, turning the spurs into a terrible murder weapon.  It's very cruel. 

This is another reason for the prohibition laws. 

You can not encourage in people, such a quality as the enjoyment of cruelty.

[Taskford]

Sometimes, we don't have these addicts to blame nor the providers of these services. I mean, dey are already addicted and only a therapy of some sort could be some means to putting a stop on addiction. Hence, a sudden hold or stop on a practice don't seem to add up or wo t work without an alternative to it being put in place. It might work for those who just go ahead with gambling just for the sake of it, seeing it as a thing for the moment but, when your addicted, it's it's whole different story. When you have the cravings to gamble and you see it for a means to save your life or make a huge income, no ban can stop you at that point. Hence, the companies capable of providing such gambling services within a ban locality seems to make even more money.
An alternative should be provided and that would help to ease the ban!

How do you know that they are already addicted huh? What if they are not and they only became addicted because of this game so therefore it's the fault of the operators or the gambling itself. They are the ones that we will blame but I think there are bettors of this game and still manage to have a normal life, so maybe we can also blame those who get addicted because they don't have a control of their own life but they let the simple game control them.

There are known treatments but there's no guarantee that they will stop permanently (the addicts). Not only sure if what alternative you mean there. Was it games? If it is, then there's many gambling games that are still allowed and can be used an alternative since there's no more cockfighting.

It may be not the fault of the operator but the fact that they open this platform for them to get harm themselves and other then they are counted as liable person if sething happen to their gamblers. Addiction in this kind of activities is so serious and we actually see people's life became miserable from this and that's why there operation needed to stop so that those gamblers will stop using their platform on abusive manner. We may have no guarantee that they will stop but at least government lessen the platform where they can gamble.

[bisdak40]

Online cockfighting in the Philippines has become the trend since the pandemic has started and so its easier for the people to gamble even at the expense of their homes, but i don't know yet in other countries if cockfighting are also operated online. However, despite of the current ban, cockfighting is still visible in the Philippines in different coliseums, as it can be hardly ban totally as it has been here already in the ancient stage. So its either people will love it or avoid it, but it won't be easily ban.

It is the online part of cockfighting that was banned mate while cockfighting held in arenas is now given the go signal to resume as the pandemic restrictions in our country eased.

The main reason why online sabong was banned is due to many people getting addicted to it which affects their financial status that resulted in their families being destroyed. Operators did a very good job of making the platform so easy to use that even in the comfort of your home, you can bet but the downside of it is it destroyed some families of their users.

Though online sabong was banned by the government but you can still bet online through illegal platform just like what they did before it was legalized during the pandemic.

[ChiBitCTy]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

[Kelvinid]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

Every country has a different culture, maybe in the Western countries this is animal cruelty but in the Philippines, it's just a tradition for them to enjoy. Actually, the only issue here is the stopping of online cockfighting, animal cruelty was never an issue, and even the government does not see any problem with cockfighting, they just don't want to have it online anymore.