PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[harizen]

Do you think that the reason why it's stopped is because of the unsolved kidnapping case?

If that is the reason, then I think the reason is not too deep that would affect the overall interest of the people, I mean if it does not destroy life, then it should not be banned, but I suspect that the government are seeing it as one of the reasons they poor struggles more financially.

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

[Distinctin]

The fact that these operators of E-Sabong been have some deep connections are already given as they are continually operating on a daily basis in other platform even though there's a ban implemented. They knew the risk but they not afraid because they are paying high officials in any sort of department to give them protection and feed them information, the money for protection is not that big compared to the money they are getting from the bettors in a daily basis.

Though there are no proven information about that, we all knew that it do exist those protectors are wide and they can feed every possible raid that the government may attempt, the money that surrounds this business are huge enough to bring those operators to continue this business, they can spend money to allure greed government officials and those who are in PNP, high rankings police officials that can monitor the actions that might be done against them.

We don't have to know because that information comes with names of these high ranking officials of any department including the National Police department, all we know that these sort of protections exists and we have seen plenty news about this and note these news are not speculations but it's already proven that there are protectors. Of course the E-Sabong have some of it, though it's not proven yet but we know that there will be someone who protects them with high ranks.

For a corrupted country then it would be possible thats why there are some activities or events which cant really totally get rid off or hadnt able to be caught because there are ones who do protect these fellas

thats why it do continue to operate despite of the bans and prohibitions because there are ones who are sitting on the top who are letting this activities to continue and make benefit from it.

This is why its not surprising that how much they do try to get rid or resolve things up which is impossible but this is only possible into some countries but not all.

Yep, most of the countries in this world are experiencing the same problem which is corruption because no matter how hard the head of the nation or state tries to dissolve these illegal activities. There will be always a protector that's why these operators aren't afraid to continue their illegal activities.

This problem is common nowadays, and honestly, even the strictest government cannot do much about it.

[Boristhecat]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

[Peanutswar]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

[blockman]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

[ultrloa]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

[goinmerry]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime.

Lots of reasons to mention:

- Fixed-game
- Big fish agent
- Debts as agents can replenish the balance of users without paying first
- Breaking the agreement etc.

You are wrong in the last statement that legal gambling has nothing to do with the crime. IF you want to dig more, you can refer to the Senate investigation here regarding the missing case of those people involved in online cockfights.

[TopT3ns]

I think when many cryptocurrency or other gambling-based places are blocked by the government, there may be a reason that finally makes the government intervene, usually the government also wants to get results from gambling so maybe they can get some commissions every month to become the launch of the gambling company that is being opened so maybe a gambling place could consider that method.

[goldkingcoiner]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

3 billions  pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

[ultrloa]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

3 billions  pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

Hard to say that government put the money on their pocket out of the taxes gotten from that business model since so far as I see in PH they already have decent government there so I think they just decide to make that continue to operate because they can also get money from it. But guess this E-sabong will not be back anymore because there are so many testimonies about lives has been destroy and I believe government is already done with it and already have decision about stopping it.

[Distinctin]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

[dothebeats]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations. Personally I don't get why the government of the Philippines don't legalize most gambling activities in the country. It'll easily generate lots of taxes which, in turn, can pay for a lot of projects that the gov't has.

Then again you also have lots of department heads that do nothing but rape the gov't of its budget, so ultimately them banning e-Sabong operations didn't really change much.

[Japinat]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations. Personally I don't get why the government of the Philippines don't legalize most gambling activities in the country. It'll easily generate lots of taxes which, in turn, can pay for a lot of projects that the gov't has.

Then again you also have lots of department heads that do nothing but rape the gov't of its budget, so ultimately them banning e-Sabong operations didn't really change much.

That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.

[samcrypto]

That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.

This is their basis for now and there's also a possibility that this legal issues are purely based on their personal agenda so we don't really know because our government is very dirty and seriously, a lot of under the table deals are happening off cam. Well, its good that its banned already but we can still expect more gamblers to go for the black market where they can still bet and gamble. Let's just see the action of the new administration because most probably, they will inherit this issues and they have to solve this for the benefit of everyone.

[madnessteat]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

We will never know why the government took such a step now, but I think they just did not agree, as is often the case between business and government.

In fact, I don't think E-Sabong was banned because of animal cruelty or concern for the poorer segments of the population who prefer this type of entertainment. I think the real reason goes much deeper than that.

[Questat]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

We will never know why the government took such a step now, but I think they just did not agree, as is often the case between business and government.

In fact, I don't think E-Sabong was banned because of animal cruelty or concern for the poorer segments of the population who prefer this type of entertainment. I think the real reason goes much deeper than that.

Only the government knows the real reason, they have approved the license then they stopped it, there is a big reason for that and we have to understand that because it's already final. We can still enjoy cock fighting, but it will not happen anymore online.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.

Nope. they arent banning cockfighting but only banning or blocking into those illegal online betting sites or platforms because it could really be having two
possible reasons.

1. They cant able to tax
2. They are minding about their citizens too much addiction.

This is a good government stance towards the situation but dont expect about 100% precision or totally solving out such problem.

Cock fighting is a big thing here in the Philippines because this is the only gambling platform that people can play whenever they want to play.   And cock fighting is the most or famous gambling fight during festival in different barangay or even in town. The government can not have a tax if this illegal gambling will continue and that's the reason why the government pushing to banned this kind of game in the country,.

This is old tradition which been past decades to decades so its really hard for government to stop this since there are so many people gamble this illegally. And this sabong just brought online by a billionaire tycoon in Philippines and try to legalize it, first government look at it as other source of income since economy has been crumpled by covid-19 but since there are studies that this brought negative things to certain individuals then they stop this and this is we can say a good action they take because if they let it operate for much longer years and ignore the risk already shown for sure there will be more lives will be destroyed.

For me, cockfighting is something primitive, it is something that I do not see either good or bad, of course what happens is that there are currently many animal protection laws, and honestly some people consider it very violent acts to put hedges little animals to fight, to be honest in my house I have 1 rooster and 1 hen, the hen has 10 eggs, I don't know if it will have 10 chickens, but I am not capable of killing those animals, it's silly but I I have taken a lot of affection, and I think it is normal, the rooster also lives with cats and when I feed the cats the rooster will eat too, in addition the rooster allows himself to be touched, he likes to be hugged and caressed, he would not be able to watching a cockfight because it would give me a lot of pain, although it is a tradition in the Philippines I respect that but I don't share it.

[Shamm]

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They are want to protect animal laws which they said that cock fighting is abusing the animal care cause they put something deadly weapon on the leg of the rooster and start to fight ,and yes every round there's 90 % chance that one rooster will died . but some cockfighting gambler said that when the hen lay eggs almost 15 and when they lay 1 egg they have a chance to have rooster or another hen. And other hen lay total of 15 and the outcome is 5 rooster and 10 hen which good have a 5 cock fighter so they feel that that's not a animal abuse.

[Fredomago]

That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.

This is their basis for now and there's also a possibility that this legal issues are purely based on their personal agenda so we don't really know because our government is very dirty and seriously, a lot of under the table deals are happening off cam. Well, its good that its banned already but we can still expect more gamblers to go for the black market where they can still bet and gamble. Let's just see the action of the new administration because most probably, they will inherit this issues and they have to solve this for the benefit of everyone.

Not part but the main trigger point on why the outgoing president decides to ban this E-Sabong, with those people who still missing and with the rumor participations of high ranking PNP officials, even those huge millions that the government is earning from the taxes the government still decided to close it and not to allow the facilitations of this gambling online.

My personal take is that the President see this as an alternate way from those PNP officials instead of involving their names to drugs which is very hot if they can take a good cut from those E-Sabong owners so why not take the money and stay clean away from drug-related cases.

[stadus]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.